Libel and Defamation Against SOTT, Cass, LKJ, QFG, etc

Seamas said:
Part of what I was trying to get at is that it is still a reaction to what our adversaries are saying about us. What we are doing now is damage control, because in this discussion they are starting out with the upper hand, because they initially framed the debate.

This seems to be what pathological types do best, and I think the essence of the problem is the nature of lies. Since it's extremely difficult (if not impossible on most occasions) to counter a lie before it is made, you're left holding the bag in the eyes of most people. Without general awareness of manipulation and knowledge of pathological types, it's a mighty effort to sort things out. Since we do have lots and lots of material on lies and pathology (mainly because of the attacks!), we're in a better position than most. Maybe a carefully worded section about manipulation would be helpful on the blog? I think it is a pretty fascinating story just in itself about how the research into pathology came from Bridges attacks, and after applying that info to the world scene resulted in contact from Lobaczewski about publishing Ponerology.

How can we impose our will on our enemy, rather than reacting to their attacks?

Ermm..why do you think we should impose our will on 'the enemy'. That's seems to be taking a play from the pathological playbook.

I think your general focus is good to consider, but we don't want to loose track of what we're doing.
 
Since the situation is what it is, since psychopaths are what they are, we have taken the approach to use the lemons and make lemonade. We will attract the "cassiopaea cult" readers away and give the lie the truth. We will archive and expose all of them and, in some cases, once the archiving is complete, take legal action.

I suspect that, at the very least, when ordinary people can see all of the defamation all together in one place, they will be compelled to ask: "geeze, what's this all about? How can so many people be so crazed about this one woman who isn't saying anything really outrageous... no more so than the fundies at the very least?"
 
Shane said:
Seamas said:
Part of what I was trying to get at is that it is still a reaction to what our adversaries are saying about us. What we are doing now is damage control, because in this discussion they are starting out with the upper hand, because they initially framed the debate.

This seems to be what pathological types do best, and I think the essence of the problem is the nature of lies. Since it's extremely difficult (if not impossible on most occasions) to counter a lie before it is made, you're left holding the bag in the eyes of most people. Without general awareness of manipulation and knowledge of pathological types, it's a mighty effort to sort things out. Since we do have lots and lots of material on lies and pathology (mainly because of the attacks!), we're in a better position than most. Maybe a carefully worded section about manipulation would be helpful on the blog? I think it is a pretty fascinating story just in itself about how the research into pathology came from Bridges attacks, and after applying that info to the world scene resulted in contact from Lobaczewski about publishing Ponerology.

How can we impose our will on our enemy, rather than reacting to their attacks?

Ermm..why do you think we should impose our will on 'the enemy'. That's seems to be taking a play from the pathological playbook.

I think your general focus is good to consider, but we don't want to loose track of what we're doing.

Sorry if I came across a little strong there. :evil: I included the quote from the Art of War because I was thinking that it is a well respected book of strategy that is widely applicable to conflicts of all kind and that it would back up the point I was trying to make. I interpret that passage as saying that you should make your adversary play your game, rather than playing their game. I was echoing the language used in the passage to tie it into what I was saying.

That said, I don't know myself very well and the ways that my thinking is ponerized, so I maybe trying to use the Art of War as a source for strategy is not a good idea. By using it I could be forcing myself to think about the conflict in pathological terms. Framing my thinking in violent and pathological terms.

Laura said:
Since the situation is what it is, since psychopaths are what they are, we have taken the approach to use the lemons and make lemonade. We will attract the "cassiopaea cult" readers away and give the lie the truth. We will archive and expose all of them and, in some cases, once the archiving is complete, take legal action.

I suspect that, at the very least, when ordinary people can see all of the defamation all together in one place, they will be compelled to ask: "geeze, what's this all about? How can so many people be so crazed about this one woman who isn't saying anything really outrageous... no more so than the fundies at the very least?"

This sounds like playing our game (the truth) instead of theirs (lies).
 
More:

_http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message115499/pg296

10 reviews again, in groupthink.
The ratio rose to 22%.

[…]

Promotion of the "we/they" syndrome, which also keeps members dependent and loyal to the cult.

It's curious, why require members to exhibit their loyalty to the group...
Why this huge mistake?
- Is it because the dynamics of the group exceed them ...
- or handling required for another final goal.
 
That said, I don't know myself very well and the ways that my thinking is ponerized, so I maybe trying to use the Art of War as a source for strategy is not a good idea. By using it I could be forcing myself to think about the conflict in pathological terms. Framing my thinking in violent and pathological terms.

That's understandable since pretty much all of us have been Ponerized in some way. Since our aim is to head towards STO we are essentially prohibited from using the tactics of STS. We can not manipulate or coerce people but simply counter lies with truth. Those who care about the truth will recognize it when they see it, and those who do not will think whatever they want to regardless of what we have to say. Their choice.

Laura said:
Since the situation is what it is, since psychopaths are what they are, we have taken the approach to use the lemons and make lemonade. We will attract the "cassiopaea cult" readers away and give the lie the truth. We will archive and expose all of them and, in some cases, once the archiving is complete, take legal action.

I suspect that, at the very least, when ordinary people can see all of the defamation all together in one place, they will be compelled to ask: "geeze, what's this all about? How can so many people be so crazed about this one woman who isn't saying anything really outrageous... no more so than the fundies at the very least?"

This sounds like playing our game (the truth) instead of theirs (lies).
Yes!
 
Herr Eisenheim said:
windmill knight said:
On a cheerful note, the testimonial website is now ranked 5th on Google when searching for 'Cassiopaea cult'. It was on page 2 just a couple of days ago!! Good job everyone!
Unfortunately if you search for "cassiopeia cult" (which is how many people will search especially those not familiar with proper spelling) the site doesn't come up on any of the first pages. Nevertheless Winnie the pooh's site still comes first although its spelled with aea
Is there any way to go around this?

Here's some good news. As of today, the anti-defamation website comes up in places 4 to 7 when googling "cassiopeia cult". Number 3 is cassiopaea.org. Evil sites are still in the first two places, but it's still good news since the testimonials are jumping forward quite fast. If you glance at the first page of results you can't miss them! :cool:
 
Windmill knight said:
Herr Eisenheim said:
windmill knight said:
On a cheerful note, the testimonial website is now ranked 5th on Google when searching for 'Cassiopaea cult'. It was on page 2 just a couple of days ago!! Good job everyone!
Unfortunately if you search for "cassiopeia cult" (which is how many people will search especially those not familiar with proper spelling) the site doesn't come up on any of the first pages. Nevertheless Winnie the pooh's site still comes first although its spelled with aea
Is there any way to go around this?

Here's some good news. As of today, the anti-defamation website comes up in places 4 to 7 when googling "cassiopeia cult". Number 3 is cassiopaea.org. Evil sites are still in the first two places, but it's still good news since the testimonials are jumping forward quite fast. If you glance at the first page of results you can't miss them! :cool:

YaAaay!!!! That's good news before bed!!! :cool2: :cool: :D
 
Windmill knight said:
Herr Eisenheim said:
windmill knight said:
On a cheerful note, the testimonial website is now ranked 5th on Google when searching for 'Cassiopaea cult'. It was on page 2 just a couple of days ago!! Good job everyone!
Unfortunately if you search for "cassiopeia cult" (which is how many people will search especially those not familiar with proper spelling) the site doesn't come up on any of the first pages. Nevertheless Winnie the pooh's site still comes first although its spelled with aea
Is there any way to go around this?

Here's some good news. As of today, the anti-defamation website comes up in places 4 to 7 when googling "cassiopeia cult". Number 3 is cassiopaea.org. Evil sites are still in the first two places, but it's still good news since the testimonials are jumping forward quite fast. If you glance at the first page of results you can't miss them! :cool:

Thats great news! :thup:
 
truth seeker said:
This site's been mentioned a few times on this forum. Here's a recent post:

_http://2012conference.org/?m=201102

And here it is showcased on our site with all the people he "interviewed" on the site as keywords. So, if they ever search for their own names, the kind of crap Jay is doing will pop up there on google!:

http://cassiopaea-cult.com/jay-weidner-aka-phils-blog-aka-2012conference-org
 
I just wanted to point out a link that is not working:

On the page http://cassiopaea-cult.com/vincent-bridges-and-jay-weidner-majickal-mystery-tour-scam

The link behind the text "control of the minds of the masses" leads to a restricted page asking for authentication. The link address is http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/timeline.htm
 
Actually, I am getting that error for every link on that page that refers to cassiopaea.com. Maybe portions of the site are down for maintenance?
 
I decided to take a look at the blogs listed here since they are seeding. All with the exception of the twilight of the species and the smoke and mirrors radio blogs have the same info I linked to in the previous post.

Jason (ocean59) said:
I just wanted to point out a link that is not working:

On the page http://cassiopaea-cult.com/vincent-bridges-and-jay-weidner-majickal-mystery-tour-scam

The link behind the text "control of the minds of the masses" leads to a restricted page asking for authentication. The link address is http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/timeline.htm
Thanks Jason, the link is out for me too.

edit: clarity
 
Uhm what I get is a 'Authorization Failed: Access is denied!' too.
It seems to be a restricted area
 

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