"Life Without Bread"
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Most of the broth I have made has been with beef bones with quite a bit of meat attached. I just give them a cold water rinse and put them in the crockpot, as many as I can fit in comfortably, fill it to within an inch of the top with cold water, add a splash of apple cider vinegar and set it to low for 24 hours. For serving I usually add a few condiments and mixed herbs along with a few grains of stock cube to make it a bit more palatable.
Last weekend I did 4 lamb shanks (the same method as above) which is a meal rather than a broth, the meat was so tender and falling off the bone and the liquid was basically the same as the bone broth....delicious. I managed quite a few meals out of that cook-up.
By the way my crockpot is only a 3 litre. Not sure how the larger ones would work out, maybe slightly more cooking time.
Last weekend I did 4 lamb shanks (the same method as above) which is a meal rather than a broth, the meat was so tender and falling off the bone and the liquid was basically the same as the bone broth....delicious. I managed quite a few meals out of that cook-up.
By the way my crockpot is only a 3 litre. Not sure how the larger ones would work out, maybe slightly more cooking time.
mcb
The Living Force
Lindenlea said:
Yes indeed. :)
This is the traditional idea of cooking "meat on the bone" that Dr. Cate presents in her book Deep Nutrition. You end up with meat cooked "just right" (without browning -- which has its own issues) and swimming in stock and fat that are delicious with the meat or by themselves.
I have been cooking my meat that way, and then using the leftover bones to make additional broth. The bones are usually good for at least one or two more batches. Lamb bones, especially, can produce quite a lot of gelatin when reused.
H-KQGE
Dagobah Resident
In response to lindenlea & megan i started my transition using pork shoulder & stewing beef. The p-shoulder on-the-bone taking approx 4hrs. (Following my butchers advice)
Although time consuming, it was well worth it as the fat rendered well into the water (just the right amount of water helped for the best ratio) & smelled & looked good too. When the meat began falling off i was really pleased as i was worried about mistakes & the cash needed to rectify them, risking going back to eating rice or some other junk.
Serving & eating it was 1 of my BEST experiences (2nd to beef which was like i had never eaten meat before!) as it was easy to prepare & the knowledge of WHY i was doing it enhanced the whole experience. The bonus being that eating wasn't in mind for 10-11 hours was truly a special revelation!
Also Megan's post about "oregano in a jar", i had forgotten about searching for real herbs since my early paleo transition but since her post, i kept an eye out at my greengrocer's, & they have most of the herbs i'm using & they're not pricey as i had assumed. Gonna grab 'em when i get paid.
Although time consuming, it was well worth it as the fat rendered well into the water (just the right amount of water helped for the best ratio) & smelled & looked good too. When the meat began falling off i was really pleased as i was worried about mistakes & the cash needed to rectify them, risking going back to eating rice or some other junk.
Serving & eating it was 1 of my BEST experiences (2nd to beef which was like i had never eaten meat before!) as it was easy to prepare & the knowledge of WHY i was doing it enhanced the whole experience. The bonus being that eating wasn't in mind for 10-11 hours was truly a special revelation!
Also Megan's post about "oregano in a jar", i had forgotten about searching for real herbs since my early paleo transition but since her post, i kept an eye out at my greengrocer's, & they have most of the herbs i'm using & they're not pricey as i had assumed. Gonna grab 'em when i get paid.
I find myself having cravings for carbs, like ice cream. It is not easy to resist.
Adding garlic and large helping of bacon grease really worked in turning the terrible taste of beef bone broth into something I can drink often. Thanks for nudging me towards herbs.
Adding garlic and large helping of bacon grease really worked in turning the terrible taste of beef bone broth into something I can drink often. Thanks for nudging me towards herbs.
hlat said:
Hlat, we've all gone through that same process and it is indeed not an easy task. It's important to go through the transition gradually and not try to cut everything at once as your digestive system may struggle to cope with the changes. I understand that it's hard to resist all those sweet carbs and dairy but it's really worth putting some willpower and constant knowledge feed to help with the transition. It took me a good 6-8 months for me to go fully ketogenic (I pretty much only eat pork, bacon and broth now) but it was well worth the effort. Let us know how you progress, networking helps a lot.
hlat said:
You don't have to suffer cravings, if you can make your own paleo treats once in a while. It is easy to make healthier ice cream.
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Alana said:
But it is better to NOT introduce the occasional treats until after a period of reorganizing the system and getting fully over the cravings which do stop!
I used to deal with it be eating a thin slice of ham smeared with butter and rolled up like a little sausage. A good salami done the same way (as long as it is natural and not loaded with sugar) is also nice. Or a thin slice of roast beef.
Nancy2feathers
The Living Force
Laura said:
When I first started out on the KD, I did the same as Laura suggested(and still do). I would also, when having a craving, eat a couple spoon fulls of organic coconut oil. The fat seems to satisfy my craving for goodies. :)
JGeropoulas
The Living Force
Alana said:
A little xanthan or guar gum and/or about a tablespoon of coconut oil make it creamy and scoop-able right out of the freezer
Brenda86
Jedi Master
Laura said:
I have to agree about the treats because I am sure that's part of the contributing factor into why I actually fell of the diet for several weeks (paleo ice cream is delicious, but so soon in it just made me want the real thing), probably around 8 weeks, much to my detriment. I ate really really bad and my body totally rebelled against me. I fat so bad physically with excessive gas, bloating, constipation, headaches, fatigue and a much reduced ability to think properly when after 3 weeks on the diet I had been feeling so good and full of energy.
I am back on now but I am only 4 days in, so I am not feeling great again yet. I slipped into bad habits when we found out my mom was losing her house, which is a whole different story, but we had a lot of stressful life events all at once, both good and bad, and I just had not prepared enough to keep up my diet changes. Well, I completely regret it. But my mom and fiance are actually both trying to really help me stay on this time even though they are not really doing the diet (Well, my mom is actually trying to cut out little things at a time. She was a daily candy eater and has not had any candy in a few days at least) While I've been watching my children my mom actually boiled some eggs because she knew I could have those as a snack if a craving hit and we've made some big meals with meat leftovers so I can just grab a bit if a craving hits. And my fiance has been trying to avoid eating the things I crave in front of me. He's almost ready to give it a try himself, but he doesn't seem quite ready yet so I'm not pushing real hard as I do not want to cause a push back.
I have been observing my feelings, physical and emotional, and my reactions during this transition and I truly feel like an addict. Having watched my mom for years on drugs before she finally got sober it is something I am quite familiar with.
I have found myself rationalizing each day that one more bad meal, ready to start fresh the next day only to rationalize one more bad meal - and regretting each time failing. I'd get so frustrated observing and watching myself do this. How could I want so strongly to change and keep failing? Well, I realized that also during that time with the moving houses and other stress that I had not only stopped checking in here, but also stopped reading/inputting knowledge regularly making it even easier for that "I"that wants crap food to win.
The physical and mental symptoms are just so strikingly similar to drug addiction, though, that it's no wonder it's so hard for many people to let go of their bread, potatoes and deserts. I've had headaches, hot flashes, shakes, and cravings. All things my mom went through when she came off of drugs. Actually, since she had to move in with us and is seeing it, I think that is part of what has inspired her to help and try to change little by little. We've discussed how addictive grains and sugar can be and she sees me actually having real withdrawal symptoms. It's giving her some food for thought as she has said.
Today I feel a little better so we'll see how it goes. With support, preparation, knowledge input and things calmed down in my life again, I feel like I stand a better chance of sticking with this this time.
mcb
The Living Force
I think it is important to try to maintain the big picture when addressing specific concerns. So far as I know, sugar and snacks do not "cause" cravings; they exacerbate existing metabolic conditions. To understand the causes we need to look back over the events of the last hundred years or so as they have altered the food supply, a good many centuries back for our changing relationship with nature, and the last 10,000 years or so of increasing consumption of grains.
The problem now for most of us here is to find a way to become or remain healthy, living in a highly unnatural environment and with limited access to foods of the kinds that humans evolved to eat. I suspect that much of the problem may eventually be traced to our changing relationship with microbes.
We need to be in a healthy relationship with symbiotic microbes: our bodies and immune systems can't do what they need to do working alone. This is particularly true of our skin, oral, and gut microbes, and especially the many strains bacteria that we have always lived with until overpopulation, deforestation, destruction of the soil, and other factors led to (among other things) people crowding into filthy cities. This in turn led to vaccines, antibiotics, excessive hygiene, and what seems now like a general all-out war on these microbes upon which we are so dependent.
The problem now for most of us here is to find a way to become or remain healthy, living in a highly unnatural environment and with limited access to foods of the kinds that humans evolved to eat. I suspect that much of the problem may eventually be traced to our changing relationship with microbes.
We need to be in a healthy relationship with symbiotic microbes: our bodies and immune systems can't do what they need to do working alone. This is particularly true of our skin, oral, and gut microbes, and especially the many strains bacteria that we have always lived with until overpopulation, deforestation, destruction of the soil, and other factors led to (among other things) people crowding into filthy cities. This in turn led to vaccines, antibiotics, excessive hygiene, and what seems now like a general all-out war on these microbes upon which we are so dependent.
The homemade coconut cream xylitol ice cream was fantastic! Took care of the craving other things, and it was great to know there were very little carbs. I actually liked it much more frozen after time in the freezer, than creamy right when it was finished. The frozen reminded me of chocolate malts at baseball games.
I do need to work on eliminating sugar from my bacon and pork breakfast sausages. I've already made progress on them by eliminating celery powder nitrates and GMO feed.
The garlic, salt, and chicken helped the beef bone broth for only a couple of servings, before I thought the taste went intolerable again. I guess what I will have to do is include a lot of meat and aim for a stew.
Am I missing nutrients if I do whole chicken broth instead of beef bone broth?
I do need to work on eliminating sugar from my bacon and pork breakfast sausages. I've already made progress on them by eliminating celery powder nitrates and GMO feed.
The garlic, salt, and chicken helped the beef bone broth for only a couple of servings, before I thought the taste went intolerable again. I guess what I will have to do is include a lot of meat and aim for a stew.
Am I missing nutrients if I do whole chicken broth instead of beef bone broth?
Horseofadifferentcolor
Jedi Council Member
hlat said:
Most of the nutrition from the broths is from the marrow in the bones. Chicken has less fat and not as much marrow as the larger pig or cow bones. FWIW, I can not stand beef broth. I don't enjoy the taste and can not seem to digest it well. Pork broth however seems to go down just fine and I love the way it tastes. If you can tolerate butter or ghee it makes a great addition for flavor, texture, and fat content. For me salt and garlic is all that is needed to make it yummy
