Islamophobia in a 7th grade classroom (related to the NYC/NJ bomb incidents)
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Zaphod said:
Seeing as how you replied 4 minutes after I posted the video, I'm guessing you didn't watch it. :P Again, I recommend you do.
As for the U.S. there's a chasm between policy and practice. Muslims, for example, are free to live in the States and to practice their religion. That's great. What's not so great is that there isn't a Muslim community in the States that hasn't been infiltrated by FBI informants and spies. What's not so great is the general level of racism and xenophobia exhibited by many Americans. Things are not so simple as the way you present them. And America ain't that exceptional.
.. well spotted
Zaphod said:
Lot less time than taking a trip to Syria yourself.
[quote author= Zaphod]The US has just about every nationality and belief system under its wing. It not only harbours them but encourages and supports them in the name of plurality. The west does this - no one else does[/quote]
Unless they criminalize blacks, see article below. Or other religions and races for that matter. Do you read Sott.net? Because it isn't showing.
Nixon's chief advisor confesses real reason for drug war was to criminalize blacks and hippies
https://www.sott.net/article/315078-Nixons-chief-advisor-confesses-real-reason-for-drug-war-was-to-criminalize-blacks-and-hippies
"You want to know what this was really all about?" Ehrlichman bluntly asked Baum of the war on drugs. "The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."
[quote author= Zaphod]I'm out.. I never expected anything like this[/quote]
If everything fails pretend to be treated unjustly. Whatever the act, the truly shocking situation here is that you justified Islamphobia in a topic that is about a little Girl that is racially bullied.
How about you start your own topic. And don't worry, I will leave you alone. Why should I bother when your cup is already full.
Unless they criminalize blacks, see article below. Or other religions and races for that matter. Do you read Sott.net? Because it isn't showing.
Nixon's chief advisor confesses real reason for drug war was to criminalize blacks and hippies
https://www.sott.net/article/315078-Nixons-chief-advisor-confesses-real-reason-for-drug-war-was-to-criminalize-blacks-and-hippies
"You want to know what this was really all about?" Ehrlichman bluntly asked Baum of the war on drugs. "The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."
[quote author= Zaphod]I'm out.. I never expected anything like this[/quote]
If everything fails pretend to be treated unjustly. Whatever the act, the truly shocking situation here is that you justified Islamphobia in a topic that is about a little Girl that is racially bullied.
How about you start your own topic. And don't worry, I will leave you alone. Why should I bother when your cup is already full.
Phill4
The Living Force
Not to complicate the issue, but througout history , the english have destroyed, occupied and implated its culture by force in other places in the most horrible ways.
You said it when you replied to my post, "To your knowledge" you need more knowledge then and you are not undertanding what i wrote, the means. Is. Tolerance.
You cannot force anyone to change its roots and its everything to not upset you, i as an inmigrant in the US can say that. Most inmigrants don't just land and build palaces to live in out of the blue. They struggle to keep together. You are not seeing them as people as human beings.
It is clear you don't want to loose your culture and your people, they don't either, they love their culture as much as you yours.
on the other hand what has the west done to the east so as to make them run to europe?? Lose theyr homes and everything, What has the UK done to the world to cause this situation? I suggest you get more knowledge. And reconsider your complains and find who is to blame, and i don't think you will like to see whose hands are pulling the strings. Who do you think is to blame for this situation in the first place.
You said it when you replied to my post, "To your knowledge" you need more knowledge then and you are not undertanding what i wrote, the means. Is. Tolerance.
You cannot force anyone to change its roots and its everything to not upset you, i as an inmigrant in the US can say that. Most inmigrants don't just land and build palaces to live in out of the blue. They struggle to keep together. You are not seeing them as people as human beings.
It is clear you don't want to loose your culture and your people, they don't either, they love their culture as much as you yours.
on the other hand what has the west done to the east so as to make them run to europe?? Lose theyr homes and everything, What has the UK done to the world to cause this situation? I suggest you get more knowledge. And reconsider your complains and find who is to blame, and i don't think you will like to see whose hands are pulling the strings. Who do you think is to blame for this situation in the first place.
Zaphod
Jedi
Felipe4 said:
You say this like it's something unique to the English, which it most certainly isn't. If we are to take for instance, the Crusades, do you know they happened after 300 years of Muslim aggression and take-over of Christain held territories? And when Islam took these lands, it was brutal. You joined Islam or you faced the most barbaric slavery imaginable.
There is nothing unique about what Europeans did - the only thing unique is how we're beating ourselves up about it
[quote author= Zaphod]the only thing unique is how we're beating ourselves up about it[/quote]
Like trying to learn from the past isn't important.
The past does not exists to remind the present that the future cannot change. The past exist for the sake of the future. People who brush that off so easily are bound to let history repeat itself.
[quote author= Zaphod]You say this like it's something unique to the English[/quote]
No he didn't, he just wanted to give you an example closer at home. But since you ignore everything else that has been said to you and immediately basically start to defend British Imperialism as no big deal just shows again how incredible biased you are.
[quote author= Zaphod]If we are to take for instance[/quote]
If you look for instance how the British Empire and it's Western companions crushed progressive Arab independent/sovereign governments/movements throughout late history in favor of setting up Wahabism puppet regimes that serve as vassal states you might start to actually understand how radical Islam was able to grow. The Middle East would have looked completely different without Western interference.
The subject about Radical Islam is also a lot more complicated than you think it is. You're simplified ignorant way of looking at the situation won't fix anything. In fact it will only create further polarization and make matters worse.
Like trying to learn from the past isn't important.
The past does not exists to remind the present that the future cannot change. The past exist for the sake of the future. People who brush that off so easily are bound to let history repeat itself.
[quote author= Zaphod]You say this like it's something unique to the English[/quote]
No he didn't, he just wanted to give you an example closer at home. But since you ignore everything else that has been said to you and immediately basically start to defend British Imperialism as no big deal just shows again how incredible biased you are.
[quote author= Zaphod]If we are to take for instance[/quote]
If you look for instance how the British Empire and it's Western companions crushed progressive Arab independent/sovereign governments/movements throughout late history in favor of setting up Wahabism puppet regimes that serve as vassal states you might start to actually understand how radical Islam was able to grow. The Middle East would have looked completely different without Western interference.
The subject about Radical Islam is also a lot more complicated than you think it is. You're simplified ignorant way of looking at the situation won't fix anything. In fact it will only create further polarization and make matters worse.
PhoenixToEmber
Jedi Council Member
I get the impression that if Zaphod were in that classroom instead of me, he not only would have done nothing about it, but might have even approved of the way the girl was being treated.
Janek
The Force is Strong With This One
Are You so sure about that?Zaphod said:
https://www.sott.net/article/314276-Rise-and-Fall-of-Islam-in-Europe-When-the-Moors-Muslims-ruled-Europe
I noticed You don't like watching too long documents, but i recomend You this one. Things are not so black and white as sometimes we would wish they would be.
Zaphod
Jedi
bjorn said:
Like trying to learn from the past isn't important.
The past does not exists to remind the present that the future cannot change. The past exist for the sake of the future. People who brush that off so easily are bound to let history repeat itself.
[quote author= Zaphod]You say this like it's something unique to the English[/quote]
No he didn't, he just wanted to give you an example closer at home. But since you ignore everything else that has been said to you and immediately basically start to defend British Imperialism as no big deal just shows again how incredible biased you are.
[quote author= Zaphod]If we are to take for instance[/quote]
If you look for instance how the British Empire and it's Western companions crushed progressive Arab independent/sovereign governments/movements throughout late history in favor of setting up Wahabism puppet regimes that serve as vassal states you might start to actually understand how radical Islam was able to grow. The Middle East would have looked completely different without Western interference.
The subject about Radical Islam is also a lot more complicated than you think it is. You're simplified ignorant way of looking at the situation won't fix anything. In fact it will only create further polarization and make matters worse.
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Learning from the past is important.. wringing your hands and beating yourself for the rest of eternity over it is retarded
We in the west have, the most progressive, most equal, most welcoming, tolerant and multicultural society in recorded human history. Despite the problems it may have, this direction is out-developing everyone else, by a serious margin. We have in our history, spread that enlightenment to others - at times, in a somewhat unpleasant fashion but.. we are the reason they have irrigation, medicine, schools, a government etc etc. so it hasn't all been bad
We have made the model for the rest of the world to follow. Join us or leave. Please tell us which Islamic country you'd rather live in
