"Life Without Bread"

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Could it be that the problem with obesity is that some people are just weak-willed at some point in their lives and allow themselves to gain unconscionable amounts of weight? One way to interpret Hirsch and Liebel's studies on the near impossibility of permanent weight loss for the massively obese would be to propose that once you get fat, your body adjusts, which makes it hopeless to lose weight and keep it off. Maybe if you let yourself get fat, you seal your fate: being obese becomes normal for your body. The question was important because if getting fat was the problem, there might be a solution to the obesity epidemic—convince people that any weight gain was a step toward an irreversible condition that they most definitely did not want to have.

But it turned out that the answer to that question was not what many had hoped.

That uncomfortable discovery began with studies in Vermont around the same time as Hirsch was doing his studies in New York and that continued into the 1980s as a few scientists probed further. The studies were done in different ways by different researchers and in different populations, but they all found the same thing. Yet perhaps because their results cast into question everything that is commonly believed about gaining weight, they have become known mainly to research scientists and ignored by the general public.

The first experiments were the inspiration of a scientist, Ethan Sims of the University of Vermont, who asked what would happen if thin people who had never had a weight problem deliberately got fat. This was, of course, the reverse of the famous Ancel Keys experiment, but that was not how or why Sims thought of it.

Sims says he got the idea from research he had done during a sabbatical year, when he was trying to make mice fat. That turned out to be difficult—even when they were supplied with abundant tasty food, the mice ate only enough to maintain their weight. Sims could force- feed the animals, but then they would increase their metabolic rate and burn more calories, which led them to gain less than was predicted. Even if the animals put on some weight, they would lose it and go right back to their original weights when the study ended. Sims began to wonder whether people, too, would have a hard time gaining weight. No one had ever really asked—who, after all, would want to get fat?

But Sims was a university faculty member, and when he returned to the University of Vermont he managed to find subjects for his weight-gain study among its students. He deliberately recruited students who had never been fat and had no family history of obesity and who were willing to make a serious effort to try to become fat. It sounded as if it would be easy—all you would have to do is indulge yourself with all of your favorite calorie-laden treats. Most people, when asked, say they could weigh much more than they do but that they exert their willpower to keep their weight down.

But Sims and his student volunteers found otherwise. To their own surprise, these subjects found it all but impossible to gain much weight; no matter how much they tried to eat, they just could not become obese. The experiment was a failure. Could it have been that deep down the students really did not want to be fat? Was it really that hard to gain weight?
Maybe, Sims decided, the problem was that the volunteers were free to move about and were burning too many calories with physical activity. He thought of the perfect subjects, people who really would have no chance to cheat and burn off calories: prisoners. So he repeated his experiment with men who were incarcerated in a nearby state prison and who volunteered to become fat.

This time, the experiment worked, in a fashion—the men got fat. But producing obesity turned out to be much harder than Sims had anticipated. The men increased their weight by 20 to 25 percent, but it took four to six months for them to do this, eating as much as they could every day. Some ended up eating 10,000 calories a day, an amount so incredible that it would be hard to believe, were it not for I he fact that the research study had attendants present at each meal who dutifully recorded everything the men ate.

But when Sims calculated the amount of weight the men should be gaining, he discovered that they were gaining much less than would have been predicted and that different men gained at different rates. Once the men were fat, Sims asked how many calories they needed to maintain their weight and how that compared with the calories they needed when they were at their normal weights, before the study began. The answer was astonishing: When the thin men got fat, their metabolism increased by 50 percent. They needed more than 2,700 calories per square meter of their body surface to stay at their obese weight, but just 1,800 calories per square meter to maintain their normal weight.

Maybe all fat people have very fast metabolisms, strange as that might seem. But no. Obese people who got that way naturally turned out to have perfectly normal metabolic rates, no different from the average metabolic rate of a thin person who is at a weight that feels comfortable and easy to maintain.

Then Sims did another study. He recruited very heavy men and dieted them down to the same level of fatness as the newly obese prisoners. These men, while just as fat as the prisoners, needed half as many calories to maintain their weight. That, of course, was just what Jules Hirsch had found, but the results helped convince Sims that his striking findings with the men who gained weight were correct. The men who lost weight were like the mirror image of the gainers.

As for the fat cells of the newly obese prisoners, it turned out that they had simply grown larger, much larger, but their number remained constant. The men were fat, but they got that way by stuffing the cells they already had with globules of fat, not by growing more fat cells. So, because they always had fewer fat cells than people who were naturally fat, they were fundamentally different from naturally fat people.

When the study ended, the prisoners had no trouble losing weight; within months, they were back to normal and effortlessly stayed there.

The implications were clear. There is a reason that fat people can't stay thin after they diet and that thin people can't stay fat when they force themselves to gain weight. The body's metabolism speeds up or slows down to keep weight within a narrow range. Gain weight and the metabolism can as much as double; lose weight and the metabolism can slow down to half its original speed. That, of course, was contrary to what every scientist had thought,
and Sims knew it, as did Jules Hirsch.

In a review article published in 1976, Sims wrote, "Ever since Lavoisier demonstrated animal respiration, there has been a tendency to assume that animals constantly burn their substrates with the same even flame and the same even efficiency." But, he added, "there is no reason to believe that this maximum is achieved or is constant in different individuals under different conditions." Hirsch wrote his own summary of the work:

The body weight of an obese or nonobese person tends to remain constant. When the system for controlling fat storage is challenged by experimental over- or under-feeding, energy expenditure alters as a counter force, "bucking" the change. The overfed person increases fat storage but burns more calories, which acts as a brake on further accumulation of fat mass. The reverse occurs with weight reduction; a decline in body fat storage leads to a decrease in the burning of calories.

The message never really got out to the nation's dieters, but a few research scientists were intrigued and asked the next question about body weight: What determines whether someone will be fat or thin? Is body weight inherited? Or is obesity more of an inadvertent, almost unconscious response to a society where food is cheap and abundant and oh, so tempting? An extra 100 calories a day will pile on 10 pounds in a year, public health and obesity experts are fond of telling us. Keep it up for five years and you'll be 50 pounds heavier.

Of course, everyone has seen fat families—photos of fat parents with their fat children have become almost a cliche in today's obesity- obsessed nation. And everyone has seen families in which the parents are slender and all their children are thin. But there are two possibilities that could explain why the children of fat parents are fat: it could be that the children inherit a genetic tendency to be fat, or it could be that the parents encouraged bad eating habits and an abhorrence of exercise. Growing up in a household where gargantuan portions are the norm, or where the kitchen is always stocked with tempting chips and nuts, cookies and ice cream, might make anyone fat. Or so it would seem.

That is the assumption behind today's push to change the food offered in schools, getting rid of soda machines and replacing high- fat meals with ones with less fat. It is the assumption behind the movement to ban junk-food advertising that is directed at children. And it is the assumption behind the assertions that people today are fat because there are too few bike paths or sidewalks or because schools are not devoting enough time to physical education. The assumption is that your environment determines your weight.

Mickey Stunkard, ever the iconoclast, wondered if that assumption was true and, if so, to what extent. It was the early 1980s, long before obesity became what one social scientist calls a moral panic, but a time when those questions of nature-versus-nurture were very much on his mind.

Stunkard wanted to study adoptees—a classic method of deciding the relative contributions of genes and environment to human traits. But he needed large numbers of people who had been adopted in infancy and reared apart from their biological parents, and he needed to know the height and weight of the biological parents, the adoptive parents, and the adoptees.

Such information is not available in the United States, where adoption records generally are sealed and there is no national database of adoptions. But, by chance, Stunkard discovered what looked like a perfect way to address his questions— it turned out that there was an adoption registry in Denmark that should have all the information he needed.

The registry had been developed to study mental illnesses. It was instituted by Harvard psychiatrist Seymour Kety, who had worked with researchers in Denmark in his quest to understand whether schizophrenia was inherited and had used that country's meticulous medical records of every adoption there between 1927 and 1947, including the names of the adoptees' biological parents. But when Kety used the registry for his research study, the results were disappointing. Schizophrenia was so rare in that Danish population, occurring in just 0.5 percent of the people, that he could not conclusively establish whether a tendency to develop it was inherited or not.

Stunkard, however, saw an opportunity to answer his questions about obesity. One day, when he and Kety were talking about the registry, he popped the question. "I said, 'My goodness, do they have heights and weights [of the people in the registry]?' He said yes, they have heights and weights, but why would that matter?" Stunkard explained that he might be able to use the Danish registry to determine whether body weight is inherited. Kety agreed to write to the Danish psychiatrist Fini Schulzinger, who oversaw the registry, and with that introduction, Stunkard went to Copenhagen to meet with Schulzinger and beg to be allowed to use the data.

The visit was unsuccessful, Stunkard recalls. "Schulzinger said, 'Well, Dr. Stunkard, we are the psychiatric institute. All we deal with are psychiatric issues, and obesity is a somatic issue and we don't deal with that.'"

For five years, Stunkard pleaded with Schulzinger, but got no further. Finally, he gave up. He had learned of another adoption registry, in Iceland, and scientists there seemed eager to allow him to do his study. So he got a plane ticket to Iceland to meet with the geneticists there. It turned out that for the same price, he could continue on to Copenhagen after staying in Iceland. Why not? he thought, and made the arrangements.

"When I arrived in Copenhagen, Schulzinger said, 'I have someone to work with you.' I said, 'On what?' He said, 'On the adoption registry.'" Astonished, never understanding why Schulzinger had suddenly changed his mind, Stunkard leapt at the chance. What he thinks of as his five-year courtship of Schulzinger was over. He could finally get down to answering that nature-nurture question with rigorous and extensive data.

Stunkard's Danish collaborator turned out to be "a very, very young guy," Thorkild I. A. Sorensen, who had never published anything but who was enthusiastic and willing. The researchers did their analysis of the registry data and began writing a paper. "I would write a draft and mail it to him. Two months later, he would send it back to me with his comments," Stunkard says. "I think we spent three years writing that paper. Then we sent it to the New England Journal of Medicine. They took it right away."

And no wonder. The study included 540 adults whose average age was forty. They had been adopted when they were very young— 55 percent had been adopted in the first month of life, and 90 percent were adopted in the first year of life—and reared apart from their biological parents. The investigators divided the adoptees into four categories: thin, average weight, overweight, and obese. Then they mailed general health questionnaires to the adoptees' biological parents and their biological siblings, asking for, among other things, their height and weight.

The results, published in 1986, were unequivocal. The adoptees were of the same fatness as their biological parents, and their fatness had no relation to how fat their adoptive parents were.

The scientists summarized their data: "The two major findings of this study were that there was a clear relation between the body- mass index of biologic parents and the weight class of adoptees, suggesting that genetic influences are important determinants of body fatness; and that there was no relation between the body-mass index of adoptive parents and the weight class of adoptees, suggesting that childhood family environment alone has little or no effect."

It did not matter what the children's adoptive parents fed them; it did not matter whether they set a good or a bad example with their diets and exercise habits. The fatness or thinness of children when they grew up had nothing to do with their adoptive parents. It had everything to do with the fatness or thinness of their biological parents, even though the children may have had no contact with their biological parents and may not even have known them.


In their paper, Stunkard and his collaborators pointed out the implications:

Current efforts to prevent obesity are directed toward all children (and their parents) almost indiscriminately. Yet if family environment alone has no role in obesity, efforts now directed toward persons with little genetic risk of the disorder could be refocused on the smaller number who are more vulnerable. Such persons can already be identified with some assurance: 80 percent of the offspring of two obese parents become obese, as compared with no more than 14 percent of the offspring of two parents of normal weight.
 
Another few studies like the last one cited confirm the findings:

One of the study's researchers, Jennifer R. Harris of the Karolin- ska Institute in Stockholm, said in an interview when the study was published that the results mean "almost all of the differences in weight between members of a population are due to genetic differences." Stunkard said the study "confirms with an even more powerful message than before that genetics play a major role in determining body weight."

The results do not mean that people are completely helpless to control their weight, Stunkard says. But they do mean that those who tend to be fat will have to constantly battle their genetic inheritance if they want to reach and maintain a lower weight.

And, as another investigative team discovered, some people will have a much tougher battle than others. That study, by Claude Bouchard, who directs the Pennington Biomedical Research Center at Louisiana State University, and his colleagues, found scientific evidence supporting what almost everyone has noticed—that some people can eat all they want and never gain weight. His paper, published in the same issue of the New England Journal of Medicine as Stunkard's paper, provided the first demonstration that different people who over-eat by the same amount can gain very different amounts of weight.

Bouchard recruited twelve pairs of identical twins, young men who agreed to purposely try to gain weight. This was not a repeat of Ethan Sims's study, in which he tried to make normal-weight people obese. Instead, Bouchard was asking whether different people, overeating by the same amount, would gain the same amount of weight. By using twins, he could ask whether people with identical genes would gain identical amounts of weight if they overate by the same amount.
So for six days a week, over a period of one hundred days, each young man deliberately ate 1,000 calories a day more than he needed to maintain his weight. The total number of extra calories for each man was 84,000. With 3,600 calories per pound, that meant that each man should gain 23.3 pounds.

The average weight gain, Bouchard reported, was 18 pounds, but the number of pounds gained varied from 9% to 29 pounds. Identical twins tended to gain nearly identical amounts of weight and tended to put on fat in the same places. One pair would put on weight in the thighs, another in the abdomen, another in the buttocks.

Bouchard also tried to understand why there were such pronounced differences in weight gain, and he noticed something intriguing. Those who gained the least weight converted most of their excess calories to muscle protein, and those who gained the most converted most of their extra calories directly into fat. It takes nine times as much energy to turn food into muscle as it does to turn it into fat, which helps explain why the twins who turned their extra food into muscle burned up most of their extra calories.

"We definitely have some very efficient people who are good at gaining weight," Bouchard said. When the study ended, however, all the young men effortlessly returned to their original weights, just like the subjects in Sims's studies of overfeeding.

Stunkard said the two studies together gave a scientific reason why some people struggle so hard to keep their weight under control. For these people, the data "gives them a nonjudgmental, reasonable explanation. It tells them that genetically, they've got the dice loaded against them." And, Stunkard added, he hoped the studies would persuade people to abandon psychological explanations for obesity that were so popular at the time, like "insatiable oral urges" and "defective impulse control."

They also provided evidence for a phenomenon that scientists like Hirsch and Leibel were certain was true—each person has a comfortable weight range that the body gravitates to. It might span 10 or 20 pounds—someone might be able to weigh anywhere from 120 to 140, for example, without too much effort. That may be why so many people say they could easily gain weight if they just let themselves go; they could, in fact, gain weight, but there is a limit to how much they would gain. Going much above or much below a person's natural weight range is difficult, and the body fights back by increasing or decreasing the appetite, and increasing or decreasing the metabolism to push the weight back to the range it seeks.
"This is not good news," Bouchard says. "Over the past decade we have seen repeated a thousand times studies in which people have lost weight but then regained it."

Jeffrey Friedman, an obesity researcher at Rockefeller, wrote in the journal Science about the powerful biological controls over body weight:

Those who doubt the power of basic drives, however, might note that although one can hold one's breath, this conscious act is soon overcome by the compulsion to breathe. The feeling of hunger is intense and, if not as potent as the drive to breathe, is probably no less powerful than the drive to drink when one is thirsty. This is the feeling the obese must resist after they have lost a significant amount of weight. The power of this drive is illustrated by the fact that, whatever one's motivation, dieting is generally ineffective in achieving significant weight loss over the long term. The greater the weight loss, the greater the hunger, and, sooner or later for most dieters, a primal hunger trumps the conscious desire to be thin.

He added that people often can lose 10 pounds or so, but beyond that it becomes increasingly difficult to lose large amounts of weight and keep it off.

"In trying to lose weight, the obese are fighting a difficult battle. It is a battle against biology, a battle that only the intrepid take on and one in which only a few prevail."



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Now, to look at the main issues here: corrupt/bad science and corporate/PTB propaganda.

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Why is there such an obesity obsession? Is being overweight that big a threat to health? Is it even bad for you to have a few extra pounds? This is a time when Americans and people in other developed countries are healthier than ever. We get fewer chronic diseases, and those we do get occur later in life. Disability rates are plummeting. We live longer and longer. It hardly appears that the health of America or of other nations is deteriorating. And so why does society cling to a beauty ideal that is so thin that almost no one can achieve, it? If most of America is in the "overweight or obese" category, why aren't those plumper body types acceptable, even admired? Why has the nation's growing girth become such a fixation?

In a way, it seems puzzling. People are told they have only themselves to blame if they are fat. Diet evangelists preach the self-blame message. There's Mike Huckabee, for example, elected governor of Arkansas in 1996, who lost 105 pounds over a period of two years. He's been making almost a second career out of proselytizing that anyone who really wants to can lose weight. He told The New York Times Magazine, "We tend to demonize industries, but it's my fault that I was overweight. No one ever forced me to go to McDonald's and order a triple cheeseburger or the largest fries they had, along with a milkshake."

In a sense, Huckabee is right—people do have some control. The research shows that individuals have a range of weights, often spanning as much as 20 or 30 pounds, that they can achieve and sustain. Being at the bottom of your range usually means constant vigilance; being at the top can mean throwing all caution to the wind. People often say they feel better and have more energy when they are near the bottom of their natural weight range, but that if they try to go much below it, they are like the formerly obese people from those studies long ago at Rockefeller University—they become obsessed with food, they are always hungry, they find themselves bingeing and gorging despite their best intentions, and the pounds come back.

But there is another facet to the issue of self-control and obesity. It involves the science that has shown more clearly than ever that most people have limited power over their weight. The research has identified brain pathways that determine how much we eat, and those pathways are just as powerful as brain pathways controlling blood pressure and heart rate. The research includes decades of studies that have consistently shown that very few people lose substantial amounts of weight and keep it off.

So why is it that the scientific truths about obesity are so often unknown or ignored by anti-obesity crusaders and by struggling dieters? Why is it that even obesity fighters like Huckabee either do not know what science has learned or choose to ignore or deny it? Why is it that the dream weights of most overweight people are so low that they are biologically excruciatingly difficult, if not impossible, to maintain?


These are the hardest questions, the "why" questions, the ones that ask about society and politics and people's hopes and dreams. They start with the question, Why obesity? Of all health risks, why is obesity at the top?

Now, pay attention here, the problem will become clear...

Suppose there was one threat to health that you could simply wipe out overnight. Which would you choose? The answer should be clear, medical authorities say. There's no room for discussion. It's cigarette smoking.

But smoking's time as a health crisis has come and gone, a victim of short attention spans and, more important, the enormous success of the litigation against tobacco companies. People still smoke, but now what you hear about is obesity.

There is not even a question in most people's minds that this is the health issue of the day. It pops up everywhere as a subject of concern.

In November 2005, the University of Michigan held a half-day panel discussion on the state of women's health reporting—women's health, not simply health. About five hundred people attended, and they were asked to submit questions in writing for the panelists. And there it was, in the pile of yellow slips of paper with questions written on them—the obesity question. With Americans so fat and growing fatter, why don't the media write more about this terrible health crisis and exhort people to eat less and exercise more?

Of course, the obesity question was not related specifically to women's health, but no one pointed that out.

Joanne Silberner, a health reporter for National Public Radio (NPR), noted that NPR's health reporters never stop talking about obesity. In fact, NPR now has a "dedicated obesity reporter," she said, someone whose sole job it is to report on obesity.

Then Michigan's surgeon general, Kimberlydawn Wisdom, one of the panelists sitting on the podium, chimed in, saying that when the magazine Men's Health declared Detroit America's fattest city, that helped enormously in getting people to pay attention to her office's new program, Michigan Steps Up. The program describes itself as a "healthy lifestyles campaign" and lists its goals in the following order: "Move More. Eat Better. Don't Smoke." It's hard to argue with such admonitions, but why was smoking number three? And was anyone any thinner for being told to exercise and eat better? She didn't say.


In part, the alarms arise from a growing segment of society— consisting of entities as diverse as drug companies, weight loss centers, academics, and divisions in federal and local governments—that depends on people being worried about the risks of being overweight or obese. "There are economic and professional interests in promoting this issue as opposed to other health issues," says Abigail Saguy, a sociologist at the University of California at Los Angeles.


Jeff Friedman agreed. "A lot of the reasons that perceptions about obesity are slow to change is that there is a huge financial and personal interest on the part of many promoting the message that 'this is your fault.' That includes the diet industry and a subgroup of the, quote, scientific community whose careers are invested in the idea that you can implement a set of behavioral measures that can treat obesity."

This is not to say that individuals and organizations that make their living from obesity are disingenuous. But when your support, and your money, comes from making sure that the growing number of obese and overweight people is a major public health priority, there may be at least subtle pressures to emphasize the dire consequences of weight gain and the importance of losing weight, whether or not the science fully backs those claims. And it is certainly true that if obesity were cured tomorrow, legions of companies and individuals would be out of work. Just a quick perusal of the vast array of professionals whose entire careers are centered on a concern over excess weight shows the extent to which the obesity problem has become part and parcel of the economy and the national mindset.

There are scientists, for example, who have just one research subject—obesity. Places like the Center for Weight and Eating Disorders at the University of Pennsylvania, where the study comparing the Atkins diet with a low-calorie one is taking place, exist to conduct weight loss study after weight loss study. They've been doing so for years even though Gary Foster, who was the center's clinical director (he's now director of the Center for Obesity Research and Education at Temple University), admits that every study pretty much ends the same way. The participants lose some weight, and then most gain it back.

They may get special diet foods or special support, with psychologists like Leslie Womble or trainee Eva Epstein counseling them. They may get an unusual diet, like one the center was recruiting for in 2005 as the federal study of Atkins versus low-calorie diets wound down. (It's a study sponsored by the almond industry: participants in one group have to eat almonds as part of their low-calorie diet.)

But no matter how the diets are tweaked, no matter how much psychological support the dieters get, the results have been absolutely predictable. The participants may end up more knowledgeable about what they are eating and more aware of portion sizes and calories. They may start exercising and be healthier for it. But most never achieve the goal they had when they joined the study—permanent and substantial weight loss. Nonetheless, the research goes on; the studies are repeated again and again.

Going up a step in the meta-analysis of the obesity world, there are the academic centers that exist just to study the national policies and practices that might be leading to obesity. At Yale, for example, the same building that houses the Yale Center for Eating and Weight Disorders—Yale's version of Penn's eating disorders center—also houses the Rudd Center for Food Policy and Obesity, whose research is more politically motivated. Its director, Kelly Brownell, who also directs the eating disorders center, wants junk food like sodas and candy banned from schools and wants taxes on junk foods, saying that obesity is caused by a "toxic environment."

Along with the academics studying obesity treatments and obesity politics, there are the federal agencies that support them, devoting large chunks of their workforce to the obesity problem. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), chief among them, says obesity is among its top four priorities in protecting public health. It has put its scientists to work studying obesity statistics and giving grants, and has been so enthusiastic about its anti-obesity mission that its research at times appears more like public relations than serious science.

There was, for example, a CDC study that Julie Gerberding, the agency's director, proudly announced in 2005 during a press conference on obesity statistics. She proclaimed that the centers sent a team of specialists into West Virginia to study an outbreak of obesity the same way the CDC studies an outbreak of an infectious disease. West Virginia had asked the CDC for help, saying it was the third-fattest state in the nation, with 27.6 percent of its adults classified as obese compared with 20.4 percent in the nation as a whole. And the state was fourth in the nation for diabetes, with 10.2 percent of its inhabitants affected as compared with 6.4 percent among people in the rest of the country. West Virginia also was number one in the prevalence of high blood pressure, with 33.1 percent of its people having the condition, as compared with 25.8 percent of the population nationwide.

"We were looking at our data," explained Kerri Kennedy, the program manager at the West Virginia Physical Activity and Nutrition Program, and saw that "we are facing a severe health crisis."

But an outbreak of obesity, of course, is nothing like an outbreak of food poisoning or influenza. It's clear what causes food poisoning or the flu, and there are well-tested measures to deal with those diseases. Not so with obesity. And other than garnering publicity for the CDC's efforts to stem the growing girth of the nation, it is hard to see what such an investigation of an obesity outbreak could accomplish. The study was directly modeled on the CDC's procedures when it is informed of a disease outbreak. With food poisoning, for example, teams try to find the source. If it is a restaurant, they interrogate employees and trace the food to its suppliers. Kerri Kennedy described a similar sequence of steps in the probe of the obesity outbreak. Teams went to schools and asked about physical education programs and what sort of food was provided. Did students get "at least one or two appealing fruits and vegetables every day"? And "would you replace sour cream with low-fat sour cream?" They went to workplaces and asked whether the vending machines had 100 percent fruit juices and bottled water (that ignores, of course, the fact that there are at least as many calories in fruit juices as in sodas) and whether there were policies to encourage people to exercise. Could people get an extra 15 or 20 minutes added to their lunch break if they chose to walk? The teams also went to randomly selected grocery stores and restaurants, asking whether they offered fruits and vegetables and skim or 1 percent milk.

Daniel McGee, a professor of statistics at Florida State University who has analyzed obesity data, burst out laughing when he heard about the West Virginia study. "My God," he said, "what a strange thing to do.


They'll find out what we all know—that the country is no longer set up for physical exercise and that schoolchildren don't get a nutritious diet." And they'll find that "there is a lot of high-fat food on the shelves of every supermarket." But that, he added, "doesn't tell you much. I'm sure skinny people go to those same restaurants. Skinny kids go to those same schools."

The CDC is hardly alone in paying for uninformative studies. Other agencies, like the Department of Agriculture, also do their part.


On October 3, 2005, the Rand Corporation sent out a press release on findings from an obesity study paid for by the Department of Agriculture. "These findings may help explain the growing obesity epidemic among children over the past 20 years," said Roland Sturm, a Rand senior economist and lead author of the study.

That sounds impressive, but what did the scientists actually find? Not much, it turns out. They looked at the presence of convenience stores and full-service restaurants and fast food restaurants and grocery stores to see if there was a correlation with the weights of young school-aged children. They found no effect, defying the hypothesis in the CDC's West Virginia study. But they did report one positive finding: the higher the price of fruits and vegetables in a region, the fatter the young school-aged children. As any statistician will tell you, a correlation is hardly cause and effect. There are so many factors that could make a difference. Yes, income is a factor. Poor children, and poor adults, are likely to be fatter. But there are complicating factors. For example, the researchers had no data on how many fruits and vegetables the children ate, so they could not say whether people ate fewer fruits and vegetables in places where these cost more or even whether those children who gained more weight ate fewer fruits and vegetables. Nor could they say whether poor children wanted fruits and vegetables but shunned them because they were too expensive. Also, the Department of Agriculture had said previously that fruits and vegetables were cheap enough that even poor families could afford them. But that's okay. It just means another study is needed, the Rand researchers say.

"Our findings suggest the need for more research to determine what impact the higher prices may have on the consumption of fruits and vegetables among children," they noted in their press release.

Of course, every area of science and medicine has silly studies or results that are much less convincing than a press release would have you believe. And other areas of medicine, like cancer or heart disease, also support a vast network of doctors, medical centers, and purveyors of drugs and supplements. But obesity really is different. It is one of the only areas of medical and social science research where everyone knows what the results must be—that children and adults are fat and getting fatter—and where everyone knows that the studies must show that the nation is heading toward a medical disaster.

And it is an area where a few key culprits, or causes, must emerge. It's the lack of physical education in schools. It's the general slothfulness of Americans, who would rather take an elevator up one flight of steps than walk. It's those gargantuan portion sizes. It's Big Food, which, like Big Tobacco, has managed to produce products that are positively addictive. It's people's lack of individual responsibility, their unwillingness to be accountable for their own health. Anyone who really wants to can eat less and exercise more, some commentators say.

"Everyone has a deeply held set of beliefs, a hypothesis about the I cause of obesity," says Jeff Friedman. Yet, he and others say, there is I little objective scientific support for any of them. No one disputes that people really are fatter today. But, notes David Williamson, an obesity researcher at the CDC, national data do not indicate that Americans are any less active than they used to be.

If it's not physical activity, then are we eating more, or eating more of the wrong kinds of foods? Not necessarily, says Friedman. "It looks like food intake per capita is declining. And it looks like there is a reduction in the fraction of calories coming from fat."

Still, something has to have changed. Why are people fatter now than they used to be? "That's the sixty-four-thousand-dollar question," Friedman says. Others, including Jules Hirsch at Rockefeller University, agree. "I don't know, and no one else does, either," he says.

The answer was right at the very beginning:

earlier section of Rethinking Thin said:
Ahrens discovered this strange fact by investigating study subjects who had lived in the Rockefeller University Hospital, existing for months on diets that used corn oil as a source of fat. Their fat cells, it turned out, had increased amounts of linoleic acid, the fatty acid found in corn oil. "If you eat corn oil, your adipose tissue gets corn oily," Hirsch says. "We used to make a joke that if you eat ham, you turn into the Smithfield man."

There had been an epidemic of heart disease in the twentieth century. Had there been a corresponding change in Americans' diets? Ahrens and Hirsch asked. They looked for studies that described American diets, and data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which told what Americans ate. And they acquired samples of fat tissue, obtained at autopsies, and analyzed them. Their conclusions were that the American diet had changed from one that emphasized animal fat, and particularly fat from pork, to one with more corn or vegetable oils.

But, they go on with their ignoring of the obvious:

One problem with looking at national statistics, Hirsch notes, is that obese people really do not eat significantly more than the non- obese. It takes just a few hundred more calories a day to sustain a fat person than a thin one, and data on food consumption may not be sensitive enough to show that. As for physical activity, almost no one does enough to make much difference in their caloric needs, so that is not a good indicator, either. Hirsch wonders whether something else is at play, some factor no one has thought of. The human race is changing for some reason, and body weight is only part of it. We're taller, more intelligent—at least according to IQ tests—and heavier. "We're different creatures than we used to be," Hirsch says.

"We're different and we store more fat." This may be an effect of something subtle, like better nutrition early in life, or less disease early in life. In animal studies and in some studies of people, small and very subtle changes in pregnancy or infancy or infections in infancy or childhood can affect conditions like obesity or the age of onset of chronic diseases in adulthood.
One thing is clear, though, Hirsch says. The admonitions to eat less and exercise more are not making a discernable difference in the weight of Americans. And it is not for lack of publicity about how important it is to lose weight. "You can't possibly saturate the country with any more warnings," Hirsch says. "I don't think anyone can say, 'Gee, I don't know about this.'"

That, of course, does not keep anyone from admonishing the public. And there's a reason for that, says Eric Oliver, a political scientist at the University of Chicago who studied the obesity epidemic. Obesity, he says, has something in it for everyone. "If you are on the political right, obesity is indicative of moral failure," he says. "If you are on the left, it means rampaging global capitalism."
 
Laura said:
... that some people can cat all they want and never gain weight. His paper, published in the same issue of the New England Journal of Medicine as Stunkard's paper, provided the first demonstration that different people who over- cat by the same amount can gain very different amounts of weight.
I assume the word should be "eat" and not "cat" :)
 
Laura said:
It's really frustrating that we have to get all this information piecemeal, a bit from this book, a bit from that book, and so on...
Kind of like so much of the rest of the knowledge we are looking for. :)
 
Psyche said:
We'll share here with all of you Chapter 5 of the book "Life Without Bread". It explains how our mitochondria (our energy factories in each cell) do way much better with fat sources and how they can use fat only when there is very little carb intake...

Thank you for posting this material. I am having "accessibility" issues with "Life Without Bread," as it doesn't seem to be available in either audiobook or eBook form. I can, however, send forum excerpts to my Kindle. I haven't seen the print version yet but often the print is too small for me to read comfortably. Fortunately Why We Get Fat and Rethinking Thin are available as audiobooks.
 
I have the Life Without Bread book and with encouragement from others from the forum in mid-April I changed my food to meats and fats, with strict limits on my carbs. I am 188cm, so about 6 foot 2 and weigh in at about 79 or so kg which is about 175 pounds. I have had trouble gaining weight, and I still wear basically the same waist of pants I had in my late teens, and I'm 40 years old now.

According to the Life Without Bread book, the way my body processes carbs, is to simply burn them, where there are many people who eat like me but their body stores them. Laura's postings go into detail about this, and are a worthwhile read. So I'm what you would say too slender, but not as radical as the guy in the Life Without Bread book (I'll try to remember to scan the before/after pics of the guy who was deathly thin and filled out nicely after dropping the carbs).

But apart from body shape, I feel my head is clearer, and if I get a reasonable amount of sleep I am seldom tired in the day, and thoughts of mid-to-late afternoon naps have disappeared.

I also do not crave foods as much. I dropped caffeine over a year ago, and dairy went out in Autumn 2010, with most gluten totally out of my diet by January this year. I still will have a bit of potato and rice time to time (and grains with gluten are totally gone). I also don't feel those huge hunger pangs anymore really - I know I have to eat, as that time of the day comes around, but I don't get that craving, gnawing hunger. I also enjoy buying different cuts of meat, preparing them, and eating them with "impunity" :D. I also enjoy buying a big chunk of meat, like a chunk of ham and eating it with the fat on it like my Viking ancestors likely did :)
Unfortunately, when I check various shops, most of the cuts of meats are missing lots of the fat - a butcher told me that they are cutting the fat off due to customer preferences....

Bottom line: so far dropping carbs and eating more meat and good animal fat with a only small amount of specific veggies like lettuce, carrots, or greenbeans (and totally dropping fruit/sugars) has been very beneficial for me - no cramps or anything, it seems my body is just enjoying this!

My biggest question right now, is to put together the right mix of supplements for me, and I am feeling that is a bit of a crapshoot. I've been scouring the forum a bit to see what people are finding most beneficial. I have some vitamin C, and take D, but with the drop in all of those veggies, fruits and berries I used to eat, I am not sure what the best mix would be (I'm thinking potassium, calcium/magnesium, B vitamin- can anyone point me to a few good threads, as I am not sure of the daily amounts a person should take?

Jefferson
 
Jefferson said:
My biggest question right now, is to put together the right mix of supplements for me, and I am feeling that is a bit of a crapshoot. I've been scouring the forum a bit to see what people are finding most beneficial. I have some vitamin C, and take D, but with the drop in all of those veggies, fruits and berries I used to eat, I am not sure what the best mix would be (I'm thinking potassium, calcium/magnesium, B vitamin- can anyone point me to a few good threads, as I am not sure of the daily amounts a person should take?

Jefferson

Here is Psyche's reply #102 to Mr. Premise. It may, or may not, help you out.

Psyche said:
Yeah, and a good number of people have been reporting lately that with with this high fat and protein diet, they don't need the same number of supplements they did before. We certainly don't take much supplements anymore.

When you eat plenty of meat and fats, most people can come off from most supplements. When you have enough fat, your cell membranes are healthier and communicate with each other much better. You have enough fat to make hormones and with the meat you have enough amino acids/protein to make neurotransmitters among other things. Meat and eggs have all minerals and vitamins. When you are not stimulating your insulin levels all the time, your whole hormonal system gets a chance to balance itself up. You're basically have to consider only vitamin C supplementation and possibly magnesium to keep things moving.

Some people might need the help of supplementation during the first few months (or more depending on their health problems), but for most people, I don't think it has to be a long term issue.

Well, then you have the issue of radioactivity (cesium in the meat), then perhaps a month's protocol twice a year of spirulina (or something similar: pectin, chlorella) could be a long term measure. Those living in more exposed areas can consider a daily intake.

Also the heavy metal chelation protocol, which can be done at least once, and then it can be repeated as needed in order to counteract mercury toxicity.

Progesterone cream is also a great thing to do, specially women.

This in general, there will be special cases and special requirements.
 
Nienna Eluch said:
Here is Psyche's reply #102 to Mr. Premise. It may, or may not, help you out.

Psyche said:
Yeah, and a good number of people have been reporting lately that with with this high fat and protein diet, they don't need the same number of supplements they did before. We certainly don't take much supplements anymore.

When you eat plenty of meat and fats, most people can come off from most supplements. When you have enough fat, your cell membranes are healthier and communicate with each other much better. You have enough fat to make hormones and with the meat you have enough amino acids/protein to make neurotransmitters among other things. Meat and eggs have all minerals and vitamins. When you are not stimulating your insulin levels all the time, your whole hormonal system gets a chance to balance itself up. You're basically have to consider only vitamin C supplementation and possibly magnesium to keep things moving.


Hey, thanks for pointing out that comment by Psyche on supplements - in the sporadic moments I can get to the forum I find I miss these pearls of info at times.

I am not feeling any real deficiency in anything, so I could be living, empirical evidence of what Psyche wrote.

I should admit that I do get the odd craving for CHOCOLATE - I found a few organic, soy-free, [not always] sugar free ones, and I don't eat the whole bar any more in one shot, and a few good chunks at a time only (with spaces between choc binges increasing). However I have observed if I am taking in ample fats (which I don't always get), then the chocolate craving does not hit.

One key point: I do not feel I am denying myself anything, or giving up much. I have foods and goods I ingest that are good for my body, that are enjoyable and make me feel energetic and satisfied. That's enough for me, at least that's how I feel right now.
 
Psyche said:
Yeah, and a good number of people have been reporting lately that with with this high fat and protein diet, they don't need the same number of supplements they did before. We certainly don't take much supplements anymore.

When you eat plenty of meat and fats, most people can come off from most supplements. When you have enough fat, your cell membranes are healthier and communicate with each other much better. You have enough fat to make hormones and with the meat you have enough amino acids/protein to make neurotransmitters among other things. Meat and eggs have all minerals and vitamins. When you are not stimulating your insulin levels all the time, your whole hormonal system gets a chance to balance itself up. You're basically have to consider only vitamin C supplementation and possibly magnesium to keep things moving.

Some people might need the help of supplementation during the first few months (or more depending on their health problems), but for most people, I don't think it has to be a long term issue.

Well, then you have the issue of radioactivity (cesium in the meat), then perhaps a month's protocol twice a year of spirulina (or something similar: pectin, chlorella) could be a long term measure. Those living in more exposed areas can consider a daily intake.

Also the heavy metal chelation protocol, which can be done at least once, and then it can be repeated as needed in order to counteract mercury toxicity.

Progesterone cream is also a great thing to do, specially women.

This is very helpful - i have actually been wondering about this because saving money on all of the supplements would help to be able to purchase higher-quality meat.

I have a couple of questions, though. Since so much of fish is suspect - should we continue to supplement with Omega-3 fatty acids, to make sure we get enough? I really cannot afford to purchase ONLY grass fed meat right now.

What about Vitamin D? I have really fair skin and cannot be, nor do I have the opportunity to be out in the sun much. Will I still need to supplement with Vitamin D? I have been told I should take 5K Mg /day - but that seems high to me.

Also - what about Probiotics and digestive enzymes (after the first few months of changing to the new way of eating)? There is so much written about why we need them, but they are all expensive....
 
Psyche said:
Yeah, and a good number of people have been reporting lately that with with this high fat and protein diet, they don't need the same number of supplements they did before. We certainly don't take much supplements anymore.

Yeah this has happened for me too. In fact the only vitamins and minerals I'm taking now, maybe it's just a coincidence, are vitamin C and magnesium. It's good to know that you recommend the exact same thing. It's definitely a lot easier on the budget.
 
aleana said:
This is very helpful - i have actually been wondering about this because saving money on all of the supplements would help to be able to purchase higher-quality meat.

I have a couple of questions, though. Since so much of fish is suspect - should we continue to supplement with Omega-3 fatty acids, to make sure we get enough? I really cannot afford to purchase ONLY grass fed meat right now.

What about Vitamin D? I have really fair skin and cannot be, nor do I have the opportunity to be out in the sun much. Will I still need to supplement with Vitamin D? I have been told I should take 5K Mg /day - but that seems high to me.

Also - what about Probiotics and digestive enzymes (after the first few months of changing to the new way of eating)? There is so much written about why we need them, but they are all expensive....

I'm continuing with the supplements I'm currently taking for several more months, for the change process to work through, as Laura suggested earlier in the thread, for the full effect of the fats to come into operation.

Re Omega-3 fatty acids, yes, as well as oils such as Evening Primrose, or Krill (very expensive). I'd keep taking the Vitamin D too, I do. From what I've read on the various threads, I think that digestive aids are beneficial, especially for certain blood types. Remember, we've all, probably, been on high fibre, high carb, low fat and gluten diets for a long time - there is a lot to change. :)

This may help, or not.
 
Trevrizent said:
Remember, we've all, probably, been on high fibre, high carb, low fat and gluten diets for a long time - there is a lot to change. :)

This statement bears repeating and remembering. According to Dr. Lutz, in "Life Without Bread", there are some people who simply cannot reverse the damage already done to their bodies, though they can certainly stop and prevent further damage. I may be one of them myself, though I've sure made a LOT of improvement and I'm not going to say it's impossible because the process is ongoing.

One of the main things emphasized in both "Life Without Bread" and Taubes' "Why We Get Fat" (which is not just for fat people, but for everyone), is the extremely important role insulin plays in causing damage to the body in numerous ways and systems. Insulin was never meant to be secreted as often as it is on a high-carb diet. Both authors see any significant insulin production as one of the keys to the breakdown of health which can allow serious diseases to take hold, such as cancer.

Thus, minimizing the production of insulin in your body is one of the aims of the lifestyle.

But you can't just stop eating carbs or even cut down drastically all of a sudden unless you are pretty young and resilient. You have to approach this cautiously because, for many of us, we have been operating on a carb energy system for years and years and years and the fat energy system with all its varied connections is not brought online so easily.

Most people, after years of suppressing their liver function with low-fat and no-fat diets, have very sluggish livers, so the liver is going to need help to purge itself and get accustomed to doing its job again.

The same is true of the intestines, especially the colon, that has been accustomed to being swelled up and packed with irritating fiber and normal evacuation signals have been suppressed or can no longer be recognized or, in some cases, even perceived.

So, pay attention to what you are doing, go easy on yourself, and network about any problems.
 
Posté par: Laura
But you can't just stop eating carbs or even cut down drastically all of a sudden unless you are pretty young and resilient. You have to approach this cautiously because, for many of us, we have been operating on a carb energy system for years and years and years and the fat energy system with all its varied connections is not brought online so easily.

Our experience at home is that it's easier for our 10 years old daughter to adapt to the low carbs diet then it's for me and my wife. Already on a high protein and fat diet sure helped a lot as we had diminished carbs already but still were over a hundred gram per day. So we have decided to go gradually, lowering it to between 90 to 100 grams for a some time and augmenting the fat and protein in consequence. Once adapted to that amount, when carbs craving get controlled we will take another step. The step from 100 grams to 72 grams just over two BU per day or 1 fruit such as a medium apple.

As I said, my daughter did not complain at all when I served her more meat or don't ask her to finish her quinoa or, when I replaced one fruit or home made muffin with jerky meat for collation. She always preferred meat to veggies and easily replaced it and didn't have to overcome a carbs craving. What help us, is to always have some kind of meat in the refrigerator, like home made jerky which everyone love or ham or chicken or even soup, something to snack on other than high carbs.

It won't be easy but gradually we will get there.

Thanks Laura and everyone for the precious info,
 
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