Is the US West Coast next for a major quake?

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While not exactly a pleasant experience to have to start a thread on this topic, I thought it would be pertinent in an effort to raise awareness and thereby possibly afford an opportunity for some to take precautions. Knowledge protects after all.

Anyway, the main thing I want to share is this

40ft Section Of California Highway Falls Into Pacific Ocean

A stretch of California's coastal highway is closed to traffic indefinitely after a chunk of the road fell into the Pacific Ocean.

State transportation workers are scrambling to repair Highway 1 in Monterey County near Rocky Creek Bridge.

A 40-foot section of the two-lane highway crumbled just after 5 p.m. Wednesday following several days of rainy weather. All of the southbound lane is gone, and the soil under the northbound lane also is giving way.

The California Highway Patrol says no one was injured in the slide.

It's not immediately clear what caused the slide or how long the highway will be closed.

There's an image and video at that link, although the reports make absolutely no reference to this being a possible warning sign. So, it's up to us to do so. It's really maddening to see such things almost completely ignored and cast in a mundane way when the entire pacific plate has awoken with terrible results. In addition, as mentioned by the geologist Jim Berkland at this link, the "supermoon" is coming in few days and can possibly exert an influence (not necessarily understood by science) on the planet as a whole.

Given that it happened in Monterrey county, it also brings to mind this from many moons ago:

Dec 3 1994

More California seismic activity after 1st of year: San Diego, San Bernardino, North Bakersfield, Barstow: all are fracture points. Hollister, Palo Alto, Imperial, Ukiah, Eureka, Point Mendocino, Monterrey, Offshore San Luis Obispo, Capistrano, Carmel: these are all stress points of fracture in sequence. "Time" is indefinite. Expect gradual destruction of California economy as people begin mass exodus. Also, Shasta erupts; Lassen activity. Ocean floor begins to subside.

Just wanted to say that anyone in that area that is reading this, it would be a good idea to take all possible precautions, if you can take an impromptu vacation from the area for a few days or a week then it might be the time to do so.
 
Re: Is the West Coast USA next?

Thank you so much Perceval for bringing this up. Especially for the note on the highway! Jesus Christ, why is nobody else making a big deal of this?! We have so many potholes on every highway; who knows when those decide to turn into massive sinkholes!

I'm unfortunately close to a fracture point as noted by the C's (Capistrano), and I have no way of getting out of the area legally. With all the Fox News survivalism my parents are preaching, they aren't even thinking of getting the heck out of Dodge!

I'll put this up for those who may have forgotten:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=4758.0

_http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=170608
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Where to be During an Earthquake

Carol Weigold writes, Remember that USGS advice about hiding under a table or standing in a doorway? Well, Doug Copp's TRIANGLE OF LIFE' has a different opinion.

My name is Doug Copp. I am the Rescue Chief and Disaster Manager of the American Rescue Team International (ARTI), the world's most experienced rescue team. The information will save lives in an earthquake. I have crawled inside 875 collapsed buildings, worked with rescue teams from 60 countries. I was the United Nations expert in Disaster Mitigation and worked at every major disaster in the world since 1985. The first building I ever crawled inside of was a school in Mexico City during the 1985 earthquake. Every child was under its desk. Every child was crushed to the thickness of their bones. They could have survived by lying down next to their desks in the aisles. It was obscene, unnecessary and I wondered why the children were not in the aisles. I did not at the time know that the children were told to hide under something. Simply stated, when buildings collapse, the weight of the ceilings falling upon the objects or furniture inside crushes these objects, leaving a space or void next to them. This space is what I call the 'triangle of life'.
The larger the object, the stronger, the less it will compact. The less the object compacts, the larger the void, the greater the probability that the person who is using this void for safety will not be injured. The next time you watch collapsed buildings, on television, count the 'triangles' you see formed. They are everywhere. It is the most common shape, you will see, in a collapsed building.
TIPS FOR EARTHQUAKE SAFETY

1) Most everyone who simply 'ducks and covers' WHEN BUILDINGS COLLAPSE are crushed to death.. People who get under objects, like desks or cars, are crushed. 2) Cats, dogs and babies often naturally curl up in the fetal position. You should too in an earthquake. It is a natural safety/survival instinct. You can survive in a smaller void. Get next to an object, next to a sofa, next to a large bulky object that will compress slightly but leave a void next to it.
3) Wooden buildings are the safest type of construction to be in during an earthquake. Wood is flexible and moves with the force of the earthquake. If the wooden building does collapse, large survival voids are created. Also, the wooden building has less concentrated, crushing weight. Brick buildings will break into individual bricks. Bricks will cause many injuries but less squashed bodies than concrete slabs.
4) If you are in bed during the night and an earthquake occurs, simply roll off the bed. A safe void will exist around the bed. Hotels can achieve a much greater survival rate in earthquakes, simply by posting a sign on the back of the door of every room telling occupants to lie down on the floor, next to the bottom of the bed during an earthquake.
5) If an earthquake happens and you cannot easily escape by getting out the door or window, then lie down and curl up in the fetal position next to a sofa, or large chair.
6) Most everyone who gets under a doorway when buildings collapse is killed. How? If you stand under a doorway and the doorjamb falls forward or backward you will be crushed by the ceiling above.
7) Never go to the stairs. The stairs have a different 'moment of frequency' (they swing separately from the main part of the building). The stairs and remainder of the building continuously bump into each and the people who get on stairs before they fail are chopped up by the stair treads. Even if the building does not collapse, stay away from the stairs.
The stairs are a likely part of the building to be damaged. Even if the stairs are not collapsed by the earthquake, they may collapse later when overloaded by fleeing people. They should always be checked for safety, even when the rest of the building is not damaged.
8) Get Near the Outer Walls Of Buildings Or Outside Of Them If Possible - It is much better to be near the outside of the building rather than the interior. The farther inside you are from the outside perimeter of the building the greater the probability that your escape route will be blocked.
9) People inside of their vehicles are crushed when the road above falls in an earthquake and crushes their vehicles; which is exactly what happened with the slabs between the decks of the Nimitz Freeway. The victims of the San Francisco earthquake all stayed inside of their vehicles.. They were all killed. They could have easily survived by getting out and sitting or lying next to their vehicles. Everyone killed would have survived if they had been able to get out of their cars and sit or lie next to them. All the crushed cars had voids 3 feet high next to them, except for the cars that had columns fall directly across them.
10) I discovered, while crawling inside of collapsed newspaper offices and other offices with a lot of paper, that paper does not compact.
Large voids are found surrounding stacks of paper. In 1996 we made a film, which proved my survival methodology to be correct. The Turkish Federal Government, University of Istanbul and ARTI cooperated to film this practical, scientific test. We collapsed a school and a home with 20 mannequins inside. Ten mannequins did 'duck and cover,' and ten mannequins I used in my 'triangle of life' survival method. After the simulated earthquake collapse we crawled through the rubble and entered the building to film and document the results. The film, in which I practiced my survival techniques under directly observable, scientific conditions, relevant to building collapse, showed there would have been zero percent survival for those doing duck and cover. There would likely have been 100 percent survivability for people using my method of the 'triangle of life.' This film has been seen by millions of viewers on television in Turkey and the rest of Europe and Real TV.

When it hits, I may be in a position to tell you stuff the news isn't telling, who knows. The Christchurch and Japan earthquakes happened about 3 weeks apart, so, especially with the influence of the supermoon, it will happen any day now. Thanks again!
 
Thanks Zlyja, the information you posted by Doug Copp was very interesting... i would have been under a door or a table.
Here is the video of his Turkish experiment.

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9cYbxarA2o
 
Thank you for the head's up Percival. I was living just south of Monterey during the Loma Prieta earthquake and the thing I never realized is how important fresh water is. After the earthquake we had no power or water for a little over 24 hours, if I remember correctly. Since then I've invested in an earthquake kit and keep several extra litres of water. I haven't really had to use it, but since I still live in California it's better to be prepared. I got my kit at Earthshakes.com they also have some really good tips on their site.
 
To add:

The other day I have caught a snippet of Dan Savage's radio show. His guest was a scientist who runs SyzygyJob.com and predicts earthquakes based on animal behavior and moon phases.

The guest made it sound as if the Super Moon will open another window of vulnerability, through the 20ths of March, for a major earthquake around SF bay area. The information doesn't appear on the site, it appears to be distributed normally via newsletter to subscribers. What he said on the radio was somewhat nebulous, but did point towards this possibility.

fwiw

upd: this is it: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/225968-Geologist-Predicts-Major-N-America-Earthquake-Imminent
 
The Pacific Ring of Fire includes the Cascadia subduction zone extending from Northern California to British Columbia.
The Cascadia subduction fault has generated magnitude 9 mega thrust earthquakes 41 times in the last 10,000 years. The last mega thrust earthquake in the Pacific Northwest was in 1700, verified by tsunami records in Japan. We are a century over due for a monster quake. This area is not prepared for an earthquake of this magnitude, as it only recently become clear to geologists that California, Oregon, Washington, and British Columbia coastline periodically experience earth shakers of the same magnitude as last weeks earthquake in Japan.

I have checked Jim Berkland's theory. It seems to indicate that the quakes move around the Pacific Ring of Fire and the release of energy and movement of the subduction zones in one area of the Ring of Fire increase the pressure on the remaining subduction faults which have not experience a release of energy via a mega thrust earthquake in recent time. If Berkland is right, the West Coast is next in line.
 
My house mate was living in Seward, Alaska on March 27, 1964 when a magnitude 9.2 earthquake struck. I had just read David Nabhan's hypothesis that earthquakes are often triggered by syzygy events. The new or full moon is lined up with the rising or setting sun in Nabhan's syzygy event hypothesis. I decided to check the moon chart for March, l964. The moon was full on March 28, l964. The Alaska earthquake occurred about 5:30 PM.

So, I am going to post an excerpt from a short article on Nabhan's theory of earthquake prediction. The next syzygy event date is March 19. That is this weekend. I think I will stay away from the Oregon coast for a few days. By the way, the full moon is on the vernal equinox and is near its closest approach to the earth. It is called a Supermoon. I hope the weather is clear so we can see this rare Supermoon on the vernal equinox. We could use some spring weather around here.


http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/articles/article/the-san-andreas-fault-or-ours/ said:
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Seismology, therefore, is a very young science, a science too young to have any business using the words “never” and “impossible”. Yet that is just how many seismologists will respond when the unspeakable topic of earthquake prediction is broached.

Seismology will not touch the subject, which makes for a very incongruous situation. It is as if aviation engineers only existed to catalogue the reasons that make flying impossible, or doctors who do nothing more than chronicle the many ways people can die. Indeed, one almost wonders if an amnesia bug has bitten the world’s seismologists.

In truth, there is a long list of scientific abstracts that point to at least one very solid clue to how quakes might be triggered: lunar and solar gravitational tides acting in tandem. Los Angeles at Dawn and Dusk If I were to list the ponderous catalogue of studies that point directly to tidal triggering of earthquakes, starting as far back as the 1840s and continuing unabated in every decade since to the present, I should wind up with a tome that would rival “War and Peace” in length — something the editors of the Naked Scientists have asked me to avoid.

So, having given the reader some historic background as to why every nay-saying syllable uttered by the United States Geological Survey (USGS) and others, about earthquake prediction might not be considered as infallible as holy writ, let me put forth a dissenting view. It is a strong case, and one that does not require alacrity in tensor calculus so much as open-minded common sense to understand.

The history of disastrous quakes in Southern California fairly screams an important clue to the “impossible” problem of trying to forecast seismic events on the West Coast. Regarding the good-sized tremors that have rocked Southern California from Long Beach (1933) to Northridge (1994) approximately 16 large (6.0+ on the Richter scale) quakes were evidenced during that 61 year period. Here are some unassailable facts about them: The Sylmar quake hit at 6:00am. The Whittier Narrows and Sierra Madre quakes both struck one minute apart (7:42am and 7:43am) while the Big Bear quake (7:50am) followed them by only a few minutes. The Landers quake, the Gorman quake of ’52, and the Northridge tremor all occurred within a seven minute window (4:57am, 4:51am, and 4:50am respectively), with Gorman and Northridge just a few seconds apart. The pattern of quakes also striking at dusk can be evidenced going back all the way to the disastrous Long Beach shaker of 1933 which struck at 5:54pm. The earthquake that rocked San Bernardino on New Year’s Eve 1948 clocked in at 5:18pm.

Here we have nine of the greatest seismic events to rock Southern California over six decades and every single one occurred at dawn or dusk. And the earthquakes that occur on the fault line north of Los Angeles also echo eerie matches. The two greatest seismic disasters in the history of San Francisco battered that city in 1906 and 1989. Separated by almost a century, those two catastrophes nonetheless occurred almost exactly twelve hours apart: 4:50am and 5:04pm respectively. The earthquake that devastated Coalinga rolled into town in 1983, 120 miles south of the Bay Area, and only seven minutes away from sharing the same moment of doom as old San Francisco had in 1906: 4:43am.

Any cogent observer should count this all as very odd, to say the least. What is so special about dawn and dusk? The most obvious events are that the Sun rises over one horizon and sets behind another. When we talk about dawn and dusk, we are really talking about the Sun. Here, then is the first clue: a regular, solar metronome, beating perfectly timed disasters into the cities of the West Coast.

However, to take this idea out of the realm of coincidence and put it firmly into that of plausible scientific periodicity, eight of these quakes also struck during a new or full Moon phase. New Moon PositionsThe tremendous gravitational strength of the Moon (when new or full), combined with the solar tides exerted on the San Andreas at dawn and dusk, is a force to be reckoned with. With the fault line running almost directly north and south and the tidal pressures pulling laterally, the hypothesis is that the Pacific and North American plates tend to slip more easily past each other. One is hard pressed to imagine any other dynamic for such a stunning scenario as that which the historic record provides. For hard-bitten sceptics, not only did those eight quakes transpire at dawn or at dusk, not only was the Moon either almost perfectly full or new, but moreover, the alignment in each of them was extremely tight insofar as the celestial mechanics is concerned. They were all near-syzygy events; the three bodies (Earth, Moon and Sun) all in a line, a focused vector of forces no more than 2.5 degrees in error (outside of perfect eclipse).
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I also just wanted to add that I noticed some "cluster quakes" in the following map:
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/10/250_25.php
This is the "gulf of california" map, some distance below the border of Mexico and California.

This "cluster quakes" phenomenon also occurred a day or less before the huger 9.0 hit off the east coast of Honshu, Japan.
(see http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/qed/ and search for "honshu")

There has also been some recent activity in the map that shows LA
map: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/10/240_35.php
Notice the cluster of small quakes on the lower right corner near the border.

With the supermoon on Saturday and the recent flyby within the distance between the earth and the moon (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/225988-House-Size-Asteroid-Zooms-Close-by-Earth), I wouldn't be surprised if something big does happen before the month's end... :scared:
 
go2 said:
My house mate was living in Seward, Alaska on March 27, 1964 when a magnitude 9.2 earthquake struck. I had just read David Nabhan's hypothesis that earthquakes are often triggered by syzygy events. The new or full moon is lined up with the rising or setting sun in Nabhan's syzygy event hypothesis. I decided to check the moon chart for March, l964. The moon was full on March 28, l964. The Alaska earthquake occurred about 5:30 PM.

So, I am going to post an excerpt from a short article on Nabhan's theory of earthquake prediction. The next syzygy event date is March 19. That is this weekend. I think I will stay away from the Oregon coast for a few days. By the way, the full moon is on the vernal equinox and is near its closest approach to the earth. It is called a Supermoon.

Thanks for that, go2. Very interesting! Plus we still have Earth almost exactly on the line between Sun and comet Elenin. Another factor to consider...
 
I've driven along roads like the one with the 40 feet of collapse.

I've seen houses which back right up against escarpment which drops down sheer sandstone to the beach and surf below. Some of the houses looked quite precarious, and I asked about it. Turns out when some of those houses were built, they had backyards, but every year, a little more earth and sandstone would crumble away. It wouldn't be long before natural erosion rendered the houses uninhabitable. The landscape in this news article has similar features, with the road running right along a coastal drop with the sea pounding away constantly. . .

But I wasn't sure, so I used Google's "Street View" to examine the stretch of highway in question. (What a cool tool!)

_http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&xhr=t&q=Highway+1+in+Monterey+County+near+Rocky+Creek+Bridge.&cp=0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

I still can't quite determine what the coastal geology is like in that area; it looks tougher than sandstone, but even if it isn't super-soft like the stuff I saw those crazy houses built on, it's still right on the edge of an obvious erosion zone.

I would be surprised if this sort of thing wasn't fairly common and due more to regular elemental erosive forces than to shifting tectonic plates.

My first thought, (which is always *soooo* trustworthy :/), is that this road crumble event is more a metaphoric message, like the spectral green knight on the Egyptian bridge some weeks ago, than it is an actual and direct physical indicator of the earth shifting.

So that's my reaction, thoughts about my reaction, and bit of research added to the table.

But, being that as it may be, I definitely would be surprised if the plates near Japan moving eight feet isn't tempting other portions of the Pacific Rim to host similar performances!
 
More notes from a recent update. . .

About 40 feet of the two-lane highway washed out just after 5 p.m. on a curve south of the Rocky Creek Bridge where the highway hugs the Santa Lucia Mountains. All of the southbound lane was gone, as was a chunk of the northbound lane. Soil under the northbound lane was reported sliding as late as 6:30 p.m.

[. . .]

For a while after the closure, people were allowed to cross the area on foot, but authorities stopped that as soil continued to erode under the roadway.

[. . .]

At Ventana, a few people traveling north decided to stay the night after learning about the washout.

A long closure of Highway 1 would affect tourist-dependent businesses in Big Sur and in the tiny communities along the highway between Big Sur and Ragged Point.

The cause of the slide was not immediately clear. The asphalt nearby looked new and no seeping water was seen. Fresh looking rip-rap was spotted mixed with soil that fell from under the roadway.

"It's basically just nature," the CHP dispatcher said.

Hm.

Sounds like rain damage, but then the article indicates that it maybe wasn't just that. . .

I wonder if people are studiously NOT thinking about what else it might indicate? If you live in earthquake land, with the constant threat of annihilation murmuring in the back of your thoughts all the time, do people become accustomed to self-calming and blind-eye turning. . ?
 
Woodsman said:
More notes from a recent update. . .

About 40 feet of the two-lane highway washed out just after 5 p.m. on a curve south of the Rocky Creek Bridge where the highway hugs the Santa Lucia Mountains. All of the southbound lane was gone, as was a chunk of the northbound lane. Soil under the northbound lane was reported sliding as late as 6:30 p.m.

[. . .]

For a while after the closure, people were allowed to cross the area on foot, but authorities stopped that as soil continued to erode under the roadway.

[. . .]

At Ventana, a few people traveling north decided to stay the night after learning about the washout.

A long closure of Highway 1 would affect tourist-dependent businesses in Big Sur and in the tiny communities along the highway between Big Sur and Ragged Point.

The cause of the slide was not immediately clear. The asphalt nearby looked new and no seeping water was seen. Fresh looking rip-rap was spotted mixed with soil that fell from under the roadway.

"It's basically just nature," the CHP dispatcher said.

Hm.

Sounds like rain damage, but then the article indicates that it maybe wasn't just that. . .

I wonder if people are studiously NOT thinking about what else it might indicate? If you live in earthquake land, with the constant threat of annihilation murmuring in the back of your thoughts all the time, do people become accustomed to self-calming and blind-eye turning. . ?


I think that's the main point I was hinting at here, that, at this stage, the universe is sending little hints about what's in store, and this one is not so subtle!
 
Woodsman said:
More notes from a recent update. . .

About 40 feet of the two-lane highway washed out just after 5 p.m. on a curve south of the Rocky Creek Bridge where the highway hugs the Santa Lucia Mountains. All of the southbound lane was gone, as was a chunk of the northbound lane. Soil under the northbound lane was reported sliding as late as 6:30 p.m.

[. . .]

For a while after the closure, people were allowed to cross the area on foot, but authorities stopped that as soil continued to erode under the roadway.

[. . .]

At Ventana, a few people traveling north decided to stay the night after learning about the washout.

A long closure of Highway 1 would affect tourist-dependent businesses in Big Sur and in the tiny communities along the highway between Big Sur and Ragged Point.

The cause of the slide was not immediately clear. The asphalt nearby looked new and no seeping water was seen. Fresh looking rip-rap was spotted mixed with soil that fell from under the roadway.

"It's basically just nature," the CHP dispatcher said.

Hm.

Sounds like rain damage, but then the article indicates that it maybe wasn't just that. . .

I wonder if people are studiously NOT thinking about what else it might indicate? If you live in earthquake land, with the constant threat of annihilation murmuring in the back of your thoughts all the time, do people become accustomed to self-calming and blind-eye turning. . ?

You may be right..O its just another tremor..you would get a warning im sure..take action yourself and make as many preparations as you can..or head west if possible.

With the Supermoon,comet approach..allignment,multiple smaller eartquakes(Aftershocks) around a number of areas in the Ring of fire and may seem smaller incidents like the landslide yesterday
it seems only common sense to log each small incident and keep a very close eye on the calfornia area for signs in the near futute and not to dismiss anything like whale/fish incidents near or of coast,
as they like our other 2d friends are more sensitive to any earth changes.
 
I post this in this thread since it could be connected or simply coincidental timing that the whole Rockerfeller family decide to leave the USA at this time for a 'holiday' in three chartered planes. Just seems a bit fishy...

It seems that India has caught the fancy of American trillionaire David Rockefeller. We have learnt that the 96-year-old, head of one of the biggest American business dynasties, is currently in the country with his family and is travelling all over North India.

We hear that the honcho landed in Delhi with more than two dozen relatives, including his children and grandchildren. The clan is learnt to be keen on visiting famous Indian monuments and places like the Taj Mahal, Rajasthan and Delhi. Rockefeller is believed to have landed in Delhi and chartered three planes to tour the country.
_http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-02-27/people/28637732_1_david-rockefeller-commercial-buildings-rockefeller-centre
 
Meanwhile: Land Cracks appearing in Washington:

http://www.king5.com/home/Everett-Neighborhood-is-Sinking-118195279.html

by JAKE WHITTENBERG / KING 5 News
Bio | Email | Follow: @jakewhittenberg

KING5.com

Posted on March 17, 2011 at 2:54 PM

Updated yesterday at 11:11 PM

EVERETT, Wash. -- People living in the Valley View neighborhood of southeast Everett are waiting and watching. A two story house on their block is tilted at a 20 degree angle and could collapse at any moment.

A crack in the earth that first appeared six weeks ago is now threatening about four homes. The City of Everett has "red tagged" the home on Burl which is collapsing. That means no one is allowed near the property.

A "yellow tag" was posted on two other properties where the land is giving way.

A surface slide in the area of Rob and Margaret Lund's house caused their deck and cement patio to completely collapse.

"There is nothing to stop this from happening again and again," said Rob Lund.

Recent heavy rains has caused the sliding to accelerate in the neighborhood. Neighbors said the problem appears to be getting much worse.

"If that house goes, the land will go with it," said Steve Mosman, who lives right next door to the collapsing home. "It would pull our land down with it. We just don't know what is going to happen."

The City of Everett is monitoring the problem daily but has no authority to re-enforce private property. City engineers have recommended the homeowner demolish the collapsing home.
 

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