ITV documentary "Saudi Arabia uncovered": Ideology that breeds terrorism

sitting said:
nicklebleu said:
My feeling is, that this is going to end badly. It's not possible to maintain such pressure over time -
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This regime was inherently unstable -- from the very first day of its founding.

It began through British instigation. And what followed was no surprise.

"The Saudi family was primarily engaged in banditry. This pitted them in conflict
against the Ottoman State. By declaring them all apostates, in 1746 the Wahhabi-
Saudi alliance made a formal proclamation of "Jihad" against the Muslim world,
represented by the Ottoman Empire." (David Livingston.)

So this "Jihad" thing came quite early ... and it was first directed against fellow (true) Muslims, not the west. That part came much much later.
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And the 'jihad' against fellow Muslims is still the primary, if not sole focus. Any 'raging' against the West is indirect and anything more direct comes from Western powers anyway. But I think nicklebleu's point is valid since the pressure has dramatically increased over the past decades and particularly since 9/11.
 
Interestingly, PBS apparently also showed the ITV documentary and have posted it online:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/saudi-arabia-uncovered/

They have additional "reporting on Saudi Arabia":

A Saudi Death Sentence: Ali Nimr's family speaks about his death sentence, which sparked global reaction.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/video/sentenced-to-die-in-saudi-arabia/

The Saudi Monarchy: To understand Saudi leadership, start with these three men.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/who-are-the-new-faces-of-the-saudi-monarchy/

Everyday Resistance: From blogging to driving to protests, here's how some ordinary Saudis are challenging their government.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/5-ways-ordinary-people-are-challenging-the-saudi-government/

How James Jones Uncovered a Rarely Seen Side of Saudi Arabia
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/how-james-jones-uncovered-a-rarely-seen-side-of-saudi-arabia/

Iran, Syria, Yemen, ISIS: President Obama is expected to address these tense topics during his visit to Saudi Arabia this month
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/whats-on-obamas-agenda-for-the-saudi-arabia-summit/

So, it seems that the knives are out for the Saudis.
 
Laura said:
So, it seems that the knives are out for the Saudis.
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Interesting. Perhaps their 'usefulness' to the PTB is over? Or, perhaps, since the PTB didn't 'get' Syria, Saudi Arabia will do? I wonder how they're going to wriggle out of that one? Perhaps by chatting with Putin and changing their less than pleasant ways of dealing with their 'subjects' (slaves). They really should have seen this coming, but I guess evil just lives in a fantasy land protected from reality by wealth.

Are the 'head choppers' are about to get chopped? I suppose it made sense for them to try and bribe Hillary with jewels.
 
Ruth said:
Laura said:
So, it seems that the knives are out for the Saudis.
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Interesting. Perhaps their 'usefulness' to the PTB is over? Or, perhaps, since the PTB didn't 'get' Syria, Saudi Arabia will do? I wonder how they're going to wriggle out of that one? Perhaps by chatting with Putin and changing their less than pleasant ways of dealing with their 'subjects' (slaves). They really should have seen this coming, but I guess evil just lives in a fantasy land protected from reality by wealth.

Are the 'head choppers' are about to get chopped? I suppose it made sense for them to try and bribe Hillary with jewels.
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Also to bribe McCain, and I'm sure many others.

But if the knives are out for the Saudi, then why now and to what end? Certainly it has nothing to do with humanitarian intervention. Perhaps it's as you suggested Ruth where the PTB couldn't 'get' Syria, so now they're moving on with their other plans for reshaping the Middle East. The possible goals being to make the region more easily exploitable and pave the way for the birth of 'Greater Israel'. OSIT.

There's two SOTT articles pointing in this direction here and here.
 
A Jay said:
But if the knives are out for the Saudi, then why now and to what end? Certainly it has nothing to do with humanitarian intervention. Perhaps it's as you suggested Ruth where the PTB couldn't 'get' Syria, so now they're moving on with their other plans for reshaping the Middle East. The possible goals being to make the region more easily exploitable and pave the way for the birth of 'Greater Israel'. OSIT.

There's two SOTT articles pointing in this direction here and here.
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I'm not sure either. However, it seems that the West, through their ever "valuable" dealings with the House of Saud (HS), are having a hard time keeping a lid on the HS's not so well hidden nature (nor their own). Is it the end for HS? There are signs of pressure, or at least some media attention (with many apologists) over arms contracts and, in regards to their neighbor Qatar, over such thins as their 2022 FIFA cup and migrant worker abuses, which is mirrored in the HS - and to think the HS factors into the UN's Humanitarian department leadership; good grief. As for other adjacent places, there is little concerning what the HS is doing to Yemen in the news, silence out of Jordan (an ISIS revolving door with Israels help), the Turkey/Syria outcomes, with the former and their leader, Erdogan, ever the gangster and NATO puppet, and yet always there is Iran as a focus of the West, Israel etc. in the background. That background moves in congress, the CIA and within the circuses of the many "Think Tanks" that drive events, and somehow HS will likely factor into whatever the West does to agitate in Iran, OSIT. Notice the news out of Washington and world leaders concerning things like dirty bombs again, and their new focus on nuclear strategies?

I don't think nuclear exchanges are about to happen, guess that's open, yet a false flag type event might set the stage for a new U.S./Israel/NATO direction. Ramping up activities in the Ukraine might be a focus to help tie in Russia more so (yet the Russians are very smart), especially if this ill axis can hold sway over the EU's wavering allegiances, while starting their plan b, c or d - whatever it is these days in the Middle East, to retake or maintain control in the region.

FWIW, then there is the celestial intentions cover-up issues that may direct the ill axis hands, and that would be a loosing battle of wishful thinking as everything will then change. If celestial events were to start over the HS, thy will be done.
 
A Jay said:
Ruth said:
Laura said:
So, it seems that the knives are out for the Saudis.
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Interesting. Perhaps their 'usefulness' to the PTB is over? Or, perhaps, since the PTB didn't 'get' Syria, Saudi Arabia will do? I wonder how they're going to wriggle out of that one? Perhaps by chatting with Putin and changing their less than pleasant ways of dealing with their 'subjects' (slaves). They really should have seen this coming, but I guess evil just lives in a fantasy land protected from reality by wealth.

Are the 'head choppers' are about to get chopped? I suppose it made sense for them to try and bribe Hillary with jewels.
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Also to bribe McCain, and I'm sure many others.

But if the knives are out for the Saudi, then why now and to what end? Certainly it has nothing to do with humanitarian intervention. Perhaps it's as you suggested Ruth where the PTB couldn't 'get' Syria, so now they're moving on with their other plans for reshaping the Middle East. The possible goals being to make the region more easily exploitable and pave the way for the birth of 'Greater Israel'. OSIT.

There's two SOTT articles pointing in this direction here and here.
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It may also in part be a threat signaled to Saudi Arabia to stay in line with Western interests. Saudi Arabian diplomats recently made a trip to Russia. The face of the trip was to discuss the oil production freeze, however Turkey and Syria could have been discussed behind closed doors. If they ever were to make stronger alliances with Russia, that would be sure to be a threat to the existing power structures. Russia's partial pullout was highly praised by Saudi Arabia (they of course didn't like seeing their armies of terror decimated!),so, this looks like a diplomatic win on the part of Russia as well as a military one, particularly since both Russia and Syria continue making big advances.

If the US/UK does pull out the knifes on Saudi Arabia and Turkey, the information that could publicly come out from the infighting among these dogs will likely be very, very interesting!
 
If the US/UK does pull out the knifes on Saudi Arabia and Turkey, the information that could publicly come out from the infighting among these dogs will likely be very, very interesting!
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I'm not sure this is related, but recently there have been reports --notably in the British press-- about Saudi princes, critical of the current regime, to have been kidnapped and disappeared:

_http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/29/saudi-prince-returned-from-europe-against-his-will-say-staff
_http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/sultan-bin-turki-outspoken-saudi-prince-kidnapped-by-royal-family-say-associates-a6958736.html
_http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/01/has-saudi-prince-sultan-bin-turki-been-kidnapped.html
_http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/657102/Saudi-Prince-Sultan-bin-Turki-kidnap-Europe-Paris-Cairo

_http://www.inquisitr.com/2940733/three-saudi-princes-go-missing-kidnapped-by-saudi-royal-family/

Behind paywall:
_http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/middleeast/article4572381.ece [Saudi royals want to overthrow king and embrace democracy]
_http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/middleeast/article4724394.ece [‘Saudi prince kidnapped and held under secret house arrest’]

FWIW.
 
[quote author= Renaissance]Interesting. Perhaps their 'usefulness' to the PTB is over? Or, perhaps, since the PTB didn't 'get' Syria, Saudi Arabia will do? I wonder how they're going to wriggle out of that one??[/quote]

Indeed, It seems that the West is distancing themselves from both. Especially Erdogan. Why is that? And how better to destabilize the middle east than to somehow force Turkey and SA to set the whole region ablaze. Would it be so difficult to provoke both to go to war in the region? Whoever that might be against.

The house of Saud as it stands is one of the main assets behind Wahhabi terrorism. I doubt the Empire of chaos would compromise that. That said the Empire my decide that with their Wahhabi forces being defeated in Syria and future geopolitically plans ruined. The house of Saud has lived out it’s usefulness. The same could very well be planned for Turkey.


[quote author= Renaissance]The possible goals being to make the region more easily exploitable and pave the way for the birth of 'Greater Israel'. OSIT.[/quote]

Sometimes it got me thinking about the true purpose of Israel. First and foremost it’s existence paves the way for the destruction of the true Semitic people (Arab people) But how to kill of a billion + people. Israel may after all just be used and forced to be set on a suicide path managed by 4STS with the intent of unleashing their 'Samson Option.' This means nuking the entire middle East and more. Maybe Israel was never meant to last. But just created to serve one purpose.
 
I just remembered that I watched another excellent documentary about Saudi Arabia, which I posted here in October, so I thought I'd cross-post it in this thread:

luc said:
Just watched this episode of Abby Martin's "empire files": Inside Saudi Arabia: Butchery, Slavery & History of Revolt - I think she does a really great job again.
Really, there are no curse words available strong enough to describe these Saudi #**+"!! :barf:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rezvemRMelQ

Meet the new head of the United Nations panel on Human Rights: the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Abby Martin takes us inside the brutal reality of this police-state monarchy, and tells the untold people's history of resistance to it. With a major, catastrophic war in Yemen and looming high-profile executions of activists, The Empire Files exposes true nature of the U.S.-Saudi love affair.
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Laura said:
Interestingly, PBS apparently also showed the ITV documentary and have posted it online:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/saudi-arabia-uncovered/

They have additional "reporting on Saudi Arabia":

A Saudi Death Sentence: Ali Nimr's family speaks about his death sentence, which sparked global reaction.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/video/sentenced-to-die-in-saudi-arabia/

The Saudi Monarchy: To understand Saudi leadership, start with these three men.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/who-are-the-new-faces-of-the-saudi-monarchy/

Everyday Resistance: From blogging to driving to protests, here's how some ordinary Saudis are challenging their government.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/5-ways-ordinary-people-are-challenging-the-saudi-government/

How James Jones Uncovered a Rarely Seen Side of Saudi Arabia
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/how-james-jones-uncovered-a-rarely-seen-side-of-saudi-arabia/

Iran, Syria, Yemen, ISIS: President Obama is expected to address these tense topics during his visit to Saudi Arabia this month
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/whats-on-obamas-agenda-for-the-saudi-arabia-summit/

So, it seems that the knives are out for the Saudis.
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Thanks Laura,i watched the links.I have some idea about these atrocities,due to Thierry Meyssan`s analysis,but one thing is read them and another thing watch them. In my job as a server i had a couple from this country last summer and i ask them about this staff,and they confirm to me what i watched in the video. I will share as munch as i can.

I read in Voltairenet.og that Iran is preparing a revolution in Saudi Arabia,here is the link,but is in Spanish

http://www.voltairenet.org/article190906.html

And this link is about the atomic bomb in The Saud hands.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article190635.html
 
bjorn said:
[quote author= Renaissance]Interesting. Perhaps their 'usefulness' to the PTB is over? Or, perhaps, since the PTB didn't 'get' Syria, Saudi Arabia will do? I wonder how they're going to wriggle out of that one??
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Indeed, It seems that the West is distancing themselves from both. Especially Erdogan. Why is that? And how better to destabilize the middle east than to somehow force Turkey and SA to set the whole region ablaze. Would it be so difficult to provoke both to go to war in the region? Whoever that might be against.

The house of Saud as it stands is one of the main assets behind Wahhabi terrorism. I doubt the Empire of chaos would compromise that. That said the Empire my decide that with their Wahhabi forces being defeated in Syria and future geopolitically plans ruined. The house of Saud has lived out it’s usefulness. The same could very well be planned for Turkey.


[quote author= Renaissance]The possible goals being to make the region more easily exploitable and pave the way for the birth of 'Greater Israel'. OSIT.[/quote]

Sometimes it got me thinking about the true purpose of Israel. First and foremost it’s existence paves the way for the destruction of the true Semitic people (Arab people) But how to kill of a billion + people. Israel may after all just be used and forced to be set on a suicide path managed by 4STS with the intent of unleashing their 'Samson Option.' This means nuking the entire middle East and more. Maybe Israel was never meant to last. But just created to serve one purpose.
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Just a correction for clarity - Ruth and A Jay should be quoted above instead of me.
 
[quote author= munaychasumaq]And this link is about the atomic bomb in The Saud hands.[/quote]

I find the idea of The house of Saud possessing atomic weapons just as scary as Israel having it's own nuclear stockpile. Both are 'bad losers' and all bets are off whenever they will find themselves pinned down. Further destabilization of the Middle East can open a whole new set of dangerous possibilities.


[quote author= Renaissance]Just a correction for clarity - Ruth and A Jay should be quoted above instead of me.[/quote]

I see, it was a bit early at that moment. Sorry Ruth and A Jay.
 
The house of Saud is very afraid. Or are they preparing for war? Their militiary spending increased dramatically.

World military spending grows to $1.7tn in 2015 - Swedish think tank
https://www.rt.com/business/338456-world-military-spending-2015/

From the article:

Saudi Arabia overtook Russia’s position, spending $87.2 billion on its military program last year, compared to Moscow’s $66.4 billion.
 
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