Information density - densities of information?

[tot]

Where did the C's say that? They mentioned he got a few things wrong, but never said anything about him being "blinded by ego" or that he failed to "become enlightened". Here's one of the things they said about him:




You should probably give specific references when you talk about what the C's have said, because you seem to be putting your own words in their 'mouths' (as well as Gurdjieff's), and are conflating and mixing up ideas, as far as I can tell.

It is possible Ryan it is possible I should have put the quote from the transcript and it may be that my interpretation of photographic memory plus the translator has confused it and it is as you say I will do the revision in case I made a mistake I will not do the download lately I have problems with the translator but the forum search engine offers the keywords.

 

[candasiri]

Just found this article through researching dowsing about how humans may connect to the information field by a physicist named Jim Lyons. The last section titled "Spiraled/Torsion Waves" was particularly interesting:

Dowsing Mechanism Oct13_gd2.pdf

 

[iamthatis]

I think the basis of Castaneda's writings was taken from deep research of his own on metaphysical and esoteric ideas, his imagination and possibly some unconscious channeling, and very real people he met that taught him throughout his life. Two of his teachers (and I'm sure there were more) were (for a brief period of time) spent with Lord Pentland and a much longer period of time spent with Howard Y. Lee.

From Lord Pentland he probably incorporated many of Gurdjieff's psychological ideas into his writings concerning 'the warrior' and from Howard Y. Lee he probably got his ideas regarding energy and energy bodies. In a sense I guess you can say that what he wrote paralleled Gurdieff's ideas in many ways but viewed it from an energetic perspective and not from a linear intellectual one such as the the ray of creation, hydrogens, etc. Imo he had the soul of a poet, was a triskster (archetype) comedian, was brilliant and was a great 'liar' and storyteller and if you mix all the above in a blender he came up with his writings that told many an esoteric truth within a fictional framework. I think he borrowed (or stole!) many ideas and experiences from others (but which included his own) to come up with many of his written experiences.

I think that Theodore Illion when writing 'Darkness Over Tibet' did something similar to Castaneda where descriptions of some fourth density realities was incorporated into a fictional narrative including many of his descriptions of Tibet which may have been taken from the writings of Alexandra David-Néel who as I understand it did visit Tibet.

I remember my Gurdjieff teacher at about the time his fourth or fifth book came out (around 1975, 1976) was VERY impressed by his writings but she hoped he wouldn't keep writing books since that might dilute the ideas he was expressing thru fiction. In other words, writing more books (possibly for money) where the fiction might outweigh the truth he wanted to express diluting the truth's impact

Interesting. There's this session snippet that seems to point more towards the authenticity of Don Juan.

Feb 25, 1995:

Q: (BP) Is the work of Carlos Castaneda historically accurate as far as what he says about Don Juan?

A: Yes.

I wonder how that squares with what you've written above. Is Don Juan another one of his teachers, then? Maybe one who he turned into a fictional character that was a repository for all of his other teachers?

 

[christx11]

Interesting. There's this session snippet that seems to point more towards the authenticity of Don Juan.

Feb 25, 1995:


I wonder how that squares with what you've written above. Is Don Juan another one of his teachers, then? Maybe one who he turned into a fictional character that was a repository for all of his other teachers?

In the Session - Session 23 August 2001, we have kind of what you have surmised above.

Q: (L) Was there really a guy named Don Juan Matus who was the teacher of Carlos Castaneda?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Was he a "composite person" as some have suggested?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Was he a composite of several people who Carlos actually knew, as in 3rd density humans?
A: Yes.

 

[Ben]

I followed a link on X to this interesting little article about the work of Michael Levine. I wasn't sure where to post it.

A revolution in biology

how developmental biology might contain the secrets to life, intelligence, and immortality

www.bitsofwonder.co

It's a summary of experiments showing that the bioelectrical field can better explain how developmental biology works. Genes can't explain how the informational goal or endpoint is held and worked towards, when regrowing a limb or a head, for example. We've heard about this in the form of the morphogenetic field from Rupert Sheldrake, it's been discussed here and our own Pierre wrote about it. There's nothing new here, it's just interesting to see how close this work gets to the concept of the information field while still viewing things through a materialist lens.

The bioelectrical field and its networks become the mechanism by which we can move beyond the limitations of genes as a control mechanism. The implications are mostly considered in terms of their practical applications, and the 'revolutionary view' is now that intelligence can be attributed to the individual cells and their involvement in bioelectrical networks.

So on a practical level, the impact of Levin’s work is a shift away from genes as the only determinant of structure, shifting instead towards the bioelectric network. But there’s a broader thesis here, which is recognizing that the terms “intelligence” and “cognition” apply to much more of biology than we tend to think. The very process of development has an intelligence of its own.

There's no designer, no consciousness exerting influence on the field mentioned - to keep it all in the realm of Science. So it leaves you where you started, scratching your head and asking how the hell resting membrane potentials in cells can tell them to grow a whole limb or a head without a place for that information to be stored or introduced. It actually doesn't get you any further to explaining the problem.

Keep in mind a crucial point: in all these experiments, the genes of the worms are never edited. You get a wildly different functional worm with the same genes. And what’s even wilder is that some of these changes are enduring: without any further drugs or modifications, the two-headed worm produces offspring that are also two-headed, indefinitely. Think about what this means: we’ve achieved a permanent change in the structure of the worm, without changing its genes. We have transcended the genetic code and are instead learning to crack the bioelectric code of the body.

The experiments are interesting to read about but what's more fascinating is how the glaring necessity for an intelligent designer still has to be kept out of the picture. At least, it isn't considered an appropriate idea to introduce.

 

[meadow_wind]

But we need to learn this. To me in my clinical work the subtle electric current can easily be stimulated by hands on therapy, well that’s what I perceive to be happening between my hands when I work.

What you perceive might be exactly what it is. I saw a fascinating docu-series on this topic. Some people can do incredible things!
The name is: Superhuman Experience.

The Superhuman Experience
Description: What does it mean to be superhuman? For 30 years, David Verdesi has traveled the far edges of the globe, searching for the impossible - immersing himself in over 60 ancient cultures to discover how to harness human potential through energy work. PBS favorite Lee Holden distills this modern mystic's discoveries in The Superhuman Experience series.

Of interest were episodes 1, 3, and 4. I found them free on Bitchute. They are also on Apple TV and Gaia.

Ep.1 - Unlocking Human Potential - Superhuman Experience (Episode 1) - Unlocking Human Potential
Bagus, a man whose kundalini energy is so powerful that it feels like a strong electrical current to the touch. To pass it safely to others, he must use a leaf to make contact. Bagus represents the beginning of David's journey; and the foundation of our potential - energy.
What initially began with feeling currents of electricity inside of himself as a child led to David studying with over twenty masters of the thunder path aka kundalini, including the legendary John Chang.

Ep. 4 - The Physiology of Chi - Superhuman Experience (Episode 4) The Physiology of Chi
Chi is the energy that manifests in every aspect of life. This episode takes a deep dive into energy work, as Lee Holden heads to an undisclosed location, where he uncovers an ancient and secretive Chinese medicine practice - once thought to be lost in the Cultural Revolution.

Ep. 3 - Shifting Subtle Energies - Superhuman Experience (Episode 3) Shifting Subtle Energies
David Verdesi's journey began with martial arts at 6 years old. Now, after learning hundreds of forms of kung fu, David revisits the use of martial arts and qi gong as an instrument to use the body to focus the mind and direct energy.

3rd episode is also about Chi, and how it's used both for healing and for martial arts. There is a Chinese Tai Chi master named Bing who can push people around and make them fall without touching them/only with his mind. He calls it the "water power". That's the interesting part. I disregarded the part about distance healing (starting at 21 min).

 

[gottathink]

Thanks @meadow_wind that looks interesting material to check out.

 

[BHelmet]

I think the basis of Castaneda's writings was taken from deep research of his own on metaphysical and esoteric ideas, his imagination and possibly some unconscious channeling, and very real people he met that taught him throughout his life. Two of his teachers (and I'm sure there were more) were (for a brief period of time) spent with Lord Pentland and a much longer period of time spent with Howard Y. Lee.

Don’t forget that his taking of various psychedelic drugs was likely a hefty slice of this pie. Castaneda’s popularity and notoriety dovetailed perfectly with the promotion of the drug culture back in the day as well.