Hindsight Man
Jedi Master
bjorn said:
Jesus Christ,this is literal indoctrination and people are CLAMORING for it. Pass me the barf bag,I want off this f*king ride.
Is gender a social construct?
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Jesus Christ,this is literal indoctrination and people are CLAMORING for it. Pass me the barf bag,I want off this f*king ride.
bjorn said:
Although gender is not a social construct, gender confusion certainly is. And this is what they are constructing here.
I won't be surprised if these young people end up in psychotherapy one day - alongside other victims of emotional and sexual abuse. Disgusting.
Carl said:
I think it isn't just that older generations are dying out, but the direction of influence has been reversed. Instead of younger generations imitating the older, as has been tradition for cultures throughout history, now grown adults look to younger people. It's notable in fashion and music, but also in the spread of various ideologies. If you go to any populated area in the West it's not at all uncommon to see grown men in their 30's and 40's dressed as teenage boys. Likewise, their is a trend that has started with older women to dye their hair bright colors and wear pigtails like teenage girls. Most music and fashion being made popular is also rooted in younger cultures, but there is also a perversity which sexualizes it for adults.
The moderateness, wisdom and responsibility of older generations has been eroded in favor of an obsession with youth and all it represents. This societal worship of the young taps into the underdeveloped nature of the masses created out of narcissistic families and is driven by industries run by pathologicals to include pedophiles. In this respect, an aspect of pedophile culture already exists. So I agree, it may be only a matter of time until they are given full reign within the society they are forming.
Many of the West's social movements since the 60's have been driven by younger generations, and what we see now with the SJWs is a supremely selfish and immature ideology that seeks to dominate while also claiming the status of the powerless victim-child. It's no wonder that our culture that is so influenced by youth has opened it's arms to such an ideology.
The later waves of feminism have also played a significant role in opening the doors to this upside-down, role reversal within society. Instead of masculinity being regarded as a needed and protective element, it is being taught as something damaging, threatening or dangerous. Boys and young men do not know their place in society and are failing to become men. Women have figured out how to be men, but men do not know what to do with themselves. Boys and young men are failing in relationships, schools, and responsibility. Instead, they find poor substitutes in video games and pornography. In these virtual fantasies they're able to create temporal satisfaction for the innate drives that they do not know how to realize in real life.
It would seem that the transgender issues taking center stage are both symbolic and directly related to the energetic disorientation between masculinity and femininity in the West. Much like Pierre wrote about, which was just brought up. And it looks like a recipe for disaster.
Renaissance said:
That is an interesting aspect. Since you have spelled it out, it is quite a curious thing indeed. It really sounds like a rather unprecedented societal tendency nowadays, for old people imitating the young people and not the other way around, what seems to have been the case pretty much in any other society in the past.
I'm also wondering if it is a deliberate move, so that older people also get more in line with the programming that is already pretty well in place and works for the young ones?
angelburst29
The Living Force
Renaissance said:
Could it be a sign/symptom that directed social engineering has finally galvanized a plateau, in which a large majority of adults have lost purpose and direction and are now spiraling downward, into childhood norms, trying to re-connect to their formal selves?
angelburst29 said:
I would say a majority of folks that are my parents generation that I know, spend more time actively listening to today's mainstream music then those in my generation. I couldn't understand that because today's popular music has no soul to it, and music made in the 60s and 70s has more depth of sound and content, but yeah, this helps me to understand the phenomena better. You would think that because the older generations upbringing was so different than today's, that there would be more resistance to this. Although I believe there still is and you see it in smaller, rural communities where this kind of influence would be rooted out more quickly, as opposed to the big city where the liberal and Postmodernist doctrine seems to thrive in, osit.
It's actually pretty shocking how quickly this is spreading. I could've sworn just 5 years ago this wasn't a thing, fringe and largely unknown at best. It seems like almost overnight, all the college kids I've spoken to in the past year or so accept this as "normal" - gender fluidity, 4th wave feminism, SJW's is the new "normal" and everything else is bigoted - it's like a threshold was crossed and there was a "quantum jump" into this new reality that is suddenly everywhere. A few years ago there were threads and forums on popular websites like Reddit poking fun of crazy people on tumbler, calling them "tumblerinas", and having a laugh at their reality-distorting SJW rants. Most people weren't even aware that this fringe culty group existed. Just some angry anti-social entitled teenagers, nothing worth noting, somewhat amusing at best right?
Then the bomb went off. I have trouble believing that the loud-mouthed tumbler teenagers sitting in their parents' basements are responsible for sprouting a national re-education campaign that infected every college campus, sprouted several groups like anti-fa, etc. There is money driving this - paid "meme" creators, paid feminist article writers, teachers, and actual honey-pots of COINTELPRO fame. There has to be a source of this push, and with that, an agenda - far beyond the apparent gender debates. It is psychologically clever - it hooks into people's natural desire for fairness and justice, paints its target as unjust and oppressive, uses the common inability to critically think and be objective, and you have a passionate movement of drooling idiots. People want to be good, fair, just - but they have very vague notions of a lot of these terms, and vague notions of a lot of concepts in general. It isn't rocket science to distort them into whatever. Hell, if you can distort the word "gender", you can distort anything.
It's exactly like Laura has written in the past, which is proving itself more so now than ever before -
I mean, given the smorgasbord of philosophies that various group swear by - atheism, religion, post-modernism, egalitarianism, socialism, capitalism, new-agers, hedonism, etc, it's clear that humans at large are very easily persuaded by their peers and environment, who themselves were also persuaded by same. There's just mass confusion. This kind of persuasion - no matter the indoctrination in question - only takes root in a very baroque, fuzzy mind - most people don't spend considerable amount of time truly thinking, deducing, and generally developing logic and clarity regarding understandably complex notions. No time for that between work, beer, kids, and sleep. Any argument has to find a hook - it only needs to be persuasive enough to "make sense" to whomever the target is - and the methods of persuasion don't rely on objective logic, just finding the right hook - the right pre-existing biases and distortions already present in the target brain, and then just use them. Exploit the weakness in a system, like hacking a computer.
Like with a 5 year old you'd say.. you like candy right? Yes. Mom said you can't have it right? Yes. Your mom must not love you and doesn't want you to have nice things. BAM he's crying and is terrified that you might be right. His mind was unable to find flaws in this argument, it appeals to the basic emotions and reasoning. With each age-group you just add slightly more complexity and "logic" - just enough where your hidden assumptions and subjective distortions and omissions and false conclusions will be accepted as reasonable. Then add emotions and anger and cry oppression to turn off any remaining doubts because now there's a fire lit under the false conclusion. Now you made an SJW, or an ISIS jihadi, or a CIA assassin, or a religious fundie, or an atheist, or a hedonist, or a hippie drug user. And the sad thing is, you can brainwash someone with the actual objective truth - but unless they grok it, they'll believe the right thing "for the wrong reasons".
I'm just so frustrated that some kind of bullshit shows up every few years, like a new house fire that your retarded neighbor starts every now and then, and now we have to scramble to understand it and put it out. My first fire was 9/11 - when I realized what a crock it was, and helplessly watched the bloodlust that led to milions of innocents being blown up. Then it was all kinds of "osama under the bed" patriot acts, torture prisons, etc. For a short while it was ISIS under the bed - quickly replaced by "Putin under the bed". The visual is like an old lady throwing bird seed in a park and all the pigeons flok to the new flavor every few years.
The fringe right and Fox News were always insane fundie Bible-belt crazies. Now I find myself sharing Sean Hannity videos on FB, frequenting /r/The_Donald subreddit, and overall the Trump crowd seems reasonable and desirable - eccentric and meme-obsessed, but still. I don't know if they smartened up due to evolutionary necessity when the left lost their collective shit, or they just started seeing the corruption everywhere and Trump just helped that along, or the left is so badshit crazy that my old "enemy" suddenly seems comforting and familiar and sane. And that's a scary thought.
So piggybacking pedophilia on top of this massive distortion of thinking probably won't be too hard if they sell the concept just right. First it's a mental illness to soften it up a bit. Then marriages to kids are ok with parental consent without sex - hey it's like a pretend marriage and love knows no age - but they aren't having sex it's fine. Then kissing is ok, still no sex. Then everyone is reminded how age of consent in Europe is like 12 right? Then age of consent is lowered for kids having sex with other kids (with parental consent) - technically already a thing for 16 year olds in many states (can't have sex with 18+ but it's ok with another 16-17 adolescent). Then when everyone agrees, you make the argument that kids are better off doing this with an adult than another kid, because isn't it better to have someone who knows what they are doing rather than another confused child in the mix? Throw in oppression and stifling and other words.
Then 20 years from now we finally discover the massive pedophile ring that Hillary and friends were part of - smoking gun! But by then, it will just be seen as progressive and ahead of its time! All the SJW's will cheer! If this forum still exists in 20 years, we will be on suicide watch!
Also I forgot - the catch phrases. Gender is a social construct. This exact phrase is repeated by every discussion. Notice how no one rephrases it ever. Gender is subjective, it is in your mind, it this that or the other. Nope we will stick with social construct because those are the exact words the mind programming used. Why always gender fluid? Why not gender ambiguous or I dunno any other word? Mind programmed key phrases repeatedly bashed into collective consciousness turn off actual thinking which is what synonyms encourage. Nope just rehearse and repeat. Like brand recognition.
Then the bomb went off. I have trouble believing that the loud-mouthed tumbler teenagers sitting in their parents' basements are responsible for sprouting a national re-education campaign that infected every college campus, sprouted several groups like anti-fa, etc. There is money driving this - paid "meme" creators, paid feminist article writers, teachers, and actual honey-pots of COINTELPRO fame. There has to be a source of this push, and with that, an agenda - far beyond the apparent gender debates. It is psychologically clever - it hooks into people's natural desire for fairness and justice, paints its target as unjust and oppressive, uses the common inability to critically think and be objective, and you have a passionate movement of drooling idiots. People want to be good, fair, just - but they have very vague notions of a lot of these terms, and vague notions of a lot of concepts in general. It isn't rocket science to distort them into whatever. Hell, if you can distort the word "gender", you can distort anything.
It's exactly like Laura has written in the past, which is proving itself more so now than ever before -
Laura said:
I mean, given the smorgasbord of philosophies that various group swear by - atheism, religion, post-modernism, egalitarianism, socialism, capitalism, new-agers, hedonism, etc, it's clear that humans at large are very easily persuaded by their peers and environment, who themselves were also persuaded by same. There's just mass confusion. This kind of persuasion - no matter the indoctrination in question - only takes root in a very baroque, fuzzy mind - most people don't spend considerable amount of time truly thinking, deducing, and generally developing logic and clarity regarding understandably complex notions. No time for that between work, beer, kids, and sleep. Any argument has to find a hook - it only needs to be persuasive enough to "make sense" to whomever the target is - and the methods of persuasion don't rely on objective logic, just finding the right hook - the right pre-existing biases and distortions already present in the target brain, and then just use them. Exploit the weakness in a system, like hacking a computer.
Like with a 5 year old you'd say.. you like candy right? Yes. Mom said you can't have it right? Yes. Your mom must not love you and doesn't want you to have nice things. BAM he's crying and is terrified that you might be right. His mind was unable to find flaws in this argument, it appeals to the basic emotions and reasoning. With each age-group you just add slightly more complexity and "logic" - just enough where your hidden assumptions and subjective distortions and omissions and false conclusions will be accepted as reasonable. Then add emotions and anger and cry oppression to turn off any remaining doubts because now there's a fire lit under the false conclusion. Now you made an SJW, or an ISIS jihadi, or a CIA assassin, or a religious fundie, or an atheist, or a hedonist, or a hippie drug user. And the sad thing is, you can brainwash someone with the actual objective truth - but unless they grok it, they'll believe the right thing "for the wrong reasons".
I'm just so frustrated that some kind of bullshit shows up every few years, like a new house fire that your retarded neighbor starts every now and then, and now we have to scramble to understand it and put it out. My first fire was 9/11 - when I realized what a crock it was, and helplessly watched the bloodlust that led to milions of innocents being blown up. Then it was all kinds of "osama under the bed" patriot acts, torture prisons, etc. For a short while it was ISIS under the bed - quickly replaced by "Putin under the bed". The visual is like an old lady throwing bird seed in a park and all the pigeons flok to the new flavor every few years.
The fringe right and Fox News were always insane fundie Bible-belt crazies. Now I find myself sharing Sean Hannity videos on FB, frequenting /r/The_Donald subreddit, and overall the Trump crowd seems reasonable and desirable - eccentric and meme-obsessed, but still. I don't know if they smartened up due to evolutionary necessity when the left lost their collective shit, or they just started seeing the corruption everywhere and Trump just helped that along, or the left is so badshit crazy that my old "enemy" suddenly seems comforting and familiar and sane. And that's a scary thought.
So piggybacking pedophilia on top of this massive distortion of thinking probably won't be too hard if they sell the concept just right. First it's a mental illness to soften it up a bit. Then marriages to kids are ok with parental consent without sex - hey it's like a pretend marriage and love knows no age - but they aren't having sex it's fine. Then kissing is ok, still no sex. Then everyone is reminded how age of consent in Europe is like 12 right? Then age of consent is lowered for kids having sex with other kids (with parental consent) - technically already a thing for 16 year olds in many states (can't have sex with 18+ but it's ok with another 16-17 adolescent). Then when everyone agrees, you make the argument that kids are better off doing this with an adult than another kid, because isn't it better to have someone who knows what they are doing rather than another confused child in the mix? Throw in oppression and stifling and other words.
Then 20 years from now we finally discover the massive pedophile ring that Hillary and friends were part of - smoking gun! But by then, it will just be seen as progressive and ahead of its time! All the SJW's will cheer! If this forum still exists in 20 years, we will be on suicide watch!
Also I forgot - the catch phrases. Gender is a social construct. This exact phrase is repeated by every discussion. Notice how no one rephrases it ever. Gender is subjective, it is in your mind, it this that or the other. Nope we will stick with social construct because those are the exact words the mind programming used. Why always gender fluid? Why not gender ambiguous or I dunno any other word? Mind programmed key phrases repeatedly bashed into collective consciousness turn off actual thinking which is what synonyms encourage. Nope just rehearse and repeat. Like brand recognition.
SAO said:
Same here. For me it felt like this has happened overnight. It was "LGBT - I'm super proud" week recently in Spain and it was all over the TV with parades on every single place, including the highly conservative and traditional town where I live. The other day I had to endure 20 minutes of TV interviews with the most absurd things I've ever seen while I had dinner at work. Granted, I haven't watched most of the videos quoted in this thread. I tried to watch one, but the urge to do anything else was greater.
On TV they interviewed a case of a girl with pseudo-hermaphroditism. One of those extremely rare cases in the whole country. Instead of approaching the girl's case as a medical one, the argument was used to bring big shame on the Christian ad that was placed on a bus earlier this year:
http://www.euronews.com/2017/03/01/madrid-police-impound-spanish-anti-transgender-bus-of-shame
Now everybody has accepted that the above is simply not true. It boggles my mind. I'm sorry for the little girl on TV, but her case is a rare medical one and can be surgically corrected.
Sigh.
One interesting thing I've noticed...
When one studies this phenomenon and accumulates knowledge, it allows one to make powerful decisions with real impact. All of the confusing and conflicting ideas crystalize quickly into sense when the arrow of knowledge is plunged through the fog. Objective Reality takes no energy to maintain itself, and understanding and accepting that allows for great power.
-Case in point: I've noticed that where others are confused and propelled by pop culture, (I've seen several otherwise good men question their own sexuality and suffer as a consequence), I've been able to see through the B.S. and rest easily in my own knowledge of self.
So I can journey through my days, feeling no guilt or confusion regarding my masculine traits. I am not worried about expressing "toxic" masculinity. (I understand that treating others with respect is not gender-related, but simply a matter of wisdom and social grace).
And I've been finding that people, both men and women, respond instinctively to my own level of self-assured behavior. -Which happens to embody many masculine attributes. I know how to fix things. I enjoy that role. I'm able to exert force of character in a male way; when crap is going down I can often sort it with just a look or a clearing of my throat. I can draw lines and enforce them with a minimum of fuss. So-called, "Man-splaining" is something I understand the power and social value of. -You just need to be socially aware enough to not over-apply it or offer it where it isn't wanted or warranted, -and by gum, people actually appreciate a man who knows what the hell is going on and how to calmly describe it.
When shit hits the fan, people naturally find my presence calming. I've worked to refine those qualities. I've learned some of what it means to be a man.
I'm far from the archetypal Alpha Male, but even a strong Beta, (what I'd classify myself as), is turning into a high-value rarity these days.
It's important to teach by example. When young boys are around me, I can almost feel them absorbing information, as their brains are designed to do. It is important to be aware of what energies one is putting out there. I think this is perhaps one of the ways we are, "Anchoring the Frequency".
Butterfly wings, and all that.
When one studies this phenomenon and accumulates knowledge, it allows one to make powerful decisions with real impact. All of the confusing and conflicting ideas crystalize quickly into sense when the arrow of knowledge is plunged through the fog. Objective Reality takes no energy to maintain itself, and understanding and accepting that allows for great power.
-Case in point: I've noticed that where others are confused and propelled by pop culture, (I've seen several otherwise good men question their own sexuality and suffer as a consequence), I've been able to see through the B.S. and rest easily in my own knowledge of self.
So I can journey through my days, feeling no guilt or confusion regarding my masculine traits. I am not worried about expressing "toxic" masculinity. (I understand that treating others with respect is not gender-related, but simply a matter of wisdom and social grace).
And I've been finding that people, both men and women, respond instinctively to my own level of self-assured behavior. -Which happens to embody many masculine attributes. I know how to fix things. I enjoy that role. I'm able to exert force of character in a male way; when crap is going down I can often sort it with just a look or a clearing of my throat. I can draw lines and enforce them with a minimum of fuss. So-called, "Man-splaining" is something I understand the power and social value of. -You just need to be socially aware enough to not over-apply it or offer it where it isn't wanted or warranted, -and by gum, people actually appreciate a man who knows what the hell is going on and how to calmly describe it.
When shit hits the fan, people naturally find my presence calming. I've worked to refine those qualities. I've learned some of what it means to be a man.
I'm far from the archetypal Alpha Male, but even a strong Beta, (what I'd classify myself as), is turning into a high-value rarity these days.
It's important to teach by example. When young boys are around me, I can almost feel them absorbing information, as their brains are designed to do. It is important to be aware of what energies one is putting out there. I think this is perhaps one of the ways we are, "Anchoring the Frequency".
Butterfly wings, and all that.
mcb
The Living Force
Gaby said:
It is possible that much of the potential evidence that could lead to a better medical understanding of what is happening among people with gender identity issues (at least in early onset cases) goes unexamined. I didn't learn of my own endocrine condition until I was 54 years old, and then only because I was considering transitioning.
In all the decades before that of going to doctors and discussing symptoms, hormones were never considered (other than by me). How many other people have similar issues and will never know about it? And for those that do find out, what are the chances for identifying the underlying causes?
MB said:
That is understandable. But this is often the case for widespread problems such as Lyme's disease (patients can go to an average of 20 specialists over decades with debilitating symptoms before someone diagnose them) as it is for less common syndromes. Then we have the added problem of xenoestrogens and other artificial toxins disrupting people's physiology. Add the postmodernist programming and now we'll sure have all sorts of issues, including hormonal, organic and ponerizing ones.
I recently corresponded with a woman with congenital adrenal hyperplasia. The problem for her was not a gender one, just the severe fatigue. I was surprised that she was diagnosed so quickly in her 20s, considering the general lack of awareness of the problem in mainstream practitioners. She was lucky to consult an endocrinologist who did all the tests. For her, it was life shattering that her condition affected her career and the high achievement she kept until the debilitating fatigue set in. Now she is trying hormones and is committed to a health plan to recover herself.
The girl in the TV show did not had gender issues. Her case was not one of hermaphroditism, it was pseudohermaphroditism. Biologically speaking, she is a woman. She identified herself as a girl and looked like a girl, she was just born with masculine genital appendages due to a congenital issue. She was diagnosed and received medical attention pretty much since day one. This medical condition is extremely rare. In the time being, most people don't get the health care and education they need even for the most obvious chronic diseases.
There are positive and negative stories on both sides for the rare syndromes and the common diseases, and everything in between. I don't want to diminish people's problems and their experience with the medical system. I just think it is unfair for the postmodernists to highlight very rare cases to deny basic biological facts. It was not a great deal for the girl on the TV interview, although with the pathological postmodernism movement, she looked like she had no choice than to sit by her mother while everyone made a big issue out of it.
Hope this adds more context to my previous post :)
Another depressing end of the world video, which contains a collection of vids about the rise of gender fluidity, genderfree schools, gene editing, and other vids. Mostly a good collection if you have trouble trying to keep up in what kind of direction this is heading to. (15:45 min) OSIT.
mcb
The Living Force
Gaby said:
Yes, it was the singling out of the rare that bugged me too. CAH is rare as well, as is whatever went wrong with me, fatigue and hypergonadism being primary symptoms that were overlooked from early on.
Endocrine disrupters in the environment are not so rare -- I discovered that the places where my parents lived in the years before I was born were military bases having contaminated ground water that later became EPA superfund sites -- and neither are unhealthy parents (mothers and fathers) giving birth to unhealthy children, a cumulative issue across generations.
These kinds of common factors might or might not be present or causal in any number of cases of variant gender identity. I have only my personal experience and correlations; more meaningful research would be needed before drawing conclusions. I'm not willing to write it off as arising from a social construct, however, any more than I would write off Lyme disease as arising from a social construct.
Gaby said:
Yep, me too. It was like all of a sudden the order went out, and these concepts were literally saturating the media from every possible angle. Then it got pushed into the schools, for younger and younger children, and it's everywhere! It's just so blatant and obvious, at times it's hard to fathom why people aren't noticing the big focus on this, or asking why are we spending all this energy and money on this instead of solving the basic problems like providing food and shelter for all?
