Israel-Palestine War: Hamas Breaks Out of Gaza, Israel Responds With Genocide

Ryan said:
I was thinking about the 50/50 thing today, and it occurred to me that if the Pareto principle accurately describes so many dynamics in society (eg. 20% of people do 80% of the work), and if the planet's carrying capacity is related to psychic hygiene, then perhaps it doesn't really matter if 51%, 60% or even 70% of people don't wake up. Perhaps all that's needed is for 20% of humanity to choose to make the world a better place and that will be enough.
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I do not think when it comes to work it works like that, you can not get anything by someone else working for you. Only when shtf that minority can be shown the truth but even then I think it is too late for majority. But funny enough that is the percentage more less C s spoke about and even elite want on this level to survive.
 
Corvus said:
I do not think when it comes to work it works like that, you can not get anything by someone else working for you.
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I think that entirely depends on what is meant by the phrase "get anything". Those of STO certainly receive something from others - it's intrinsic to the STO dynamic. "Giving all to those who ask" requires those who ask to accept what they have been given.
 
Joe said:
"Iranian strike on Israel could be as big as April attack - US official"

That is to say, a pre-planned, pre-agreed, "really big show" but in reality a nothing burger. The purpose being to appease Iranian public opinion.
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Well, it is exactly what Thierry Meyssan says in that video.


By the way, very interesting video for those who can understand french. He also says that there are two factions in Iran, one pro-Israel and one pro-Hezbollah, and that the pro-Israel faction is the strongest at the moment.
 
Today there are reports that Israel attacked Russian warehouses in its latest bombing of Syria. I can't tell if they are true or not, as I can find some but not much confirmation online. If confirmed, I wonder if the Israelis have no sense of self-preservation? They are obviously totally detached from reality, attacking Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen all at once, and soon Iran most likely - and now they might get Russia somehow involved too? Here it is for the record, time will tell if it's fact or not.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1841776270125740171


This other report in Spanish says the attack was "close" to a Russian airbase in Syria, but not on it:

 
Windmill knight said:
Today there are reports that Israel attacked Russian warehouses in its latest bombing of Syria. I can't tell if they are true or not, as I can find some but not much confirmation online. If confirmed, I wonder if the Israelis have no sense of self-preservation? They are obviously totally detached from reality, attacking Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen all at once, and soon Iran most likely - and now they might get Russia somehow involved too? Here it is for the record, time will tell if it's fact or not.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1841776270125740171


This other report in Spanish says the attack was "close" to a Russian airbase in Syria, but not on it:

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There is a lot of news on the net that after the incident, Putin personally called on Russians in Israel (most of them Jews from former Soviet Union countries who emigrated due to Israel's law of return) to leave the country, this would be indicative of something if it were not for the fact that it is false and the recommendation comes from the Russian ambassador to Israel... I don't think it was an intentional direct attack to the Russian base if it did happen because provoking Iran should have been enough for the psychopaths to try to escalate the war and they know it, Israel has been somewhat careful in its relations with Russia until now for a reason.
In a statement to the TASS news agency, Viktorov said the situation in the region has worsened and reiterated recommendations not to travel to Israel.

He emphasized that some airlines continue regular flights and recommended Russian citizens to use this opportunity.


"Currently, we recommend our citizens who are in Israel to consider leaving the region," declared Viktorov.

The Iranian Revolutionary Guards announced that on October 1, a missile attack was carried out against Israel, targeting the "national security" of Iran.
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Despite the seriousness, his words do not sound like life or death.

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Russia's ambassador in Tel Aviv appeals to Russian citizens: Leave Israel!

The ambassador of Russia in Tel Aviv, Anatoly Viktorov, has warned Russian citizens to leave Israel, reports Anadolu
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Ryan said:
Perhaps all that's needed is for 20% of humanity to choose to make the world a better place and that will be enough.
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Most revolutions have been done by an even smaller percentage than that, while an equally small percentage fought for the other side. The vast majority did not really participate.

It also seems that high FRV people and groups can have a much bigger impact than their numbers would suggest.
 
Jacques said:
Well, it is exactly what Thierry Meyssan says in that video.


By the way, very interesting video for those who can understand french. He also says that there are two factions in Iran, one pro-Israel and one pro-Hezbollah, and that the pro-Israel faction is the strongest at the moment.
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Another very interesting discussion :

chatgpt summary :

Here is a detailed point-by-point summary of the conversation in English:

  1. Introduction of Romain Molina: The speaker introduces Romain Molina as a well-known investigative journalist in sports and co-author of the book Yemen: The Wars of Good Deals. Molina has extensively researched the Ansarallah (Houthi movement) in Yemen.
  2. Pascal Boniface's Geopolitical Commentary: The discussion references a video by Pascal Boniface, which covers Netanyahu’s coalition and the internal political threats from Ben-Gvir and Smotrich, who opposed a ceasefire with Hezbollah in Lebanon. Boniface also criticized Biden and Macron's diplomatic failures regarding Netanyahu, suggesting they were ineffective.
  3. Iran’s Military Limitations: Boniface argues that Iran’s threats to escalate the situation are hollow because Iran lacks the capability to follow through, leading to the conclusion that other actors, especially the Houthis (Ansarallah), are more likely to take significant action.
  4. Recent Israeli Bombings in Yemen: Molina discusses Israel's bombing of the port of Al Hudaydah, highlighting that the Houthis control this critical area in the Red Sea. He mentions that Israel has targeted fuel depots and electrical stations, causing significant disruptions.
  5. Houthis' Military Actions: The Houthis have taken significant military actions, including attacks on global commerce in the Red Sea and a missile attack near Tel Aviv. These actions have helped them gain legitimacy in the Arab world, despite their controversial governance in Yemen.
  6. Houthi Leadership Structure: The Houthis are described as a young, clannish movement, heavily familial, with connections to the Hashemite lineage (descendants of the Prophet). Their leader, Abdul-Malik al-Houthi, models himself after Hezbollah's Hassan Nasrallah.
  7. Geopolitical Complexity: The speaker explains that Yemen's conflict is multifaceted, involving multiple wars and factions. The Houthis control northern Yemen but face military challenges from other Yemeni factions, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE.
  8. Houthis' Role in Palestine: The Houthis have positioned themselves as the only Arab group to take military action in support of Palestine since the escalation of violence in Gaza, further boosting their standing.
  9. Historical Context: The Houthis have been in control of Sana’a, the capital of Yemen, for over a decade, and their rule has been marked by ongoing conflict and heavy casualties.
  10. Saudi-Iranian Relations: There have been attempts at peace talks between Saudi Arabia and the Houthis, but these negotiations are complex, with the Houthis demanding significant concessions, including the payment of wages for civil servants and the reopening of vital trade routes.
  11. Hezbollah’s Influence: Hezbollah is highlighted as an influential model for the Houthis, who have mimicked many of Hezbollah’s strategies in their own media and military efforts.
  12. Jordan’s Role: Jordan, historically affected by regional conflicts, is in a precarious geopolitical position, balancing its relationship with both Israel and the Palestinian cause, while also dealing with internal security challenges.
  13. Saudi Arabia’s Dilemma: Saudi Arabia is portrayed as caught between wanting to broker peace with the Houthis to avoid war crimes accusations and needing to manage its role in the broader Middle Eastern geopolitical landscape, especially with regard to Israel and the U.S.
  14. Iran's Support for the Houthis: Iran’s role in supplying the Houthis with military technology is discussed, noting that while Iran does support the Houthis, it has not supplied them with its most advanced weaponry.
  15. Israeli-Saudi Relations: The discussion touches on the evolving relationship between Israel and Saudi Arabia, especially in the context of the Abraham Accords, where Saudi Arabia is seen as a key future ally of Israel.
  16. U.S. and U.K. Involvement: The U.S. and U.K. have been involved in bombing campaigns in Yemen, including those that have disrupted humanitarian aid in Al Hudaydah.
  17. Military Costs: The Houthis have managed to sustain a long-term conflict at a low cost, whereas their adversaries, including Israel and Saudi Arabia, face much higher operational costs.
  18. Economic Importance of Yemen: The economic stakes in Yemen are significant, particularly with regard to oil and gas fields, which the Houthis seek to control as a means of sustaining their war effort.
  19. Iran's Hesitation: The speaker discusses Iran's hesitation to escalate in the conflict, suggesting that Iran might not fully support Hezbollah in its entirety. Instead, they might strategically allow parts of Hezbollah to act, but not fully engage the group.
  20. Israel's Bombing of Syria: Israel has regularly bombed Syria, including its airports. Although it seems like a lesser-discussed issue, the speaker emphasizes that Israel's targeting in Syria goes beyond Iranian targets and includes other objectives. This raises the question of Syria's future, as it remains economically weakened and exhausted from years of conflict.
  21. The Key to Weakening Hezbollah: If Hezbollah were to be weakened, it would be most effective to target them economically, as Hezbollah has financial power, not just through narcotics but also through other means. There's no current strategy to target Hezbollah economically, and their deep involvement in global narcotics makes them hard to eradicate militarily.
  22. Hezbollah's Influence in Latin America: Hezbollah has a presence in countries like Colombia and Mexico, where they can blend into local communities, especially among the large Lebanese-Syrian diaspora. This makes it harder for Israel to target them, even if Hezbollah's members are involved in drug trafficking. Hezbollah's reach is global, and their involvement in places like Venezuela and Colombia provides a significant challenge.
  23. Israeli Army's Stance on Hamas: The Israeli Army spokesperson admitted that it would be impossible to completely eradicate Hamas militarily. Although Netanyahu wanted a retraction, the army refused, standing by the statement. This highlights the limits of Israel's military approach.
  24. Nasrallah's Role and Influence: The discussion shifts to Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah. An article by Dugin, a Russian political philosopher, describes Nasrallah's death as a huge blow to the resistance movement. While Dugin's perspective is interesting, his influence is overstated. He has not met Putin in person, and following the death of his daughter, Dugin's writings have become more apocalyptic.
  25. Iranian Influence in Yemen: Iran is not as involved in Yemen as some might think, though there are rumors of arms transfers to the Houthis. The speaker suggests that if the Houthis had received Russian weapons, they would likely have made a big display of it. Currently, the Russians and Chinese are not significantly involved in Yemen, though this could change with escalating conflicts in the region.
  26. China's Growing Role: With China's increasing diplomatic importance in the region, they might eventually involve themselves more in Yemen, particularly as the Houthis continue to be a threat to Israel and Saudi Arabia. The Chinese sell equipment to the region, but there has not been a significant military role yet.
  27. Reignition of Conflict in Yemen: The speaker expresses concern that the situation in Yemen might worsen, leading to a renewed phase of war. This would be a consequence of Israel's actions and the broader geopolitical fallout.
  28. Geopolitical Realities and Consequences: The conflict creates long-term consequences in the region. The discussion references a quote from Saladin, recalling historical and mythological ideas about blood and land. In the geopolitical context, violence leads to the rise of new movements, creating a cycle of conflict.
  29. Syria's Ongoing Instability: Syria remains a point of contention due to ongoing bombings and its weakened state after years of war. Israel's airstrikes on Syrian territory are frequent, and this poses questions about the future stability of the Assad regime, especially as it faces additional pressure.
  30. Hezbollah’s Global Reach: Hezbollah is not limited to Lebanon; it has branches worldwide. Despite potential tensions with Iran, Hezbollah remains a powerful, globally connected organization, capable of operating far beyond its borders.
  31. Iran-Hezbollah Tensions: There have been tensions between Iran and Hezbollah, particularly due to disagreements over Syria. Some members of Hezbollah were hesitant about their involvement in Syria, feeling it wasn't their fight. This has led to internal divisions within Hezbollah regarding their alignment with Iran’s broader goals.
  32. Iran's Strategic Calculations: Iran is a strategic actor, often willing to sacrifice smaller interests for greater gains. The speaker questions whether Hezbollah is becoming too costly for Iran to maintain, given the complexity of the Syrian conflict and Hezbollah's losses.
  33. Houthi Autonomy from Iran: The Houthis in Yemen are described as more independent and possibly more malleable than Hezbollah. While Hezbollah has gained global recognition, the Houthis are relatively unknown but could become a more flexible tool for Iran.
  34. Houthis' Potential in Palestine: The speaker suggests that the Houthis' relative anonymity compared to Nasrallah could give them more maneuverability in the region. Iran might find it easier to control the Houthis than Hezbollah, as the latter has its own national and ideological goals that sometimes diverge from Iran's interests.
  35. Nasrallah's Importance to Lebanon: Despite internal tensions, Nasrallah is still primarily a Lebanese figure, which complicates his relationship with Iran. His prestige and the sacrifices Hezbollah made in Syria created friction with Iran, making Hezbollah harder to control.
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axj said:
It also seems that high FRV people and groups can have a much bigger impact than their numbers would suggest.
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That’s my thought. The co-linearity of people working in groups would have a lot more impact than scattered and dismembered people. 1% of people with high FRV working together in STO fashion would have way more impact than the 99% that are wallowing around in their blindness and self serving interest.
 
Corvus said:
The thing is most do not ask, even refuse nowdays basics of common sense.
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But, that refusal is part of their free will to choose, in a certain sense... it does not represent a failure for there to be such a small percentage of the population, whatever that number turns out to be, that is somewhat aware of what's taking place and understand the dynamics.
 
Fluffy said:
That’s my thought. The co-linearity of people working in groups would have a lot more impact than scattered and dismembered people. 1% of people with high FRV working together in STO fashion would have way more impact than the 99% that are wallowing around in their blindness and self serving interest.
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It is like in any group united in cause concentrating their energy, that is why elite get away with so much, albeit on sts ladder, having knowledge how it works and striving towards goals while keeping all others ignorant to the real nature of reality to not threaten them, but opposite can also be made with more sto inclined groups, but they have 4d sts help that also takes things in their hands and this is in the end sts world so it is harder for sto because of limitations here and sts being natural habitat here. Most are NPC s at this stage. It is easy when you have enviroment and game in your favor, but when there is balance it is game over.
 
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