Is WW3 inevitable?

[H-KQGE]

Totally agree with what you guys say above. A brilliant speech by George G as always. Actually moved me to send a PM of encouragement on his FB site. I think we are aware of free will and that those that wish have every right to their opinions and choices - but a good reminder anyhow.


Although it was only by 13 votes at least they won round 1 in parliament. But somehow I still hold my breath because TPTB are totally loose cannons now, and these types believe their own lies and rhetoric - think in their own warped minds they are helping their 'mates' etc. Free will reminder again!

The blind don't even learn from the past invasions so we have no chance of hoping they will wake up to this one after the fact either - if they/we survive.

I just get a incy wincy feeling that something 'other' may happen over the next few weeks - I know psychopaths work their agenda on 'urgency' to push what they want before they get found out. But I think their urgency this time is also due to things outside of their control as we have been discussing.

Something has to take the heat off innocent people. In my mind better a universal solution than greed osit.

I had that same feeling of something "other" happening soon. I mean real soon. I'm convinced that they knew public reaction would be against war but not like this. Cameron's face after the defeat - " and i get that!" Yep, he misread the situation alright. He probably assumed that it would be easy to "win" the supporting votes. That after all, Tony Blair was a blatant (& proven) liar & got away with some incredible things including a chunk of secret laws to be activated when Gordon Brown took over, & he got seriously paid.
So he's cheesed off that he might not get a "Tony deal" where multiple zeroes are added to his account & a peerage or some nonsense. Oh well dave.

George Galloway is a bit of legend, he's been ridiculed for the longest time & yet as with all truth-sayers, once you listen to what they have to say & do a bit of digging (which truth-sayers will always encourage & point you in the right direction) you quickly turn up more than you bargained for, since the amount of stunts TPTB have pulled in the 20th century alone is simply stunning. It helps that he's a good speaker too.

The Obama administration are going to release a "declassified intelligence report" on the Syria chemical weapons attack later today. Stage 2 (or 3 depending on how you count them) is underway. They've already launched another attack on the Syrian public as all this was going on too.
So with their timetable & the knowledge of the growing public awareness of some of their actions it seems that they will go for it big time, & a big blunder seems inevitable (signs are there already with Obama hinting on a George "dubya" style "shock & awe" tactic) i just hope it comes before too many more lives are lost.

 

[loreta]

In Spain in 2003, even if Spanish did not want to participated in the Irak war the PTB did not care about what people thought, about their desire of peace and rest, in fact they don't care about anything about humanity. And don't forget: we had an false flag that killed 200 innocent people in a train, in Madrid. So even if all the country in his entirety was against war, we went to war. Since when the ptb think it is important the public opinion concerning war?

Talking of blind and asleep, this week at work has been horrendous. Hearing peoples views on the whole situation is just like, wow, what did I do differently in my life that these guys didn't?

My situation is like a surrealistic one: nobody, absolutely nobody around me talks about Syria. It is as if I was living in two realities, two worlds. It is a very strange sensation, and to keep my sanity I continue to learn, thanks to this forum. I also received a letter from a friend from Canada telling me to stop to talk about Syria in Facebook, that it is dangerous for me to talk about it, etc. How interesting is to see the reactions of people in war times, how all this is a lesson.

 

[Rich]

The following image is an interesting snapshot of UK sentiment:

But the French and US don't seem deterred.

Edit: just saw to add context:

no government has lost a vote over matters of defence or military involvement since at least the mid-19th century. The fact that the only comparable votes involve Lord Palmerston, Lord Aberdeen and even Lord North is a sign of how far back in time you have to search.

_https://theconversation.com/commons-rejects-cameron-plea-for-syria-strikes-rewrites-special-relationship-17674

 

[Archaea]

WRT delaying the inevitable, Australia votes for the next federal government in a week. Maybe the PTB don't want to make Syria an election issue for Australia?

 

[Joe]

Added: Also I can not believe Obama had the guile to come out and say that Assad was the only person who had those weapons. Therefore, by the process of elimination, it couldn't have been the rebels but Assad's regime. WHAT!?!?! He said this, on TV with a STRAIGHT face. I have no doubt in my mind this guy will not hesitate to go absolutely bonkers as he has shown over and over again, take the drone strikes for example, he is pretty much playing judge, jury and executioner on a DAILY basis and doesn't care 2 bits about public opinion or other countries national sovereignty. This guy is like Bush 2.0, the improved version. Cameron is just the poor person's Blair. Also was anyone surprised to hear Blair open his mouth encouraging Military action? Goodness gracious, we are ruled by psychopaths.

Keep in mind that the 'President' wields very little power in reality, and certainly does not take any executive decisions like this. Same goes for the UK and France etc. Such people are the just the 'spokespersons' for the real powers that be.

 

[mkrnhr]

On an other hand, the delay could be tactical. On a immediate threat, the resistance is mobilized at its maximum, but after some delays and false alarms, the level of vigilance automatically falls. Also, new false flag attacks are still possible.

 

[luke wilson]

So now France is stepping up to the plate to occupy the space left behind by a defeated Cameron.

_http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23906913

However, US officials said they would continue to push for a coalition, and France said it was ready to take action in Syria alongside the US.

Obama on the other hand shows no signs of stepping down whatsoever nor any indication that he could be stopped by the political system in America.

It's interesting what some people are saying about this recent defeat of Cameron being an actual tactic. I don't know.

At the end of the day Obama is the menace here and it doesn't matter whether Britain, France or whoever are quashed by there own parliaments. This Obama guy looks like he can go by his own if need be.

 

[Joe]

At the end of the day Obama is the menace here and it doesn't matter whether Britain, France or whoever are quashed by there own parliaments. This Obama guy looks like he can go by his own if need be.

Luke, you realise it's not "Obama" doing this, right?

 

[luke wilson]

At the end of the day Obama is the menace here and it doesn't matter whether Britain, France or whoever are quashed by there own parliaments. This Obama guy looks like he can go by his own if need be.

Luke, you realise it's not "Obama" doing this, right?

Who is?

My view (for you to point out what needs correcting), the real PTB are embedded in organisations that wield a lot of power e.g. the fed, major banks, big media, intelligence services etc and some of them have networks in the civil service which then advise and give the presidents/prime ministers the options of what to do in any given situation. These advisers are being advised from elsewhere and if you were to follow the chain you'd land at the doorstep of the real ptb. If the 'elected' leader fails to comply, pressure is applied through media, maybe false flags, opposing political leaders who are being fed different information e.g. do this and we will back you etc.

That is my impression as to how the process works, at least on a national level, on an international level I don't really know how the networks operate.

 

[Joe]

At the end of the day Obama is the menace here and it doesn't matter whether Britain, France or whoever are quashed by there own parliaments. This Obama guy looks like he can go by his own if need be.

Luke, you realise it's not "Obama" doing this, right?

Who is?

My view (for you to point out what needs correcting), the real PTB are embedded in organisations that wield a lot of power e.g. the fed, major banks, big media, intelligence services etc and some of them have networks in the civil service which then advise and give the presidents/prime ministers the options of what to do in any given situation. These advisers are being advised from elsewhere and if you were to follow the chain you'd land at the doorstep of the real ptb. If the 'elected' leader fails to comply, pressure is applied through media, maybe false flags, opposing political leaders who are being fed different information e.g. do this and we will back you etc.

That is my impression as to how the process works, at least on a national level, on an international level I don't really know how the networks operate.

Pretty much. I was just checking since you kept referring to "Obama" as the point man on the decision to attack Syria. In cases like this, it's the "advisers" and "policy makers" in "think tanks" and certain high level military men that tell the President what to do. Who gives them their orders, is a little less clear, to say the least.

 

[angelburst29]

One of my concerns, with all the hype and saber rattling going on between the U.S, U.K and France in promoting war with Syria, and with everyone's attention focused on conflicting issues "over-there", the U.S. is wide open for another 911-type False attack? Our infrustucture is falling apart, the economy has bottomed out and everyone's lives have been affected, one way or the other. Nothing is stable any more.

 

[United Gnosis]

they have started this saying that they have high level intelligence, so high level that they are really questioning whether to tell the public or not but that we should trust them as they have REALLY REALLY high level intelligence that shows Assad is responsible. Did I emphasis HOW HIGH this is. It is like SOOOOOOOOO high it is beyond all our levels, only they can comprehend the intricacies of the whole thing. Furthermore, it might be SOOOOOO HIGH that it might not be something we can be shown, we just have to take there word for it.

To paraphrase an old Bill Hicks joke, "Well, we found serial numbers of some of the bombs used, and the sales receipts show that these aren't the ones we sold to the rebels..."

 

[loreta]

Now we know the true nature of Hollander. We know why he is there, why he was "chosen". It is scandalous. France in fact is a scandal with their colonial mind, their dreams of colonization. How French reacted with this idea to bombarding Syria? Is there some opposition? Nothing in the news about it. Surely the people don't want war? Or are they all dumb? Shame!

 

[l apprenti de forgeron]

Talking of blind and asleep, this week at work has been horrendous. Hearing peoples views on the whole situation is just like, wow, what did I do differently in my life that these guys didn't?

I think many can access to similar information to yours, but being contradictory to their belief system or survival of the ego or whatever, they can not take them into account and further research. Thanks to the group work done in this forum you resonate differently to exposure to the same data. I think it's something to be happy, because that process can be nurtured, deepened to really know where we stand. Perhaps in the near future with your knowledge can serve others who request you, and yourself too, in a big way.

I just get a incy wincy feeling that something 'other' may happen over the next few weeks - I know psychopaths work their agenda on 'urgency' to push what they want before they get found out. But I think their urgency this time is also due to things outside of their control as we have been discussing.

Something has to take the heat off innocent people. In my mind better a universal solution than greed osit.

This is so horrible and repetitive, and after so many years doing the same, I hope soon the PTB makes a mistake of calculation that leave them in evidence to no longer can continue killing people. This is really desperate! Heck!, That hit a meteorite and the survivors enter into a kind of chaos before a new civilization begins, with the reappearance of cooperation among humans in a new ice age or something. Anything before this human slaughter! Maybe just a moral and emotional bias, but I think we all deserve to live differently. This can not continue much longer.

 

[l apprenti de forgeron]

Now we know the true nature of Hollander. We know why he is there, why he was "chosen". It is scandalous. France in fact is a scandal with their colonial mind, their dreams of colonization. How French reacted with this idea to bombarding Syria? Is there some opposition? Nothing in the news about it. Surely the people don't want war? Or are they all dumb? Shame!

Hollander!, another bug disguised as a human. Became evident with Mali. "The left!, The left!". I think that we all are suffering that psychopaths and pathological not be detected and removed before entering in the world of politics career, military, academic, religious, etc. As for the French, I think they are so asleep (and powerless) as any. Thinking they are special (for better or worse) would fall into the same trap with which their rulers dominate them since hundreds of years ago.