Magnetite, spinning and meridians

I am now at 99 spins every day. Instead of taking it slowly to rise in rotations as I have been over the last few years, I recently decided to push myself through the threshold of 66 and go for 99. I just get this sense of urgency that I should establish this ASAP.

For the first week or so, I get an intense feeling of exhaustion around 70 spins. Ignoring this, I kept hitting 99 and again, would feel the difference in focus, balance, and inner silence/calm through out the day. I'm far less emotional, or at least not swilled around in in emotional currents as I have been.
Do you do 99 spins at once or 99 is total number of spins during a day.
I somehow cannot get past 20 at once, anyone has tips?
 

duyunne

Jedi Master
Do you do 99 spins at once or 99 is total number of spins during a day.
I somehow cannot get past 20 at once, anyone has tips?
99 at once.

My tip is to start at 33. Once completed, clasp hands together as if praying in front of your chest to promote balance so you don’t fall over, or sit down if that’s easier. Once comfortable at 33, try to add more rotations gradually based on your comfort level. Try to make it a goal to go from 33, to 66, then 99.

As I mentioned, I started in 2016. I too had a hard time getting to 33. But still kept at it at least 6 days a week, each morning before I start my morning routine.

I have fallen over a few times so be sure you have space around you, lest you accidentally flail into your furniture and risk breaking yourself or your things.
 

Talitha

The Force is Strong With This One
Do you do 99 spins at once or 99 is total number of spins during a day.
I somehow cannot get past 20 at once, anyone has tips?
I do 33x3 sometimes twice a day counterclockwise or clockwise depending on how my core is feeling...
I started a couple of months ago (when a discovered the Cass world :) ) watching this video helped me for inspiration in the beginning

And I do my swirls with that song Tear Drops from Sheer Sofer....I guess the trick is surrendering.... the more I try to control the swirls it gets harder....
Oh...for me it works better with arms on a 90degree angle (same as Tibetans do) but usually change positions...tilting the head to the side is a no-no so far....
:-)
 

Stella Marys

The Force is Strong With This One
En principio, cuando experimenté los giros luego de leer este hilo, sentí un poco de inseguridad por falta de información. En donde vivo hay mucha población afro y tienen ciertos cultos, no sé diferenciarlos porque dentro de su religión también tienen sus variantes. Hay muchísimas personas que participan y su fiesta principal es el día dos de febrero (aquí en uruguay) celebran a una entidad que llaman Iemanja ,diosa madre y protectora y todos los años se congregan a lo largo de la costa de la playa Parque Rodó,para rendir homenaje y hacer sus pedidos y hacer sus ofrendas... Es bastante masivo el encuentro. Jamás entré a alguno de esos lugares que ellos lo llaman "el templo". La persona que dirige esa ceremonia es llamado "El Pae o pai" o " La mae" si es una mujer. Generalmente el llamado "pae" es homosexual porque dicen que se le "incorpora" muy bien una entidad femenina que veneran. Y en sus sesiones hay percusión, cantos,danzas y Giros. Hablan con tipos muertos y también con entidades de más nivel. Según lo observado es un culto que trabaja con fuerzas de servicio a sí mismo. Hacen "trabajos" para que les vaya bien en algún aspecto de sus vidas . Hacen rituales para obtener la pareja deseada, riqueza, salud, etc... Buscan obtener un beneficio propio. No estoy informada sobre esta religión, o sea, como haya sido en sus orígenes. Quizás sea una distorsión y en su forma primitiva tenga aspectos más de servicio a los demás. No lo sé. Conocí personas que estaban involucradas activamente en este culto y la observación que realicé está reflejada en la descripción de más arriba. Todo esto está visto desde afuera, desde la perspectiva de los que no participan de ese culto. Desconfiamos de eso.
Cuento sobre esto porque el único antecedente que conocía sobres giros cuando leí este hilo, era lo que acabo de escribir sobre este culto afro muy extendido aquí, sobretodo en Montevideo .
Recuerdo que al finalizar la lectura , giré y lo hice con los brazos extendidos, la palma de la mano izquierda hacia arriba y la mano derecha hacia abajo. Giré 99 veces de una sola vez. Al terminar el giro puse mis palmas juntas a manera de rezo a la altura del pecho (Giraba mucho cuando era niña y por supuesto que los adultos no dejaban hacerlo por las caídas y golpes y por las náuseas que me provocaba. En edad adulta nunca se me ocurrió hacerlo) Me sorprendió. No sentí molestias. Cuando le conté a mi esposo (Bernardo) el me dijo: " Hay que tener cuidado con eso porque no sabes a qué energías estás llamando". !Justamente por lo que les conté , asociamos los giros con esa actividad que no es de nuestro agrado.Es evidente que es una especie de "herramienta" para abrir paso hacia otros planos. Como un portal quizás? Pasó el tiempo y seguí atenta a este tema. Hace unas noches encontré otro hilo donde las personas del foro se estaban preparando para un evento lunar que tiene una periodicidad de 19 años y todos hablaban sobre los giros. Bueno, prontamente comencé 3x33 porque los C recomendaron esa manera. Con más información lo hice creo que dos o tres días seguidos y los días siguientes sentí que estaba más centrada, fué una buena experiencia. Ahora siento confianza y esto también creo es de importancia. Elijo música inspiradora y al finalizar recito la oración del alma,agradezco y me ofrezco para el servicio. Seguiré experimentando, estudiando y observando ... De hecho ya estoy aprovechando esta oportunidad ya que nunca se me ocurrió investigar sobre esta religión y busqué material aquí dejo este enlace(español) :http://www.ugr.es/~pwlac/_GazetaAntropologia.gif


In principle, when I experienced the twists after reading this thread, I felt a little insecure due to lack of information. Where I live there are many Afro people and they have certain cults, I don't know how to differentiate them because within their religion they also have their variants. There are many people who participate and their main festival is on February 2nd (here in Uruguay) they celebrate an entity they call Iemanja, mother and protector goddess and every year they congregate along the coast of the beach Parque Rodó, to pay homage and make their orders and offerings.... The encounter is quite massive. I never entered any of those places they call "the temple". The person who conducts that ceremony is called "El Pae o pai" or "La mae" if it is a woman. Generally the so-called "pae" is homosexual because they say that it is "incorporated" very well a feminine entity that they worship. And in its sessions there are percussion, chants, dances and Giros. They talk to dead guys and also to higher level entities. As observed it is a cult that works with forces of service to itself. They do "jobs" so that they do well in some aspect of their lives. They do rituals to get the desired partner, wealth, health, etc... They look for their own benefit. I am not informed about this religion, that is, as it was in its origins. Perhaps it is a distortion and in its primitive form it has aspects of service to others. I don't know. I knew people who were actively involved in this cult and the observation I made is reflected in the description above. All of this is seen from the outside, from the perspective of those who do not participate in that cult. We don't trust that.
I tell about this because the only antecedent I knew about turning envelopes when I read this thread was what I just wrote about this very widespread Afro cult here, especially in Montevideo.
I remember that at the end of the reading, I turned and I did it with my arms outstretched, the palm of my left hand upwards and my right hand downwards. I turned 99 times at once. At the end of the turn I put my palms together as a kind of prayer at chest height (I turned a lot when I was a child and of course adults did not let do it by the falls and blows and nausea that caused me. As an adult it never occurred to me to do it) I was surprised. I didn't feel any discomfort. When I told my husband (Bernardo) he said: "You have to be careful with that because you don't know what energies you are calling". Precisely because of what I told them, we associate the turns with that activity that is not to our liking, it is evident that it is a kind of "tool" to make way towards other planes. As a portal perhaps? Time went by and I continued to pay attention to this subject. A few nights ago I found another thread where the people of the forum were preparing for a lunar event that has a periodicity of 19 years and everyone talked about the turns. Well, I soon started 3x33 because the C's recommended that way. With more information I did it I think two or three days in a row and the following days I felt that I was more focused, it was a good experience. Now I feel confident and this too I think is important. I choose inspiring music and at the end I recite the prayer of the soul, thank you and offer myself for the service. I will continue experimenting, studying and observing ... In fact I am already taking advantage of this opportunity since it never occurred to me to investigate this religion and I looked for material here I leave this link (Spanish):http://www.ugr.es/~pwlac/_GazetaAntropologia.gif

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duyunne

Jedi Master
En principio, cuando experimenté los giros luego de leer este hilo, sentí un poco de inseguridad por falta de información. En donde vivo hay mucha población afro y tienen ciertos cultos, no sé diferenciarlos porque dentro de su religión también tienen sus variantes. Hay muchísimas personas que participan y su fiesta principal es el día dos de febrero (aquí en uruguay) celebran a una entidad que llaman Iemanja ,diosa madre y protectora y todos los años se congregan a lo largo de la costa de la playa Parque Rodó,para rendir homenaje y hacer sus pedidos y hacer sus ofrendas... Es bastante masivo el encuentro. Jamás entré a alguno de esos lugares que ellos lo llaman "el templo". La persona que dirige esa ceremonia es llamado "El Pae o pai" o " La mae" si es una mujer. Generalmente el llamado "pae" es homosexual porque dicen que se le "incorpora" muy bien una entidad femenina que veneran. Y en sus sesiones hay percusión, cantos,danzas y Giros. Hablan con tipos muertos y también con entidades de más nivel. Según lo observado es un culto que trabaja con fuerzas de servicio a sí mismo. Hacen "trabajos" para que les vaya bien en algún aspecto de sus vidas . Hacen rituales para obtener la pareja deseada, riqueza, salud, etc... Buscan obtener un beneficio propio. No estoy informada sobre esta religión, o sea, como haya sido en sus orígenes. Quizás sea una distorsión y en su forma primitiva tenga aspectos más de servicio a los demás. No lo sé. Conocí personas que estaban involucradas activamente en este culto y la observación que realicé está reflejada en la descripción de más arriba. Todo esto está visto desde afuera, desde la perspectiva de los que no participan de ese culto. Desconfiamos de eso.
Cuento sobre esto porque el único antecedente que conocía sobres giros cuando leí este hilo, era lo que acabo de escribir sobre este culto afro muy extendido aquí, sobretodo en Montevideo .
Recuerdo que al finalizar la lectura , giré y lo hice con los brazos extendidos, la palma de la mano izquierda hacia arriba y la mano derecha hacia abajo. Giré 99 veces de una sola vez. Al terminar el giro puse mis palmas juntas a manera de rezo a la altura del pecho (Giraba mucho cuando era niña y por supuesto que los adultos no dejaban hacerlo por las caídas y golpes y por las náuseas que me provocaba. En edad adulta nunca se me ocurrió hacerlo) Me sorprendió. No sentí molestias. Cuando le conté a mi esposo (Bernardo) el me dijo: " Hay que tener cuidado con eso porque no sabes a qué energías estás llamando". !Justamente por lo que les conté , asociamos los giros con esa actividad que no es de nuestro agrado.Es evidente que es una especie de "herramienta" para abrir paso hacia otros planos. Como un portal quizás? Pasó el tiempo y seguí atenta a este tema. Hace unas noches encontré otro hilo donde las personas del foro se estaban preparando para un evento lunar que tiene una periodicidad de 19 años y todos hablaban sobre los giros. Bueno, prontamente comencé 3x33 porque los C recomendaron esa manera. Con más información lo hice creo que dos o tres días seguidos y los días siguientes sentí que estaba más centrada, fué una buena experiencia. Ahora siento confianza y esto también creo es de importancia. Elijo música inspiradora y al finalizar recito la oración del alma,agradezco y me ofrezco para el servicio. Seguiré experimentando, estudiando y observando ... De hecho ya estoy aprovechando esta oportunidad ya que nunca se me ocurrió investigar sobre esta religión y busqué material aquí dejo este enlace(español) :http://www.ugr.es/~pwlac/_GazetaAntropologia.gif


In principle, when I experienced the twists after reading this thread, I felt a little insecure due to lack of information. Where I live there are many Afro people and they have certain cults, I don't know how to differentiate them because within their religion they also have their variants. There are many people who participate and their main festival is on February 2nd (here in Uruguay) they celebrate an entity they call Iemanja, mother and protector goddess and every year they congregate along the coast of the beach Parque Rodó, to pay homage and make their orders and offerings.... The encounter is quite massive. I never entered any of those places they call "the temple". The person who conducts that ceremony is called "El Pae o pai" or "La mae" if it is a woman. Generally the so-called "pae" is homosexual because they say that it is "incorporated" very well a feminine entity that they worship. And in its sessions there are percussion, chants, dances and Giros. They talk to dead guys and also to higher level entities. As observed it is a cult that works with forces of service to itself. They do "jobs" so that they do well in some aspect of their lives. They do rituals to get the desired partner, wealth, health, etc... They look for their own benefit. I am not informed about this religion, that is, as it was in its origins. Perhaps it is a distortion and in its primitive form it has aspects of service to others. I don't know. I knew people who were actively involved in this cult and the observation I made is reflected in the description above. All of this is seen from the outside, from the perspective of those who do not participate in that cult. We don't trust that.
I tell about this because the only antecedent I knew about turning envelopes when I read this thread was what I just wrote about this very widespread Afro cult here, especially in Montevideo.
I remember that at the end of the reading, I turned and I did it with my arms outstretched, the palm of my left hand upwards and my right hand downwards. I turned 99 times at once. At the end of the turn I put my palms together as a kind of prayer at chest height (I turned a lot when I was a child and of course adults did not let do it by the falls and blows and nausea that caused me. As an adult it never occurred to me to do it) I was surprised. I didn't feel any discomfort. When I told my husband (Bernardo) he said: "You have to be careful with that because you don't know what energies you are calling". Precisely because of what I told them, we associate the turns with that activity that is not to our liking, it is evident that it is a kind of "tool" to make way towards other planes. As a portal perhaps? Time went by and I continued to pay attention to this subject. A few nights ago I found another thread where the people of the forum were preparing for a lunar event that has a periodicity of 19 years and everyone talked about the turns. Well, I soon started 3x33 because the C's recommended that way. With more information I did it I think two or three days in a row and the following days I felt that I was more focused, it was a good experience. Now I feel confident and this too I think is important. I choose inspiring music and at the end I recite the prayer of the soul, thank you and offer myself for the service. I will continue experimenting, studying and observing ... In fact I am already taking advantage of this opportunity since it never occurred to me to investigate this religion and I looked for material here I leave this link (Spanish):http://www.ugr.es/~pwlac/_GazetaAntropologia.gif

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It's interesting you mention that energies are being called from spinning, as this is something I've been thinking about lately when I perform my morning exercises and it's opened me up to finding better control of my thoughts.

I realized as I spin, I'm usually transfixed on people in my life (like family, old/ex friends, work acquaintances, & internet persons) who frustrated me for various reasons and it's uncontrollable, almost like a motor reflex thing that happens when I start to spin.

As I'm going, I think about how I want them to fall from their clouds of ignorance and become more grounded in reality, perhaps we can finally mesh better! Perhaps they could finally understand who I am! etc...

Since becoming more mindful of this 'motor reflex thing that happens when I start to spin' I've been changing the thoughts from being frustrated to blissfully "letting them go". I started to realize that I'm the one who has to fall from said cloud.

Now as I spin and even do the other exercises, I think about events that I wish to experience in my future. Like moving forward with personal or professional projects, or thinking about a possible vacation or trip I've been wanting to take with my family. Sometimes I just think about the beach and underwater swimming.

I'm glad I've been doing this, as I suspected that those feelings and thoughts weren't leading anywhere and that my new ones are.


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Es interesante que mencione que las energías se están llamando desde el giro, ya que esto es algo en lo que he estado pensando últimamente cuando realizo mis ejercicios de la mañana y me ha abierto a encontrar un mejor control de mis pensamientos.


Me di cuenta de que, mientras giraba, usualmente me sentí paralizado con personas de mi vida (como mi familia, viejos amigos, conocidos del trabajo y personas de Internet) que me frustraron por varias razones y es incontrolable, casi como un reflejo del motor que sucede cuando empezar a girar.


Mientras voy, pienso en cómo quiero que caigan de sus nubes de ignorancia y se vuelvan más enraizados en la realidad, ¡tal vez podamos finalmente encajar mejor! ¡Tal vez finalmente puedan entender quién soy! etc ...


Desde que me volví más consciente de este "reflejo motor" que ocurre cuando empiezo a girar, he estado cambiando los pensamientos de estar frustrado a felizmente "dejarlos ir". Comencé a darme cuenta de que soy yo quien tiene que caer de dicha nube.


Ahora, mientras doy vueltas e incluso hago los otros ejercicios, pienso en los eventos que deseo experimentar en mi futuro. Como seguir adelante con proyectos personales o profesionales, o pensar en una posible vacación o viaje que he querido hacer con mi familia. A veces solo pienso en la playa y en nadar bajo el agua.


Me alegro de haber estado haciendo esto, ya que sospechaba que esos sentimientos y pensamientos no conducían a ninguna parte y mis nuevos sentimientos.
 

duyunne

Jedi Master

A Possible Role of Prolonged Whirling Episodes on Structural Plasticity of the Cortical Networks and Altered Vertigo Perception: The Cortex of Sufi Whirling Dervishes

Abstract
Although minutes of a spinning episode may induce vertigo in the healthy human, as a result of a possible perceptional plasticity, Sufi Whirling Dervishes (SWDs) can spin continuously for an hour without a vertigo perception.This unique long term vestibular system stimulation presents a potential human model to clarify the cortical networks underlying the resistance against vertigo. This study, therefore, aimed to investigate the potential structural cortical plasticity in SWDs. Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of 10 SWDs and 10 controls were obtained, using a 3T scanner. Cortical thickness in the whole cortex was calculated. Results demonstrated significantly thinner cortical areas for SWD subjects compared with the control group in the hubs of the default mode network (DMN), as well as in the motion perception and discrimination areas including the right dorsolateral prefrontal cortex (DLPFC), the right lingual gyrus and the left visual area 5 (V5)/middle temporal (MT) and the left fusiform gyrus. In conclusion, this is the first report that warrants the potential relationship of the motion/body perception related cortical networks and the prolonged term of whirling ability without vertigo or dizziness.

Keywords: cortex, whirling, meditation, vertigo, vestibular, plasticity

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The outcomes of the present study may open a new era in the field of vertigo therapy. This is because if whirling based movement achieves inhibition of the self-perception and motion related regions such as left V5/MT, fusiform gyrus, right DLPFC precuneus and PCC and the DMN hub, then this may underline the cortical plasticity for a network of resistance to vertigo perception. Targeting these areas to inhibit by interventional non-invasive brain stimulation tools may achieve maintenance of balance when conditions of extreme spatial and proprioception information occur in addition to pathological conditions that trigger vertigo.
Mood
A possible mood enhancing effect of the defined structurally plastinated cortical areas in the present study is worth to give an attention.
In the theory of mind, the DMN activity as a self-awareness state is correlated with the neuronal representation of mind-wandering (Kjaer and Lou, 2000; Kjaer et al., 2002). This DMN is active at all times except when suppressed by other networks, stimulated by other states, and its activity is correlated with lower levels of Happiness (Killingsworth and Gilbert, 2010; Brewer et al., 2011). Gusnard and Raichle (2001) demonstrated that the goal-directed cognitive process can decrease the activity of precuneus, the core hub of the DMN or mind-wandering network of the brain. Therefore, it is theorized that prolonged periods of goal-directed cognitive processes may decrease the mind-wandering activity in the SWD’s brain because the precuneus activity has been decreased. fMRI data results from the Brewer et al. (2011) study on the DMN of the experienced meditators showed that the DMN main nodes, including medial prefrontal cortex and PCC areas extending to precuneus were relatively deactivated. Further, precuneus and PCC have been observed as thinner and concluded to be so as a response to meditation (Kang et al., 2013). In line with these results, the structural cortical thickness analysis of the two cohorts in this study showed that the experienced SWDs had bilateral thinner PCC and precuneus zones. It can be therefore be theorized that the prolonged period of decreased activity in the PCC and precuneus may result in the thinner zones in the SWDs. As the DMN activity presented thinner in the SWDs, this is likely related to suppressed mind wandering, and as a consequence, this plasticity may improve the happiness level in SWDs. These results justify further studies to clarify the potential effects of SWDs’s unique meditation on their moods and depression levels.
 
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