ICE agent fatally shoots protester in Minneapolis: Self-defense or police brutality?

Within the realm of possibility . . .



Possible yes, but I wonder if it is even necessary at this point? It looks like we are seeing the pendulum swing to the right and Israel-ification of USA that many on this forum predicted 2+ years ago. The incidents look more cosmically planned than they do human planned, in an "all is lessons" sense.

The first Minnesota incident was a bit ambiguous, and although I strongly sided against the agent, I can see now the other perspective. This recent incident seems more clear cut, to the point where a huge number of MAGA voices, in order to maintain their stance, are being forced to blatantly lie that the man was pointing a gun.

I could understand if their stance was simply that mistakes happen, this is going to be a messy business but it's worth it in the end to get the illegals out. Instead of saying this, they appear to be making things up, and it's concerning. Many of these are people who saw through the green agenda, the covid scam, and much more. Things may truly be about to get stranger than we can imagine.
 
And then we have this:

Schumer Announces Senate Democrats Will Block DHS Funding Bill Over Minneapolis Shooting
In a move that could trigger a partial government shutdown, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer declared that Democrats will not provide the votes needed to advance a key appropriations bill if it includes funding for the Department of Homeland Security.

To advance the legislation, Republicans will likely need eight Democrats to vote for the legislation, since Sen. Rand Paul has generally voted against appropriations bills. If the funding package does not pass the Senate, there will be another partial government shutdown.

This article has this ending note:
Pretti had confronted agents in the midst of an operation with a loaded gun and two magazines.

Never mind the loaded gun and two magazines were on his person and not whipped out to threaten agents and his only "confrontation" was to try and defend fellow female protestors being aggressively abused by ICE.
 
Family of Alex Pretti, the Armed Man Shot by Federal Agents in Minneapolis, Calls Trump Admins Claims About His Actions Sickening and Reprehensible

In their statement to CNN, posted on X by Brian Stelter, the Pretti family wrote:

“We are heartbroken but also very angry.

Alex was a kindhearted soul who cared deeply for his family and friends and also the American veterans whom he cared for as an ICU nurse at the Minneapolis VA hospital. Alex wanted to make a difference in this world. Unfortunately he will not be with us to see his impact. I do not throw around the hero term lightly. However his last thought and act was to protect a woman.

The sickening lies told about our son by the administration are reprehensible and disgusting. Alex is clearly not holding a gun when attacked by Trump’s murdering and cowardly ICE thugs. He has his phone in his right hand and his empty left hand is raised above his head while trying to protect the woman ICE just pushed down all while being pepper sprayed.

Please get the truth out about our son. He was a good man. Thank you.”

The BS narrative:
Border Patrol Chief Greg Bovino has said that Pretti was at the scene with the intention of massacring ICE agents.

“The suspect also had two loaded magazines and no accessible ID. This looks like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement,” Bovino said.

Disgusting, shameless, and unhinged. If this is the mindset of the ICE agents, then is it any surprise they have no problem shooting someone nine times! :curse:
 
All of the above will result in chaotic encounters that often end badly (there are still more things below that contribute to this). In fact, this year alone there have been 50 cases of windows broken by officers who often use a kind of pickaxe suitable for this task. This makes me think that at a level Within ICE, there is a general spirit that encourages aggressiveness and inflexibility toward migrants, and at the same time, there is a lack of critical scrutiny of agent actions. These agents often seem to operate constantly on the edge of the law, and professionalism tends to be diluted with such an approach.

The memorandum amendment itself is quite ambiguous (when it shouldn't be, since its supposed objective was to limit the use of force given the various fatal incidents that had been occurring). The 2023 ICE memorandum established a policy that agents should "use force only when no reasonably effective, safe, and feasible alternative appears to exist."

Have no idea what their hiring practices are, however, as you said, it probably attracts ("encourages') a certain mindset - with some honorable and patriotic that do not like what they see, and some of a different nature all together (see below quote).

On the memorandum, that is reasonable for any agency where force might be employed. It also gets employed less and less and the reasons may be so different (was reminded that in WWI vs. WWII, solders did not go for kill shots each time, they purposely missed and the percentage of not missing climbed incrementally, so by the time Vietnam and later Iraq came around, killing shots became second nature). Perhaps the reason now that it is all enhanced, is the generational rise of video game screen killing (or from HARRP), or the types of movies' or by men (largely) who have hormonal chemistry and their mental balance out of synch - a long list of possibilities.


@SOTTREADER, without you adding to your post, nothing needed be said other than it was a bloody horrible needless ending.


Nov 2025:
Q: (Niall) What's the percentage of psychopaths in the USA? [We last asked in 2010 and the answer was 23%]

A: 24

Q: (L)So it's not gone up that much.

(Niall) No. The population has exploded, though.

(L) But the population has exploded, yeah. That's a lot!

(Niall) That's a lot. In the US, that's a hundred million psychopaths.

(L) Yeah.

(Niall) Well, we're not sure what "psychopath" is to the Cs, though.

And it is the exploding population fueled by migration (manufactured as it is), where even if a small percentage of crazies come in, and they have, doing horrible things (no one can deny the raping of woman and children, the woman in the subway - the overall entropy of the situation), you just can't hid this. One side wants it hidden - saying just go away, there is nothing to see here, while their society crumples around them. The other side wants them out. When protests happen in this context, it will get worse until both sides back off and get a handle on it, although that is not likely to happen anytime soon.

The quote above is chilling, considering that each one can pull in followers; left or right. This is very bad sign.

Of the cops taking the guy down and then out, if people think in this heightened time that they are going to shout and scream at authoritarians with guns, while citing their own rights (1st and 2nd worth defending in many eyes), again, conflict of this type is going to keep increasing (while defending) the resolves of each side.

In the scrum with Alex, there will always be an authoritarian who thinks its fine to fire (5 x boom rapid shots) to a guy already down - what type of a human does that (this is beyond the fright/flight stage)?

People have said 'they' in reference to the murder of Alex Pretti, yet of all the ICE in that situation, they did not each appear to have murder on their minds or to even have drawn their weapons - yet the one guy appeared to do just that, by his actions (obviously just opinion).
 
I wonder if that shot fired by the officer that disarmed Pretti was actually accidental, or whether they just wanted to be able to show that Pretti's weapon had been fired to back up the story of the officers acting in defence?
If it was accidental then he just cost someone his life. If not accidental, same. Either way, no excuses. Nothing will happen though as the guy that died belongs to the wrong team.

I have to say witnessing a public execution isn't great. Very sickening.
 
One little data point from a Joe Rogan episode showed up on X:


"This woman came on my podcast, names Mel K... This gay pride stuff is going away, and the next thing you are gonna see are immigration riots."

The speaker somehow manages to tie it to the Chinese, lol. We know that in the real world it most likely means the western intelligence orgs themselves.

The guy talking is Sam Tripoli. Looks like he's hosted a conspiracy podcast for some years. Found the episode in question below. I haven't watched it:


Anyway this is hardly a "busted wide open" since we all know generally who funds any big protests, but it's interesting to hear it said quite precisely before all the ICE expansion, and before Trump came back, when it looked like he was finished.
 
This picture really cuts deep into me, I know we're watching our end performance in this realm and there's likely more to come but still this image and those of the genocide in Gaza leave their mark on me. I'm a purple heart marine that was evacuated to the USS sanctuary ship off the coast of Vietnam to have my wounds attended to. I was then flown to a hospital in Guam and then to the great lakes navel hospital in Chicago where I continued my recovery. Maybe that's partially the reason why, after reading Alex was a ICU nurse for veterans, I'm beyond just a little repulsed by this image of him trying to right himself just before his end.
Gregory Bonvino, recently has made statements that Alex was in the street for the sole purpose to massacre border patrol agents as he was armed with a gun with full magazines thus a lethal threat. My interpretation of Bonvino and Christy Noam statements suggests to me that the 2nd amendment in the US has now been twisted and morphed into, if you're exercising your constitutional rights within the vicinity of a law enforcement officer your now considered a lethal threat thus a boot of an authoritarian takes precedence over that sorely fought for right. Sad for the choice that Alex made.

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I wonder on a higher level if all that has been focused on Minneapolis and Minnesota, George Floyd and now all the fraud, corruption, ICE controversy, killings, has anything to do with the 'mysterious Nordic covenant' business the C's brought up many years ago? Waltz could have been Vice President and now it is all going down in terms of conflict and chaos involving many major topics, narratives, and controversies in the US that have been building for some time mostly having to do with his state...

3 Dec 1994 said:
Q: (V) I would like to know the source of the tension between my mother and myself?

A: Maternal influences. Psychological anxiety. Mother daughter rivalry for male attention. Enough personal dilly dallys. Long message to follow. Pause: Ukraine explosion; chemical or nuclear. Hawaii crash; aviation, possibly involving military. More California seismic activity after 1st of year: San Diego, San Bernardino, North Bakersfield, Barstow: all are fracture points. Hollister, Palo Alto, Imperial, Ukiah, Eureka, Point Mendocino, Monterrey, Offshore San Luis Obispo, Capistrano, Carmel: these are all stress points of fracture in sequence. "Time" is indefinite. Expect gradual destruction of California economy as people begin mass exodus. Also, Shasta erupts; Lassen activity. Ocean floor begins to subside. Leave channel open and pause: Queen Elizabeth serious illness; blood related. Princess Diana suicide attempt. Gas explosions this winter in NE United States, Texas and other. Supernova and unusual weather all over. Memphis feels tremors. Minneapolis banking scandal relates to mysterious Nordic covenant. Evangelical sexual tryst exposed. Gold is discovered in California after one of the quakes. UFOs dramatic increase and Gulf Breeze gets swarmed, becomes massive "Mecca". Laura sees much more UFO activity. Huge wave of UFO activity. All manner and origins. Just you wait, it will give you chills and that feeling in the pit of your stomach. Many aliens will appear and we will be visible too. Think of it as a convention. All must awaken to this. It is happening right now. The whole populace will play individual roles according to their individual frequencies. This is only the beginning. Just you wait "Henry Higgins," just you wait!

23 March 1996 said:
Q: (L) Number one, SV has lied to us. Number two, it seems that she began to demonstrate emotional affect only after we had discussed the fact that there was a serious lack of emotional affect, after you had told us that these robot people are people who spend a lot of time alone and have...

A: The price, my dear, continues... {Referring to previous answer: “nothing of value comes without a price!!”}

Q: (V) By continuing the relationship?

A: The Nordic Covenant was a duality.

Q: (L) SV comes from that area where that Nordic covenant, what is it, Minnesota, she's from Minnesota? Oh, I never made that connection! Holy Frijoles! 'Nordic Covenant was a duality' ... so, when you made mention of the Nordic Covenant, and the banking scandal, was that a double-layered statement to us?

A: Maybe, but you are missing the point! All persons of Nordic heritage hold secret power centers, can be of darkness, or of light... SV is of Teutonic bloodline leading directly to such super power source such as Thule Society and others, and she is aware of her powers and mission. It is of positive orientation. However, you are being tested by 4th through 6th density forces to determine if you have the strength and wisdom for continuance!

Q: (L) The whole thing just doesn't make sense... I mean, with that nasty red aura she has...

A: Red aura needs much further study on your part. Your sources for such information could be deceiving you.
 
So just to clarify; Pretti's gun was in his holster already locked and loaded with the safety off, ready to go?
It has been alleged the pistil was a Sig P320 which has been discredited with having issues with unintentional discharge. It is well known in the US. Law enforcement had been using the gun but have since ceased. Seems fairly unlikely anyone would have a loaded pistol, safety off in their holster if it has issues. Of course, at this stage we only have the DHS word for it that the pistol in the agents' hand indeed did come from Alex Pretti.
 
I saw that before going to bed, in reality there would not have been an accidental shot by the agent who took the gun from Pretti, the first shot was dented before the supposed frames in which the gun was pointed at the ground and fired, if the gun had been fired accidentally, the agent would have reacted in a certain way, there is also no smoke, recoil of the gun, of the agent's arm or hand despite carrying the gun with only one hand.

On the other hand, you can see the recoil of the other agent's elbow perfectly synchronized with the first shot fired.


P.s: Actually, he would have had his phone in one of his hands to try to record, perhaps because one of the guards, different from the one who took the weapon, took it from him before the first shot of one of the two magazines.
I'm inclined to agree. Having watched the video on SOTTREADERs post I'm not convinced that there was an accidental shot. The piece of clothing that moves could just as likely been nudged by the agents boot as he walks past or over it.

Footage from another angle (Pink Lady I think) shows the shooter discharging his pistol into Alex Prettis back with the first shot sounding at that time of recoil.

Another odd thing is, the pistol that is displayed as being the one that is alleged to have been taken from Alex Pretti has a crooked barrel. It bends upwards. I'm not familiar enough with that type of gun but I would have expected that barrels remain straight even with the slide back. Another source has suggested that the gun displayed is not Alex Prettis. It is a fake photo, it has been alleged. Will try and confirm this.

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This picture really cuts deep into me, I know we're watching our end performance in this realm and there's likely more to come but still this image and those of the genocide in Gaza leave their mark on me. I'm a purple heart marine that was evacuated to the USS sanctuary ship off the coast of Vietnam to have my wounds attended to. I was then flown to a hospital in Guam and then to the great lakes navel hospital in Chicago where I continued my recovery. Maybe that's partially the reason why, after reading Alex was a ICU nurse for veterans, I'm beyond just a little repulsed by this image of him trying to right himself just before his end.
Gregory Bonvino, recently has made statements that Alex was in the street for the sole purpose to massacre border patrol agents as he was armed with a gun with full magazines thus a lethal threat. My interpretation of Bonvino and Christy Noam statements suggests to me that the 2nd amendment in the US has now been twisted and morphed into, if you're exercising your constitutional rights within the vicinity of a law enforcement officer your now considered a lethal threat thus a boot of an authoritarian takes precedence over that sorely fought for right. Sad for the choice that Alex made.

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The image is fake anyway, there are several things that give it away, but one of the agents has no head.
 
Another odd thing is, the pistol that is displayed as being the one that is alleged to have been taken from Alex Pretti has a crooked barrel. It bends upwards. I'm not familiar enough with that type of gun but I would have expected that barrels remain straight even with the slide back. Another source has suggested that the gun displayed is not Alex Prettis. It is a fake photo, it has been alleged. Will try and confirm this.
That appearance is normal. The barrel tilts when the slide is locked back as part of the Browning-style locking system. The barrel isn’t bent, it’s simply in its unlocked position. My Glock 17 looks the same way with the slide back.
 
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