Israel-Palestine War: Hamas Breaks Out of Gaza, Israel Responds With Genocide

[seek10]

Interesting claim from Pepe Escobar, that Russia intervened and shot down an Israeli jet on its way to nuke Iran.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1781652011173253524

If one shot down plane with nuclear bomb, will it make nuke to explode? I am not sure.
Does it need exclusive "arming" of the bomb? I am not sure of how "arming switch" works.
Even if the plane crashes and needs arming, does bomb shell crack and nuclear material spread on the surface? .

It looks it doesn't explode.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1781658268231692581

 

[mabar]

Here is a twitter comment by a Polish expert in terrorism and ME/Asia/Africa, written with his typical black humour, or derision, but straight to the point, posted a bit more than 12 hours ago; translated:

That was pretty much of what happened... - visually?... I just came up with this version, If that's what really happened, then all the more reason for the little that was seen, right?

Jordan involvement, the attack on Irak yesterday, somehow I think is related.

EXCLUSIVE

THE REAL STORY OF THE ISRAELI COUNTER RESPONSE

From a very high level intel source.

In Asia.

NOT Russia-China.

Although the strategic partnership, of course, exchanges at the highest level 24-7.

Confirmed and re-confirmed.

It will be great to know what Sy Hersh hears from his Beltway sources.

Here we go.

Israel initially chose to respond with extreme force.

An F-35 loaded with a nuclear bomb was sent east over Jordan.

The mission: cause a high-altitude detonation over Iran that would provoke a surge in the high-capacity power lines, crippling Iran's electric grid, as well as disabling all electronic devices.

An EMP attack.

However...

... As the Israeli F-35 was leaving Jordanian airspace it was shot down by the Russian Air Force.

Hence the publicised version of the Israeli counter response was such a travesty.

In the end all sides decided not to publicise the real news - to de-escalate what could well turn into WWIII.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1781652011173253524

 

[Windmill knight]

I have no doubt that Pepe Escobar is sincere and generally clever on his analyses. However, there have been a few occasions on which he quotes personal sources with rather scandalous information, and later I see no corroboration from anywhere else, whether from other sources or observed facts. This suggests that he is often fed false information and he naively repeats it. So I'm quite skeptical about the downed Israeli F-35 claim.

 

[Liliea]

It could not be any other way..

US House passes $95 billion Ukraine, Israel aid package, sends to Senate​

WASHINGTON, April 20 (Reuters) - The U.S. House of Representatives on Saturday with broad bipartisan support passed a $95 billion legislative package providing security assistance to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan, over bitter objections from Republican hardliners.
The legislation now proceeds to the Democratic-majority Senate, which passed a similar measure more than two months ago. U.S. leaders from Democratic President Joe Biden to top Senate Republican Mitch McConnell have been urging embattled Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson to bring it up for a vote.

The Senate is expected to pass the measure next week, sending it to Biden to sign into law.
A dozen or so Democratic lawmakers waved small Ukrainian flags as it became clear that element of the package was headed to passage. Johnson told lawmakers that was a "violation of decorum."
Johnson this week chose to ignore ouster threats by hardline members of his fractious 218-213 majority and push forward the measure that includes some $60.84 billion for Ukraine as it struggles to fight off a two-year Russian invasion.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-house-vote-long-awaited-95-billion-ukraine-israel-aid-package-2024-04-20/

 

[BHelmet]

Personally, I think it’s more like what Peppy Ice Cream Bar and See More are fed through back channels and then allowed to say.

I find it interesting that Pepe makes none of his so-called geopolitical analysis on Brazil of which he is allegedly a native. Almost all his biographies contain the exact same word for word narrative. Just all of a sudden in the 1990’s he becomes an investigative journalist expert out of nowhere. The “famous and popular Brazilian journalist” aspect of his bio which is the mid 80’s involved him being accused of plagiarism of Rolling Stone and a few pop star interviews which resulted in his being terminated from the Brazilian newspaper. His writing was on pop culture, not geopolitics. After that he surfaced outside of Brasil as a sudden geopolitical expert. I could find No mention of his education or credentials.

I personally had dozens of Brazilian customers very well versed in English and they all retained a distinctive Portuguese accent. Pepe actually sounds like his native language was Spanish (as does his name). Of course that is just anecdotal on my part.

To sum up, he is a sort of loosely controlled opposition alternative voice, in my opinion.

 

[loreta]

I'd like to know what @Joe and @Niall think of Pepe Escobar, please.

 

[mabar]

I have no doubt that Pepe Escobar is sincere and generally clever on his analyses. However, there have been a few occasions on which he quotes personal sources with rather scandalous information, and later I see no corroboration from anywhere else, whether from other sources or observed facts. This suggests that he is often fed false information and he naively repeats it. So I'm quite skeptical about the downed Israeli F-35 claim.

Scott Ritter takes on Pepe's post.
On the part that Israel would not do it because it would blow up treaties and laws, I don't think Israel is very concern about it, as commentators had point out.

I would like to ask, what is Israel's red line and/or does it have one?

It is striking that he is asking for a retraction, though.

Pepe Escobar has written a post where he reports that an Israeli F-35 carrying a nuclear weapon was shot down over Jordan by a Russian fighter.

While I respect Pepe as a journalist, his source is wrong.

Israel would never take such a precipitous action. Not only would it provide public acknowledgment of Israeli nuclear weapons capability, thereby putting Israel in open violation of existing agreements between it and the U.S., it would also put Israel in violation of the 1968 Outer Space Treaty prohibiting the deployment and/or use of nuclear weapons in space and the Biden administration’s recent admonishments in this regard.

Moreover, the scenario describes makes no sense in terms of the characterization of the weapons involved, both in terms of the alleged Russian-Israeli engagement, and what Israel would hope happens regarding EMP.

This is, in every way shape and form nonsensical reporting.

Pepe should retract his post.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1781799446826627475

 

[Liliea]

I think the advantage of Pepe Escobar is that he lives in Asia and knows well the internal politics, he writes well and has historical knowledge that he applies to his narrative, for me it is clear that he is not very neutral, that he pushes the Brics agenda and that he likes it, so I also feel him sincere. I read him on the Saker Blog back in 2015 so I can also see sometimes he exaggerates with some pretention to see how far he can get it right, so yes in that sense he is a bit no-controlled.

 

[Ursus Minor]

Is there a possibility that the US may double cross Israel and throw them 'under a bus' at some stage? Maybe much like they are planning to do to Zelensky? Israel is, afterall an endless drain on resources.... and a CONSTANT source of problems which not everyone in Washington welcomes.

Q: (Ursus Minor) Has Israel hidden small nukes in Europe and the U.S. for retaliation?

A: Yes.

Before throwing Israel 'under the bus' the US would be well advised to find out the locations of those devices...

 

[Evan]

Someone posted this in response to Ritter’s reaction to Zelensky’s tweet about the $60 billion. I thought it tied nicely this thread with the Putin/Ukraine thread.

 

[mabar]

Someone posted this in response to Ritter’s reaction to Zelensky’s tweet about the $60 billion. I thought it tied nicely this thread with the Putin/Ukraine thread.
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He not so far off the mark, though. It reminds me of this article - convenient to read all parts. It's a good thing I remembered, I will read it again.
Jupiter, Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce, and the Return of the Mongols Part 4, by LKJ

 

[Evan]

He not so far off the mark, though. It reminds me of this article - convenient to read all parts. It's a good thing I remembered, I will read it again.
Jupiter, Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce, and the Return of the Mongols Part 4, by LKJ

Thanks @mabar ! I’ve read that as well in the past, but I agree that I could use a refresher. It’s good to review and revisit in light of the knowledge acquired in the intervening years, to remind ourselves of what we thought we knew then and what we’ve learned since. So thank you for that.

 

[Evan]

Okay just reading through that link Mabar posted above, and the following bit jumped out at me: “At this point, the West Turkish kingdom arose, a confederation of tribes ruled by a Kagan, or Khagan. The Khazars later adopted this title for their rulers as well.” I don’t have to remind anyone here what Victoria Nuland’s husband’s name is, and how that applies to the entire Project Ukraine.

 

[hlat]

Scott Ritter takes on Pepe's post.
On the part that Israel would not do it because it would blow up treaties and laws, I don't think Israel is very concern about it, as commentators had point out.

I would like to ask, what is Israel's red line and/or does it have one?

It is striking that he is asking for a retraction, though.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1781799446826627475

Scott Ritter saying Hamas made October 7 happen shows me that he doesn't know what he is talking about.

 

[Keit]

Someone posted this in response to Ritter’s reaction to Zelensky’s tweet about the $60 billion. I thought it tied nicely this thread with the Putin/Ukraine thread.

Please read this post, because it looks that Rabbi Shneerson never said it. It's important to remember that most of these things and stories are being created by white supremacy nationalists. Sometimes it's hard to distinguish truth from lies, but there is a certain flavor to them, just like there is a certain flavor to things Jewish religious people say. And so it's easy to recognize when one tries to imitate the other.

I also recommend reading other posts on the same thread, because it will clarify many other issues when it comes to the conspiracy of Jews moving to Ukraine. Including the simple "No" that the C's said regarding this.

Q: (PoB) Is there any truth to this story that is going around at least through the last 10 years, more or less, about how Jews are going to create 'Heavenly Jerusalem' in Ukraine?

A: No

Q: (Joe) How are they going to create the 'Heavenly Jerusalem'?

(PoB) They were going to move like two millions or something to the part of Ukraine that would be killed out. Some are leaving, immigrating, some are...

(L) But God didn't give them Ukraine.

(Joe) If they move into Ukraine where there's been a lot of conflict, it's not gonna be heavenly.

(PoB) There is a whole conspiracy theory about it.