Jake Sully, Anonymous and "WhatIsThePlan" - PsyOps?

[Anonymous633]

One heckuva paramoralistic post.

If thats what you got from that post than im sorry you missed the point

No worries, A633 - Jerry tends to be on the grumpy side.

Not grumpy, just acknowledging manipulative techniques. Like opening the post acknowledging (posing?) poor grammar, and the reciprocal pardon as the first law of nature.

Tell that to the guy who’s 5 year old daughter was raped and killed.

These ploys are used to skirt around the credibility of the reasoning here:

now you might be asking yourself why am i trying to stick up for FFAD fighterfromadistance, Jake, well because i really dont think he or anyone deserves to be treated like this.

I suppose a skeptical approach to reading a post may come across as grumpy.

WOW OMG jerry! what a thing to say, you didnt have to reply to this post and you are giving me more credit than i deserve, iwas quoted last night as for having bad grammar so thats how i started my post dont over think it

 

[Guardian]

Tell that to the guy who’s 5 year old daughter was raped and killed.

What? How does this horror tie in? Are you making a reference to the men at the Jedburgh Corp and what's going on in the Middle East?

 

[anart]

WOW OMG jerry! what a thing to say, you didnt have to reply to this post and you are giving me more credit than i deserve, iwas quoted last night as for having bad grammar so thats how i started my post dont over think it

No need to 'feed' Jerry either. ;)

Your points have been well-taken. On this:

And i will also admit that i came here to jump on the bandwagon, but that changed once i seen the members post,i personally think what you do in your life, and how you choose to live it is your free will,its your right to ask why, its your right to live the way you want, its your right to question everything, and its your right not to like me, but i will not ,not like you, i'll just be on my way.

I wouldn't expect any different. When it comes down to it, the only people who try to interfere with other people just living their lives and not hurting anyone are nutcases and you don't come across as a nutcase. I also don't think anyone here has any reason to 'not like you' - well, there was that big font thing, but I thought that was funny... ;)

Anyway - thanks again for the input.

 

[Laura]

I suppose a skeptical approach to reading a post may come across as grumpy.

Jerry, you are being about as helpful to all the rest of us as Jake about now. Are YOU an agent planted on this forum to create problems???

 

[go2]

now you might be asking yourself why am i trying to stick up for FFAD fighterfromadistance, Jake, well because i really dont think he or anyone deserves to be treated like this.

I suppose a skeptical approach to reading a post may come across as grumpy.

Or a violation of the rules of hospitality?

I love the hospitality of the Cassiopaea forum. It teaches by example, while encouraging others to be good guests. Mercy for our unbecoming manifestations has a powerful magnetic attraction. It sure makes life more vivid to learn lessons from each and every event.

 

[mcb]

An interesting night of dialogue. I was greeted by and read through this new wave of posts when I first got up, several hours ago, but this is my first chance to reply. If I might state the obvious for those that are new to this forum, I doubt that most of us "believe" much of anything that a new forum member says, since they have no established reputation. One does not, however, have to believe in order to have a useful dialogue.

I have noticed several new people popping up over the last week or two and asking questions about us, so perhaps we have been receiving investigative visits for some time. If so, I hope we responded well. :)

I have personal experience as what might now be called a "white hat hacker," from back in the early 1970's, within the environment of a state college/university system's timesharing network, before there were any laws about it, or any "community." I quickly learned the hard way to keep the methods and tools that I developed to myself because of other individuals with very different motivations that, apparently, were not so good at working out the how-to on their own. The networks and the tools have evolved tremendously over the past 40 years, but the people remain much the same, different people with different alignments. And I must say that I still identify at least to some degree with what some of them are trying to do.

 

[Cyre2067]

Fascinating reading. Thanks to all the newcomers for the data they've brought to the table. It definitely has helped me understand the big picture here.

 

[luke wilson]

I am disheartened by all the attack Laura and the group is receiving, it definately appears to be coordinated or some weird coincidence. However, I also feel that if Laura utilises the network principle especially with all the people where she lives then everything will work out for the best in the end. I am sure this is not news but it can't be said enough.

I don't want to be all cryptic but a saying comes to mind, linked with sports - football/soccer - in particular.

"Keep your eye on the ball and not the dancing feet"

Having watched Troy recently aswell, another saying comes to mind,

"Beware Greeks bearing gifts"

I also almost feel the book art of war applies to this situation, especially the quotes.

Fascinating discussion and very interesting reading all this new information being presented.

 

[Possibility of Being]

Hi Anonymous633,

we hear you. You say you don't get what we are about and that's okey, you would need to spend much more time with us to get it, and you have other things to do. But you seem to have bought this or that from the defamers and you seem to think you need to speak to our conscience. You don't need to. We are not a cult.

Notice, Jake is still among us. He may or may not decide to come clean. Perhaps he won't stay with us, since it doesn't look like we are following the same path. The future is open though - as are our minds - and as long as we don't know, we don't exclude any possibility.

 

[wormsnap]

The thing that I find to be disheartening is how what has appeared to have happened here is almost the same story across multiple areas, in multiple movements and organizations that show potential for novel discovery, that some sort of socio/psychopath wanders in. He gets to gain trust and appear to be a legitimate person, a little shaky in a few areas, but they appear to either be not that large of an immediate problem or something he can change.

Then during his time of gaining legitimacy he learns exactly what the weak points are and logical fallacies within these movements, and simply begins to exploit them back onto the organization. The chaos that ensues, while yes for those that end up figuring it out are more hardened for the next encounter, stalls the entirety of the movement and takes steam out of it, something which takes much more effort to build once lost.

If this cycle is allowed to rinse and repeat their hopes seem to be that they will simply give up. This to me is the main concern I have had lately, having seen this happen in more places than just those mentioned here. This is why we're seeing so much worldwide resistance, while these people are not consciously realizing it, somewhere in their subconscious they've all been trying to little by little do what they can to change things. The reason why there is so much violence in some of these areas I feel is because after being bombarded with such negativity and hopelessness of what the system has been doing, some of them absolutely have lost it. Their mind has just said "Well, that's about all I can do, I'm going to let the hormones take over now" and away we go.

But I digress, my point is by creating this drama, widespread amongst all of the freethinkers, and making it seem like there's too many active asshats for anyone to be productive, it's almost like they're trying to raise the subconscious noise/frustration level. Like they're prepping a reaction to an event they're working on. That's what my gut tells me when I look at synchronicity and patterns between all of these events happening in the online world.

 

[anart]

The thing that I find to be disheartening is how what has appeared to have happened here is almost the same story across multiple areas, in multiple movements and organizations that show potential for novel discovery, that some sort of socio/psychopath wanders in. He gets to gain trust and appear to be a legitimate person, a little shaky in a few areas, but they appear to either be not that large of an immediate problem or something he can change.

Then during his time of gaining legitimacy he learns exactly what the weak points are and logical fallacies within these movements, and simply begins to exploit them back onto the organization. The chaos that ensues, while yes for those that end up figuring it out are more hardened for the next encounter, stalls the entirety of the movement and takes steam out of it, something which takes much more effort to build once lost.

If this cycle is allowed to rinse and repeat their hopes seem to be that they will simply give up. This to me is the main concern I have had lately, having seen this happen in more places than just those mentioned here. This is why we're seeing so much worldwide resistance, while these people are not consciously realizing it, somewhere in their subconscious they've all been trying to little by little do what they can to change things. The reason why there is so much violence in some of these areas I feel is because after being bombarded with such negativity and hopelessness of what the system has been doing, some of them absolutely have lost it. Their mind has just said "Well, that's about all I can do, I'm going to let the hormones take over now" and away we go.

But I digress, my point is by creating this drama, widespread amongst all of the freethinkers, and making it seem like there's too many active asshats for anyone to be productive, it's almost like they're trying to raise the subconscious noise/frustration level. Like they're prepping a reaction to an event they're working on. That's what my gut tells me when I look at synchronicity and patterns between all of these events happening in the online world.

Exactly. You summed that up really well, actually. You know, there is a book called Political Ponerology that anyone in activism needs to read. It describes how pathological people take over movements - time and time and time again - in order to either render them powerless, or to subvert them to their own purposes. It was written by a psychologist who watched it happen during World War II in Poland - and once you see the pattern, you can recognize it anywhere. If you or anyone in the activist community is interested, I'd be willing to buy a few copies to spread around. It's a pretty heavy read (since it was originally an academic text - but I don't see any lacking in intelligence in the Anon community, so, that shouldn't be an issue).

 

[thevenusian]

The thing that I find to be disheartening is how what has appeared to have happened here is almost the same story across multiple areas, in multiple movements and organizations that show potential for novel discovery, that some sort of socio/psychopath wanders in. He gets to gain trust and appear to be a legitimate person, a little shaky in a few areas, but they appear to either be not that large of an immediate problem or something he can change.

Then during his time of gaining legitimacy he learns exactly what the weak points are and logical fallacies within these movements, and simply begins to exploit them back onto the organization. The chaos that ensues, while yes for those that end up figuring it out are more hardened for the next encounter, stalls the entirety of the movement and takes steam out of it, something which takes much more effort to build once lost.

If this cycle is allowed to rinse and repeat their hopes seem to be that they will simply give up. This to me is the main concern I have had lately, having seen this happen in more places than just those mentioned here. This is why we're seeing so much worldwide resistance, while these people are not consciously realizing it, somewhere in their subconscious they've all been trying to little by little do what they can to change things. The reason why there is so much violence in some of these areas I feel is because after being bombarded with such negativity and hopelessness of what the system has been doing, some of them absolutely have lost it. Their mind has just said "Well, that's about all I can do, I'm going to let the hormones take over now" and away we go.

But I digress, my point is by creating this drama, widespread amongst all of the freethinkers, and making it seem like there's too many active asshats for anyone to be productive, it's almost like they're trying to raise the subconscious noise/frustration level. Like they're prepping a reaction to an event they're working on. That's what my gut tells me when I look at synchronicity and patterns between all of these events happening in the online world.

Yep. I think you have it right. It is pretty discouraging. It takes a lot of energy and work to root out the lies that are everywhere.

 

[wormsnap]

The thing that I find to be disheartening is how what has appeared to have happened here is almost the same story across multiple areas, in multiple movements and organizations that show potential for novel discovery, that some sort of socio/psychopath wanders in. He gets to gain trust and appear to be a legitimate person, a little shaky in a few areas, but they appear to either be not that large of an immediate problem or something he can change.

Then during his time of gaining legitimacy he learns exactly what the weak points are and logical fallacies within these movements, and simply begins to exploit them back onto the organization. The chaos that ensues, while yes for those that end up figuring it out are more hardened for the next encounter, stalls the entirety of the movement and takes steam out of it, something which takes much more effort to build once lost.

If this cycle is allowed to rinse and repeat their hopes seem to be that they will simply give up. This to me is the main concern I have had lately, having seen this happen in more places than just those mentioned here. This is why we're seeing so much worldwide resistance, while these people are not consciously realizing it, somewhere in their subconscious they've all been trying to little by little do what they can to change things. The reason why there is so much violence in some of these areas I feel is because after being bombarded with such negativity and hopelessness of what the system has been doing, some of them absolutely have lost it. Their mind has just said "Well, that's about all I can do, I'm going to let the hormones take over now" and away we go.

But I digress, my point is by creating this drama, widespread amongst all of the freethinkers, and making it seem like there's too many active asshats for anyone to be productive, it's almost like they're trying to raise the subconscious noise/frustration level. Like they're prepping a reaction to an event they're working on. That's what my gut tells me when I look at synchronicity and patterns between all of these events happening in the online world.

Political Ponerology was one of my required reading courses of the last relationship I weathered. The womans father had an IQ of 186 and somewhere in the back of his head found it to educate me. Through that process of four years I was delving face first into the entire schmorgasboard of subversive culture before me.

Needless to say all of it had a very distinct impact upon who I am today, as well as my lifelong motivations and approaches therein. The fact that by the end of it I could look straight through a person of such stature and see nothing but the small man behind the curtain, frantically toiling away to move his next agenda, was quite a surreal moment. And something within that moment is what drives me forward.

It's like I'm geared to spotting the emotional ponzi scheme. A gift and a curse.

Exactly. You summed that up really well, actually. You know, there is a book called Political Ponerology that anyone in activism needs to read. It describes how pathological people take over movements - time and time and time again - in order to either render them powerless, or to subvert them to their own purposes. It was written by a psychologist who watched it happen during World War II in Poland - and once you see the pattern, you can recognize it anywhere. If you or anyone in the activist community is interested, I'd be willing to buy a few copies to spread around. It's a pretty heavy read (since it was originally an academic text - but I don't see any lacking in intelligence in the Anon community, so, that shouldn't be an issue).

[mod note - fixed your quote tags]

 

[anart]

Ah, you've read it - that likely has a lot to do with why you're grasping the bigger picture so well. You're right, it does feel like a gift and a curse, which is probably why they say ignorance is bliss.

 

[Possibility of Being]

But I digress, my point is by creating this drama, widespread amongst all of the freethinkers, and making it seem like there's too many active asshats for anyone to be productive, it's almost like they're trying to raise the subconscious noise/frustration level. Like they're prepping a reaction to an event they're working on. That's what my gut tells me when I look at synchronicity and patterns between all of these events happening in the online world.

I think your gut reads it accurate.

The rabbit hole goes further than most people think. One big problem, as I can see it, is with all kinds of "newbies" to the idea. We are programmed from birth that deep inside, we are all the same: more or less "good". It usually takes tough lessons to realize we are not. Not all. If you lack knowledge and true understanding, you are prone to depression and apathy or you get frustrated, then desperate, and - voila! They got you. That's a simplified picture, of course, but that's why we've been pushing the subject of psychopathy for so many years now. It should be taught from kindergarten on.

Really glad you are familiar with PP.