Is WW3 inevitable?

[Alada]

Just a speculation of course. Perhaps this attack on Syria is meant to goad Iran into responding militarily somehow. It would provide the US and Israel with an "excuse" to attack Iran.

I was wondering yesterday, what if the upcoming vote is worded in such a way that it relates not only to Syria, but is written in a way that gives the green light to ANY action the U.S. wants to take outside of a U.N. resolution.

So they can go on to bomb whoever / wherever is next on the list and claim they have the approval of congress to do so. Just like the drone assassinations but on a much, much larger scale. Any nation deemed to be a threat to the U.S. becomes a ‘legitimate target’ with the seal of approval from congress for them to take action and very quickly escalate things into a much wider war.

So if any country were to retaliate for a strike on Syria, Obama can bomb them back to the stone age too under the same ‘mandate’ without having to skip a beat.

 

[loreta]

Just a speculation of course. Perhaps this attack on Syria is meant to goad Iran into responding militarily somehow. It would provide the US and Israel with an "excuse" to attack Iran.

If that scenario plays out, however, it would likely mean a much bigger war in the Middle East. Would Russia stand idle in such a circumstance? Many possibilities, all of them ominous.

Mac

Today in the news they said that Russia will accept to participate in the bombing of Syria if really Assad used poison. Is this a lie or really Russia is changing position? I hear this news from Spanish radio and RFI.

 

[Gwenllian]

Just a speculation of course. Perhaps this attack on Syria is meant to goad Iran into responding militarily somehow. It would provide the US and Israel with an "excuse" to attack Iran.

If that scenario plays out, however, it would likely mean a much bigger war in the Middle East. Would Russia stand idle in such a circumstance? Many possibilities, all of them ominous.

Mac

Today in the news they said that Russia will accept to participate in the bombing of Syria if really Assad used poison. Is this a lie or really Russia is changing position? I hear this news from Spanish radio and RFI.

Here is the RT article:

http://rt.com/news/putin-syria-interview-ap-387/

Putin says he “does not exclude” that Russia may agree with a military operation if it is proved that the Syrian government is behind the attack, however he emphasized that in accordance with international law a decision of the UN Security Council is needed for that.

“All other reasons and means that excuse using military force against an independent sovereign state are unacceptable and cannot be classified otherwise but as an aggression,” Putin noted.

“We would be convinced by a detailed investigation and direct evidence of who exactly used chemical weapons and what substances were used. Then we’ll be ready to take decisive and serious action,” said the president.

Answering a question about video records of dead children that allegedly died in the chemical attack in Damascus, Vladimir Putin called the material with dead children “horrible”.

“The questions are what exactly was done and who is to blame. This video does not answer these questions,” Putin said, sharing an opinion that this video is a compilation made by the militants who – even the US acknowledges – have links with Al-Qaeda and are notorious for extreme atrocities.

Putin recommended to pay attention to the fact that in the video with dead children there are no parents, children’s relatives or even medical personnel, while people who do appear in the video remain unidentified. However terrible the picture could be, it cannot be proof of anybody’s guilt, Putin said, and called for investigation of the incident.

 

[Yozilla]

Big question is: Obama has ALL the power to start bombing, so why he did not do that? He is "afraid" of something - my guess... so he involved congress - and those "salient statesmen" in there will have some serious decisions to make regarding their own future (of possible war criminals - at least). Meanwhile Russia launched a major media offensive to build up the biggest possible pressure:
_http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/04/322071/us-congress-cant-ok-attack-on-syria/
_http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/08/31/321425/us-revealed-as-enemy-of-world/
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...and a carrot is there of course:

Today in the news they said that Russia will accept to participate in the bombing of Syria if really Assad used poison. Is this a lie or really Russia is changing position? I hear this news from Spanish radio and RFI.

Here is the RT article:

http://rt.com/news/putin-syria-interview-ap-387/

Putin says he “does not exclude” that Russia may agree with a military operation if it is proved that the Syrian government is behind the attack, however he emphasized that in accordance with international law a decision of the UN Security Council is needed for that.

“All other reasons and means that excuse using military force against an independent sovereign state are unacceptable and cannot be classified otherwise but as an aggression,” Putin noted.

“We would be convinced by a detailed investigation and direct evidence of who exactly used chemical weapons and what substances were used. Then we’ll be ready to take decisive and serious action,” said the president.

 

[WIN 52]

The quickest way to end all the Sabre rattling is to suit all the people calling for war in flack jackets, issue them an M16, give them transportation to the battle field and let them have at it.

Just don't ask/demand the sane people you speak to represent be sent in front/lieu of you but rather follow you into battle and see how many follow.

 

[Windmill knight]

Big question is: Obama has ALL the power to start bombing, so why he did not do that?

The simplest answer is that all politicians need a certain level of legitimacy in front of the masses to commit their wrong-doings. So they know this decision is widely unpopular - which is why it failed in the UK and why the French are also having some trouble selling it - and they want Congress to support it so that they can later claim it was 'democratic'.

For all the power that they, the elite, have over the rest of us, they do need to keep the illusions in place, which is why they lie so much. Without the illusion the whole power structure would crumble. That is an encouraging thought if you think about it. It means that small efforts like what we do in this forum and what Sott does do have a real effect on the world out there!

 

[Yozilla]

For all the power that they, the elite, have over the rest of us, they do need to keep the illusions in place, which is why they lie so much. Without the illusion the whole power structure would crumble. That is an encouraging thought if you think about it. It means that small efforts like what we do in this forum and what Sott does do have a real effect on the world out there!

Oh yeah! Forum and Sott - Illusionbusters...

Illusion is definitely fading away - so in that context i am quite intrigued how congress will act

 

[WIN 52]

The way I seem to understand the issue is that if this forum, SOTT and the work of Laura were not to the point of influence on the sleeping masses that they are, the wave would already have come and probably gone.

What I have learned here has brought me back to being engaged in the struggle again, it has brought hope in a place of despair and illuminated the dark places giving this existence purpose.

Prior to this I was wanting to go and seemingly making the choices subconsciously to bring that reality about. Now, I want to continue because this is way more interesting.

Hey, who knows, we may see the enforcers again, soon. I believe they are sent in when the sleeping masses get out of hand, when was the last time? 17,000 years ago? I really wonder what we were up to then, us sleeping masses?

 

[loreta]

What I have learned here has brought me back to being engaged in the struggle again, it has brought hope in a place of despair and illuminated the dark places giving this existence purpose.

Prior to this I was wanting to go and seemingly making the choices subconsciously to bring that reality about. Now, I want to continue because this is way more interesting.

I agree 100%. Here sanity prevails. When I see these crazy nuts outside I just close my eyes and know that here sanity prevails. I come here to have information, clear, useful, protective. And then I can continue my little walk, step by step. I am not alone. And everything is like an adventure that is there for me and my spirit. Thanks, thanks and thanks!

 

[happyliza]

http://northcyprusfreepress.com/cyprus-news/cyprus-news-scrambled-reason-for-raf-typhoon-jet-scramble/

Cyprus News | Scrambled Reason For RAF Typhoon Jet Scramble

According to the Famagusta Gazette, RAF Typhoons based at Akrotiri, Cyprus, which provide the island’s air defence following the Syrian crisis, nearly tangled with Turkish jets in a close encounter on Sept. 2. It apears that Turkey scrambled two F-16 fighter jets from Incirlik airbase, to intercept the British Typhoons they say were violating north Cyprus airspace. The newspaper says the UK Ministry of Defence and Cyprus Defence Minister confirmed the incident, however it’s not clear who responded to who. Confusingly, it appears that the RAF Typhoons were scrambled to investigate suspicious activity and “the Turkish jets took off from Incirlik air base in Turkey, in order to intercept the British planes….the British planes had returned to Akrotiri by time the Turkish jets arrived in northern Cyprus airspace.”

 

[aragorn]

The news about the huge amount of Syrians taking refuge in the neighboring countries got me thinking that maybe that's also a part of the plan. Threatening with a strike in advance, and then stalling - and at the same time 'saving face' - will lessen the population to some extent. Thus you have less rebellious people to deal with once you set your foot in.

 

[Ennio]

Today in the news they said that Russia will accept to participate in the bombing of Syria if really Assad used poison. Is this a lie or really Russia is changing position? I hear this news from Spanish radio and RFI.

He is probably saying this to give the impression of being objective and 'fair' about the situation, though he very likely knows what the truth about chemical use is already. In a way its like he's countering what Obama is doing by "seeking approval from congress". Putin is putting up a pretense when, in fact, he knows exactly what is likely to happen and what his own response will be when things inevitably go down.

 

[aragorn]

It is interesting how the 'Anonymous' gang are showing their true colors during this conflict. They constantly tweet about 'Silence is a war crime' and 'Democracy is on it's way' siding clearly with US imperialism. So much for a well meaning computer nerds making a difference. Just another psyop.

More than 100,000 people have been killed in the conflict in Syria.
Anonymous has been actively involved and contributed towards the uprisings in Egypt, Lebanon and Tunisia. For far too long, we have witnessed the barbaric, unjust and brutal treatment of the Syrian people. Time and time again we have observed these war crimes. From the chemical weapons and scud missile attacks employed by Bashar al-Assad, to the growing number of questionable and violent actions taken by some of the opposing groups, it is clear that whoever the citizens may rally behind, their safety and security is ultimately transient and not guaranteed . The accumulation of war crimes has irritated our nest and the time has now come for us to take action.

Dictator Assad and elements within the Syrian Opposition, you now have the undivided attention of Anonymous. You are failing your country, you are failing your people, your country faces following the examples of your Egyptian, Lebanese and Tunisian counterparts. Our request is a simple one; cease fire immediately and stop the violence towards the innocent or you will feel our wrath.

 

[Joe]

It is interesting how the 'Anonymous' gang are showing their true colors during this conflict. They constantly tweet about 'Silence is a war crime' and 'Democracy is on it's way' siding clearly with US imperialism. So much for a well meaning computer nerds making a difference. Just another psyop.

More than 100,000 people have been killed in the conflict in Syria.
Anonymous has been actively involved and contributed towards the uprisings in Egypt, Lebanon and Tunisia. For far too long, we have witnessed the barbaric, unjust and brutal treatment of the Syrian people. Time and time again we have observed these war crimes. From the chemical weapons and scud missile attacks employed by Bashar al-Assad, to the growing number of questionable and violent actions taken by some of the opposing groups, it is clear that whoever the citizens may rally behind, their safety and security is ultimately transient and not guaranteed . The accumulation of war crimes has irritated our nest and the time has now come for us to take action.

Dictator Assad and elements within the Syrian Opposition, you now have the undivided attention of Anonymous. You are failing your country, you are failing your people, your country faces following the examples of your Egyptian, Lebanese and Tunisian counterparts. Our request is a simple one; cease fire immediately and stop the violence towards the innocent or you will feel our wrath.

Too true. Either 'anonymous' is an honest collective fighting for justice and truth, but unfortunately with the political awareness of a sack of spanners, or they're a psyop of some description.

 

[ella]

I keep trying to understand Putin’s role in this game, but although his statements and activities are mentioned here, there are no comments or any discussion about it. Would it mean it is generally understood here, that he is just “one of THEM”

I found an intriguing excerpt in the session from July 16th 2007, which might have something to do with what is going on now:

I want to know what is the future of the present growing tension between the US and Putin?

A: Most of it is show, but there is also the fact that Putin is a smart man who is leading the tyrant into a trap.

Q: (L) I would say it's not so much because he's a good guy as it is because it's a power struggle.

A: Yes.

Q: (Ailén) Is Putin working with Chavez on that?

A: Sure.

Q: (L) Sure, he'll work with anybody. He's not a stupid man. He's WAY smarter than Bush. I think he's smarter than Sarkozy, and he's definitely smarter than Blair. He's got some neurons firing there.

And there is some short exchange about Putin in the session on September 03, 2008.

(Ark) Is Putin a psychopath?
A: Now, now... That would be cheating!
Q: (L) I don't think he is. (S) I think he could still be evil, ya know, but of all the leaders I've ever heard or read about, he seems to say the most reasonable and truthful things. Which doesn't mean he isn't evil or hasn't done evil things, but in comparison to all the other ones... (L) When you're in that position, growing up in this world, how can you not be... But he's like the Diet Coke of Evil: Just one calorie. (Ark) When you want to show that you are not a psychopath, you have to say something completely different. (L) Well, Bush does it all the time, Bush is always saying those completely different things all the time too, but he doesn't have any action to back it up. I mean, he didn't do anything to break down the oligarchs in the US, and the US has plenty of them. (J) In the time that Putin has been in power, he hasn't really used his power... (L) In an evil way... (J) like Bush has, Putin hasn't invaded any other countries unilaterally, or...

How do you understand the role of Putin, please? His intentions or motivations. I realize it can all be just a power game, leading to WWIII…
but maybe there can be more to it? Both Assad and Putin do not just parrot stupid platitudes, about justice, democracy, freedom... What they say shows sound understanding of reality, IMHO. And they do not seem to deteriorate. Assuming Putin would be on the positive side, he would still have to act in a way, that would allow him to stay in power in order to be able to do something.
Just like Julius Ceasar did many things which we would not consider glorious, in Gale for instance.
In an article: “The darkness over Tibet”
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/tibet2.htm
Laura wrote:

…just let me insert an interesting idea that relates to these matters, which connects with the C's material as well as the work of Illion:
Steiner said that the present cultural epoch, the 5th Post-Atlantean, is the era of the manifestation of the Consciousness Soul. In this the English-speaking peoples are, in a way, the leaders, since they develop the Conscious Soul instinctively (a paradoxical concept, if you think about it). Also, in a way, the Central Europeans, especially the Germans, are leaders, since they develop the *I*, the Ego, which comes to fruition in the Conscious Soul. The next epoch, the 6th, will be a time of Spiritual Self development, though the Spirit Self will not then become Man's own possession, as is the *I* in the Conscious Soul today -- that will happen only in the far future.
In the 6th Epoch the Spirit Self will be an inspiration from above, as it were, from the angels. The East-Slavs, especially the Russians and Poles should lead in this development, though in a way the culture will be worldwide.

I realize I might be going too far in loose associations in my mind, nevertheless this quote says something about the possible role of Russia in the future. Maybe Russia is preparing for some mission. I have always had a feeling that there is something spiritual about Russia.
And is it not significant, that USA, Great Britain, France seem to flourish (materially) and Russia is always engrossed in chaos, blood, poverty…
On the individual level is seems the norm, that psychopaths abound in everything, but the person who possesses some potential to awaken is oppressed from every angle. It does seem work the same on the national level.

And Gurdijeff’s chosen country for teaching was Russia.

I am just thinking out loud, just associations in my mind, actually I do not know what to think about it, really. Maybe Putin is just “one of THEM”, but I also take into account, that he is not. It was stated here more than once, that we do not know, who is who.
Will you share your opinion on Putin with me, please?