Ketogenic Diet - Powerful Dietary Strategy for Certain Conditions

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There's a long article and a recipe here on sott: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/232028-Traditional-Bone-Broth-in-Modern-Health-and-Disease

Which I followed but thought that perhaps it was too much vinegar? (I used apple cider vinegar)

Also, Laura posted that you could use part ox tail and part marrow bone, which was the method I used. I also browned the bones before adding water. It was a very rich broth with much gelatin.

Slow simmer overnight worked well for me.
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I've been saving links when bone broth recipes are mentioned, but don't have the how to for canning:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,28799.msg368784.html#msg368784

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,28799.msg365080.html#msg365080

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,28799.msg362928.html#msg362928

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,22916.msg277526.html#msg277526

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Thank you both for your responses, and to anart and Parallell who responded on FB. I will read through all links once I have got the little one off to bed.Looking forward to getting the canning started as soon as possible.It was a wee bit exciting watching the man deliver all the jars,rubber seals and clamps today on a large pallet.Once again thanks.
 
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I am a bit weary leaving the cooker on while I sleep since it is the gas cooker. I am also concerned that all the water will evaporate if not supervised and everything will burn ( which did happen sometimes in the past when cooking soups and stews).
I ordered crock pot, can someone who has experience with this device tell me if this is safe to leave overnight and if you need to add water during cooking.
 
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Just a side note, this is the tip i learned from my parents - the onions will add much better flavor to the broth if you cut them in half and grill them on the stove for a while. Then you dump them in the broth. It also fills the kitchen with very nice scent.
 
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H.E. said:
I ordered crock pot, can someone who has experience with this device tell me if this is safe to leave overnight and if you need to add water during cooking.
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It's safe to leave on overnight and I personally almost never add water. If you're asking with regards to needing to add water over night--it's definitely not necessary.

They're very easy to use and quite safe as far as I'm aware (since they don't heat up very much).
 
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So in a crock pot it never reaches boiling point? Or it does and then you put it down and leave it to simmer slowly?
 
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H.E. said:
So in a crock pot it never reaches boiling point? Or it does and then you put it down and leave it to simmer slowly?
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I set mine to low and leave it for somewhere around 32-36 hours. It does boil, but it's a gentle boil, and the lid catches the majority of the steam and drips it back into the crock-pot normally so there isn't a lot of evaporation. If you fill it up too much, some of the fat might spill over, but I've had this happen and other than having a small mess, there haven't been any other problems. I think they recommend filling it to no more than 3/4s full, but I haven't really had any problems leaving an inch or so from the top--it doesn't seem to spill anything then, in my experience.
 
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H.E. said:
I am a bit weary leaving the cooker on while I sleep since it is the gas cooker. I am also concerned that all the water will evaporate if not supervised and everything will burn ( which did happen sometimes in the past when cooking soups and stews).
I ordered crock pot, can someone who has experience with this device tell me if this is safe to leave overnight and if you need to add water during cooking.
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You can also do it in a pressure cooker which takes between 3 to 4 hours.
 
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FWIW, my first batch of bone broth was in a crockpot on low setting for about 25 hours.

Second update: After cooling in the fridge over night I have some wonderfully gelatinous broth!! I don't think there were any knuckles or joints in the packages of bones I purchased, but there was a little meat and connective tissues remaining on them. I LOVE THIS STUFF!!! :D


Kris
 
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Psyche said:
nicklebleu said:
On another note ... I did a small experiment.

I recently bought a glucometer which is able to measure ketones (beta-hydroxybutyrate) in the blood. I did a few measurements while eating the reduced protein amount, followed by intermittent fasting and then eating a huge protein load. Here are the results:
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Hi nicklebleu, do you drink black tea? If so, let us know if your ketones in blood fluctuate a lot when you drink black tea.

According to one experiment, caffeinated beverages were discouraged because they found that coffee took a person out of ketosis. But this was coffee and as far as I understand they didn't try it with other caffeinated beverages which is quite another cup of tea. Coffee does raise blood sugar a lot. But black tea with butter is a marvelous thing!
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Hi Psyche,

I drink lots of green tea and oolong tea (which is a semi-fermented tea - halfway between black and green, so to speak) and this hasn't noticeably changed my ketone readings in the blood.
But I will switch to black tea next week and report back with results ... I would be very surprised if It significntly changed the readings!
 
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Foxx said:
H.E. said:
So in a crock pot it never reaches boiling point? Or it does and then you put it down and leave it to simmer slowly?
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I set mine to low and leave it for somewhere around 32-36 hours. It does boil, but it's a gentle boil, and the lid catches the majority of the steam and drips it back into the crock-pot normally so there isn't a lot of evaporation. If you fill it up too much, some of the fat might spill over, but I've had this happen and other than having a small mess, there haven't been any other problems. I think they recommend filling it to no more than 3/4s full, but I haven't really had any problems leaving an inch or so from the top--it doesn't seem to spill anything then, in my experience.
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I, too, have excellent results with a crock pot. 24-27 hrs. After about 2 hrs it boils lightly. The marrow comes out of the bone. It makes a rich, enjoyable broth. Today, I trying it with more bones and water than before. About an inch from the top. These bones I just got from the coop have more meat and fat on them. Look beautiful.

Since I have more volume this time I'm going to try it on high for an hour to get it started.

I can't believe how good I feel. Bone broth, near zero carbs for about 3 weeks now.

I dropped a few pounds when I stopped the carbs, mostly nuts. I am concerned about it since I very thin already. I've increased the amounts I am eating to see if I can bring my weight back up a little.

I am taking a close look at some of the supplements I have been taking. Some them were of course to handle a diet with carbs. For instance, I stopped taking the pro biotic about 2 weeks ago with no negative effects so far. A few supplements I really don't remember my thinking when I started them. Just dropping them one at a time, noting the results.

Great experiment, love the results.

Mac
 
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Being in full ketosis for some time now I have come across a problem that I would like to raise, which has only partially to do with the diet itself, but more so with external consideration ... not sure if that would be worth its own thread, so if the mods think so, glad if they move it away from here.

The problem has to do with invitations. My wife is a very sociable person (in contrast to myself), so we get invited a lot. Also we travel often and visit friends in other countries, sometimes we stay with them for weeks.

I had now a long conversation with my wife who at this moment is visiting said friends in Europe. We visited them last year too, and they asked my wife what the heck was wrong with me (I was on the Paleo diet at this stage - so now things have gotten racked up a notch from then). They think that I am totally obsessed with my diet, and they think that I am totally extreme. I do not impose any of my dietary antics on anyone else, but apparently they didn't like me cooking bacon every morning, but chose not to say anything to me. I wish they had, so I could have done something about it. My wife thinks that I was not very accommodating to our hosts, but I was totally unaware of this fact.

The other thing is that every time I am invited I have to either not eat at all, or phone ahead and explain myself, which I find very tiresome. My wife herself is also in a bit of a difficult situation, as she is usually the one they approach and raise their concerns with, instead of directly approaching me. She said that she is constantly defending my ways to others ...

This is a bit of a conundrum, as external consideration would mean to alter my diet to accomodate my/ our host's cooking, which of course usually consists of carb galore, gluten and dairy. I have tried several different approaches, but none of these seem to work well. I have tried to say that I am not hungry (or allergic), which generally doesn't go down well, as I was known to be a voracious eater. I have tried to explain why I am eating the way I do, but most of the time after 2 minutes their eyes glaze over and I can see that I have lost them. Obviously the concept of low-carb/ no gluten is too foreign for a lot of people.

I told my wife that I would be happy to try anything to alleviate this situation for both of us - except changing my diet, because that would mean to fall out of ketosis for a prolonged period of time. To me this looks pretty much unsolvable, but maybe I am not creative enough here. I also think that it probably comes down to psychology, rather than diet, so maybe I haven't really found my way yet. My wife says that I come across as very resolute and without compromise, however I can not completely see that myself. So not sure how accurate that is. Having said that, in my experience my wife is usually right in these matters. She says that I often overwhelm others with data. I try very hard not to, I only try to answer their questions. I think that I have become better at that, but that hasn't really solved the problem.

So, my question is: How do you folks deal with this situation? I am at a loss here ...
 
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Why not just tell them that you are in on the most cutting edge DNA repairing/rejuvenation research and you are conducting an experiment and you can't break the protocol for anything. If they can't accommodate that, then you'll stay home for the duration. And point out that feeding you is super easy because you don't need or want elaborate meals requiring a lot of preparation or variety. Plus, your consumption is modest so you are cheap to feed. Kind of make a joke of this last part. And tell them that they can judge the results themselves in about a year.
 
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Laura said:
Why not just tell them that you are in on the most cutting edge DNA repairing/rejuvenation research and you are conducting an experiment and you can't break the protocol for anything. If they can't accommodate that, then you'll stay home for the duration. And point out that feeding you is super easy because you don't need or want elaborate meals requiring a lot of preparation or variety. Plus, your consumption is modest so you are cheap to feed. Kind of make a joke of this last part. And tell them that they can judge the results themselves in about a year.
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Well, I might try that!

They already can see the results, everyone comments on the fact that I have lost a lot of weight and look younger. So the proof is there (except for the fact that my lipid profile is way out according to "normal" standards, which is a bit vexing).

But thanks for the suggestion!
 
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nicklebleu said:
Well, I might try that!

They already can see the results, everyone comments on the fact that I have lost a lot of weight and look younger. So the proof is there (except for the fact that my lipid profile is way out according to "normal" standards, which is a bit vexing).

But thanks for the suggestion!
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And then you can add a few interesting stories depending on how they react ;)

I usually approach it with the truth while taking them and their feedback into consideration, and respecting their choices. It can be an opportunity for great discussions when you are going to reject some of their food and don't want them to feel bad about it.

I think it is very helpful to just relax into the discussions, not thinking that people will react negatively, but if you approach it from a very exciting and interesting point of view, it may raise some awareness and at the very least, respect for your choices.

For gluten and dairy I usually say that I have gluten intolerance (i.e. like celiac disease) and lactose/casein intolerance and that my ancestors simply didn't ate those foods in our past and when they did, they got very ill and started dropping off like flies (which they did). I have had some interesting responses from people where they started appreciating how probably their ancestors never ate those foods either. Then, most people find it reasonable that gluten and other industrialized foods had morphed through the years to something that cannot be considered healthy. Almost everybody can remember how there were hardly any allergies or autoimmune diseases before (especially the old people), while now they are the norm. Weston Price's stories is also something that everybody finds very interesting: how certain populations were free of tuberculosis and cancer by virtue of eating animal fats and meat.

Most people can relate to a story or health insight since practically everybody is suffering from a significant health condition and/or knows someone close to them that does, whereas the role food plays in our health is by the most part largely ignored when it is obvious that it has been a key player.

I try to explain the benefits and how miserable I used to be before in simplest terms, but also pointing how people's health is so dire since the Industrial Revolution in an non-confrontational way. GMOs is something most people can understand, also the dangers of transfats. Then, people are always interested about hearing miraculous recoveries when evil foods were removed. Or for instance, how diabetics type 1 used to live to an old age at a time where they received no insulin therapy since it was not discovered yet. They just removed carbs from their diet.

Everybody agrees on how we should be eating like in the good old days, where people reached an old age with a better quality of life.

Anyhow, some stories might be more appropriate than others depending on how the conversation goes, but perhaps you'll find people cooperating with your diet and asking more questions if they see how you have benefited and how is it that you go about it. At the very least they will respect your choices or will likely take less offense if you reject some of their meals.
 
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