Ketogenic Diet - Powerful Dietary Strategy for Certain Conditions

[Oxajil]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

It had gotten so difficult that staying in ketosis has been put on hold until the season changes. As much as we love the broth, having any within hours of bedtime creates a sweat-filled sleepless night. :(

I don't think that makes ketosis the problem, but rather that you eat close to bedtime. I used to sweat, be all warm and wake up in the middle of the night, each time I ate too soon before bedtime. Now I don't have those sweaty nights anymore after I stopped eating close to bedtime. It may also be some kind of phase you're going through. But maybe it's worth the try to experiment with not eating after 6 PM for example, ensuring that there is atleast 3/4 hours between bedtime and your last meal, and to then see whether you're still experiencing the sweaty nights. Here's what I found that may be helpful:

Dietary Regimen. Ensuring that your last meal of the day is about 3 hours before bedtime is important because:

- It ensures that your blood sugar is not spiking in the middle of the night, thus waking you up.
- It allows the body time to complete digestion so that when you are sleeping your body can focus on healing and repairing. It minimizes any discomfort that may be associated with going to bed with a full stomach.
- During digestion your metabolic rate and body temperature increase. This increase in body temperature can throw off the internal stimulus for inducing sleep.

So that may be the reason for the raise in body temperature and the waking up part.

 

[Laura]

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I have found that I have my best sleep and feel best the next day, if I go to bed just a LITTLE hungry. That is, I've had my dinner bowl of broth or small bit of meat, at least 4 hours previously.

 

[mcb]

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Has anyone else noticed better tolerance to cold weather since starting KD/bone broth? Our weather took a sudden turn last week, with highs around 55F (13C) and down in the 30'sF (near 0C) at night. To my own surprise, I found myself quite comfortable in a short sleeved shirt, while everyone else was bundled up in jackets and sweatshirts. The benefits of this high fat diet are simply amazing!

There is not much cold weather here to try it on. It's still in the high 80's to low 90's (F) in the afternoons (88℉ right now). But my internal temperature seems to have normalized, for once in my life, after feeling low for as long as I can remember. The MCTs in the ghee and coconut oil may have something to do with it. They made me feel hot at first, but now it just feels "normal."

Now that you mention it, however, it is cool in the mornings when I commute to work -- high 50's to low 60's -- and I am finding that I have to take my jacket off. Part of that, however, is that I went back to riding the bus to the light rail station, which means starting off the morning commute with a brisk 10-minute walk to the bus stop. But I don't feel cool beforehand, and I don't cool down afterward. I had noticed something different but I didn't think too much about it other than changing my habit of wearing a jacket at that temperature. Hmmmm.

 

[mcb]

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...It's all timed for a minute each on equpment and then rest pad. Anyways I thought if anyone has a Curves close it might be worth checking out.

I have thought about Curves, and we do have one a couple of miles from here that my housemate used to belong to. The timing is about right (30 minutes is perfect), but as you noted the hopping should not be part of it. Curves also had dietary guidelines that we both tried for a while, but they proved to be dreadful as we started to learn about paleo.

What I want to try is to exercise each muscle group to failure in about 60-90 seconds and then go on to the next machine. Have you found Curves to be flexible enough to adapt to your own exercise regime within those bounds, or do they expect you to "stick to the program?"

I am not really ready to try this yet, but I am looking for a way to eventually use exercise machines. Right now I am on the simplest of resistance exercises -- I have no strength at all to speak of. I have to go slowly, but I know from past experience that I can build strength if not muscle mass, given enough time.

 

[mcb]

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I used all those things when I was first adapting, last summer. That was a different "gurgle," higher up. The symptoms now seem to be coming from my colon.

Prolly 'cause you're not at zero. You really do have to go zero for a few weeks to kill the buggers off and then you have to be darned careful not to re-introduce them for awhile. And I can tell you, if you give them a lettuce leaf once a day, they will hang on...

OK, I am back at zero fiber now (no plant stuff). The residue from the sinus infection seems to have cleared out. Actually, I have been at almost zero net carbs for most of the week. My body seems to be completely adapted to running without carb intake, though I still have the usual problem of a metabolism stuck on idle -- my carb intake doesn't seem to have any effect on that, one way or the other. Hopefully the resistance training will make a difference, though.

My weight returned upward to my old "plateau" level of about 192 lbs. a couple of weeks ago, immediately after I posted about how low it had gone. Oddly enough, though, I have lost another 1/2 to 3/4 inch of waist size since then, and that was without resistance exercise. My height to waist ratio is at ~2:1 now, and I am no longer feeling heavy, although the BMI chart still says "15 lbs. overweight." I think the chart is very, very wrong. If my waist goes down just a little more and stays there then I will be satisfied and I will no longer care what my weight or BMI is.

I have had headaches sometimes in the mornings ever since dropping to near-zero carbs, but I realize now that these are sinus headaches, not low blood sugar headaches. My fasting glucose has been running around 95, which is high, not low. Having hot herbal tea in the morning seems to help, along with eating a warm breakfast.

My one concern is that that my chronic (lifelong) problems with "dry eyes," that worsened somewhat in the last year with my carb intake at 50 g/d or lower, could have spread to my sinuses (and potentially other areas such as my gut). I am just going to observe for the moment, and not try to do anything about it. Controlling troublesome gut microbes and improving mitochondrial function have the potential to "rewrite the rules," and the people that warn about zero-carb diets have simply not done this experiment. Nobody else has, that I am aware of. I sure hope it works!

 

[chachazoom]

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[What I want to try is to exercise each muscle group to failure in about 60-90 seconds and then go on to the next machine. Have you found Curves to be flexible enough to adapt to your own exercise regime within those bounds, or do they expect you to "stick to the program?"

I am not really ready to try this yet, but I am looking for a way to eventually use exercise machines. Right now I am on the simplest of resistance exercises -- I have no strength at all to speak of. I have to go slowly, but I know from past experience that I can build strength if not muscle mass, given enough time.

You just have to block your ears to their "diet and nutrition" advice. I just smile. I couldn't protest if I wanted too (need all my air)and it won't do any good anyways. As for doing your own thing, depending on how busy it is. However even if you do the routine, it is completely up to you how hard you work out. There's one minute on each machine, the more your strength increases, the faster you can go and the more repetions you do in that minute. You can pace yourself exactly as you want and the way the machines are set up, it's an upper work out then a lower body etc. I would say to skip the pads and go from machine to machine, is keeping the heart rate up too much. I just go on the pads and swing a bit. Sometimes they give you the eye but they don't say anything lol. I like it because it is basically my own pace, its all women and you are in and out in 30 minutes, wih every muscle group nice and stretched. It's truly a small amount of time for feeling good all day.

 

[WIN 52]

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On page 10 and am having a chuckle...

"Some of the guys here actually eat tablespoons of lard straight. Yikes!"

On July 13th, 2012 I had company. They all were nervous about my cooking. I served egg omelet where fatty bacon was sliced into thin strips then sauteed with garlic, onion, mushroom, butter. Then I put the whole eggs into the pan with all the lard and stirred them in a bit, added some feta cheese, covered and cooked a bit.

The looks on their faces was priceless. I told them to eat, they did and commented how tasty the meal was. Later that day they also commented on how filling breakfast was. I used to drain all the lard off and throw it away...lol.

This is a very simple way to ease into this. If a person eats one main meal a day like this, give or take a few ingredients, providing you can eat eggs, you will be able to easily last the day. The evening for me is rib steak. One steak including eating all the fat is good for 2 or three meals, with a few almonds.

The bone broth sounds like a must. I have made broth soup out of turkey and chicken bones, which turned to a gelatinous state in the fridge and back to liquid heated in the pot. People seem to eat that and enjoy it, saying how good it is.

At the moment it's raining Grandchildren. How good would it be to get them started on broths and foods like this rather than Gerber's mashed peas?

 

[mcb]

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...They all were nervous about my cooking...

Maybe they should be. High fat and high carbs do not mix. Were these people all low-carbers?

 

[Laura]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

OK, I am back at zero fiber now (no plant stuff). The residue from the sinus infection seems to have cleared out. Actually, I have been at almost zero net carbs for most of the week. My body seems to be completely adapted to running without carb intake, though I still have the usual problem of a metabolism stuck on idle -- my carb intake doesn't seem to have any effect on that, one way or the other. Hopefully the resistance training will make a difference, though.

That's the game changer. You have to tough out all that damaged/mutated mtDNA that is screaming for carbs while getting the wild mtDNA on the peripheral muscle fibers kicked into play with the resistance training. And that can take a couple of weeks. But it DOES work.

My weight returned upward to my old "plateau" level of about 192 lbs. a couple of weeks ago, immediately after I posted about how low it had gone. Oddly enough, though, I have lost another 1/2 to 3/4 inch of waist size since then, and that was without resistance exercise. My height to waist ratio is at ~2:1 now, and I am no longer feeling heavy, although the BMI chart still says "15 lbs. overweight." I think the chart is very, very wrong. If my waist goes down just a little more and stays there then I will be satisfied and I will no longer care what my weight or BMI is.

Good. I find that I lose faster if I just have some bacon and a sausage for breakfast and two bowls of broth during the rest of the day and go to bed slightly hungry.

I have had headaches sometimes in the mornings ever since dropping to near-zero carbs, but I realize now that these are sinus headaches, not low blood sugar headaches. My fasting glucose has been running around 95, which is high, not low. Having hot herbal tea in the morning seems to help, along with eating a warm breakfast.

We battled through that, too, for a few weeks. It helped to have extra salt and water.

My one concern is that that my chronic (lifelong) problems with "dry eyes," that worsened somewhat in the last year with my carb intake at 50 g/d or lower, could have spread to my sinuses (and potentially other areas such as my gut). I am just going to observe for the moment, and not try to do anything about it. Controlling troublesome gut microbes and improving mitochondrial function have the potential to "rewrite the rules," and the people that warn about zero-carb diets have simply not done this experiment. Nobody else has, that I am aware of. I sure hope it works!

Funny, I had blepharitis for years and dry eyes so bad I never when anywhere without artificial tears in my pocket. Haven't needed it for months though I do still scrub my eyes in the evening before bed with baby shampoo. I don't do it 2 or 3 times a day anymore; don't need to.

 

[Foxx]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

On July 13th, 2012 I had company. They all were nervous about my cooking. I served egg omelet where fatty bacon was sliced into thin strips then sauteed with garlic, onion, mushroom, butter. Then I put the whole eggs into the pan with all the lard and stirred them in a bit, added some feta cheese, covered and cooked a bit.

Also, cheese is quite evil (all dairy except butter, really), so if you're eating it, stop immediately.

 

[anart]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

On July 13th, 2012 I had company. They all were nervous about my cooking. I served egg omelet where fatty bacon was sliced into thin strips then sauteed with garlic, onion, mushroom, butter. Then I put the whole eggs into the pan with all the lard and stirred them in a bit, added some feta cheese, covered and cooked a bit.

Also, cheese is quite evil (all dairy except butter, really), so if you're eating it, stop immediately.

Well, it's his choice to stop eating dairy or not, of course. With that said, yes, dairy causes issue for all humans in one way or another.

 

[WIN 52]

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So, maybe for some people, they need a LOT of extra fat when they go full-keto, for whatever reason.

But for others, maybe NO extra fat is required, or just a little more than usual. Along with no carbs, you just reduce protein and and you're off and running.

I will note that today, I ate more fat. I was actually REALLY hungry at lunch time (which is not normal), so I had a nice bowl of yummy bone broth. I instantly felt better. I also ate dinner with another bowl of broth.

Who knows what will happen tomorrow!

Mr Scott, I have been thinking this exact thing. Since I reduced carbs loosing 90 lbs from 2007 to 2010 and having a 7.5 BMI since 2010. It seems like just a bit of fasting throws me into full Ketosis. I also have a T-Zone vibrating platform which since my stroke in 2005 has been my only work out.

I have noticed changes picking up speed lately. If there is some type of graduation or Jacob's Ladder event at hand, it would be wise to be ready.

That brings me to another alarm of sorts. One of the reports linked about the Keto diet....."As the underlying mechanisms become better understood, it will be possible to develop alternative strategies that produce similar or even improved therapeutic effects..."....

This was in 2006. I have noticed that a lot of people in positions of power have lost a lot of weight lately. Is the pill a reality? I say yes, for certain people.

I can't imagine they have faithfully read and applied the theory discussed here.

 

[WIN 52]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

On July 13th, 2012 I had company. They all were nervous about my cooking. I served egg omelet where fatty bacon was sliced into thin strips then sauteed with garlic, onion, mushroom, butter. Then I put the whole eggs into the pan with all the lard and stirred them in a bit, added some feta cheese, covered and cooked a bit.

Also, cheese is quite evil (all dairy except butter, really), so if you're eating it, stop immediately.

Thanks, though I find the Goat cheese to be much better than cow milk cheese, I do not eat much. Not a problem to stop. I have no idea about what cheese does to a person, other than the Goat cheese passes more freely.

 

[Foxx]

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Well, it's his choice to stop eating dairy or not, of course.

You're right--I should have phrased that in a free-will respecting manner.

 

[mcb]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

...Hopefully the resistance training will make a difference, though.

That's the game changer. You have to tough out all that damaged/mutated mtDNA that is screaming for carbs while getting the wild mtDNA on the peripheral muscle fibers kicked into play with the resistance training. And that can take a couple of weeks. But it DOES work.

I seem to be receiving messages from all directions about that. :) (Actually, the messages may be saying that it is urgent!)

My weight returned upward to my old "plateau" level of about 192 lbs. a couple of weeks ago, immediately after I posted about how low it had gone. Oddly enough, though, I have lost another 1/2 to 3/4 inch of waist size since then, and that was without resistance exercise. My height to waist ratio is at ~2:1 now, and I am no longer feeling heavy, although the BMI chart still says "15 lbs. overweight." I think the chart is very, very wrong. If my waist goes down just a little more and stays there then I will be satisfied and I will no longer care what my weight or BMI is.

Good. I find that I lose faster if I just have some bacon and a sausage for breakfast and two bowls of broth during the rest of the day and go to bed slightly hungry.

Oops, a slight slip of the brain. The scale is telling me I am 5 pounds overweight, which is 15 pounds above what my target was. It dropped to 3 pounds over, this morning (daily variation). I think what this really means is that I am done with the stupid scale for practical purposes, although curiosity will no doubt bring me back to it from time to time. Time to forget the target and just eat well!

I was going to bed slightly hungry for a while, although I was a little concerned that that could block weight loss. But then I went to two meals a day and I stopped being hungry in the evening. I don't know why. I am not hungry when I wake up, either. If I wait long enough, or if I see food, then I am hungry. I have been consistently having two meals a day, rather than different numbers on different days. Right now I am very curious to see how the resistance training affects weight or, much more importantly, waist.

I have had headaches sometimes in the mornings ever since dropping to near-zero carbs, but I realize now that these are sinus headaches, not low blood sugar headaches. My fasting glucose has been running around 95, which is high, not low. Having hot herbal tea in the morning seems to help, along with eating a warm breakfast.

We battled through that, too, for a few weeks. It helped to have extra salt and water.

I thought I was having quite a bit of salt, but maybe not consistently. OK, more salt -- thanks! And by the way, hot broth works too! I have a surplus of non-gelling broth from previously-cooked bones this week (still has good color and taste) and I am drinking more than usual.

My one concern is that that my chronic (lifelong) problems with "dry eyes," that worsened somewhat in the last year with my carb intake at 50 g/d or lower, could have spread to my sinuses (and potentially other areas such as my gut). I am just going to observe for the moment, and not try to do anything about it. Controlling troublesome gut microbes and improving mitochondrial function have the potential to "rewrite the rules," and the people that warn about zero-carb diets have simply not done this experiment. Nobody else has, that I am aware of. I sure hope it works!

Funny, I had blepharitis for years and dry eyes so bad I never when anywhere without artificial tears in my pocket. Haven't needed it for months though I do still scrub my eyes in the evening before bed with baby shampoo. I don't do it 2 or 3 times a day anymore; don't need to.

I used to use some sort of eye drops for dry eyes, but they didn't last long and the label warned against using them too often. So I gave up on that. If I am having more trouble than usual, I sometimes wash my eyes out in the morning and/or evening using an Aveeno bar (like soap, but no sting -- made from oatmeal), although I don't trust that brand any more and probably need to find something else. It's not too bad right now so I will just "wait and see." Thanks again.