Killary Clinton, The Donald, or Jill Stein: The US Election

[Approaching Infinity]

I am not going to reply point by point to your post. Let me just say I disagree with what you seem to be implying about me, from what you seem to be reading into my posts.

Approaching Infinity, if you want to take that as saying that the important thing is that more whites are killed, and that it is not as big a deal that more blacks are killed proportionately, all I can say is, that was not my intention.

Mal7, I'll take you at your word that this was not your intention. But you still seem to be missing the point of my post: that my observations relate to how you come across in your posts. As you probably know, that is a huge part of what we do on this forum, and within FOTCM: try to understand how we appear to others, and how to bring that more in line with how we appear to ourselves. I.e., to see ourselves objectively. Doesn't it concern you that others (I'm not the only one) cannot discern your real intent, and that this happens repeatedly and consistently? And that, rather than take some rather gentle observations of this nature on board, and engaging in some networking and sharing of your inner state, you take offense and just blame others? If that's the case, perhaps you are right, and this forum just isn't the right place for you at the moment.

 

[Nević Nenad]

I would say that 'the rest of the world' sees it much simpler, if they vote Killary, the USA is going to be incinerated with Russian rockets, if they vote Trump, the USA will slowly crumble in decay.

 

[NormaRegula]

So, as has been said so often, the choice is between a rock and a hard place, or an irresistible force and an immovable object.

In the final analysis, as I said, I'd vote for Trump simply because he is still somewhat of an unknown. My speculations that he is a Hitler in the making are just that: speculations. But if he has anything human in him, it won't ever be allowed to manifest thanks to the control of the "secret gov" and he will be obliged to utilize his devoted followers in the service of that agenda. However, there could still be some interesting demonstrations of individuality there. One thing that could be the outcome would be a far more rapid decline and destruction of the US as a consequence of the extreme polarization that he would spearhead. In short, he might bring all the suffering to a sooner end! That may not be a bad thing.

Hillary, on the other hand, would probably continue the same agenda without any of the masses EVER acquiring hope, however misguided it is, as is evidenced by Trump's followers. It would amount to death by a thousand cuts; death, nevertheless, drawn out and horrific. And if she thinks she's gonna inflict it on everywhere else and the USA will be exempt, she's definitely got another think coming. The peoples of the rest of the world have pretty much had a bellyful of the USA, only the USA doesn't get that yet.

So, Trump might destroy the USA from within, while Hillary will destroy the USA by making it a target of the rest of the world. I think the Trump option is probably better (yeah, what can be "better" about that??!) because at least it will leave other areas of the planet alone.

Anyway, just my recent ponderings on the topic.

Your ponderings have made me rethink my Trump and Hillary are equal horrors with different styles train of thought. I dunno. Doesn't make me want to run out and vote for Trump...should my kid be held captive to do so...but it does make me think on whether longer or shorter suffering might occur depending on who is elected.

My goodness. What a mess.

 

[Laura]

Anyway, just my recent ponderings on the topic.

Your ponderings have made me rethink my Trump and Hillary are equal horrors with different styles train of thought. I dunno. Doesn't make me want to run out and vote for Trump...should my kid be held captive to do so...but it does make me think on whether longer or shorter suffering might occur depending on who is elected.

My goodness. What a mess.

I've used several benchmarks in my comparisons. One thing that stands out for me is Hillary doing that "we came, we saw, he died... giggle giggle" routine which absolutely made my blood run cold. I really SAW her at that moment. If someone like that could become president, the influence of the LIE on this planet would reach the tipping point - of that I'm sure.

Trump - like any narcissist - bleats out a lot of nonsense and says things that are ill-considered. But how many of us do that? About everybody. He's accused of shady business, of not paying his bills, of filing bankruptcy. And lately, there are accusations of rape. All of that is unsavory but can't even come close to Hillary laughing over the gang murder/lynching of a head of state that led directly to the awful conditions of an entire country, the creation of ISIS, loads of terrorism, and more.

So, Trump is still partly unknown, but Hillary is FULLY KNOWN and so evil that I feel like I need a shower just typing her name.

 

[NormaRegula]

Anyway, just my recent ponderings on the topic.

Your ponderings have made me rethink my Trump and Hillary are equal horrors with different styles train of thought. I dunno. Doesn't make me want to run out and vote for Trump...should my kid be held captive to do so...but it does make me think on whether longer or shorter suffering might occur depending on who is elected.

My goodness. What a mess.

I've used several benchmarks in my comparisons. One thing that stands out for me is Hillary doing that "we came, we saw, he died... giggle giggle" routine which absolutely made my blood run cold. I really SAW her at that moment. If someone like that could become president, the influence of the LIE on this planet would reach the tipping point - of that I'm sure.

Trump - like any narcissist - bleats out a lot of nonsense and says things that are ill-considered. But how many of us do that? About everybody. He's accused of shady business, of not paying his bills, of filing bankruptcy. And lately, there are accusations of rape. All of that is unsavory but can't even come close to Hillary laughing over the gang murder/lynching of a head of state that led directly to the awful conditions of an entire country, the creation of ISIS, loads of terrorism, and more.

So, Trump is still partly unknown, but Hillary is FULLY KNOWN and so evil that I feel like I need a shower just typing her name.

I hear you now when it comes to Hillary. She is the more known evil of the two.

When you asked the question earlier if Trump had a kill list like the Clintons, I typed in Trump Kill List...and got loads of Trump Political Kill List links, but nothing remotely linking him to a series of murders or highly questionable deaths.

Type in Clinton Kill List and you've headed into a deep, dark rabbit hole. I remember doing this years ago and being so shocked and horrified as the Clinton-connected deaths really did benefit them in their rise to power. And, yeah, the way Hillary gloated about death and destruction during her Secretary of State days...damn! Absolute evil.

 

[bjorb]

If Trump is the big unknown, I hope he is capable of rebelling. Because for him to ever make nice with Russia means that he has to get rid of the secret government.

That’s a big if ..

But you know what you can expect with Hillary and possibly worse. I suppose that was the point?

Still a lousy choose to gamble on an over the top crazy narcissist. But that's all what US elections are about.

 

[Laura]

But you know what you can expect with Hillary and possibly worse. I suppose that was the point?

Exactly. And you vote for her, you align with her and her lies and evil.

A vote for Trump is also ill-advised. In the end, best to NOT vote or vote for the candidate you'd really like to see in office. Do they still have write-in candidates? How about writing in someone?

 

[Joe]

Here's a good example of something that I think endears Trump to some people. He's not "politically correct". I can't imagine any other Presidential nominee saying this in public. Some people who don't like his persona, might be swayed towards him because he's a 'straight talker', he speaks and acts like an 'ordinary person', or says things that others are thinking and feeling but themselves would not necessarily say due to "political correctness". That seems to be his selling point. He's "unpredictable" because he doesn't talk and act like a President.

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[Windmill knight]

If Trump is the big unknown, I hope he is capable of rebelling. Because for him to ever make nice with Russia means that he has to get rid of the secret government.

That’s a big if ..

Well, if he rebels, he would be working for no one else but himself. Not for the people, not for patriotic values, not even for what he said when he was in campaign. So I'm not sure that would be any better for us. But that's just speculation, because he will not rebel. As the Cs once said of Tony Blair, "their type is the most easily corruptible". So, like Laura pointed out here:

So, a lot of people followed Hitler, the people's messiah. That following, itself, is what infused Hitler with his ideas of world dominance, stealing other people's land and stuff. The same will probably act on Trump in a similar way. What he is now, is not necessarily what he will remain. And that is especially true when he has the first "briefing" with the CIA/NSA/other alphabet agencies who read him the riot act and tell him what he can and cannot do.

For me, that's the bottom line. Yes, one is a narcissist and the other a psychopath, and that may result in different flavours of evil. But ultimately, the president of the US of A is not in charge! Those who tried to be were sidelined before they could get to the top, or killed! Every other time for several decades now, the president has just been the public face of a system that already has a pre-established agenda as set by the agencies, plus lobby groups, corporations, the financial sector and the Military Industrial Complex in general. Just look at Obama: he was saying great things before being elected. And when he was in office, he proceeded to behave exactly like his predecessor!

For that reason, and for the fact that it would be wrong to give my vote to someone I know without a doubt is evil, I wouldn't vote if I were an American citizen. Unless, perhaps, there were an independent candidate option or something like that.

 

[Niall]

Trump's now saying he expects them to rig the election result in favor of Killary:

https://www.rt.com/usa/354235-trump-clinton-rigged-election/

This is another VERY un-PC thing to say.

Even IF you lose in politics, you're not supposed to give the game away!

Just look at Bernie, who we now know for a fact had Democratic party results rigged against him. He understood, for whatever reasons, that he could only go along with it.

 

[Keit]

Here's a good example of something that I think endears Trump to some people. He's not "politically correct". I can't imagine any other Presidential nominee saying this in public.

This "not being politically correct" kind of explains why Russians prefer him over Killary. Because Russians are familiar with this kind of behavior, since they have Zhirinovsky. Of course Zhirinovsky will never become or be allowed to become a president, but his long diatribes are tolerated by Putin and others because he is considered to be a clown, and that's why he can say (often true) things that others wouldn't. But then, it is clear that Zhirinovsky is at least a schizoid, if not with a bunch of other pathologies.

Bottom line is, it's much easier for Russians to handle narcissists like Trump, than overt snakes like Killary. Like, for example, Putin knows how to handle Berlusconi and make him feel like a king, or as if they are best buddies.

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[Mr. Premise]

But you know what you can expect with Hillary and possibly worse. I suppose that was the point?

Exactly. And you vote for her, you align with her and her lies and evil.

A vote for Trump is also ill-advised. In the end, best to NOT vote or vote for the candidate you'd really like to see in office. Do they still have write-in candidates? How about writing in someone?

Luckily my kids haven't been kidnapped so I don't have to make that choice. You can still write in candidates, I'm pretty sure, but I'm just going to vote for Jill Stein. She supports dismantling the empire and even questions vaccines (she got lots of flack for that in the left gatekeeper media - and she's a physician).

 

[whitecoast]

I've been thinking a Trump presidency is preferable to a Hillary one for awhile, solely on Trump's waffling over commitments to defending the hystericized eastern reaches of NATO from "Russian aggression."

Bottom line is, it's much easier for Russians to handle narcissists like Trump, than overt snakes like Killary. Like, for example, Putin knows how to handle Berlusconi and make him feel like a king, or as if they are best buddies.

That makes sense. I'm sure Putin is quite used to dealing with histrionic, upwardly-adjusted narcissists. You call Killary a snake. If I had to assign an animal to Trump it would be a turkey, on account of it being kind of an ugly bird that pretends in all defiance of reality to be a peacock that compulsively swaggers.

 

[Andrian]

If Trump is the big unknown, I hope he is capable of rebelling. Because for him to ever make nice with Russia means that he has to get rid of the secret government.

About Trump (if he gets elected) getting along or improving the relations with Russia and as a consequence changing something for the better for the planet not intentionally of course, i admit it crossed my mind such a thought, even if i knew that i'm totally naive, NormaRegula was right when writing:

I tend to agree with you NormaRegula, the USA political apparatus is rotten to the core, i think there is no hope for change for the better anymore, not even a little one. The saying, Choosing the lesser of the two evils it doesn't apply to the current US elections i'm afraid, both candidates are pretty disturbing to say the least.

But, still, i don't want to contradict myself here, but i will like just to add that the current geopolitical situation is pretty interesting and dynamic, there are a lot of forces involved and at work in this geopolitical chess game (see how ended the coup in Turkey, the Brexit referendum in the UK...) that could bring unexpected changes on the global geopolitical chessboard, what i'm trying to say is, if Trump wins the elections at least he may be open to talks with Russia and all that it may lead to. You know the saying, Don't throw the baby with the bathtub... Though i acknowledge that i'm too optimistic here and it may not imply in this case, but still...

Yeah, I think you're being too optimistic here, Andre. :)

Just remind yourself that most Trump supporters interpret what he says and does by way of wishful thinking. They tend to pick and choose choice bits to cling to, ignoring the warning signs that the guy is a narcissistic jerk among his other more dangerous attributes. The same can be said about Hillary and her supporters.

Interestingly enough, you and Wu Wei Wu are not the first persons I've encountered recently who have attempted to convince themselves via hopeful narratives that Trump might turn into an anti-hero on some level - or at least not be beholden to the PTB - because Hillary is a known political evil. Wu Wei Wu's term "She-Devil" is just one of many names I've called her in the past.

There's very little one can do regarding the USA election's outcome at this point save to watch and wait. We were warned that the world - and especially the USA - would become a terrrible place for a time in the future. It's going to be an interesting ride.

Now that i'm thinking more deeply all i can say is that i totally agree with Laura when she said that it doesn't matter who wins the elections Donald or Killary, the outcome will be catastrophic in both cases.

 

[Ca.]

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Ross Perot on Iraq in 92' Presidential Debate
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Ross Perot in the 92' Presidential Debate accusing Bush for allowing Saddam Hussein to attack and take the Northern part of Kuwait, where the oil fields are.

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