Is it all our own fault? Why did we do it?

[Muxel]

Life is tough, all too tough, and sometimes I don't even know why I got myself into this in the first place. Why do we do it? Why do we come into these bodies and suffer, literally by default?

Did we know, pre-incarnatively, what we were getting ourselves into? Were we naive, and expected humans to be more than what they are - which is biological automatons?

The thing about reincarnation stumps me, because it suggests that there is an element of choice in the matter. And it implies that at some level, we chose this. (And therefore deserve every bit of it - how cruel!)

I am so very tired, and so weary of this life. There is no "justice" to be had, and it is just wishful thinking to expect 99.999999% of humans to be anything more than what they are.

I'm tired of how life makes some suffer while others revel. I'm tired of all the competition that is inbuilt into our biology, and by extension, culture. I'm tired of how all this is Nature's "Grand Design". And we cannot change anything, we are merely God's pawns.

What do we have to look forward to? There is nothing. Everything "happens".

What did Gurdjieff have to hope for? There was nothing he could do - as he was - except die and then reincarnate into an entirely different reality!

What did the Biblical Yahweh tell Abraham? Find me one good man... just one good man, and I shall spare the city. And Abraham could not find even one. Automatons every last one of us.

 

[Laura]

Well, that's a pretty dark view of things and I can sure understand it; been there, done that. What keeps me going is the thought of how sad it would be for the universe to come to an end without "one good man"... so, I will be that person as far as I am able.

 

[nicklebleu]

Hi Muxel,

I know where you are coming from - I really do, because I often have similar thoughts and feelings. There are probably as many ways to deal with this as there are people, so I can only tell you how I do.

The main question boils down to "What is the purpose of life?" Is this just a random sick joke or is there a higher purpose behind it? I don't really have an answer to that, so I have constructed one that helps me to get through this life as best I can.

I think that reincarnation is a definite possibility and if that is so, there must be a purpose for me to come back again and again. If we posit that reincarnation is a definite possibility, then it seems illogical that there's randomness behind that, at least as far as I am concerned. It seems to me that I will come back as often as it takes to learn what is needed to break this otherwise endless cycle, whether that is to finally die "completely" or to move to a higher sphere.

So here is the motivation - to learn the hard lessons which will achieve that. And here also lies the hope - to one day break through this cycle and be able to move on.

It still is a roller coaster with lots of ups and downs, but at least I have a guiding light that emits a faint light that can guide me when all I see around me is darkness.

All there is in life is lessons and I try to learn them as best as I can. That's all that I can do.

Hope this helps!
Hang in there, Muxel ...

 

[mrelectric91]

I think this inner conflict with the ways of the universe is about transmuting negative emotion. That feeling of why is it like this is a real sensation of tension that you have to embrace to ultimately stand apart from. There's an energy particular to you, in that feeling of tension which belongs to you and which could be seen as just another tool to move forward in the way life currently demands of you. I also think seeing yourself as an eternal student is very helpful.

 

[Muxel]

I think this inner conflict with the ways of the universe is about transmuting negative emotion. That feeling of why is it like this is a real sensation of tension that you have to embrace to ultimately stand apart from. There's an energy particular to you, in that feeling of tension which belongs to you and which could be seen as just another tool to move forward in the way life currently demands of you. I also think seeing yourself as an eternal student is very helpful.

I'd agree only in that when the Universe is at odds with you, and life ain't so good, that can shock you out of the blissful ignorance of an automaton.

The ones who can afford to live their lives mechanically, those are the lucky ones!

 

[Muxel]

I think that reincarnation is a definite possibility and if that is so, there must be a purpose for me to come back again and again. If we posit that reincarnation is a definite possibility, then it seems illogical that there's randomness behind that, at least as far as I am concerned. It seems to me that I will come back as often as it takes to learn what is needed to break this otherwise endless cycle, whether that is to finally die "completely" or to move to a higher sphere.

So here is the motivation - to learn the hard lessons which will achieve that. And here also lies the hope - to one day break through this cycle and be able to move on.

What if the lesson is that there is no "hope"? That everything is the way it is. Have you considered that?

How did the C's put it?
[quote author=C's]When you see the futility of the limitations of 3rd density life, it means you are ready to graduate.[/quote]
"Futility" - now there's a word for you!

 

[nicklebleu]

I think that reincarnation is a definite possibility and if that is so, there must be a purpose for me to come back again and again. If we posit that reincarnation is a definite possibility, then it seems illogical that there's randomness behind that, at least as far as I am concerned. It seems to me that I will come back as often as it takes to learn what is needed to break this otherwise endless cycle, whether that is to finally die "completely" or to move to a higher sphere.

So here is the motivation - to learn the hard lessons which will achieve that. And here also lies the hope - to one day break through this cycle and be able to move on.

What if the lesson is that there is no "hope"? That everything is the way it is. Have you considered that?

How did the C's put it?
[quote author=C's]When you see the futility of the limitations of 3rd density life, it means you are ready to graduate.

"Futility" - now there's a word for you!
[/quote]

I said that this is my CONSTRUCT - I don't claim that the universe is built on that premise necessarily. The true purpose of the universe is probably not knowable with any certainty.

In the end it's a CHOICE only you can make, and if I have to choose between "hope" and "futility" I'll choose the first to make my task easier to bear.

 

[Psalehesost]

Regarding our lives, I think the real choice is elsewhere. It begins with choosing to enter into a very uncertain existence, which may or may not work out well. And I think the will we experience as our own in 3D is a reflection of the various influences we are aligned with. (And as Gurdjieff said, the whole Work is all about choosing influences of a different nature (conscious and creative) and then actually becoming subject to them.)

To be here means that there is a 'device' (3D self) in this world. The rest depends on what the device aligns with / becomes connected to. Growing in objective understanding of reality (inner and outer) can increase both the strength and the quality of the soul connection, and so, change the will one experiences as one's own, so that one's life becomes directed towards a more creative purpose.

As long as we remain in 3D STS, we will remain significantly mechanical and subjective. It can only be reduced relatively, in degree, as long as we remain 3D STS. So what can we do? If you care about becoming more sane, conscious, and creative, then you can work with others who also care about it. And that's basically it. The creative potential is in what we can do together, including for one another. Learning and creativity - if I do much in terms of these, I'll consider my life a success.

We have overcome the first obstacle, finding our way to conscious, creative influences. Then, the whole Work can run like a feedback loop: aligning with higher influences, these can influence the lower self so as to bring about efforts that increase alignment with higher influences. (4D STS will try to set up competing feedback loops resulting in strengthened alignment with them, and whichever kind of feedback loop wins out, this determines the future of the person.)


Now, about the world, 'justice', and the nature of most people. Most people simply do not care much - they neither care strongly about truth, reality, and creativity on the one hand, nor about egocentric 'attainment' at the cost of others on the other hand. In Ra's terms, most people are simply stuck in "the sinkhole of indifference", and as such, they'll sink.

What is justice, anyway? Simply receiving what is objectively asked for. And the Universe takes care of that. Honor reality, become Real. Ignore reality, become unreal. And humanity is, on the whole, like a monkey banging blindly on the cosmic keyboard. The monkey has been making quite a mess, and as such, the "system administrator" (the Living System, and the laws of nature), is set to wipe the user account of the monkey. (Humanity is objectively asking for comets, and when the Universe grants this request - giving what is genuinely asked for and needed - it is objective love in action.)

What can we look forward to? What we do together, in a dynamic interplay with the Universe. The hope is for those who are working to become part of the future. It is a great mistake to think that hope for the future is hope for most of humanity. It isn't - it is hope for those who really strive to Be.

OSIT.

 

[Scottie]

What if the lesson is that there is no "hope"? That everything is the way it is. Have you considered that?

How did the C's put it?
[quote author=C's]When you see the futility of the limitations of 3rd density life, it means you are ready to graduate.

"Futility" - now there's a word for you!
[/quote]

Personally, I don't think there is any hope.

By that I mean that too often, we sit back and "hope" for something better. Hope as it is normally used and abused simply means that nothing changes, because no one does anything. Instead, everyone expects somebody else do something.

So no, there isn't much hope, and there shouldn't be any.

And yeah, life here seems so futile sometimes. Why even bother? It's all just going to go down the toilet, right?

Maybe. Maybe not.

Here we delve into Woo-woo Land. I can't speak for anyone else, but I can tell you how I perceive things.

Right now, things are dark. But, I have faith that what I am doing will make some kind difference, in some way. Where does this faith come from? What is it faith in? I have no idea. It's just there. It's just some kind of mystical driving force inside me that's so powerful, it could stop a tornado dead in its tracks, or seal the Earth back up after a huge quake. It isn't a fire - it's more like a million blazing stars of infinite size that could melt the whole universe in the blink of an eye. It's BIG. It grows larger every time I let go of how things should be, or of how I want them to be.

I may not save the world, but I will do SOMETHING that will create a bit of light. That's all I can do.

So, this is what I do. What effects does it have?

Well, I see people grow. I see nations suddenly and inexplicably become a force for good against all the other nations who can't seem to do anything but destroy (relatively speaking). I see the life's work on psychopathy of a now deceased Polish psychiatrist suddenly talked about on The Huffington Post, of all places! I see and feel the desperation of the psychos who are losing control. At any minute, I expect them to just swat all the chess pieces off the board in a fit of rage, because for possibly the first time ever, things aren't always going their way. I experience the splitting of realities, where I literally have 2 memories of the same point in time: I remember that A and B happened on the same day, at the same time.

None of this is really "possible", and yet it is. None of it is really about ME, and yet it is.

And sure, it's not all rainbows and unicorns. It will NEVER be all rainbows and unicorns, because in this place I'm not sure that's possible. That's not what this plane of existence or density or whatever you want to call it is about. If all were rainbows and unicorns, I'd be totally bored and incredibly lazy.

We suffer, we learn, we grow. Something changes, or it doesn't. Yeah, the C's said this life is futile. They also said, "Interestingly enough, this [the evil plans of evil people] will all fail." They also said, "Learn to think in unlimited terms."

I try not to ask myself, "What will happen next?" That depends on all of us, doesn't it? It may even depend on me, specifically.

Instead, I ask: "What are you going to choose to do next?"

That's the best any of us can do.

 

[happyliza]

Muxel I think you are truly expressing that which every single one of us considers - and on a very regular basis - if we are truly honest with ourselves. With so much despicable 'unnecessary' suffering, barbarism and ponerology/vermin all over the planet ANYONE with a conscience and awareness will subjectively and objectively clash with what they witness!

I think the concept of reincarnation does really make sense here on two fronts at least:
'Compulsory' rebirth for organic portals and those with their eyes/ears firmly closed in order to have even a miniscule chance of awakening - thus the sickening depths of depravity/shocks sadly necessary (coming together in mutual suffering?)

That those who are more awake can choose to learn quicker lessons with the help of physicality - such route being a shorter 'cycle of learning than that available in 5th density?

Hard a it is to do so - it is imperative that throughout these hugely depressing times - ie The valley of the Shadow - we keep in mind the bigger universe (al) picture. Meaning how this opportunity is actually an extension of LOVE - a meaning of love that us earthlings struggle to understand.

By this I mean that we know that the absolute - therefore the universe - incorporates both axis (what we mistake for evil - in our concept of evil down here on 3d aka free will, path to ultimate STO etc etc) and love - (again, we find it hard to grasp this here too - for the same reasons). However, the 'current' balance in the universe it an equal combination of both negative and positive ie 'love' and evil' - without understanding one you cannot conceive of the other.

I put 'current' balance for the universe because how am I to know what ultimately happens in the universe once everyone and everything is at STO level - IF that is the intention or even possible - to maintain 'balance'.

Laura has covered many many important topics on a similar vein as well as various authors on our reading list - especially bringing in the ideas of universal laws of 7 and even 3 - especially for us down here with so many general laws to contend with.

Oddly enough I was discussing this very topic yesterday with my new friend I mentioned on the last transcript session -( a great guy who went back to the UK last night saying he cannot wait to devour the knowledge/learning here). And AGAIN - is that/this not ANOTHER reason why we might choose to 'weather the storms' here - as signposts to where true knowledge CAN be found and to give our planet/universe the chance to get to the critical 200 (or frequency equivalent?) in order to finally change the 'balance' and direction of our lovely blue/green marble?

How about the plans and discussions we hare hoping/intent on praying for - to envisage a positive outcome whereby the new 'world' that we would like to see commence on our planet can come into fruition/effect? Another positive intention to hold in our minds daily as the going gets tough. Even if we don't make the finishing line - we most probably came shed-loads closer (including gaining the insights to possibly utilize this new knowledge at a later time or in a different sphere/reality/environment)? Nothing is lost. There are no mistakes in the universe - only those (joke) made by plant hybrid entities!!

Nothing can be totally futile anyway. For starters all the extra knowledge we take with us. That alone - including such an incredible group link (especially thanks to the internet that people did not have the benefit of before) - means that we as a group have come together - though we don't know yet whether this is the first time or not.

Hard as it is - in these end (or beginning) times keeping alert/open to others and our environment to 'synchronous' events where we can help the universe, is more important than allowing all this dark stuff to overwhelm us methinks. OSIT (this is purely subjective of me though).

Strangely enough for me the above ideas have kept me more 'elevated' and seeing/intending positive relationship outcomes finally happen this year for me has totally changed my dark depressive 'victim' outlook on life. I am so pleased to say that since we rolled into 2016 I have not had one depressive/manic internal event. I do have to thank the forum contributors and Sott editors for this too though thanks to very timely and helpful soul searching/cleansing/understanding posts/articles. :)

 

[T.C.]

Life is tough, all too tough, and sometimes I don't even know why I got myself into this in the first place. Why do we do it? Why do we come into these bodies and suffer, literally by default?

Suffering makes us learn faster, so we can choose up or down.

Did we know, pre-incarnatively, what we were getting ourselves into? Were we naive, and expected humans to be more than what they are - which is biological automatons?

I don't know. It depends what you mean by pre-incarnatively. If you mean when we were a soul unit at level 7, then yes, we knew. If you mean when we were 3DSTO before the Lizzies tricked us, I'd say no, we didn't know. As for what info we have access to in the contemplation zone before each incarnation, I'd say we know what we need to learn, but we're not going to have any control over how we learn them.

The thing about reincarnation stumps me, because it suggests that there is an element of choice in the matter. And it implies that at some level, we chose this. (And therefore deserve every bit of it - how cruel!)

Which also implies at some level that our essence knows far more what's best for us than our personality does. If we can come to some understanding of what our essence knows in regard to these things - that all is lessons and we're here because we want to be where we fit in terms of our awareness - that can help alleviate the self-pity.

I am so very tired, and so weary of this life.

Maybe a clue to that is in what you wrote about "I'd agree only in that when the Universe is at odds with you..."

The Universe is never at odds with us. If we're struggling, it's because we're at odds with the Universe.

There is no "justice" to be had, and it is just wishful thinking to expect 99.999999% of humans to be anything more than what they are.

Why would you want anything to be anything more than what it is, whatever 'more' means. Is this a projection of a deep felt inadequacy on your part, do you think?

As far as justice is concerned, a wish or dream or hope of justice can also be rooted in pity for oneself and is a contributing factor of ponerogenesis (take Trump supporters, for example). It's a definite symptom of having to live in a subjectively unfair society and culture; the antidote is getting yourself (your predator's mind) out of the way by striving. As my Aunt always say, "Do your best and let God do the rest".

I'm tired of how life makes some suffer while others revel.

I think you're massively identified with your suffering and how unfair it is. I'm sorry you're going through this, Muxel.

It's good to let these things boil up to the surface so you can see them. But it's only one side of the equation. When I'm in the place you're in, once these things are allowed into the light, I then view them as gaps in my understanding. That's when I revisit The Wave and the teachings of Gurdjieff and anything else I can find to try to understand the point of it all. But it has to be done with the proper intent. If you want to plug the gaps in your awareness, you have to let the Universe know that's what you want and study and think from a place of, "Please, teach me. Show me more. Show me everything. I need to know."

You have to be suspicious and incredulous of your mind-frame and let the Universe know "I'm suffering because of what I believe, but I know deep down it must not be true, however real it feels right now."

I'm tired of all the competition that is inbuilt into our biology, and by extension, culture. I'm tired of how all this is Nature's "Grand Design". And we cannot change anything, we are merely God's pawns.

Again, this is written from a place of self-pity, a feeling of powerlessness and impotence.

Where do you really fit in, in the grand scheme of things, Muxel? When the cloud of doom and gloom that is over you eventually lifts, you'll be able to see the answer to that more objectively. Yes, on a certain level, we are pawns - but THAT is the thing we can change; we can change ourselves.

As far as being tired of how this is nature's grand design, again, that speaks to a feeling of powerlessness. Some things are in our domain, some are not.

What do we have to look forward to?

Another day of Work and school, learning and exploring, figuring out how we can be better, learning what it is that we want and how to achieve it.

There is nothing. Everything "happens".

At first, yes, everything just happens. But, the realisation of that is a first initiation and can be used as an impetus to improve things and improve ourselves, learn the laws that govern the chaotic state and the laws the bring more order.

"Everything happens" isn't meant to apply generally; it's specific to a time and a state. Why do you think the C's came through at all if there was no hope?

What did Gurdjieff have to hope for? There was nothing he could do - as he was - except die and then reincarnate into an entirely different reality!

Again, I think you're using Gurdjieff as a screen to project your own feelings onto, which suggests you're not exploring them within yourself and taking ownership of them. We cannot come to a personal realisation about hope unless we have a personal experience of despair.

What did the Biblical Yahweh tell Abraham? Find me one good man... just one good man, and I shall spare the city. And Abraham could not find even one. Automatons every last one of us.

In this case, Abraham is that part inside you looking for the light - the good man - in yourself. You don't see it, so you're finding self-expression in fatalism.

The answers are there, Muxel. Right now, the Universe is asking you how badly you want them.

All the best.

 

[Laura]

A selection of exchanges with the Cs during the numerous times when I was in the same state.

Q: (L) Can a spiritual being become entrapped in physical
matter?

A: It's possible but very unlikely.

Q: (L) Are human beings entrapped in physical matter?

A: By choice.

Q: (L) Why did they make this choice?

A: To experience physical sensations. It was a group mind
decision.

Q: (L) Who was in charge of the group?

A: The group.

Q: (L) Does the interaction between the spirit/soul and the
body physical produce some by-product that is desirable to
other beings?

A: Well, all things have desirable consequences as well as
undesirable consequences, but it must also be mentioned
here that everything that exists in all realms of the
universe can experience existence in one of only two ways.
That would be defined as a long wave cycle and a short
wave cycle. Going back to your previous question about
why humans are "entrapped" in physical existence, which,
of course, is voluntary and chosen, this was due to the
desire to change from the long wave cycle experience of
completely what you would call ethereal or spiritual
existence, to the short wave cycle of what you call
physical existence. The difference is that a long wave
cycle involves only very gradual change in evolution in a
cyclical manner. Whereas a short wave cycle involves a
duality. And this is the case with souls in physical
bodies as is experienced on this earth plane because the
soul experiences an ethereal state for half the cycle and
a physical state for the other half of the cycle. While
these halves are not measured in time the way you measure
time, the totality of experience is equal in each half.
The necessity to form the short wave cycle was brought
about through nature through the natural bounds of the
universe when the group mind of souls chose to experience
physicality as opposed to a completely ethereal existence.

Q: (L) Does this interaction produce a by-product?

A: It produces equal by-products of a positive and negative
nature.

Q: (L) And what are these by-products?

A: Which one first?

Q: (L) Positive.

A: Positive by-product is an increase in relative energy
which speeds up the learning process of the soul and all
of it's one dimensional and two dimensional interactive
partners. In other words, flora and fauna, minerals, etc.
All experience growth and movement towards reunion at a
faster rate on the cycle through this short wave cycle
physical/ethereal transfer. Of a negative nature, it
also produces many negative experiences for these very
same entities which otherwise would not exist because
being of a first level and second level nature, flora and
fauna would ordinarily experience a long term or long wave
cycle on the physical plane as opposed to a short wave
cycle physical and ethereal, as they do now because of
their interaction with the human species in its short wave
ethereal/physical cycle.

(L) The statement was made that we
all chose to be here, is that correct?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And we have chosen to work together for a distinct
purpose, is that correct?
A: Close.
Q: (L) And we have all, whether together or individually, we
all have a very distinct purpose and pathway to follow in
this life that was pre-chosen and pre-set, is that
correct?
A: That is true for all on level three.
Q: (L) And there is no one in this room who is here by
mistake, is that correct?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And there is no one in this room who doesn't need to
get about finding out what their purpose is by doing each
day what is in front of them, is that correct?
A: Close. But, beware of attack and desires to "push" things
in any given direction, which is a manifestation of
attack! Just let things fall into place naturally!

Q: (L) This recent 'awakening' or period of seeing things
with such clarity, as they really were, and the whole
picture of the interactions between people and how truly
ugly it can be. I plunged into a terrible depression. I
needed to get my balance from seeing so much all at once.
Can you explain to me what was going on?

A: Growth.

Q: (L) I tried to share this perception with other people,
and almost without exception, when I said to people that I
was finally seeing things in their true state and it was
NOT a pretty picture, they all said "well, you are
obviously seeing this through the eyes of some major
spirit possession!" Why would they say this?

A: First of all, it is not correct to perceive "everything in
such darkness and gloom, etc." That is merely the result
of a cocoon of falsehood being removed. Celebrate the
balance. Don't mourn the death of an illusion of an
imbalance.

Q: (L) Where do I go from here? Where do we all go?

A: Everywhere.

A:... Here is something for you to digest: Why is it that
your scientists have overlooked the obvious when they
insist that alien beings cannot travel to earth from a
distant system???

Q: And what is this obvious thing?

A: Even if speed of light travel, or "faster," were not
possible, and it is, of course, there is no reason why an
alien race could not construct a space "ark," living for
many generations on it. They could travel great distances
through time and space, looking for a suitable world for
conquest. Upon finding such, they could then install this
ark in a distant orbit, build bases upon various solid
planes in that solar system, and proceed to patiently
manipulate the chosen civilizations to develop a suitable
technological infrastructure. And then, after the
instituting of a long, slow, and grand mind programming
project, simply step in and take it over once the
situation was suitable.

Q: Is this, in fact, what has happened, or is happening?

A: It could well be, and maybe now it is the time for you to
learn about the details.

Q: Well, would such a race be 3rd or 4th density in
orientation?

A: Why not elements of both?

Q: What is the most likely place that such a race would have
originated from?

A: Oh, maybe Orion, for example?

Q: Okay. If such a race did, in fact, travel to this location
in space/time, how many generations have come and gone on
their space ark during this period of travel, assuming, of
course, that such a thing has happened?

A: Maybe 12.

Q: Okay, that implies that they have rather extended life
spans...

A: Yes...

Q: Assuming this to be the case, what are their lifespans?

A: 2,000 of your years.

Q: Okay, assuming such a bunch have traveled...

A: When in space, that is...

Q: And what is the span when on terra firma?

A: 800 years.

Q: Well, has it not occurred to them that staying in space
might not be better?

A: No. Planets are much more "comfortable."

Q: Okay... imagining that such a group has traveled here...

A: We told you of upcoming conflicts... Maybe we meant the
same as your Bible, and other references. Speak of... The
"final" battle between "good and evil..." Sounds a bit
cosmic, when you think of it, does it not?

Q: Does this mean that there is more than one group that has
traveled here in their space arks?

A: Could well be another approaching, as well as
"reinforcements" for either/or, as well as non-involved,
but interested observers of various types who appreciate
history from the sidelines.

Q: Well, SWELL! There goes my peaceful life!

A: You never had one!

Q: Well, I was planning on one! Is this one of those items
we should NOT put on the net, or are you addressing it
because you want it on the net?

A: We will leave that until a bit later.

Q: Any other comment?

A: You chose to be incarnated now, with some foreknowledge of
what was to come. Reference your dreams of space attack.

Q: Why did I have so many children?

A: This is what you chose to do at several levels.

Q: It is a very great responsibility.

A: It is a great responsibility, but you have learned many
lessons as a result. Prior to this incarnation you
requested a "fast track," as the popular parlance would
indicate, for ascension to the next level. You were told,
as all were who request this, that such a challenge would
be difficult, indeed. And, as is your soul imprint
characteristic, you responded that, in your opinion, the
challenge was not nearly as great as others perceived it.
But, of course, those others giving the message were of
higher density and, therefore, by nature, had much greater
awareness and knowledge.

Q: Are you saying I have bitten off more than I can chew?

A: Well, that would be rather presumptive, would it not?
After all, the chewing process has not been completed, now
has it?

Q: No. But it is a very great worry and concern that never
goes away.

A: Well, this has never been any different, has it?

Q: (L) Now, the big question is: what are we supposed to DO
with this information?

A: As with all else, it is not what you should do with it, it
is just that you have it.

Q: (L) Is there any possibility of defeating the plans of the
4th density STS in this project?

A: Is there any possibility of defeating the Spanish
Conquistadores and the English, French, Dutch and German
"colonists?"

Q: (F) Did they say what I think they said? (L) Yes. That
is inexpressibly depressing.

A: And you expected a Rose Garden?

Q: (L) If that's the way it is, why don't we all join the
Heaven's Gate cult and commit mass suicide and just not
deal with all this stuff?!

A: You chose to "deal with it," now did you not?

Q: (L) Well, was I in my right mind when I made that choice,
or had I been drinking?

A: No drinking on 5th density!

Q: (L) Now, I have been having an exchange with Carla McCarty
who was the Ra channel. She says that we are not supposed
to DO anything, we are just supposed to BE, and what we
are supposed to BE is to just let love flow through us,
love the aliens and everybody and just sort of relax in
the tulips and, if they take us over, then we should LOVE
that, too. Somehow, I don't find this...

A: All there is is lessons!!

Q: (L) Is the lesson to learn how to give up the ghost with
panache? What's the point?

A: Your experiences never end, only transform. No
bodycentrics need apply.

Q: (L) Well, you once said something about the transition to
4th density creating a 'level playing field.' Then, the
people will wake up and there will be a battle between the
humans and aliens...

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And if it is a more level playing field, then the
situation would not quite be the same as the
Conquistadores against the Aztecs and the Native Americans
against the Europeans and...

A: Wrong, all in that drama were at 3rd density. The
rabbits, rats, dogs, etc. are not on a level playing field
with you!

Q: (L) Do the aliens know about the upcoming comets and all
that sort of thing?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And they have the idea that what they are doing, this
race they are creating, is going to survive this
cataclysmic activity?

A: Of course.

Q: (L) Is that 'of course' as in they ARE going to survive,
or that they BELIEVE they are going to survive?

A: Both.

Q: (L) Okay, you once told us that this was like a 'cosmic
battle.' That the cycle was going to create balance and
so on. I am trying to understand this. If that is the
case, it seems that there is more to it than the
Conquistadores against the Aztecs and the Europeans
against the Native Americans; that at some point the story
changes - the oppressed fight back - I am trying to get
the allegory into a more understandable framework. Do you
see what I mean?

A: No.

Q: (L) Well, that is because I am confused. What I am trying
to ask without asking it directly is: what chance do we
have of doing anything?

A: You are still not seeing the "bigger picture."

Q: (L) What is the bigger picture?

A: Your souls, your consciousness.

Q: (L) So, in other words, we chose to come in at this
particular point in time to experience this mass take over
of our planet and the conquest and destruction of the
human race, just so we could have this experience, check-
out and reincarnate?

A: No.

Q: (L) Well, that is what it sounds like! You say that the
only thing that really matters is our souls, our
consciousness, so if we tend to our souls and our bodies
check out, then obviously the answer is to a) reincarnate,
or b) move to the next density and reincarnate. What
other option is there?

A: How long did you expect to "live?"

Q: (L) Well, under the normal circumstance, 70 or 80 years,
optimistically.

A: And is that long?

Q: (L) No, it is not. By cosmic standards it is a whiff of
vapor. What are you getting at here?

A: Think about it. ? Have you had any contemporaries who
transited to 5th density?

Q: (L) Yes.

A: How come? How can this be possible?

Q: (L) Because they died. The body died.

A: Why?

Q: (L) Because that is what bodies do.

A: But is it "fair?"

Q: (L) Is it fair?! I guess if that is what they choose.

A: And...

Q: (L) I don't know where you are going with this!

A: You seem to be under the impression that only "good
experiences are acceptable.

Q: (L) No, I am not under the impression that only good
experiences are acceptable, but I AM in a little bit of a
quandary here because, here we are talking to you guys who
are supposed to be 'us' in the future. Here we are in
this period of time on this planet, where things are in a
very strange state. There is some kind of huge transition
going on, and I am just wondering what is the whole point.
Why are we talking to you? What's the point?

A: It is the lesson. Do you not understand still? The
lesson, the lessons, that is all there is. They are all
immeasurably valuable.

Q: (L) Okay, we are having these lessons. You have told us
what is going on. We see it going on around us. I am
convinced that what you have said is so from a LOT of
other circumstantial evidence as well as the research of
others who have come to the same conclusion and, DAMN IT,
IT'S UGLY! DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME?! IT'S UGLY!

A: That is your perspective.

Q: (L) Well, as Chloe said on the phone the other day, what
are we supposed to awaken to? Are we supposed to just
awaken to the fact that we can SEE all this stuff going
on?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And just waking up and seeing it is the whole thing?
Okay, once we wake up and SEE it, why can't we just check
out at that point? If you know what the script is, you
don't have to watch the movie!

A: But then you miss out on the experience.

Q: (L) So, we are all here to experience being munched and
crunched...

A: No.

Q: (L) Imprisoned, controlled, being treated like rats in a
cage in a laboratory...

A: Ecstasy, remember?

Q: (L) Ecstasy?! WELL SWELL! We can just ALL be BURNED AT
THE STAKE! I understand that is QUITE an ECSTATIC
experience! I'm sure William Wallace felt perfectly
ecstatic when they castrated him and removed his bowels
and burned them in a brazier in front of his face!

A: Not so long ago, your face smashed upon the pavement...

Q: (L) Was that an ecstatic experience?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, when you say 'ecstatic' you could just be talking
about jumping out a window and croaking?! You gotta
understand here! The perspective here on 3rd density!
You don't have faces to smash on pavements!

A: Neither will/do you/us.

Q: (A) You say knowledge protects. It protects against WHAT?

A: Many things. One example: post transformational trauma
and confusion.

Q: (L) So, knowledge is going to protect us against post
transformational trauma and confusion. You are saying
that this transition to 4th density is going to be
traumatic and confusing. Do you mean transformation from
3rd to 4th density, or 3rd to 5th density, i.e. death?

A: Both.

Q: (L) So, if one does not have the shock and trauma and the
confusion and so forth, one is then able to function
better?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, if a person transitions directly from 3rd to 4th
density without cycling through 5th density via dying,
that implies that persons can transition directly from
3rd to 4th density without dying. Is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How does that feel? How is that experience...

A: Alice through the looking glass.

Q: (A) Okay, they say that knowledge is supposed to protect
from trauma and confusion. On the other hand, all is
lessons, so trauma is a lesson. Why are we supposed to
work to avoid a lesson?

A: You are correct, it is a lesson, but if you have
foreknowledge, you are learning that lesson early, and in
a different way.

Q: (L) So, if you learn the lesson in a different way, does
that mitigate the need or the way or the process of the
way of learning at the time of transition?

A: Yes. Smoother.

Q: (L) I do have to say that thinking about it all, not being
able to do anything about it, not being able to talk to
people about it because they don't believe, is certainly
more painful than being hit by the shock of it...

A: No.

Q: (L) Well, you are suggesting that I CAN tell others such
things?

A: You can convey, but suggest it be done in a subtle
fashion.

Q: (L) Well, how subtle can it be? I mean, 'hello folks, you
know the words munch, crunch, yum yum???'

A: It is not all that way, and you know it! Most are not
eaten, just manipulated. Knowledge protects in the most
amazing ways. Mathematics are "taught' in your realm in
such a way that only a select few will learn. And
mathematics is the language of all creation. For example,
advanced math studies, such as algebra, provide the keys
to unlocking the doors between the matter and antimatter
universes. Suggest those present who still need to, learn
algebra.

Q: (L) Okay, you suggest that those present learn algebra...

A: Who need to.

Q: (L) Are you saying that we can unlock doors between matter
and anti-matter universes? Is that what you are getting
at here?

A: Maybe...

Q: (L) I certainly don't want to hang out on this planet
after it is taken over by aliens and everybody is getting
munched!

A: Munched? Please!!

Q: (L) Well, of course. I know that the Reptoids and Grays are STS, and they ARE 4th density, in which fact is the implicit understanding that they are more POLARIZED in the STS mode, which of course implies a deeper level of nastiness, and that any of them existing as STO beings is so rare that it is not worth considering. I also have done sufficient research on the density levels, outside of channelled sources that this is pretty much a given historically speaking, and mathematically speaking...

A: the grays and reptoids are STS, and so are YOU. So we suppose that means that someone, somewhere, regards third density terran humans as the "bad guys."

Q: (L) Oh, yeah. The roaches, particularly. As far as they are concerned, I am either an avenging god, or the devil! A reader writes: "Laura, I commend you on your vision, fortitude, courage... I have read most of the material with great interest. It feels right, but I have a couple of questions: I can't reconcile the idea of our being trapped or lured (by sensuality) into a physical state with the idea that we have progressed through the vegetative and animal states." This is a good question. It seems that the energy of creation has progressed through the vegetative and animal states, that animals can graduate to third density and become human, just as humans can graduate to 4th density. How do we reconcile this with the idea that human souls were entrapped into third density bodies from 4th density, by the Lizards? Are we talking about two different functions? Two different groups?

A: Humans were not entrapped by the "Lizards."

Q: (B) We volunteered! (L) Well, they did say that the Lizards were waiting for the right soul matrix to "step in." So, we were the right soul matrix and we stepped into these engineered bodies that the Lizards created. That's what you said. So, how do we reconcile us stepping into these engineered third density bodies with soul evolution through the vegetative and animal states?

A: If you look more closely at the material, it was not stated that the consciousness levels currently represented by humans and many others "stepped into" anything in particular but PHYSICALITY.

Q: (F) Perhaps individual consciousness units have stepped into different physical forms. Some may have "stepped" in as humans right off the bat, and some may have done otherwise. (B) You can't get hung up on any kind of evolutionary system. It's just an ongoing and concurrent thing.. (F) It is simply that WE chose to experience physicality in many forms, maybe simultaneous rather than in a linear progression, but since we perceive time the way we do, it seems that it is a progression. We could be all kinds of things in other realities. (L) So that relates back to the idea of "simultaneous disbursement?" Half of The All chose to "fall asleep" as matter, and other "units" or groups chose to interact with matter by "informing" it with life of all different varieties, more or less simultaneously? So we can have souls that are slow accretions out of matter over the long wave cycle, moving through the densities over aeons, and souls that thought they would speed things up a bit by a different method of entering directly into bodies and changing them. Well, that seems like a sort of "right off the bat" violation of the free will of the energies of such bodies and their emerging consciousnesses in the long wave cycle. That right there is STS even if it was not realized as such at the time. And such an act could have some tremendous implications in terms of what you have called a "desire based imbalance." It takes us back to the story of the Prodigal Son. So we have a very complex idea of souls and their evolution in more than one mode.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And in the end, it is a timeless mass division and disbursement that was, is and will be?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Why am I the ones who always get to suffer? Huh? I would like an answer to that!

A: You chose your path.

Q: (L) Was I in my right mind when I made that choice? [laughter]

 

[Joe]

Hi Muxel, I too know very well what you mean. Been there, done that, still do it from time to time. I think it's safe to say that there are many, many people here (and possibly elsewhere) who feel the same. I've been thinking about these things a lot recently and it seems to me (right now) that it all comes down to perspective, i.e. what you focus on (but that usually changes as you go along).

Everything the Cs have said about the meaning of life and the universe etc. is so far removed from our daily life experience that it sounds like pure fantasy. I mean, 4D? variable physicality? Really? A reality where whatever you think of becomes reality? Really? While such things might be interesting to contemplate, the problem seems to be that if we put any kind of absolute faith in them being real or true, we're bound to reach the point where we lose that faith, because there is no way for us to verify any of it. So are we just fooling ourselves?

The only faith I can put in the Cs is the information that we have been able to prove, more or less, to be true and accurate. And to be honest, among the vast reams of information provided, there is very little that can be categorically proven to be true. In fact, most of it by definition is unprovable and if it is to be taken at all, must be taken on faith or blind belief. But as I said, that's a dangerous thing to do if you're looking for some kind of certainty.

So my suggestion is that you just put all of the unprovable stuff on the shelf, and work instead with information that you can verify as useful in helping to progress towards your aim. So what is your aim? My aim is to develop those parts of myself that are undeveloped at present. Knowledge, understanding, capacity for love and compassion, intellectual, emotional and bodily health. Where is that leading me? Somewhere special? I don't know. What I DO know is that it can and does make my life richer and more interesting and it allows me to be more able to help others for whom I care. In that process of self-development, there is, for some reason, a decent amount of suffering. But it doesn't stay around forever, it's changing pretty constantly, if only in small subtle ways.

Is that all there is to life? Maybe. If so, then that's what we have to reconcile ourselves to. Fixating on what happens after death and what the meaning of life is, is kind of pointless, because the answers to those questions, whatever they are, can only be discovered through the process of life, and even then they are only YOUR answers.

"What's the meaning of walking along this 100km path?" asked the person when he/she reached the 20km mark. The answer, obviously, is that you have to keep going and you'll probably figure it out progressively as you go along. When you reach the end there might be a good bit of understanding, but most of the understanding will be from looking back over the 100kms and the kind of experience it was. There might not be some grandiose meaning to it, it might just be that the meaning was to walk the path and learn 'stuff' along the way.

So there probably is no "meaning of life" that is the same for every sentient being, except perhaps in a general sense of "having experiences". The meaning of life to a person who has never engaged in any effort to develop themselves, for example, is probably different to a person who has and does work to develop such things. Why? Because they focus on different things and thereby give a different meaning to their lives.

It seems that the only really meaningful power we have in this life is choice, and even then it is limited. At every moment we are faced with choices. Even for you now, there is a choice about what to do about the way you are feeling and seeing things. If we do enough work to 'clean our machines' we can increase our ability to make truly independent choices about what we do or do not do, and those choices are more 'independent' or objective as a result of the process of figuring out or cleaning out the clutter in our minds and hearts, programs, beliefs, etc. that we absorbed throughout our lives.

So for me, that brings life down to a pretty basic and simplistic level: 1) having a fairly simple aim of improving the quality of our lives, in a real way, and the lives of others (or whatever your aim is). 2) The myriad choices that confront us every day and learning how to make choices that move us towards that aim, or away from it. Everything else, is pure speculation and there's not really much point in working ourselves up over it.

To break it down even further, what the point of your life is, is to decide 1) What do I want to do? 2) Is it doable? 3) How do I do it? 4) Making efforts to do it.

Note, most people don't even get to the point of asking or answering question 1 in any real or objective way. Because for most people today, what they want to do is told to them by outside influences.

 

[Laura]

The issue makes me think of a song that was often sung in church when I was growing up. It was based on the answer to the question that is offered by the three mainstream monotheistic religions. I really loved the song because it put in words the same questions I was asking though I thought the answer was useless. Still think that, but still love the song. In the end, I guess that's why I undertook the Cs experiment: Cs answers are more interesting and even sensible though, as Joe says, we can't prove them and some things have to be taken under advisement and maybe based on circumstantial evidence. I guess that's why I wrote The Wave.... to lay out all the threads and examine them.

Anyway, enjoy the song:

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[Chad]

The main question boils down to "What is the purpose of life?" Is this just a random sick joke or is there a higher purpose behind it? I don't really have an answer to that, so I have constructed one that helps me to get through this life as best I can. [...]

What i found interesting in the Martha Stout book was that she said, those who had been through some of the worst situations and had ended up in therapy, were the one's with the strongest desire to figure out why they bothered to survive it all in the first place.

As my Aunt always say, "Do your best and let God do the rest".

Here we delve into Woo-woo Land. I can't speak for anyone else, but I can tell you how I perceive things.

Right now, things are dark. But, I have faith that what I am doing will make some kind difference, in some way. Where does this faith come from? What is it faith in? I have no idea. It's just there. It's just some kind of mystical driving force inside me that's so powerful, it could stop a tornado dead in its tracks, or seal the Earth back up after a huge quake. It isn't a fire - it's more like a million blazing stars of infinite size that could melt the whole universe in the blink of an eye. It's BIG. It grows larger every time I let go of how things should be, or of how I want them to be.

I may not save the world, but I will do SOMETHING that will create a bit of light. That's all I can do.

Beautifully put, and though i feel you Muxel, i think eventually this is a realisation for many of us. Though as you are doing, you have to see the house is on fire before you can even think about how to put it out, or at least that you need to get out.

[...]

Well, I see people grow. I see nations suddenly and inexplicably become a force for good against all the other nations who can't seem to do anything but destroy (relatively speaking). I see the life's work on psychopathy of a now deceased Polish psychiatrist suddenly talked about on The Huffington Post, of all places! I see and feel the desperation of the psychos who are losing control. At any minute, I expect them to just swat all the chess pieces off the board in a fit of rage, because for possibly the first time ever, things aren't always going their way.

Those are some very solid examples imo.