Is it all our own fault? Why did we do it?

Laura said:
Well, that's a pretty dark view of things and I can sure understand it; been there, done that. What keeps me going is the thought of how sad it would be for the universe to come to an end without "one good man"... so, I will be that person as far as I am able.

The point of reaching that decision in the Wave always stood out to me, so for those that may not remember or are going through a similar 'stripping to the bone' I think it's worth revisiting.

The Wave Chapter 46: The Theological Reality
[..]And that is what happened during that period from the dream of the Kiss in March, to the moment when I realized that everything I had ever believed in was a lie, and I was being asked by the universe if I was willing to pay everything. And pay I did; in advance. During the period following my separation, as my energy was no longer being drained daily, the manifestation in the body was the evidence of the price I was paying. Everything in my physical system cried out against this view of the world of human affairs, the view of predators and prey, and I wept tears of blood and pus from my eyes to the point that I nearly lost my sight altogether.

There, at that moment, in the middle of my life, mother to five children for whom I had given most of my life, I saw that not only had I been lying to myself by believing lies and deception, but that I had conveyed those same lies to the people I loved the most – my children.

What do you do when you realize that most of your life you have given away your free will and, at the same time, have taken away the free will of those dearest to you? More horrible still, what do you do when you realize it has all been done in the name of love?!

When the last illusion was stripped away and I was left with nothing but the skeleton of my being, I reached what Kafka describes as “Von einem gewissen Punkt an gibt es keine Rückkehr mehr. Dieser Punkt ist zu erreichen.” “There is a point of no return. This point has to be reached.”

When you have been stripped of all your illusions, when you have nothing left to believe in, there is no one there at all but yourself. It felt rather like falling endlessly in icy, black, meaningless space. No rhyme nor reason, no truth or beauty, no anything that I had ever believed in could be seen anywhere. I had peeled away the layers of all the warm, fuzzy, comforting beliefs and found that it was all a lie, a deception, a mask for feeding and manipulation.

By believing the lies, I had participated in the feeding and manipulating to so great a degree that my grief and regret became an ocean in which I was drowning. No wonder we resist giving up our beliefs! Without them, we have to face the truth about ourselves! And, as much as we think we are loving, caring, giving beings, when we see the truth, when we see that most of our ideas about loving and caring and being have been manipulated to deprive us of our free will and to pass the infection on to those we love the most, it is like looking into the pit of Hell.

And when you look into the pit of Hell and realize that you have been feeding that black and bloody, sucking and gaping and gore filled maw waiting to swallow you, and that you have taught those you love to feed it as well, the horror of the realization is enough to drive you mad with grief and despair.

You search for a meaning, some little point of illumination, and there is no light anywhere, not even a single candle to dispel the darkness.

[..]

But, while falling in this dark, empty space, something begins to form inside you. In the beginning it is very small, but it catches your attention and, since it is the only thing that is different in the sucking, feeding darkness, you become riveted on it. You cannot be sure exactly what it is at first, but your attention gives it energy and it begins to grow inside you.

What you have found is your will – the spiritual essence of who you are – and once you have found your will you see “the choice.” Choice is a function of will. Where Will exists, Choice comes into being. You can choose. What you see is that you can choose the orientation of your soul. You cannot change the reality, but you can choose what you will personally do within it.

The way the thought came to me was, “Well, okay, I don’t see any light or love or truth or beauty anywhere; and the universe may just blink out one day without it ever having really existed. But that would be a tragedy.”

Desolation overwhelmed me and I felt so great a pity and love for what might have been – for what radiant and sublime dreams may be in the Mind of God that might never be fulfilled, because the deceptions are so deep, and the reality is so monstrous – who can really see it, and survive?

And I became aware of the feather-like weight of my inclination, my True Will to Be. It was not more than an inclination, a propensity, a preference. But as I noted it and focused on it, it became firmer and purposeful.

And I realized, “I am just one single, solitary, lone being in the darkness, and there really and truly might never, ever, be anyone or anything in existence of real love, truth and beauty.” And the sadness and despair vaulted from my soul into darkness that enveloped me. But nothing answered except that my attention was drawn back, again, to this small thing that was growing inside me which had now begun to glow and give off warmth in that soul-chilling blackness. Somehow my thoughts were making it grow. My thoughts were aligning me with it.

Resolution and steadfastness began to blossom. And then I realized that it was connected to some greater source of Light and by my penitential love and compassion for the Dream of Love and Truth, the light was increasing. And I understood that the darkness, the predatory nature of our reality, was also God!

Disasters, misfortunes, tragedies, ruin, destruction, adversity, suffering, pain, anguish in all the varied manifestations we find them in our world are expressions of the idea of nonexistence. I understood that the idea of nonexistence exists only as an idea, and only because, in a realm of all potentials, even the potential of nonexistence exists as non-being. In the two fundamental ideas of Being and Non-being, all creation is manifested. In the act of Creation, the outrush of creative energy, half of the Consciousness of God formed itself into a reflection of this idea of Non-being as part of the Grand Experience. And this reflection of Non-being is matter – it is only the half of the Consciousness of God gone to sleep to become the clay from which the material cosmos is formed.

I also understood that, in that eternal instant of falling asleep, of compression, there was a sensation of loss in this half of God that became matter, and that this sensation is expressed as a recoil, a contraction upon itself. It is this recoil and contraction in flux interaction with outraying creative consciousness that establishes the tension of polarization that is the dynamic by which the cosmos is manifested. And, in third-density terms, this recoil or contraction is the essence of service-to-self – the Predator – those who choose this mode ultimately recycle into sleeping matter.

The creative-consciousness half of God uses the matter that is formed by the recoil/contraction of the other half of God to take on form, to engage in exploration of all the ideas in the mind of God. This results in an increase of its relative energy. This using of matter to increase energy is felt by the sleeping consciousness/matter as fear of loss of self. To assuage the fear, the matter-oriented consciousness must circumscribe, limit, and restrain. It must believe that the grand constructions of illusion are not only real, but all that exists. Physicality becomes the standard, the measure, the object of veneration. The Physical Universe is, in effect, God. This is the essential dynamic of all physical or partly physical realities, including the hyperdimensional fourth-density STS reality.

The moment of true initiation. It seems that, as the great masters teach us, it is not a moment of great enlightenment. It is not someone who comes to show us reality. It is not a seeing all the world as a oneness. It is seeing the self as a liar and a feeder on others. It is measuring the self with truth. It is seeing that the Predator has been feeding on the self, that the self has been feeding on others and propagating the infection on to all those whom one claims to love and wishes to help. Initiation is not a glorious in-pouring of life and love and tears for the beauty and oneness of the world.

It is sheer terror.

It is a descent into Hell. It is the Shamanic descent into the underworld to do battle with demons. It is the dismemberment of the body, the flaying of the flesh from the bones, and the subsequent rebuilding of the self on a different foundation – a foundation of spiritual verity.

And if I could convey to you that Hell, that sensation, that solitary test in which the soul is weighed, by the self, finally and completely and seen for what it has truly done, you would see how little truth there is because of all the beliefs of the Matrix that have been inculcated and promulgated and tended so carefully by our emotions and by the deceptions of the predator within who convinces us that we are “good” and “pure” and there is “oneness.”

Indeed, one sees that there is “oneness,” but one sees that the aspect of God that is experienced at this level is the black, sucking, feeding maw of STS. One sees how little true Love is actually manifested at this level of being. One sees that all of our illusions about goodness and truth and beauty are lies. They are masks for more feeding.

And that is so horrifying an initiation that few survive.

That is “paying everything.”
 
obyvatel said:
At the end of the day, it is up to Muxel to make what he wishes and is able to out of such interactions. The general discussion on the "existential" questions he brought up may be helpful to others.

Yes, I think many here would agree that they went through a similar stage of feeling the futility of existence on this planet and longing for the comets. And it doesn't mean that this feeling won't return from time to time. But I also agree that each of us has a choice of either "making a lemonade" with all the lemons that we were given, or not. Often it takes years to even understand that we have this choice, but that's another story.

Recently I started reading Dostoyevsky's The Brothers Karamazov. There is the following quote right at the beginning of the book:

Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds. ~ John 12:24

I suspect that nihilistic view of creation maybe a necessary stage of personal disintegration, and what a person will choose to do with this realization will determine if the disintegration will be positive or not.
 
I was singing this song this morning and thought of this thread.

Cry of Achilles

Crying out!
Now you can't escape you are buried in doubt
And it pulls you down
Now you're in too deep
You may never get out
Such an awful... fate

Tear it down
It's almost too late is the end coming now?
As you scream out loud
You sever the peace
Till your truth has been found

Is there nothing left to follow?
Is there nothing left to steal?
Crying out for something more than I've been shown
Knowing none of this is real

(chorus)
Don't close your eyes
Something beautiful is still alive
Don't close your eyes
Never turn away and let it die

I cannot seem to find the answers
Every truth has slipped away
All that riddles me will never cease to be
Still I search this world in vain

Don't close your eyes
Something beautiful is still alive
Don't close your eyes
Never turn away and let it die

Cry out to save tomorrow
It's not too late
Or your heavy heart will follow
you to the grave

This is not the end
This is not the end

(chorus)

We can't hesitate, hope it's not too late
For the time has come, what have we become?
Nothing left to do but (don't) deny the truth
 
whitecoast said:
IMO, the only true wholesale rejection of this reality, the biggest fu you can give it, is to be the brightest and most creative light you can be (like Laura said). That is introducing something entirely foreign into this STS world and transforming it.

It's important to validate those negative feelings time and again, since we all have them, but it's important also to not "believe in them" or treat them as resembling the actual nature of things (other than at a very superficial level). FWIW.

I agree. There is also something that the Cs said in May 2014:

A: Service to others. Notice that the people with the most problems that always talk only about themselves and their troubles, are the ones who do and give the least. They do not have confidence in he universal law of LIFE: Get things moving and you create a vacuum in your life into which energy can flow.[...] Balance! A portion of a day can be spent on reflection, but not too much. This is the Wetiko Virus: obsession with the self and subjective personal issues. The next time you feel yourself slipping into despair, just tell others how you are feeling and think of something you can do for another to prevent them from suffering the same feelings. [letters come more slowly now:] Thus you will witness the birth of true empathy. [...] Very often significant life changing events take some time and energy to push through. But it will be accomplished with persistence. Also, along with tonight's theme, you can increase the energy flow by creating a vacuum by giving and doing!

I think the same can be said about the feelings of despair and lack of hope, if one lets them last too long. There is work to do, and we can do it. That for me is hope that comes with Doing, and not Doing because I "hope" (anticipate) a result. Hope comes almost from seeing results AFTER, and thinking, well, what else might happen if I do my best to add a tiny bit of light to this darkness, even if it feels insignificant? It's not "unfair" when you look at it that way. It becomes your responsibility, and then, the Universe decides.

The world could definitely be a better place from our subjective point of view. But we don't know until we do our best to help that outcome come about, even if it's just "holding a frequency", and idea, truth, for it to survive us. It's not about our comfort, or what we did wrong to deserve this existence, but about what we can do to be the best we can, and then see. OSIT. Personally, I am grateful for the opportunity, and for having that drive to try it over and over even when I fail.
 
Chu said:
A: Service to others. Notice that the people with the most problems that always talk only about themselves and their troubles, are the ones who do and give the least. They do not have confidence in he universal law of LIFE: Get things moving and you create a vacuum in your life into which energy can flow.[...] Balance! A portion of a day can be spent on reflection, but not too much. This is the Wetiko Virus: obsession with the self and subjective personal issues. The next time you feel yourself slipping into despair, just tell others how you are feeling and think of something you can do for another to prevent them from suffering the same feelings. [letters come more slowly now:] Thus you will witness the birth of true empathy. [...] Very often significant life changing events take some time and energy to push through. But it will be accomplished with persistence. Also, along with tonight's theme, you can increase the energy flow by creating a vacuum by giving and doing!

Was just about to post this quote, I think it's great practical advice. At the end of the day, when we're in a funk or depressed etc. what we need is a practical, positive approach to dealing with it, and with the all important reminder that, while it takes effort and may be difficult, you CAN do it! It IS possible, you just have to Try, and Do, and keep doing. It's like getting thrown off a horse over and over again. After the 20th time you might FEEL like giving up, and you might engage in all sorts of "what's the point!?" thinking, but then you realise that you don't HAVE to give, no one is forcing you to, it IS your choice, and you do have the energy (ok, maybe after a short rest) to get back up, and get back in the saddle. For me, this is where faith or hope lies, in our own ability to keep on keeping on, come what may, with a little help from each other. :D
 
Hi Muxel , you're a lucky, because with your depressive thoughts have managed to get those important thoughts from Laura and the forumites, that have nothing to waste. This is how life is, muxel.

One of the most amazing things in the book "In Search of the Miraculous" of Ouspensky (Chapter 13): People should sacrifice their suffering, but nothing is more difficult to sacrifice. One man give up any pleasure before his own suffering. the man is done well, it sticks to this but more than anything else. and yet it is essential to get rid of suffering. Whoever does not is free from the, whoever has not sacrificed his suffering, can not do THE WORK.

IN PEACE

Poem of Amado Nervo Mexican poet (August 27, 1870, Tepic, Nayarit - May 24, 1919, Montevideo, Uruguay).

Very close to my sunset, I bless you, life,
Because you never gave me no false hope,
or unfair work, or undeserved punishment;

Because I see the end of my rough road
I was the architect of my own destiny;

That if I Extracted the honey or the gall of things,
It was Because They put gall or honey tasty:
When I planted rosebushes I always harvested roses.

... True, my blossoms will follow the winter:
But thou not tell me That May was eternal!

Certainly I found long nights of my sorrows;
but I promised not only good nights;
and i had some serene Instead holy ...

I loved, I was loved, the sun caressed my face.
Life's nothing owe me! Life, we are at peace!


EN PAZ

Muy cerca de mi ocaso, yo te bendigo, vida,
porque nunca me diste ni esperanza fallida,
ni trabajos injustos, ni pena inmerecida;

porque veo al final de mi rudo camino
que yo fui el arquitecto de mi propio destino;

que si extraje las mieles o la hiel de las cosas,
fue porque en ellas puse hiel o mieles sabrosas:
cuando planté rosales, coseché siempre rosas.

...Cierto, a mis lozanías va a seguir el invierno:
¡mas tú no me dijiste que mayo fuese eterno!

Hallé sin duda largas las noches de mis penas;
mas no me prometiste tan sólo noches buenas;
y en cambio tuve algunas santamente serenas...

Amé, fui amado, el sol acarició mi faz.
¡Vida, nada me debes! ¡Vida, estamos en paz!
 
Scottie said:
Personally, I don't think there is any hope.

By that I mean that too often, we sit back and "hope" for something better. Hope as it is normally used and abused simply means that nothing changes, because no one does anything. Instead, everyone expects somebody else do something.

So no, there isn't much hope, and there shouldn't be any.

And yeah, life here seems so futile sometimes. Why even bother? It's all just going to go down the toilet, right?

Maybe. Maybe not.

Here we delve into Woo-woo Land. I can't speak for anyone else, but I can tell you how I perceive things.

Right now, things are dark. But, I have faith that what I am doing will make some kind difference, in some way. Where does this faith come from? What is it faith in? I have no idea. It's just there. It's just some kind of mystical driving force inside me that's so powerful, it could stop a tornado dead in its tracks, or seal the Earth back up after a huge quake. It isn't a fire - it's more like a million blazing stars of infinite size that could melt the whole universe in the blink of an eye. It's BIG. It grows larger every time I let go of how things should be, or of how I want them to be.

I may not save the world, but I will do SOMETHING that will create a bit of light. That's all I can do.

So, this is what I do. What effects does it have?

Well, I see people grow. I see nations suddenly and inexplicably become a force for good against all the other nations who can't seem to do anything but destroy (relatively speaking). I see the life's work on psychopathy of a now deceased Polish psychiatrist suddenly talked about on The Huffington Post, of all places! I see and feel the desperation of the psychos who are losing control. At any minute, I expect them to just swat all the chess pieces off the board in a fit of rage, because for possibly the first time ever, things aren't always going their way. I experience the splitting of realities, where I literally have 2 memories of the same point in time: I remember that A and B happened on the same day, at the same time.

None of this is really "possible", and yet it is. None of it is really about ME, and yet it is.

And sure, it's not all rainbows and unicorns. It will NEVER be all rainbows and unicorns, because in this place I'm not sure that's possible. That's not what this plane of existence or density or whatever you want to call it is about. If all were rainbows and unicorns, I'd be totally bored and incredibly lazy.

We suffer, we learn, we grow. Something changes, or it doesn't. Yeah, the C's said this life is futile. They also said, "Interestingly enough, this [the evil plans of evil people] will all fail." They also said, "Learn to think in unlimited terms."

I try not to ask myself, "What will happen next?" That depends on all of us, doesn't it? It may even depend on me, specifically.

Instead, I ask: "What are you going to choose to do next?"

That's the best any of us can do.

Well said Scottie. But then, it depends on our definition of "rainbows and unicorns" - it obviously isn't the "land of milk and honey" thing :D

If I think about it, "rainbows and unicorns" would mean to me connecting with real people, perfecting my skills in all areas, working hard to reach my potential, working on something that gives me meaning... Now wait a minute - I can do this here and now!!

Yes, I go through periods of depressions regularly, and I would love to live in a world without psychopaths, where nature is beautiful and not polluted/uglified, and all people work together in a meaningful and intelligent way. But it is for us to make this happen on a small scale, wherever we are, as hard as it is - which brings us back to the "hard and meaningful work" definition of "rainbows and unicorns". And if we can only learn this the hard way, i.e. in a world dominated by psychopaths, then that's how it is - the "cosmic trickster" is just helping us to grow by putting us here. Of course, it's easy to say that until the depression hits again...


Chu said:
whitecoast said:
IMO, the only true wholesale rejection of this reality, the biggest fu you can give it, is to be the brightest and most creative light you can be (like Laura said). That is introducing something entirely foreign into this STS world and transforming it.

It's important to validate those negative feelings time and again, since we all have them, but it's important also to not "believe in them" or treat them as resembling the actual nature of things (other than at a very superficial level). FWIW.

I agree. There is also something that the Cs said in May 2014:

A: Service to others. Notice that the people with the most problems that always talk only about themselves and their troubles, are the ones who do and give the least. They do not have confidence in he universal law of LIFE: Get things moving and you create a vacuum in your life into which energy can flow.[...] Balance! A portion of a day can be spent on reflection, but not too much. This is the Wetiko Virus: obsession with the self and subjective personal issues. The next time you feel yourself slipping into despair, just tell others how you are feeling and think of something you can do for another to prevent them from suffering the same feelings. [letters come more slowly now:] Thus you will witness the birth of true empathy. [...] Very often significant life changing events take some time and energy to push through. But it will be accomplished with persistence. Also, along with tonight's theme, you can increase the energy flow by creating a vacuum by giving and doing!

I think the same can be said about the feelings of despair and lack of hope, if one lets them last too long. There is work to do, and we can do it. That for me is hope that comes with Doing, and not Doing because I "hope" (anticipate) a result. Hope comes almost from seeing results AFTER, and thinking, well, what else might happen if I do my best to add a tiny bit of light to this darkness, even if it feels insignificant? It's not "unfair" when you look at it that way. It becomes your responsibility, and then, the Universe decides.

The world could definitely be a better place from our subjective point of view. But we don't know until we do our best to help that outcome come about, even if it's just "holding a frequency", and idea, truth, for it to survive us. It's not about our comfort, or what we did wrong to deserve this existence, but about what we can do to be the best we can, and then see. OSIT. Personally, I am grateful for the opportunity, and for having that drive to try it over and over even when I fail.

Thank you whitecoast and Chu, this is very motivating and inspiring. Yes, enough with hiding under the blanket, worrying, and being afraid. Let us use the time we have to accomplish something meaningful in all areas of life, on all fronts, in all "dances with the universe", in everything the universe throws at us - here in this group, in our social interactions, daily life, and so on. Let us try new things, new ways of doing things, new approaches, and share - here, and strategically with other people. Let us become the brightest lights in this world that we can manage!
 
Aloha Muxel --

Life is tough, all too tough, and sometimes I don't even know why I got myself into this in the first place. Why do we do it? Why do we come into these bodies and suffer, literally by default?
Yeah. LOL :) I remember this one. I even went so far as to believe that I must have been a Nazi in my past life because I couldn’t believe I would have ever been ‘stupid’ enough to actually choose the parents, family, childhood, physical locations, conditions, situations, and experiences in this life incarnation. Seriously! :)

Everything was so emotionally, spiritually, physically, and psychically so darn painful and just plain mean.

I could not conceive of any reason whatsoever for why in the world I would want to place myself into such hidious situations and circumstances.

I railed against god & the Universe.
(Definition: Railed Against = bitterly complaining or vehement denunciation.)

I could never figure out why I would do this to myself — on purpose?!! Are you kidding me?!! :)

In my particular case, it wasn’t until I did a hypnosis session that the answer came. And what did I find out? That I was ‘curious’. The words were — ‘I wonder what it’s like to be a human being?’

Well. Now I know what it’s like to be a human being. And it’s pretty amazing on the one hand — and pretty horrific from another viewpoint, yes? Pretty much an extreme full spectrum.

NOTE: That was then. Now it’s totally different. Now I’m sooooo grateful for all the pain, suffering, horribleness, psychopaths, misery, etc.

In fact, all my past suffering has become irrelevant. Because the emotional charge on all of it has disappeared. I can retrieve the memories. Those are still filed away. But the ‘charge’ is gone. And all that ‘charge’ or energy or attention was locked down & unavailable to me until I discharged it by healing the past.

Not magically. It’s not like the Matrix Movie. I didn’t just swallow a pretty pill and voila’ - instant relief and release. I had to DO the work. Doing the work for me was Doing the therapy. Doing the therapy consisted of returning to painful past traumas and re-feeling and re-experiencing those incidents so that I could remember the mental decisions I’d made during those traumas and choose to make different, more adult-oriented, decisions after discharging all the negative emotional charge attached to the painful past.

EE works for me in a similar fashion. Dis-charging past negative emotional charge. Very liberating and makes me feel physically, mentally, and emotionally more grounded — as well as lighter. Paradoxically Oxymoronic. But there it is. LOL :)

Why do I feel grateful for all that past trauma? Because I seem to have needed enough motivation to get my derriere in gear and inspire me to want to find out how to get out of the trap. Pain is a great motivator I’ve discovered. :)

I’m much too lazy and flaky to force myself to overcome my natural inertia to do anything unless I’ve got a big enough ‘ouch’ to make me move.

So, thank you Universe for providing me with enough mega-ouches to get me off my chaise-lounge and venture into the swamps of my psyche in order to find out what makes me and others tick.

Sooooo — as others have already mentioned, there are certainly many techniques, protocols, diet, exercises outlined in the Work which you can avail yourself of and experiment with.

Personally, the technique that seems to work best for me these past several months is something I discovered here on the Forum. Here’s a link to that thread.

Cassiopaea Forum > Esoterica > The Work > Depression As A Stepping Stone (to Soul Growth)

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,2832.0.html

You may want to try that exercise yourself, Muxel. Why? Because it seems to me that you’re having internal conversations/arguments inside your head.

OK — here comes another cliche or aphorism.
“Get out of your head, and come to your senses!”

What I learned by doing the exercise outlined in that thread was that I needed to get the heck out-of-my-head and into my senses. And the sense I needed to focus on was my ‘feeling’ — emotional feeling — whether anger, sadness, resentment — whatever.

And what I discovered was that when I stopped focusing on my thoughts and my mind-loops, and re-focused on just feeling the feeling, my attention jumped to my stomach-gut area.

And I didn’t need ‘words’ to describe what I was feeling. I only needed to FEEL the feeling. The words came later after feeling the feeling long enough.

And I found myself doing EE breathing spontaneously. And my breathing kept changing as I continued feeling whatever it was my body itself was feeling.

It wasn’t my mind. It wasn’t my thoughts. It was my body. And that’s about as basic as we can get I think.

The thoughts & realizations and understandings and cognitions will arise spontaneously without forcing them if you just continue focusing on feeling the feeling.

Don’t use your mind & thinking center to describe the feeling with words. Don’t try to figure out what the feeling is. Don’t DO anything with or about the feeling. Just allow it to rise up and exist and ride it to the end of the wave. Like surfing, yes?

Anyway, you can try it out yourself if you like.

Muxel said:
Did we know, pre-incarnatively, what we were getting ourselves into? Were we naive, and expected humans to be more than what they are - which is biological automatons?

I don’t know if we knew pre-incarnatively what we were getting ourselves into. I do have a womb memory that went something like this — ‘Oh No! This isn’t right. I don’t want to do this. I want out. This isn’t the way it was supposed to be. Ooops! Too late. Now I’m stuck - trapped.”

And oddly enough, one of the most consistent running themes in my life has been a feeling of being ‘trapped’ with no way out. So ‘freedom’ is a big deal thing with me. Finding out the Truth and Being Free are at the top of my list. And they both seem to go together too.

Muxel said:
The thing about reincarnation stumps me, because it suggests that there is an element of choice in the matter. And it implies that at some level, we chose this. (And therefore deserve every bit of it - how cruel!)

Yeah. The deal is that we don’t usually remember choosing. So we feel as if it was done to us.

Heck, we barely remember what we did last week, much less some other lifetime ago. Or during 5th Density interludes.

That seems to be part of the challenge of every lifetime. Attempting to remember what our original purpose for coming here this time around is. So we can get on with doing the Work and pursuing our Mission during this lifetime.

Muxel said:
I am so very tired, and so weary of this life. There is no "justice" to be had, and it is just wishful thinking to expect 99.999999% of humans to be anything more than what they are.

Yep. You got that right. There is no ‘justice’ to be had in the Matrix Control System. So don’t bother even looking for or expecting to find it in the Matrix world.

There is, however, a larger ‘justice’ playing out — on a Universal level — a much bigger picture than the finite MCS.

Unfortunately, we are not privy to seeing that bigger picture and therefore feel somewhat resentful that our need for justice at the MCS level is abysmally absent.

But there is the ‘justice’ we can personally perform in our own little lives — like giving everything and everyone it’s due.

Muxel said:
I'm tired of how life makes some suffer while others revel. I'm tired of all the competition that is inbuilt into our biology, and by extension, culture. I'm tired of how all this is Nature's "Grand Design". And we cannot change anything, we are merely God's pawns.

Yeah. Well, the real problem seems to be that we want to ‘change’ Nature’s “Grand Design”.

I suspect that ‘going-with-the-flow’ means swimming downstream with the current rather than attempting to swim upstream or across the current — which is similar to attempting to fight God’s/Nature’s Grand Design, yes?

There’s a little cliche that says — “If things aren’t going right — shift to the left.” :)

Is it really ‘life’ that makes us suffer? Or is it the experience of ‘loss’ that feels like suffering?

Loss is not getting what we want — or getting what we don’t want. Like something important is missing. And if something is missing, we don’t have it. And if we don’t have it, there’s a sense of loss.

It seems to me that almost all suffering comes down to some sense of ‘loss’. Something ‘missing’. Something we yearn for that isn’t there.

The Work is primarily concerned with Doingness. Which is as it should be. However, before anyone can actually Do anything helpful, they must feel as if they Have. If we can’t ‘have’ the world be as it is, then we’re probably tilting at windmills. We’re fighting the Universe.

If we can ‘have’ existence be as it is — even if we don’t ‘like’ it — then we’re probably going to feel miserable and want to take our ball and go home to sulk in the corner and refuse to come out until God/Goddess/Universe/Nature/Mommy/Daddy fixes it for us so it’s all the working just the way we want it to be.

Or — I could go sulk in a corner — and as I’m sitting there, I could just look around the room and find something I CAN have. Meaning I can have it exist in the same space as I exist.

After I find something that I can allow to exist in the same space I exist, I can acknowledge that and continue looking around the room and find something else I can have — something I can permit to exist in the same space in which I’m presently sitting. And I can continue doing this little protocol until I no longer feel at odds with the world and I’m ready to come out and play again.

It’s an exercise that helps bring up our Havingness so we don’t pull in a lot of problems to fill up the inner empty place we experience from a sense of loss.

And there’s the rub, yes? We don’t want something to exist that we do not like. And we want that which we do like to exist.

This sounds kind of like how little kids feel about life. I want what I want — and I want it now — and I want it the way I want it.

So when I’m feeling like that, I know I’m feeling like a little self-centered, self-oriented kid. And I’m feeling annoyed and resentful that life isn’t giving me just exactly what I want when and how I want it.

And then I begin feeling sorry for myself and put upon and why is the world they way it is. And you know the rest. That self-pity predator mind loves wallowing in misery. There’s even a certain satisfaction and sense of self-justification that goes along with that dance.


Muxel said:
What do we have to look forward to? There is nothing. Everything “happens”.

Yep. Everything happens. Maybe the problem is looking ‘forward’? Maybe we need to stop looking into the future and just ‘BE’ in the present?

I know that whenever I start projecting my mind into the future, I cease being in the here and now. And whether I see Rainbows & Unicorns or Bottomless Pits in the future, either way I’m still losing my sense of I-ness because I can only be ‘I’ and ‘real’ if I’m located & grounded in this present moment — not off in my mind somewhere in my I-mage-in-nation.

And if I’m seeing Rainbows & Unicorns, I’m probably wishfully thinking and setting myself up for a disastrous unfulfilled expectation and future sorrow & loss. If I’m seeing Bottomless Pits in the future — nothing to look forward to — then I’m still projecting a future for myself — but this time that future fantasy produces hopelessness, anxiety and — ‘Oh, what the heck — I may as well give up’ feelings. Neither is actually based on what’s actually happening right now in front of me.

Muxel said:
What did Gurdjieff have to hope for? There was nothing he could do - as he was - except die and then reincarnate into an entirely different reality!

I have no idea what Gurdjieff might ‘hope’ for in a subsequent incarnation. But I suspect Gurdjieff wasn’t much concerned about it overmuch.

He didn’t seem to be resisting how things actually are and how mechanically life plays out. He just observed it and attempted to extricate himself and others from the grinding gears of the General Law.

Whether he objectively met that goal himself, or whether he helped others do it, is probably less relevant then that he left us clues and procedures and exercises which we can use in order to get out of the trap.

Yes we do want very much to escape. But attaining that goal is possibly less important than just following the path itself.

Maybe I’m confusing Gurdjieff with the Tao. In the Tao, it’s not about attaining a ‘goal’ — it’s about walking the path — and returning to the path when we wander off it — intentionally or ignorantly.

Muxel said:
What did the Biblical Yahweh tell Abraham? Find me one good man... just one good man, and I shall spare the city. And Abraham could not find even one. Automatons every last one of us.

Yep. That’s us alright. Automatons. As for ‘one-good-man’ I think this Forum is witness to far more than just ONE good man or woman.

Not only that, but here’s something to put in your hat, Muxel. It’s true that because we choose to practice external consideration towards friends, family, acquaintances, and even strangers, we are often limited to mundane conversations with others. That’s just part of the Work we do. We don’t have to like the situation or the restriction. But we can still go about it with good grace if we choose to do so.

We do, however, have this Forum to bare our souls and discuss so many subjects with others of like mind.

I also read many other Bloggers and Comments and we are not the only people who hit a brick wall when dealing with our own families, friends, et al. Many, many others, too, sadly opine about how much their virtual friends are the only other people to whom they feel they can voice their concerns about the insanity and ponerization of our world. It’s heartening to read their stories because we don’t feel so bereft and all alone.

Lastly — with respect to what Laura said —

Laura said:
Well, that's a pretty dark view of things and I can sure understand it; been there, done that. What keeps me going is the thought of how sad it would be for the universe to come to an end without "one good man"... so, I will be that person as far as I am able.

I just read this little story on one of the Blog Comments referred to above and think it may be another little bit of inspiration for us to consider. Here’s the story.

The fable of the tiny songbird

“When the Prophet Abraham (in the Orientalist's spelling) was being thrown in the fire by the tyrannical ruler Nimrod, all creation was in tremendous angst.

Even the stones spoke out against the tyrant.

Every moral creature endeavored to the rescue of Prophet Ibraheem (in Muslim spelling) to put out the fire.

To the extent that a tiny songbird picked a droplet of water in its minuscule beak and started to fly over the fire.

An Angel of God asked the little songbird:

“Surely you are not going to put out the fire with that droplet(!), and surely the high flames will consume you! – what do you think you are doing?”

The tiny songbird replied:

“Yes, you are right, and I know that my tiny droplet will not save the Ulul-Azam (Great Prophet) of God. But I bring to the endeavor of standing up to this evil tyrant whatever I am capable of, and this tiny droplet is all I am capable of.”

Zahir Ebrahim said:
The journey in the path of the songbird, as viewed from effectiveness, and all other temporal angles, is only a waste of time.

And sifting through piles of falsehoods and lies to uncover the truth is only a tiny step in that journey. And that truth, is as you say! In the age of universal deceit, to learn that truth is surely a revolutionary act --- a tad necessity before one can speak it --- and while that truth may be impossible to uncover at some levels, the moral imperative of the songbird itself transcends and dwarfs it.”

Muxel -- Cheers and thank you so much for starting this thread and for everyone's fascinating contributions.

Hopefully, y'all can point out any errors in my thinking — which is what’s so nice about the people here. I can totally rely and count upon their abilities to think with a hammer. Thanks guyz & gals. :)

Cheers.
 
Thanks for this thread. It's great to see a synthesis of ideas and subsequent learning that comes from them. Sometimes I have that fear of losing myself, but I think it's not anything material, but losing my connection to the forum. But I have something I say a lot and which I think is true, and that is, "I'm always with you." I always want to have some kind of connection to the forum and be working toward something better.

This song came to mind: I only want to be with you

The very (plausible) existence of the C's gives me hope. That us in the future exist and help us "down here".

I think this place truly is a "Holy Hell". Yeah it's really dark, but there is a lot of rich experience and the little nuggets of light that shine through make it special.
 

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