Thor
Jedi Council Member
I decided to start a new thread on improved delivery method of liposomal nutrients. As it’s not DYI it doesn’t really fit in this thread. Moderators, feel free to move this post to a more relevant thread.
Having ordered a HBOT chamber and getting ready for the protocol I needed some vitamin C and have been discussing the topic in the DIY Liposomal Nutrients thread.
I did some Google research and came across a company called LipoCellTech, that has developed a new and (they claim) improved method of delivering liposomal nutrients to the cells.
Today I had a meeting with their international sales director and to my enthusiast layman’s ear it sounded very promising. I asked him to send me an email with the main points of our talk as there was a lot of information. Below, I’ve copied what he sent me.
Here’s some of the points I remember – refer to Jaap van der Meer’s email for a more thorough description.
The company has a number of other liposomal supplements:
It would be great if some of the more medically knowledgeable members could evaluate whether this makes sense. It sounds very plausible but all that glitters is not gold
. He has a section in the email about all the other products that are not as good which is a bit too much for me but then again, he is a sales guy.
Mail from LipoCellTech (many of the points are summarized in the attached file "Powdered Liposomal vitamins and minerals"):
Dear Thor,
Thank you for taking the time to have our meeting. Here is the information we discussed in the meeting. There are two types of liposomal products on the market at the moment, one is the liquid form the other one the powder form. They increase the absorption of the supplement tremendously and are becoming more and more popular. There are some minus points though on the different products which I will list out here below.
Liquid form
The minus points of the liquid form are:
It is produced with heat and/or pressure which can damage the vitamin C
To stabilize the liposomes alcohol is added or another preservative which makes the product less pure.
The shelf life is very short and once the bottle is opened you have to put it in the fridge and after 6 weeks you can throw it away.
The taste is bad.
It is often flavoured which makes the products less pure and you risk that flavour chemicals wind up in the liposome which will carry it into the cell.
Percentages of liposomes in the product can vary a lot. It can be as low as 10% or 0%.
Powder form
The minus points of the powder form are:
It is produced with heat and/or pressure which can damage the vitamin C.
It is then spray dried or freeze dried into a powder form and then you are not sure it the liposomes are still in tact
Percentages of liposomes in the product can vary a lot. It can be as low as 10% or 0%.
Our product
Our product is produced in a different way than other liposomal products.
The production process is based on new scientific discoveries.
It is not produced with heat or pressure.
We don't need to add chemicals to stabilise the liposomes.
The shelf life is long.
It doesn't need to be refrigerated.
It is not flavoured. The taste is neutral
We don't spray dry and we don't freeze dry.
It is a true liposomal form, not a mix of phospholipids and a supplement.
More than 90 % liposomes in the products
This gives a very stable, pure and effective product
Prices can differ a lot because of the quality. If only 10% of the liposomes are left you usually have a very cheap product. But there is another reason for low prices.
Fake products
There are cheap products on the market but they are fake or of a very low quality.
One is the "Your Zooki" brand.
https://yourzooki.com/
https://www.asa.org.uk/rulings/yourzooki-ltd-a20-1083951-yourzooki-ltd.html
They got a court case because their product doesn't contain liposomes.
Another one is Dr. Mercola liposomal products
https://www.thehealthcloud.co.uk/is-mercola-liposomal-vitamin-c-fake/
This brand simply mixes phosphilips with a supplement, then they spray dry and call it liposomal while it has no liposomes in the material.
It acts the same as normal vitamin C.
Also european brands produce mixes instead of true liposomes. Another one is ascorbyl oleate and palmitate. These products are usually sold via Amazon. I added a document to this mail which explains why they are fake.
Another one is Lipo C
https://www.facebook.com/lipoc.my/?ref=page_internal
This product doesn't contain any liposomes and is fake too.
Here is Lipo C Askor, the company in the Czech Republic I was talking about.
LipoC Askor Forte contains RosaCelip-LD
LIPO C ASKOR FORTE
The ingredient list.says:
1 capsule contains 520 mg RosaCelip-LD®, of which 500 mg vitamin C (625% DDD),
10 mg citrus bioflavonoids, 10 mg rose hip extract.
So you can see there are no phospholipids in the product so it is not liposomal.
The company inPHARM.cz is selling it.
Aktuality :: Edukafarm.cz is connected with them.
I also added the product information of lipofer where you can see it is an emulsion.
The only way to make sure you have a true liposome is to make a picture with an electronic microscope. I added a picture of our liposomal multi. Plus an encapsulation efficiency test. This test is vital for knowing the amount of liposomes in a product. You will find that many liposomal products have a low percentage in the product sometimes only 10 % sometimes even 0%. You can ask any supplier of liposomal products what is the percentage of liposomes in their product and how they test this. Our product has 90% of products encapsulated in liposomes which is very high. This quality point is very important for your promotion.
I added two studies which show bioavailability, D3 and B12. We will have new studies this year for curucumin, iron, magnesium and Glutathion. The liposomal form of curcumin will give a dramatic increase in bioavailability. Same for Glutathion.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20535554/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6389332/
I also want to share some additional marketing information on Glutathione. And then specifically the link between Glutathion and covid. There are many articles about it on the internet and a reason why the glutathione interest has increased. It might not be possible to share this information on your site but I am sure people also will find out in your country when they are googling.
Here are some articles.
COVID-19 patients have increased oxidative stress, oxidant damage, and glutathione deficiency
The Role of Glutathione in Protecting against the Severe Inflammatory Response Triggered by COVID-19
Boost Immune System With Glutathione To Combat Covid-19
StackPath
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213007120301350
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsinfecdis.0c00288
It is a well known fact that Glutathion breaks down in the stomach into amino acids and doesn't arrive in the blood so it is useless to use the non liposomal form. Because direct supplementation of glutathione is not successful, supply of the raw nutritional materials used to generate GSH, such as cysteine and glycine, may be more effective at increasing glutathione levels. However a liposomal form is much more effective where the Glutathion molecule gets protected by the double layer of phospholipids and gets safely transported in the blood and the cell. On slide 15 of the attached powerpoint you will find the results of scientific research: a 100% increase in PBMCs. PBMC stands for peripheral blood mononuclear cells. PBMCs are a variety of specialized immune cells that work together to protect our bodies from harmful pathogens. Their location in peripheral blood is significant because they act as a line of defense from infection and disease.
The fact that liposomal C will have a much better bioavailability than intravenous see you can find in chapter 5 of the book https://www.amazon.nl/Curing-Incurable-Vitamin-Infectious-Diseases-ebook/dp/B016NH1NPE.
In this case we are talking about the absorption in the cells not only in the blood. Usually companies promote that their product will be absorbed in the blood and that it will therefore have a better effect. But the product can be removed from the blood by the kidneys and the liver so it will have little change to be absorbed in the cells. The liposomal form will easily merge with a cell so that guarantees the result a supplement should have.
"A much smaller oral dose of liposome encapsulated vitamin C ( 5 to 10 grams) often results in a clearly superior clinical response than a much larger dose of vitamin C given intravenously ( 25 to 100 grams)."
Chapter 5 page 442, Summary.
On our updated site you can find most of our products and scientific data (LipoCellTech™ – The future of vitamins)
Other products which are not mentioned on the website are: resveratrol, a sleep formula with melatonin and Gaba and Quercetin.
The book curing the incurable will give more information about how much C one can administer and what would be too much.
Here is the site of our brand Vitamunda where you can order finished products: Liposomal products | Vitamunda
I added a document to the mail which give information about the absorption of liposomes via the intestines, the enterocytes.
If you have any questions please let me know.
Having ordered a HBOT chamber and getting ready for the protocol I needed some vitamin C and have been discussing the topic in the DIY Liposomal Nutrients thread.
I did some Google research and came across a company called LipoCellTech, that has developed a new and (they claim) improved method of delivering liposomal nutrients to the cells.
Today I had a meeting with their international sales director and to my enthusiast layman’s ear it sounded very promising. I asked him to send me an email with the main points of our talk as there was a lot of information. Below, I’ve copied what he sent me.
Here’s some of the points I remember – refer to Jaap van der Meer’s email for a more thorough description.
- The product has 90% vitamin C content which is very high compared to liquid and powdered alternatives.
- The liposomal delivery mechanism happens when you coat a (vitamin C) molecule in a double layer of liposomes. The cells also have a double liposomal layer and when a liposomal nutrient meets the cell it is absorbed by it. It’s not as if something is carried into the cell through a portal or that the molecule has the correct size. As the “walls” (my explanation) of the cell and the liposome covered molecule are made up of the same material, they join and all the vitamin C is now inside the cell.
- The product actually isn’t liposomal to begin with but it’s coated with a substance that becomes liposomal as soon as it enters the intestines. Liposome are absorbed in the intestines through enterocytes so preventing the liposomes from degrading in the stomach increases the bioavailability.
- Most companies that provide lab-results talk about blood concentration but the concentration in the blood is not the same as how much gets transported into the cell as the liver may filter a lot of the content before it reaches the cell.
The company has a number of other liposomal supplements:
- B-complex
- Vitamin C
- Vitamin D3 K2 Magnesium
- Multi
- Vegan Omega 3
- Magnesium
- Gluthatione
- Curcumin
- Hyaluronic Acid with vitamin C
- MSM + Boswelia
- Vitamin B12
- R-Alpha Lipoic Acid
It would be great if some of the more medically knowledgeable members could evaluate whether this makes sense. It sounds very plausible but all that glitters is not gold
. He has a section in the email about all the other products that are not as good which is a bit too much for me but then again, he is a sales guy.Mail from LipoCellTech (many of the points are summarized in the attached file "Powdered Liposomal vitamins and minerals"):
Dear Thor,
Thank you for taking the time to have our meeting. Here is the information we discussed in the meeting. There are two types of liposomal products on the market at the moment, one is the liquid form the other one the powder form. They increase the absorption of the supplement tremendously and are becoming more and more popular. There are some minus points though on the different products which I will list out here below.
Liquid form
The minus points of the liquid form are:
It is produced with heat and/or pressure which can damage the vitamin C
To stabilize the liposomes alcohol is added or another preservative which makes the product less pure.
The shelf life is very short and once the bottle is opened you have to put it in the fridge and after 6 weeks you can throw it away.
The taste is bad.
It is often flavoured which makes the products less pure and you risk that flavour chemicals wind up in the liposome which will carry it into the cell.
Percentages of liposomes in the product can vary a lot. It can be as low as 10% or 0%.
Powder form
The minus points of the powder form are:
It is produced with heat and/or pressure which can damage the vitamin C.
It is then spray dried or freeze dried into a powder form and then you are not sure it the liposomes are still in tact
Percentages of liposomes in the product can vary a lot. It can be as low as 10% or 0%.
Our product
Our product is produced in a different way than other liposomal products.
The production process is based on new scientific discoveries.
It is not produced with heat or pressure.
We don't need to add chemicals to stabilise the liposomes.
The shelf life is long.
It doesn't need to be refrigerated.
It is not flavoured. The taste is neutral
We don't spray dry and we don't freeze dry.
It is a true liposomal form, not a mix of phospholipids and a supplement.
More than 90 % liposomes in the products
This gives a very stable, pure and effective product
Prices can differ a lot because of the quality. If only 10% of the liposomes are left you usually have a very cheap product. But there is another reason for low prices.
Fake products
There are cheap products on the market but they are fake or of a very low quality.
One is the "Your Zooki" brand.
https://yourzooki.com/
https://www.asa.org.uk/rulings/yourzooki-ltd-a20-1083951-yourzooki-ltd.html
They got a court case because their product doesn't contain liposomes.
Another one is Dr. Mercola liposomal products
https://www.thehealthcloud.co.uk/is-mercola-liposomal-vitamin-c-fake/
This brand simply mixes phosphilips with a supplement, then they spray dry and call it liposomal while it has no liposomes in the material.
It acts the same as normal vitamin C.
Also european brands produce mixes instead of true liposomes. Another one is ascorbyl oleate and palmitate. These products are usually sold via Amazon. I added a document to this mail which explains why they are fake.
Another one is Lipo C
https://www.facebook.com/lipoc.my/?ref=page_internal
This product doesn't contain any liposomes and is fake too.
Here is Lipo C Askor, the company in the Czech Republic I was talking about.
LipoC Askor Forte contains RosaCelip-LD
LIPO C ASKOR FORTE
The ingredient list.says:
1 capsule contains 520 mg RosaCelip-LD®, of which 500 mg vitamin C (625% DDD),
10 mg citrus bioflavonoids, 10 mg rose hip extract.
So you can see there are no phospholipids in the product so it is not liposomal.
The company inPHARM.cz is selling it.
Aktuality :: Edukafarm.cz is connected with them.
I also added the product information of lipofer where you can see it is an emulsion.
The only way to make sure you have a true liposome is to make a picture with an electronic microscope. I added a picture of our liposomal multi. Plus an encapsulation efficiency test. This test is vital for knowing the amount of liposomes in a product. You will find that many liposomal products have a low percentage in the product sometimes only 10 % sometimes even 0%. You can ask any supplier of liposomal products what is the percentage of liposomes in their product and how they test this. Our product has 90% of products encapsulated in liposomes which is very high. This quality point is very important for your promotion.
I added two studies which show bioavailability, D3 and B12. We will have new studies this year for curucumin, iron, magnesium and Glutathion. The liposomal form of curcumin will give a dramatic increase in bioavailability. Same for Glutathion.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20535554/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6389332/
I also want to share some additional marketing information on Glutathione. And then specifically the link between Glutathion and covid. There are many articles about it on the internet and a reason why the glutathione interest has increased. It might not be possible to share this information on your site but I am sure people also will find out in your country when they are googling.
Here are some articles.
COVID-19 patients have increased oxidative stress, oxidant damage, and glutathione deficiency
The Role of Glutathione in Protecting against the Severe Inflammatory Response Triggered by COVID-19
Boost Immune System With Glutathione To Combat Covid-19
StackPath
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213007120301350
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsinfecdis.0c00288
It is a well known fact that Glutathion breaks down in the stomach into amino acids and doesn't arrive in the blood so it is useless to use the non liposomal form. Because direct supplementation of glutathione is not successful, supply of the raw nutritional materials used to generate GSH, such as cysteine and glycine, may be more effective at increasing glutathione levels. However a liposomal form is much more effective where the Glutathion molecule gets protected by the double layer of phospholipids and gets safely transported in the blood and the cell. On slide 15 of the attached powerpoint you will find the results of scientific research: a 100% increase in PBMCs. PBMC stands for peripheral blood mononuclear cells. PBMCs are a variety of specialized immune cells that work together to protect our bodies from harmful pathogens. Their location in peripheral blood is significant because they act as a line of defense from infection and disease.
The fact that liposomal C will have a much better bioavailability than intravenous see you can find in chapter 5 of the book https://www.amazon.nl/Curing-Incurable-Vitamin-Infectious-Diseases-ebook/dp/B016NH1NPE.
In this case we are talking about the absorption in the cells not only in the blood. Usually companies promote that their product will be absorbed in the blood and that it will therefore have a better effect. But the product can be removed from the blood by the kidneys and the liver so it will have little change to be absorbed in the cells. The liposomal form will easily merge with a cell so that guarantees the result a supplement should have.
"A much smaller oral dose of liposome encapsulated vitamin C ( 5 to 10 grams) often results in a clearly superior clinical response than a much larger dose of vitamin C given intravenously ( 25 to 100 grams)."
Chapter 5 page 442, Summary.
On our updated site you can find most of our products and scientific data (LipoCellTech™ – The future of vitamins)
Other products which are not mentioned on the website are: resveratrol, a sleep formula with melatonin and Gaba and Quercetin.
The book curing the incurable will give more information about how much C one can administer and what would be too much.
Here is the site of our brand Vitamunda where you can order finished products: Liposomal products | Vitamunda
I added a document to the mail which give information about the absorption of liposomes via the intestines, the enterocytes.
If you have any questions please let me know.
