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Q: Hi Laura. First of all thank you very much for your nice conversation with us and can you explain to us what does it mean; what of the changing of the diet, what do you recommend for that and about the ,,,need? meat?,,, for the vegetarian, because here I think there are lot of people there are vegetarian. Can you just explain what does it mean, exactly that?
L: How about this: why don't I just suggest some books for people to read and then they decide for themselves, because I'd rather that people would read the research, than from…? I know what the Cassiopaeans have said about this and we got some recent sessions from last year on the topic because since I started experimenting with the diet, let me tell you back in 2004… How many people do we have here who were at our workshops in 2004? Ok, you were here. We got 1, 2, 3, 4... Ok, I would like for each of you to stand up and describe the difference between me then and me now, for the rest of the people.
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WP1 (workshop participant) : I suppose you mean physically, yeah?.
L: Yeah.
WP1: Well the first time I met you, you looked like 15 years older than you look to me now. So for me it's seems like a really impressive change.
L: Ok that's good enough. What about over here? I'd rather not say it myself, let somebody else say it.
WP2: I met Laura in 2004 and basically as he said she looked 15 years older than she does now and when I see her now I feel like it's like reversed aging. She's gone through the process where she looks much younger and healthier than she did before.
WP3: I as well would say, yeah definitely that ,,,we're?,,, looking at an age reverse, but also I noticed: you know in 2004 the way she walked and carried herself; it was more like lack of energy but I can see more of a -how do you say- a strength, a glow? Also, I didn't want to be insulting or anything but size wise she was also…
L: I've lost weight.
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WP3: Definitely the age reverse and you can see she is healthier, there is more colour in her skin.
L: Ok that's enough. Three out of four is not bad. But the point is… OK, that was in 2004 and I was deteriorating at that point. Like I said I was with rheumatoid arthritis for all my life and things were getting worse and worse and I was trying to do everything I could possibly think of to try to ameliorate the condition.
And then in 2005 we went to Trieste in Croatia (Italy) to a conference and the first night there at the hotel in there Trieste I turned over in bed. I swear to God, all I did was turn over! I didn't do anything weird, I didn't jump, jerk or pop anything and I herniated a disc in my neck and… I don't know if any of you have had a herniated disc but let me tell you what: that will turn you into a screaming animal, backed into a corner you know like its: "Grrrr… grrr… don't come near me!" because that's how bad it hurt. And hotel doctors, neck braces ,,,something,,, trip, you know, lots of drugs, got home - nothing touched it, nothing made it better. It was just really horrible and finally I just broke down because I was trying to go with just pain medication and then finally I broke down and the doctor put me on some major high doses of Cortisone. And the next day after I took this I was cleaning the garage, dancing around and I felt great. I thought "Holy…! You know I feel like a 20 year old on this medication", and I thought about it and said, you know, Cortisone is the most powerful anti-inflammatory they make, especially giving it to me in the doses they gave it to me, it was probably the most they can give anybody. Not only was it my neck, it was my low back, it was my knees, it was my elbows, it was my fingers, it was my head... I mean I could even think better! And I said to myself: obviously anything that is wrong with me is inflammation, because an anti-inflammatory fixed it. Problem is: what was causing the inflammation? That's what started me researching.
And I continued to research and I was making these little changes here little changes there. Joe can tell you, he got driven crazy, asking one day: "What diet are we on this week?" (Laughter) So I was trying different things and it still wasn't getting me where I needed to go even though I was getting somewhat better. Because at this point my shoulder just completely went, I had so much pain in my shoulder. If I were sitting like this I wouldn't be able to reach out and pick up this glass. I couldn't do it, it was like "arrrr…(straining)". I was really a cripple. So its hard for people who can see me walking around, moving around, to understand that I had trouble dressing myself. All I could do was sit in front of my computer and write.
So I ended up having surgery because I was in so much pain that I had no choice. Because at this point they were giving me Cortisone injections directly in to the joints a couple of times and it was a really long needle. I went in and had micro-surgery done and I came out of the hospital, I felt fine, my shoulder didn't hurt any more. OK, great. But the unfortunate thing was that then the brain fog set in. And I really got to the point where I couldn't even speak a coherent sentence. And I thought: this is really terrible! I depend... what I am, what I do is figure things out, I think about things and if I can't construct a coherent sentence I'm in really deep doo-doo. Throw me out the window, get rid of me. So it scared the pure living bejeebees out of me. So I started researching, and I found out that a lot of the drugs they put into me while at the hospital having surgery, plus a lot of the stuff that I'd been eating throughout my life, plus all a lot of the other surgeries I had -because this was my sixth major surgery- were toxic waste in my body. And I thought at first, "Oh my God, there's not anything to do about it. I toxified myself. I might as well just die."
And then I found out that you can reverse toxicity but that it's a process. So I started reading books on it, I got an infra-red sauna blanket. I started changing my diet, I was making adjustments this way and that way. All these different things, this went on for a period of a couple, oh, 3 years and I was getting much better. I'll tell you right now that cutting out all simple carbs and all gluten containing products probably had one of the most profound effects on my body than anything else. At that point I couldn't sit at my desk five minutes before my legs swelled so bad that they were like little shiny sausages and I had to go lay down and put my feet up again. So, I read about the evils of dairy and gluten and sugars. So I cut those three things out and I used the infra-red sauna blanket for one week and at the end of the one week all of the swelling in my legs was gone and have never come back… never! You know you go to the supermarket and you see the old ladies with their ankles that swell and fall over their shoes, and think: "Oh God, I don't want that to happen, that's awful!". But that's where I was.
So I did that, and continued going on and then last year we'd been playing about with a modified Paleo Diet, we were eating like meats and plenty of vegetables, everything except… nothing with gluten, nothing with sugar, no dairy. But it was still a pretty varied diet. And then last Christmas, and my son… you know everybody in the house we were experimenting on ourselves and he was eating this and I kept pushing those vegetables: "Eat more vegetables, eat more vegetables" and he kept having problems, he had this irritable bowel syndrome and it just kept getting worse and worse and I kept thinking, eat more vegetables, eat more vegetables and pushing it and pushing it. Then finally the day after Christmas he ends up in the hospital, he had such an infection in his insides, he's 25 years old and they want to take his colon out. And we went into talk with the gastroenterologist and we said: "He has to have a colonoscopy, we don't want you to take his colon out, put him on antibiotics go in and see what you can do, we have to make some decisions here". OK, it's three days before you can get a colonoscopy because you have to get your colon cleaned out. How do you get a colon cleaned out? We have to eat a special diet. What diet do you eat to clean your colon? And you know what he said?
Eh? What do you think to you need to clean your colon?
(Various responses from the audience)
Meat! No vegetables. If you have a colonoscopy you can not have a single vegetable in three days before you have it done. This gastroenterologist sat there and told me that! And I said: "You mean to tell me that all of this stuff that people say about eating fiber for keeping your colon clean, is bull?". "Oh, but you still need to eat vegetables!". "But you're telling me that you don't eat vegetables to do a colonoscopy because it cleans your colon and stops the irritation, that's what your telling me". A gastroenterologist in a hospital, trained by a medical school, he's telling me this and he says "Yeah" and I couldn't understand the disconnect! This man is telling me what he knows from his medical training, he doesn't want to go into a colon that's all inflamed and dirty. No gastroenterologist wants to do that, you know, they want clean. And they know how to clean it and they know what stops irritating it. They know it because they are trained and then they turn around and say: "Oh but you got to eat your vegetables!". So 14 days or maybe 16, almost three weeks of two-three times (a day) the most powerful anti-biotic known to man, through his veins, cause he couldn't take anything through his stomach. Saved his colon, he came home and he started eating meat. We're watching this. Were all round the house, and were still in this "totally healthy, fresh meat, must eat your vegetables". We're watching this kid, and he started out on veal just a little and he could only eat a tiny little bit, remember he hadn't had anything in his stomach for 16 days. A little bit of veal. You know what do you usually eat when you haven't eaten in days? They tell you to have gruel, or you have rice cereal but if we gave him that he started bleeding again. This was like the 'canary in the mine'. So we watched him and he just got better and better and better and we started doing some research and that's where we got on to this whole Paleo Diet thing, and we started reading all these books and we started to realize this information is there all the time; it's just that we weren't looking for it, because we weren't ready to receive it. We were still "Got to be holy by eating vegetables" kind of thing.
By the time we all became convinced by my son's example… because he literally can't eat anything else, he literally can't. We have a little leeway, he has none, he cannot. So we started around April, right around first of April we all took on to this Paleo Diet and I mean we literally eat almost nothing but meat, we eat no grains, we eat almost no vegetables, we may have vegetables three or four times a week, maybe we have a little salad or something but we don't eat any broccoli, no cruciferous, no cabbage. And I'll tell you something that'll freak you out: but when you eat nothing but meat you have almost no stool, and it doesn't stink. And you no longer have any gas whatsoever. You have no bloating and you eat less.
You want to read the books, there is a book called 'Primal Body, Primal Mind'. She also talks in that book about rejuvenation research; that apparently a very high fat, moderate protein diet can cause the telomeres on your DNA to repair and can reverse the aging process. People have been known to start having a white beard turn back to it's normal colour again after going on these particular kinds of diets. That's all I can tell you. We don't eat to be pure and holy... just so you know that, we eat to optimize our health. Because how can you do anything for humanity, how can you do anything for yourself if you're not healthy and you don't feel well? Next.
A: I want to add something.
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L: He's gotta have to have the last word.
A: I get some discussion with vegetarians or vegans or whatever and I notice that people that are vegetarians consider themselves as very peaceful people. You know like in India, it's a peaceful country, everything you achieve by essentially non-aggressive methods, so vegetarians consider themselves as being less aggressive than meat eaters. However, what I observe is that the vegetarian is not that peaceful if you start to question his vegetarian thesis.
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L: I'll tell you that the articles we've published on our SOTT website about Paleo Diet and basically against the vegetarian way of life… I have never in my life encountered such a provocation of violent invective as those articles… I mean every vegetarian on the entire Internet zeroed in on that and in their posting their nasty… oh, it was just unbelievable! It was worse than smoking! It was worse than any pro-smoking article that you can get! Every anti-smoking weirdo on the Net comes along and flames us. But I'm sorry, I'm not into the publishing thing because it's popular, I'm in the business because the research supports it. Next.
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Thanks also to Laura, Ark and the team for the great work you do. It is much appreciated!! 
