domwatts23
Jedi
Anart, I do not think your reply too harsh; on the contrary, if something is not said honestly there is little value in it being said at all, it is exactly harsh enough. If I thought the opinion too harsh, I would probably not reply at all. On the contrary, I am accepting your critique and thoughtfully replying to it. I thank you for your criticisms. I am attempting to reconcile this ‘argument’, in order to produce something fruitful from it rather than belittling you. In order to do this, I must truly allow myself to accept that you may be correct in ALL that you say and then consciously decide when you are and when you are not afterwards, objectively; thus not allowing the ego and its traps to cloud my judgment. This is what I have now done. Whilst I could also paste every sentence you say and make a cutting, sarcastic remark about it in relation to your ego, I choose not to. This seems rather fruitless as I would be trying only to ‘win’ against all your sentences (which is what you have been doing to me) instead of seeing your point as a whole. It seems to me (though I may be wrong, and I acknowledge that) that you have fallen into a very specific ‘ego trap’ yourself. You see yourself as the teacher, here to teach others on the forum, especially those who are ‘newbies’. We are grateful for this. However, it instils in you the subconscious belief that you will rarely find anything of value to your own learning and development from these beings with ‘inferior understanding’.
However, such is the nature of the ego, you will undoubtedly believe that this is the exact opposite of the case. I am sure that you think you are constantly learning from these newbies, as they are further crystallising in you understanding of all the traps which you have already discovered. Yet therein lies the rub. You constantly assert, in these exchanges, your ‘rightness’ and the other party’s ‘wrongness’. In doing this you bow to the duality and become its slave. You eschew the fact that their opinion is EXACTLY as valid as your own. You will not accept that the newbie’s opinion can make you realise your own ‘nothingness’ just as yours can make him realise the same. By extension, the third force of understanding the situation objectively eludes you, and you continue to ‘chase your own tail’.
Perhaps all of what I have said is incorrect? Perhaps, when giving advice to others on the forum, you are constantly aware of how their insights might be able to increase your understanding, as they are merely another point of view. However, this is not how you come across. You, being the administrator, have presented yourself as infallible during this exchange and dismissed in an off-hand, belittling manner all I have had to say.
I anticipated that my comment about Laura and Ark would provoke a reaction like yours, which is why I hastened to add that I was not comparing our situation in terms of importance, it was merely an analogy. If Laura and Ark had not met I would not be writing this right now; their work together is of such importance that to me, it cannot be described in words. The analogy came about because our exchange was an example of two worlds colliding (spirituality/philosophy with science), as I perceived Laura and Ark's meeting to be. I also likened it to theirs as it was the result of strange seeming coincidences.
I find it strange that you have said that we have added nothing unique; because we have not attempted to. We merely introduced ourselves and our experience together in the hope that a)we could receive opinions regarding the experience and b) we might be able to share some of our insights we have gleaned with some people on this forum who are interested in this subject matter. Whilst you have passed comment on our egotism/self-importance, (which is completely fair and appreciated) you seem to have ignored the possibility that there is anything of value which we may have to say.
This, however, is fair enough. I am merely a ‘disturbance in the force’.
I feared that, in writing anything transparent on this forum, which showed my feelings, I would be attacked by someone such as yourself, who seek to make people like myself (padwans, to you), feel inferior and worth nothing.
In fact, everything we realised during our experience ‘turned out to be’ in accordance with all of the precepts set out by the Cs. You do not know who I am. You have ignored the possibility that a ‘disturbance in the force’ can add anything to your full cup. You know not 99% of that which was experienced. You do not know that which I have been through to end up here, in this forum, baring my soul. Which does not, as I'm sure you will say, imply that I think I have been through things which you have not. This is a key point. You think that, as an administrator, your duty is to put right everyone who comments on the forum. Sometimes, you do this to your own detriment. What if the things we have discovered are revolutionary?
I do not believe they are. However, do you know that which I am? I seek not to attack, but to inform. Though you have a great understanding of these matters, it does not mean you are infallible. It does not mean that nobody else has anything of value to say.
You tell me to elucidate my findings on another website, which seems peculiar.
Somebody on THIS FORUM, who seeks counsel, guidance, has asked for my contribution and you have attempted to refuse them this. Do you maintain that this is service to others? I came here not for any kind of confrontation. I have read innumerable posts on this forum without giving my ‘two pennies’ as I thought they were worthless, compared to the wisdom being given out (clearly an example of self-importance, you will probably say).
Whilst you have said (comically, I hasten to add) that what I have done is run into a room declaring with all my might that both hands have five fingers, this is only your perception (and perhaps others’ too).
My perception (and possible others’ too) is that I have run into a room shouting ‘Excuse me I believe I have discovered some things which may interest somebody in this room’ and somebody in the room has shouted back ‘No you haven’t, nothing you believe you have discovered can be of any use to me, and therefore, to anyone else in this room. Furthermore, just to be helpful, let me show you how foolish you have been in supposing that anything you think can be of any worth to anyone in this room.’
However, I do not blame you for shouting this back. It is possible that the reason for what you have shouted back is the misleading manner in which I shouted initially. It is also possible that your cup is already full, and all that I have said earlier with regards to your own ego is rather accurate. Most probably, it is a mixture of the two. Either way, I do not blame you; and both ways together, I still do not blame you. Blame implies a duality. A belief in a duality implies a lack of understanding. You can’t have left without right, right? Left!
You will probably reply to this with another dissection of every sentence in terms of my ego. This is fine. You will see this post as an attack on you, when it is not. The post simply is, and it is what it is.
I have no negative feelings towards you, I did not come here to make enemies.
However, such is the nature of the ego, you will undoubtedly believe that this is the exact opposite of the case. I am sure that you think you are constantly learning from these newbies, as they are further crystallising in you understanding of all the traps which you have already discovered. Yet therein lies the rub. You constantly assert, in these exchanges, your ‘rightness’ and the other party’s ‘wrongness’. In doing this you bow to the duality and become its slave. You eschew the fact that their opinion is EXACTLY as valid as your own. You will not accept that the newbie’s opinion can make you realise your own ‘nothingness’ just as yours can make him realise the same. By extension, the third force of understanding the situation objectively eludes you, and you continue to ‘chase your own tail’.
Perhaps all of what I have said is incorrect? Perhaps, when giving advice to others on the forum, you are constantly aware of how their insights might be able to increase your understanding, as they are merely another point of view. However, this is not how you come across. You, being the administrator, have presented yourself as infallible during this exchange and dismissed in an off-hand, belittling manner all I have had to say.
I anticipated that my comment about Laura and Ark would provoke a reaction like yours, which is why I hastened to add that I was not comparing our situation in terms of importance, it was merely an analogy. If Laura and Ark had not met I would not be writing this right now; their work together is of such importance that to me, it cannot be described in words. The analogy came about because our exchange was an example of two worlds colliding (spirituality/philosophy with science), as I perceived Laura and Ark's meeting to be. I also likened it to theirs as it was the result of strange seeming coincidences.
I find it strange that you have said that we have added nothing unique; because we have not attempted to. We merely introduced ourselves and our experience together in the hope that a)we could receive opinions regarding the experience and b) we might be able to share some of our insights we have gleaned with some people on this forum who are interested in this subject matter. Whilst you have passed comment on our egotism/self-importance, (which is completely fair and appreciated) you seem to have ignored the possibility that there is anything of value which we may have to say.
This, however, is fair enough. I am merely a ‘disturbance in the force’.
I feared that, in writing anything transparent on this forum, which showed my feelings, I would be attacked by someone such as yourself, who seek to make people like myself (padwans, to you), feel inferior and worth nothing.
In fact, everything we realised during our experience ‘turned out to be’ in accordance with all of the precepts set out by the Cs. You do not know who I am. You have ignored the possibility that a ‘disturbance in the force’ can add anything to your full cup. You know not 99% of that which was experienced. You do not know that which I have been through to end up here, in this forum, baring my soul. Which does not, as I'm sure you will say, imply that I think I have been through things which you have not. This is a key point. You think that, as an administrator, your duty is to put right everyone who comments on the forum. Sometimes, you do this to your own detriment. What if the things we have discovered are revolutionary?
I do not believe they are. However, do you know that which I am? I seek not to attack, but to inform. Though you have a great understanding of these matters, it does not mean you are infallible. It does not mean that nobody else has anything of value to say.
You tell me to elucidate my findings on another website, which seems peculiar.
Somebody on THIS FORUM, who seeks counsel, guidance, has asked for my contribution and you have attempted to refuse them this. Do you maintain that this is service to others? I came here not for any kind of confrontation. I have read innumerable posts on this forum without giving my ‘two pennies’ as I thought they were worthless, compared to the wisdom being given out (clearly an example of self-importance, you will probably say).
Whilst you have said (comically, I hasten to add) that what I have done is run into a room declaring with all my might that both hands have five fingers, this is only your perception (and perhaps others’ too).
My perception (and possible others’ too) is that I have run into a room shouting ‘Excuse me I believe I have discovered some things which may interest somebody in this room’ and somebody in the room has shouted back ‘No you haven’t, nothing you believe you have discovered can be of any use to me, and therefore, to anyone else in this room. Furthermore, just to be helpful, let me show you how foolish you have been in supposing that anything you think can be of any worth to anyone in this room.’
However, I do not blame you for shouting this back. It is possible that the reason for what you have shouted back is the misleading manner in which I shouted initially. It is also possible that your cup is already full, and all that I have said earlier with regards to your own ego is rather accurate. Most probably, it is a mixture of the two. Either way, I do not blame you; and both ways together, I still do not blame you. Blame implies a duality. A belief in a duality implies a lack of understanding. You can’t have left without right, right? Left!
You will probably reply to this with another dissection of every sentence in terms of my ego. This is fine. You will see this post as an attack on you, when it is not. The post simply is, and it is what it is.
I have no negative feelings towards you, I did not come here to make enemies.
