In another thread I posted
The interview mentioned is on youtube on a channel called Dagger Squad. Initially there are sound problems, but it gets better after 13 minutes. Overall the interview is very informative and Gmirkin mentions, he is planning to publish two more books, one apparently soon.
Gmirkin talks about how the Bible is influenced by Greek culture from about 17 min. He mentions that the foundation stories of the type found in the Old Testament are not found anywhere else in the ancient Middle Eastern literature, but in Greek literature there are many. He says that the cosmology of Genesis 1 appears to be based on Plato's book Timaeus. For context, Timaeus is a dialogue between Socrates, Critias, Timaeus and Hermocrates; see for instance the Stanford entry or the translated text.
Likewise when it comes to the laws in the Old Testament, there is no constitutional literature to be found in the ancient Near East but there is much available in Greek. (This is around minutes 19-21). The idea of a sacred national law is from Plato's laws (min 21-22) How the laws of Moses were written in Alexandria under the influence of Greek thought is mentioned in minutes 22-25:30).
From minute 27-29 he speaks about the history of Israel and Judea, and that there were never 12 tribes. The idea of 12 came from the Greeks among whom Plato recommended 12 tribes for the ideal state. Plato also had the idea that there should be a national literature and that everything else should be forbidden (minute 31-32).
The writing of the Books of Moses was a cooperative work between the Samarians and the Judeans in Alexandria, while the books that followed were written by Judeans in Jerusalem, when the alliance with the Samarians was no longer recognized (minute 32-33). The formation of the Pentateuch is elaborated on from about minute 37-42. Apparently Hecateus of Abdera wrote a history og Egypt in around 315 BC according to which an Egyptian named Moses was sent out to colonize Judea, Moses built Jerusalem, built the temple, conquered the surrounding territory and gave the Jews, the people of Judea their constitution and laws.
Later in Alexandria they, wondered why they had no copy in their library of the Laws of this Moses, and under Ptolemy II Philadelphus they requested a copy of the laws of Moses fom the areas of Israel and Judea. They invited scholars, basically Greeks from the Seleucid empire in the part that is now Israel and Ptolomaeic Greek form the South. None of these had heard of the laws of this Moses, but they created a fitting text in Alexandria, based on laws from Athens, based on Plato's Laws, and on a handful of Near Eastern laws. (Minute 37-42).
Then comes a question and answer about why the Jews or the Samarians and Judeans at the time decided to adopt this story. Gmirkin responds by elaborating on the idea presented earlier that Plato had laid out a plan for how to establish a nation by controlling the narrative of the formation of the state. The idea is that one has to convince people that it was given by God and goes way back, so that they believe in it and they can not even think of an alternative (min 43-47). The strategy has worked very well as one can read in the book by Shahak.
Then at about minute 56:30-1:01 they go into the story about Abraham and how the elements from Babylon and Mesopotamia came into the picture. Gmirkin argues that many of the scholars at the time, who constituted part of the ruling class had origins in the East. He says that the Assyrians in the 7-8th century swapped the ruling class of Samaria and Babylon. This might explain why "Abraham" came from Babylonia.
At 1:02 they discuss Berossus as a source for some of the Biblical material and Gmirkin agrees. Berossus, a Babilonian scientist translated much of the Babylonian myth and stories into Greek around 280 BC ready for the scholars in Alexandria to incorporate. For an example of what Berossus is supposed to have written about the flood, see this link. It reads like the story of the Ark of Noah.
At 1:07 the interviewer asks why the Greeks would allow the Jews to write that they were chosen people? Gmirkin responds by saying the Plato believed in one cosmic monotheistic god who created the Universe, but he also believed in the Olympian gods, any gods they wanted to have running around on Earth. People should be able to get along and be nice to every ones else's gods. The idea was that the world was peacefully divided up among all the gods, and that everyone respected that. Every god had their own land, they were like patron gods, they protected special people. Every people was a chosen people by that particular god and they all got along. It was a concept of inclusive polytheism.
Perhaps the last few lines gives an idea of why in Shahaks book some Zionists are not strictly monotheistic. It was simply not part of the base from which they arose.
And received the answer:There is a recent interview with Russel Gmirkin in which he has time to put forward his findings about the origin of the Bible and it's borrowings from the templates put forward by Plato. [...]
Good advice and I hope to write a more informative post, so rather than reposting, I will redo.
The interview mentioned is on youtube on a channel called Dagger Squad. Initially there are sound problems, but it gets better after 13 minutes. Overall the interview is very informative and Gmirkin mentions, he is planning to publish two more books, one apparently soon.
Gmirkin talks about how the Bible is influenced by Greek culture from about 17 min. He mentions that the foundation stories of the type found in the Old Testament are not found anywhere else in the ancient Middle Eastern literature, but in Greek literature there are many. He says that the cosmology of Genesis 1 appears to be based on Plato's book Timaeus. For context, Timaeus is a dialogue between Socrates, Critias, Timaeus and Hermocrates; see for instance the Stanford entry or the translated text.
Likewise when it comes to the laws in the Old Testament, there is no constitutional literature to be found in the ancient Near East but there is much available in Greek. (This is around minutes 19-21). The idea of a sacred national law is from Plato's laws (min 21-22) How the laws of Moses were written in Alexandria under the influence of Greek thought is mentioned in minutes 22-25:30).
From minute 27-29 he speaks about the history of Israel and Judea, and that there were never 12 tribes. The idea of 12 came from the Greeks among whom Plato recommended 12 tribes for the ideal state. Plato also had the idea that there should be a national literature and that everything else should be forbidden (minute 31-32).
The writing of the Books of Moses was a cooperative work between the Samarians and the Judeans in Alexandria, while the books that followed were written by Judeans in Jerusalem, when the alliance with the Samarians was no longer recognized (minute 32-33). The formation of the Pentateuch is elaborated on from about minute 37-42. Apparently Hecateus of Abdera wrote a history og Egypt in around 315 BC according to which an Egyptian named Moses was sent out to colonize Judea, Moses built Jerusalem, built the temple, conquered the surrounding territory and gave the Jews, the people of Judea their constitution and laws.
Later in Alexandria they, wondered why they had no copy in their library of the Laws of this Moses, and under Ptolemy II Philadelphus they requested a copy of the laws of Moses fom the areas of Israel and Judea. They invited scholars, basically Greeks from the Seleucid empire in the part that is now Israel and Ptolomaeic Greek form the South. None of these had heard of the laws of this Moses, but they created a fitting text in Alexandria, based on laws from Athens, based on Plato's Laws, and on a handful of Near Eastern laws. (Minute 37-42).
Then comes a question and answer about why the Jews or the Samarians and Judeans at the time decided to adopt this story. Gmirkin responds by elaborating on the idea presented earlier that Plato had laid out a plan for how to establish a nation by controlling the narrative of the formation of the state. The idea is that one has to convince people that it was given by God and goes way back, so that they believe in it and they can not even think of an alternative (min 43-47). The strategy has worked very well as one can read in the book by Shahak.
Then at about minute 56:30-1:01 they go into the story about Abraham and how the elements from Babylon and Mesopotamia came into the picture. Gmirkin argues that many of the scholars at the time, who constituted part of the ruling class had origins in the East. He says that the Assyrians in the 7-8th century swapped the ruling class of Samaria and Babylon. This might explain why "Abraham" came from Babylonia.
At 1:02 they discuss Berossus as a source for some of the Biblical material and Gmirkin agrees. Berossus, a Babilonian scientist translated much of the Babylonian myth and stories into Greek around 280 BC ready for the scholars in Alexandria to incorporate. For an example of what Berossus is supposed to have written about the flood, see this link. It reads like the story of the Ark of Noah.
At 1:07 the interviewer asks why the Greeks would allow the Jews to write that they were chosen people? Gmirkin responds by saying the Plato believed in one cosmic monotheistic god who created the Universe, but he also believed in the Olympian gods, any gods they wanted to have running around on Earth. People should be able to get along and be nice to every ones else's gods. The idea was that the world was peacefully divided up among all the gods, and that everyone respected that. Every god had their own land, they were like patron gods, they protected special people. Every people was a chosen people by that particular god and they all got along. It was a concept of inclusive polytheism.
Perhaps the last few lines gives an idea of why in Shahaks book some Zionists are not strictly monotheistic. It was simply not part of the base from which they arose.