Is WW3 inevitable?

Perceval said:
Too true. Either 'anonymous' is an honest collective fighting for justice and truth, but unfortunately with the political awareness of a sack of spanners, or they're a psyop of some description.

Even if 'anonymous' is an honest collective they would surely be a target of the PTB. Without us knowing the true players in the group, I could see the PTB tracking down key players and 'detaining' them while co-opting the group with their own people; the general public 'none the wiser'.
 
Ennio said:
loreta said:
Today in the news they said that Russia will accept to participate in the bombing of Syria if really Assad used poison. Is this a lie or really Russia is changing position? I hear this news from Spanish radio and RFI.

He is probably saying this to give the impression of being objective and 'fair' about the situation, though he very likely knows what the truth about chemical use is already. In a way its like he's countering what Obama is doing by "seeking approval from congress". Putin is putting up a pretense when, in fact, he knows exactly what is likely to happen and what his own response will be when things inevitably go down.

I think you are right. But the medias take his words out of context to install the idea that Putin is one of "them". So if Putin is one of "them" that means it is ok to bombard Syria.

I think Russians are strong and valiant. Kennedy wanted to stop the Cold War and he said that Russians have suffered enormously and that was the base of his idea to put an end to the Cold War. Somewhere I read that Russians are, even poor or suffering, good readers of their literature. And their literature comes from the soul. So that says alot about a person or country and culture: tell me what you read and tell me what you write.

My idea of Putin is not clear, but it changed with the years. I think he is very intelligent, coherent and serious.
 
http://www.sott.net/article/265979-Corporate-controlled-US-Senate-Foreign-Relations-Committee-completely-ignores-the-will-of-the-American-people-and-approves-Syria-attack-resolution

Does the above mean Obama has now got the green light?
 
Not sure if this has been noticed in countries where you live, written in the MSN, however, here it has been carried for a few days and then turned off to cover the G20 games. Basically, the headlines read:

"Canadians hurrying to Syria in record numbers to join rebels" - of course in some circumstances it is the quite kid who is then radicalized, joins a Mosque and next turns up in photos in Syria alongside rebels with a AK47 in hand. The intelligence arm (CISIS here) says to the new transplanted rebel's parents, oh, we have been watching your son for some time. Funny how they just up and leave to fight Assad, and then the stories spins again to mention their return home as radicalized potential terrorists back on their home soil.

Some articles mention Brits, Scandinavian countries - a few Americans and a disproportional amount from Canada.

Here though, CISIS is always near pulling strings:

_http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/08/23/canadians_hurrying_to_syria_in_record_numbers_to_join_rebels.html

Young Canadians are hurrying to Syria in record numbers to join rebels in their fight against the Assad regime, raising fears among security services at home about Al Qaeda’s access to Western recruits.

It is estimated that at least 100 Canadians — mainly in their 20s and coming from Ontario and Alberta — have left for Syria in the past year, joining a steady march of foreigners drawn to the conflict, security sources say.

“Our government is acutely aware of this issue,” said Frederik Boisvert, spokesman for Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney, noting Ottawa passed the Combating Terrorism Act in April, which makes it a crime to leave the country — or even attempt to — to engage in terrorist activities.

[...]

“To top it off, some Muslim traditions identify Syria as the scene of the final apocalyptic battle with the infidels,” said McCants, a former senior adviser at the U.S. State Department. “It’s a heady mix for pious young men. The immense human suffering only makes it more so.”

When the protests to oust Assad began in 2011, counterterrorism officials warned that the longer the conflict went on, the greater the risks of Al Qaeda carving out its territory amid the chaos.

Last November, the interim director of Canada’s Security Intelligence Service told a parliamentary committee that Syria provided Al Qaeda an ideal recruiting ground.

“The situation in Syria will remain chaotic for the foreseeable future, and this will continue to offer a permissive environment for terrorist activities,” Michel Coulombe stated.

The spectre of these young people returning to Canada — with combat experience and thoroughly radicalized views — is a serious national security concern.”

Al Qaeda, funded, supported and given recruits by the Canadian Government, and all sponsored by the Canadian Taxpayer.

In another article the "foreign rebel fighters" are said to be:

_http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/04/26/canadians-among-foreign-fighters-drawn-to-syrian-conflict/

Up to 134 British citizens have joined the anti-Assad forces, the study said. Other European countries with significant volunteer forces include the Netherlands (with between 5 and 107 citizens fighting, depending on the source), France (30-92), Belgium (14-85), Denmark (3-78) and Germany (3-40).

New recruits to use later if they survive perhaps.
 
loreta said:
Ennio said:
loreta said:
Today in the news they said that Russia will accept to participate in the bombing of Syria if really Assad used poison. Is this a lie or really Russia is changing position? I hear this news from Spanish radio and RFI.

He is probably saying this to give the impression of being objective and 'fair' about the situation, though he very likely knows what the truth about chemical use is already. In a way its like he's countering what Obama is doing by "seeking approval from congress". Putin is putting up a pretense when, in fact, he knows exactly what is likely to happen and what his own response will be when things inevitably go down.

I think you are right. But the medias take his words out of context to install the idea that Putin is one of "them". So if Putin is one of "them" that means it is ok to bombard Syria.

If the Spanish Radio program you heard is taking it that far - tossing Putin in with the West's leaders chomping at the bit to attack - then this is an even grosser distortion of the facts as we know them, then what we're hearing and reading in the US it seems. Putin does qualify his statements as the article from RT that Mariama posted shows.

loreta said:
I think Russians are strong and valiant. Kennedy wanted to stop the Cold War and he said that Russians have suffered enormously and that was the base of his idea to put an end to the Cold War. Somewhere I read that Russians are, even poor or suffering, good readers of their literature. And their literature comes from the soul. So that says alot about a person or country and culture: tell me what you read and tell me what you write.

Yeah, some of Dostoevsky's books have had a big impact on me.

loreta said:
My idea of Putin is not clear, but it changed with the years. I think he is very intelligent, coherent and serious.

What you write reminds me of Nikita Khrushchev during the Cuban Missile Crisis. He is famous for saying that he (the USSR) would bury the West. But years after the Cuban Missile Crises occurred his family has related how shaken and horrified he was at the thought of how close the USSR and the US were to full-fledged Nuclear war. Putin doesn't have the bluster of Khrushchev but he does have enough sense to know that what's coming next isn't good for anybody.

Speaking of the Cuban Missile Crises, there is an interesting comparison being made in this article _http://rt.com/op-edge/israel-rocket-obama-missile-crisis-444/ to the current situation.
 
Breaking news - seems to have spooked the US markets. Will have to see what comes of it, but this is on the heals of the Russian chemical weapon report and Putin saying at the G-20 meeting that the rebels were behind it as a way to provoke US intervention. Things getting more complex...

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/putin-says-russia-will-assist-syria-if-attacked-2013-09-06
Putin says Russia will assist Syria if attacked
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- At a press conference at the Group of 20 conference, Russian President Vladimir Putin said his country would "assist" Syria if attacked, according to press reports from there. President Barack Obama said he's considering military action against Syria for the country's alleged use of chemical weapons. It's not precisely clear the form of assistance, as Russia already provides Syria with military equipment and can veto any action from the United Nations Security Council
 
How come Putin, that is ready to help Syria, did not help Qaddafi? Why he did accept what happened in Libya and now he is ready to help Assad? Is this part of a game? A plan? To arrive at this situation, Syria.
 
loreta said:
How come Putin, that is ready to help Syria, did not help Qaddafi? Why he did accept what happened in Libya and now he is ready to help Assad? Is this part of a game? A plan? To arrive at this situation, Syria.
I don't think he is taking his stance out of the kindness of his heart but strategic and resource reasons. Presumably these are greater with respect to Syria than Libya. Weapons sales and Pipeline politics are discussed here: http://www.sott.net/article/265870-Pipeline-Politics-and-the-Syrian-War
And here: _http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-attack-on-syria-why-russia-is-on-the-right-side/5348460

Additional: There is also the perceived 'gateway to attack on Iran' that Syria's conquest may then lead to. Russia and Iran again have resource, weapons and energy contracts.
 
Ennio said:
Speaking of the Cuban Missile Crises, there is an interesting comparison being made in this article _http://rt.com/op-edge/israel-rocket-obama-missile-crisis-444/ to the current situation.

Interesting article but again it is nonsense to compare Kennedy with Obamaboum. They are the opposite. One is devil, the other was a good person.

We will see... The situation is very hot and very complicated. And you have too many crazy people over there ready to start something that can be fatal. :(
 
As Joe said on last week's radio show, I wouldn't trust any of these people as far as I could throw them. There may be exceptions, and al-Assad does seem to be one of them.

But the notion that there's an 'alliance of good' holding back the Evil Empire is pretty murky at best.

Did you know, for example, that Iran supported the bombing of Libya and assassination of Gaddafi? The Iranians were so in line with the U.S. and its allies, they may as well have borrowed Obama's press notes...

Iran hails death of long-time ally Qaddafi as ‘great victory’

Al Arabiya - Friday, 21 October 2011

Iran on Friday hailed the death of long-time ally and former Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi as a “great victory” and called for an immediate exit of foreign troops from Libya, the official IRNA news agency reported.

“This has been the doomed fate of all oppressors and tyrants throughout history because they ignore peoples’ rights when they rule their countries in the manner that they do,” Foreign Ministry Spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast was quoted as saying.

“Despots and oppressors throughout history have no fate other than destruction and death,” he added.

“We expect an end to civil war in that country, establishment of stability and security as well as a democratic government in Libya,” said Mehmanparast.
 
Kniall said:
As Joe said on last week's radio show, I wouldn't trust any of these people as far as I could throw them. There may be exceptions, and al-Assad does seem to be one of them.

But the notion that there's an 'alliance of good' holding back the Evil Empire is pretty murky at best.

Did you know, for example, that Iran supported the bombing of Libya and assassination of Gaddafi? The Iranians were so in line with the U.S. and its allies, they may as well have borrowed Obama's press notes...

Iran hails death of long-time ally Qaddafi as ‘great victory’

Al Arabiya - Friday, 21 October 2011

Iran on Friday hailed the death of long-time ally and former Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi as a “great victory” and called for an immediate exit of foreign troops from Libya, the official IRNA news agency reported.

“This has been the doomed fate of all oppressors and tyrants throughout history because they ignore peoples’ rights when they rule their countries in the manner that they do,” Foreign Ministry Spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast was quoted as saying.

“Despots and oppressors throughout history have no fate other than destruction and death,” he added.

“We expect an end to civil war in that country, establishment of stability and security as well as a democratic government in Libya,” said Mehmanparast.

I am so surprise of this that I am without voice.
 
Ennio said:
Speaking of the Cuban Missile Crises, there is an interesting comparison being made in this article _http://rt.com/op-edge/israel-rocket-obama-missile-crisis-444/ to the current situation.

From that article, we read that:

On Tuesday, September 3, 2013, the world awoke to a confused and contradictory story of two 'missile tests' off the coast of Syria. First came denials, then a series of contradictions from the US Defense Department, Navy and Israeli Defense Force.

Eventually the 'joint US/Israeli exercise' featuring Israeli 'unarmed decoy missiles' line emerged.

This story reminds me of the 'Topolov ICBM missile test' over Israel last summer - supposedly conducted by the Russians, although the Iranians also claimed it was theirs - that SOTT.net suspects was actually a comet sighting that became 'Russia lobbing test missiles over the Middle East'. I could well believe the US or Israel doing such a thing as a way of sabre-rattling and 'sending messages', but not Russia.

It's curious that this latest 'missile test', which Israel claims was part of a joint exercise with the US, was denied as such by the Americans.

The US denies reports that it has carried out a joint missile test with Israel in the Mediterranean Sea. The US Navy announced that it did not fire any missiles from ships in the region.

"No missiles were fired from US ships in the Mediterranean," a spokesman for the US Navy's European headquarters was quoted as saying by Reuters on Tuesday.

The spokesman did not give further details about the incident.

The rejection comes although Israel said on Tuesday that it carried out a joint missile test with the United States in the Mediterranean.

"The Israeli defense ministry and the American MDA (Missile Defense Agency) Tuesday morning at 9:15 (0615 GMT) successfully launched an Ankor-type radar missile," Israel's defense ministry said in a statement.

Pentagon spokesman Navy Commander William Speaks also said, "I have nothing to confirm those reports whatsoever."

Earlier on Tuesday, a Russian defense ministry spokesman said Moscow detected the launch of two ballistic missiles in the Mediterranean.

ADDED: It gets weirder.

Israel claims joint US missile launch in Mediterranean for 'target practice'

RT said:
Israel says it carried out a “joint” US missile launch in the Mediterranean, having earlier claimed ignorance. Russian radars detected two ballistic rockets fired in the region on Tuesday, sparking widespread speculation over who was behind the launch.

A spokesperson for the Israeli army confirmed that a launch of a missile had been carried out 9:15am local time (06:15 GMT), adding that US forces in the Mediterranean had been given prior warning of the drill.

A fighter jet launched an Ankor-type (“Sparrow”) missile as part of a drill to test the Israeli missile defense system. However, earlier, when the Russian government announced it had detected the firing of "two ballistic objects" in the area, Israel insisted it had no “information on this issue yet.”

Despite Israeli claims of a “joint US” missile launch, the American Navy maintained that no rockets were launched by US forces in the region.

"No missiles were fired from US ships in the Mediterranean," said the spokesman, who made no further comment on the matter.

Other members of the international community were quick to follow suit with France, UK and Italy denying any knowledge of the test launch. NATO said it was investigating the incident.

The Pentagon later admitted that the Israeli missile test in the Mediterranean was carried out “with technical support of the US Defense Department.”

The test was also “pre-planned,” according to the US Defense Department spokesman George Little quoted by Itar-Tass.

The Israeli Defense Ministry confirmed a US defense agency took part in a “successful flight test of the new version of the Sparrow target missile” in an e-mail statement to RT Arabic.

“Israel’s Missile Defense Organization and the US Missile Defense Agency officials conducted the flight test. The main contractor for the integration and development of the Sparrow is Rafael and the main contractor of the Arrow Weapon System is MLM of Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) in conjunction with Boeing,” the statement explained.

The Russian Defense Ministry initially reported that “two ballistic objects” were picked up on radars in the central Mediterranean and were moving towards the East. Later, citing a security source inside the Syrian government, RIA Novosti reported that the rockets had fallen into the sea.

Meanwhile, Syria’s missile detection system did not pick up any rockets landing on Syrian territory, a security source told Lebanese channel al-Manar TV.

Now check this out:

Pentagon: Israel test-fires missile, U.S. helps

CNN said:
Earlier, Russia announced that its early warning system detected the launch of two missiles in the sea. Russia's state-run news outlet RIA Novosti said the launch was detected Tuesday morning by radar in the southern Russian city of Armavir, citing a Defense Ministry spokesman.

"The targets' trajectories ran from the central to the eastern Mediterranean," RIA Novosti reported, citing the spokesman.

So the Russians are saying they tracked two missiles being launched from the sea; the Israelis owned up to one missile being fired from mid-air; and the Americans are saying they both were and were not involved in either scenario.

Hmmm...
 
Did you know, for example, that Iran supported the bombing of Libya and assassination of Gaddafi? The Iranians were so in line with the U.S. and its allies, they may as well have borrowed Obama's press notes...

Just shows you that it is all a play on the top, as for Iran it is nothing new because Iranian commandos were active and fought alongside Americans in invasion of Afghanistan. Like Russians(who were also through most of their history imperial power) they look for their own interests and would support west to get them of their back if they were not on the menu and part of the plan. This thing about good Russians saving the world is funny because it plays on people beliefs and savior ism program. and for the Putin - he was an ex KGB, you know what that means, it is not that they are flower lovers(not mentioning that real PTB works through intelligence agencies)? Russian mafia, one the most brutal mafias in the world is created by ex KGB agents. He did not really coincidentally get where he is today( I think he is a very good actor acting on some seriousness), he was part of Yeltsin administration, rising quickly(like having help from someone or something?). He got elected first time by promising to resolve second Chechen war and then blowing up his people up in one building by his FSB buddies after which he got elected, not mentioning many "Chechen" terrorists attacks in subways that resulted in greater state control like in the U.S., so many people can dream on if they think there is a savior politician or country that will set things right.
 
I have a fantastic explanation here :halo:

It is about balance - STS vs STO; lie vs truth... My point is that "good guys" cannot fight "bad" with "physical means". Only who can confront one big bad in this 3d STS world -is another bad. But the catch is how to "activate" that another - maybe by asking help. Interesting is when it is only one bad - it is growing rapidly and therefore oppressing more and more people who may ask for help. So there is a kernel for restoring balance - people who seek the truth and who distribute it. As that truth movement is spreading, "universe" is answering by activating/boosting another bad who will out/balance theretofore only dominate force. And in that clash of titans - there is opportunity for "good guys" (AKA smart ones) to "sprout and flourish" so to say. "Kad se dva tuku treći koristi" - When two are fighting - third makes the most of it - is an old say here... Unipolar world is speeding up decay and Bipolar slowing down. So Russia is now being promoted (not from first media layer - but "deeper" one; one who is now probably installing a "matrix" for 4th density Earth) and "American empire" is on its dusk... I mean, even Pope is on Putin's side now - and can something be more suspicious than Vatican changing sides (they "smell" something a while ago, so they elected new "humble" Pope Francis with Ratz still alive - c'mon! - obviously they are in hurry)... Zionists will be disposed of ("A: Rothschild will have a triple bad day") and the BIG question is who will come on their place "at the top of Pyramid" (Xionists maybe :-[). So my conclusion could be that on 4th Earth will be balance restored with two or more superpowers opposed each other in bigger STS domain and smaller STO domain that take advantage of STS's clashes... And as C's noted - smaller number of STO individuals can outbalance lager STS numbers... Oh it could be so interesting!

P.S. There is a comment by Gordon Duff that this "two missile target attack" was, instead, a failed false flag attempt:
_http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/05/schlock-and-awe-israel-missile-test-fraud/
 
jasminum said:
Will you share your opinion on Putin with me, please?

Putin is taking a stand against the West because the West are infringing on Russia's 'interests'. If the West wasn't doing this, you wouldn't hear a peep from Putin in terms of critcism about the West. Note that Putin has really only ever criticised the West when Russia was first threatened or attacked in some way by other nations (usually the 'West'). Just because it is politic, right now, for Putin to take the side of those criticising the US and Europe, does not mean that he shares the same beliefs as the people. I'd say he almost certain does not. There are many situations where it is in the interest of evil people to take a "stand" for noble causes or speak out against lies and abuses, and yet it does not mean that those evil people have suddenly become 'good'. Personally, I am happy to make use of comments by people like Putin to further our own cause of exposing the simple truths to ordinary people, but I would never trust him or look to him to solve the world's problems.
 
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