Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 Crashes in Ukraine

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RT's breaking news in Russian claims, that according to Interfax report, Ukrainian rocket was intended for the Russian "air force one" (Putin coming back from Brazil)
_http://russian.rt.com/article/41332

And now there was another breaking news from Russia 24 TV, that apparently another flight - Russian Aeroflot flight had the same flight path as the Malaysian airlines. That maybe it is connected somehow.

What's for sure, there are going to be myriad of all kind of theories and speculations!
 

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Keit said:
RT's breaking news in Russian claims, that according to Interfax report, Ukrainian rocket was intended for the Russian "air force one" (Putin coming back from Brazil)
_http://russian.rt.com/article/41332

And now there was another breaking news from Russia 24 TV, that apparently another flight - Russian Aeroflot flight had the same flight path as the Malaysian airlines. That maybe it is connected somehow.

What's for sure, there are going to be myriad of all kind of theories and speculations!
The first thing I thought when my roommate let us know the news was that the Ukrainians mistook this plane for a Russian plane and shot it down...
 

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Reuter's is also giving prominence to the idea that 'pro-Russian militants' did it. Towards the end they mention that a rebel leader says Ukraine forces are responsible.

_http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/17/us-ukraine-crisis-airplane-idUSKBN0FM22N20140717

Ukraine says rebels shoot down Malaysian airliner, 295 dead

[A Malaysian airliner was shot down over eastern Ukraine by pro-Russian militants on Thursday, killing all 295 people aboard, a Ukrainian interior ministry official said.

Raising the stakes in the East-West showdown between Kiev and Moscow, the official blamed "terrorists" using a ground-to-air missile and Ukraine's prime minister called the downing of the flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur a "catastrophe".

A Reuters correspondent saw burning wreckage and bodies on the ground at the village of Grabovo, about 40 km (25 miles) from the Russian border in an area where pro-Russian rebels have been active and have claimed to have shot down other aircraft.

The Boeing 777 came down near the city of Donetsk, stronghold of pro-Russian rebels, interior ministry official Anton Gerashchenko said on Facebook, adding it was "shot down with a Buk anti-aircraft system by terrorists" - the term the Kiev government uses for militants seeking to unite eastern Ukraine with Russia. The dead were 280 passengers and 15 crew.

Malaysia Airlines said on its Twitter feed it had lost contact with its flight MH-17 from Amsterdam. "The last known position was over Ukrainian air space," it said.

A rebel leader said Ukrainian forces shot the airliner down. Ukrainian official said their military was not involved.

Interfax-Ukraine quoted another Ukrainian official as saying the plane disappeared from radar when it was flying at 10,000 metres (33,000 feet), a typical cruising altitude for airliners.

Ukraine has accused Russia of taking an active role in the four-month-old conflict in recent days and accused it earlier on Thursday of shooting down a Ukrainian Sukhoi Su-25 fighter jet - an accusation that Moscow denied.

The military commander of the rebels, a Russian named Igor Strelkov, had written on his social media page shortly before the report of the airliner being downed that his forces had brought down an Antonov An-26 in the same area. It is a turboprop transport plane of a type used by Ukraine's forces.
 

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Keit said:
The reporter right now says, that right before entering the Russian territory, the plane started to lose height and then crushed. They don't say anything about him being shut down or anything. But it is confirmed, that all 280 people are dead. Seriously, considering what C's said about the first Malaysia Airlines plane that disappeared, this is just crazy. Couldn't be more obvious than this.

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,34301.msg481380.html#msg481380
Q: (L) You mean they had plans to be more aggressive and “in-their-faces”, and they... (Perceval) Why would the disappearance of the plane make them scared or make them back down? Was it "comedown", was that what was said? Like a retreat. So, basically the PTB backed down on Crimea and Russia and that whole situation because the plane disappeared and they were worried about...? (Pierre) So, if you lie too much, if you create too much chaos, like unjustified war, you might increase such a bleedthrough?

A: They have "advisors" and "interpretors" of such things.

Q: (Pierre) So the advisors said if they go on with the attack, and with lying and manipulating... (L) I don't think they would say that. (Perceval) They wouldn't spell it out. (L) I don't think that they would talk to them in those terms. (Pierre) What would they say? (L) Probably say something like, I dunno... Maybe they have some advisors and interpreters who say, "We did that, and if you don't back down, we're gonna do more!" Ya know, like threatening rather than explaining to them how to be good boys.

A: More or less.

Q: (L) I mean, we would all like to think that there would be some high and mighty power in the world that would tell the psychopaths, "Oh, if you keep creating chaos, you're gonna screw things up! You're a bad boy!" But that's not likely to happen because it would just be, ya know... (Perceval) You get into the idea of different levels of power here. People are doing the whole overt Crimea thing. And they have advisors and maybe they suspect that there's a higher power like the ones that blew up the Columbia space shuttle for Bush and stuff. They ascribe this plane incident to "them", and interpret it in some way like, "Let's back off" kind of thing. Like the way they alluded to this idea that there is a higher power that has vast technology and can influence the American government and its policies for example by sending a warning... So maybe the ones who take note of these things looked at this plane and said, "Maybe this is some kind of message to us."

A: There is likely to be a bit of interdimensional blackmail going on. How likely do you think it is for the "reality creating" US PTB to back down from their natural state of being the world's biggest bully?

Q: (Pierre) Why did those higher entities want the PTB to back down concerning Crimea and Russia?

A: They understand what the consequences are.
Interesting connection. Under this light, and considering that they are already blaming the 'pro-Russians' or Russia itself (i.e. making the conflict worse), plus the fact that they used a Malaysia Airlines plane for this purpose, then it's looking really bad! Because it means that, assuming that the Cs are correct, those who are conspiring to have more and bigger wars know that the Flight 370 incident was supposed to be a warning of sorts for them. But instead they decided to push things even further, in a way that sends a message that they are intentionally trampling over such warning!

Of course I'm just speculating but any way you look at it, it looks very bad.

I was listening to the (French) radio a while ago and they take it for a fact that it was shot down. Although they are still wondering which side did it, I found it interesting that one of their interviewed 'experts' argues that she doesn't see any possible reason for the Ukraine army to shoot down a commercial plane. And of course she completely failed to mention that it makes even less sense for the Russians or separatists to do it knowing that they will be immediately blamed for it by the West!

I think we are witnessing probably the craziest of times on the global scene for at least the last 10 years or so.
 

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http://rt.com/news/173616-malaysian-crash-ukraine-border/

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/17/ukraine-air-force-jet-shot-down-by-russian-plane/

So is this some sub-plot to distract from the global outcry over the Palestinian massacre currently undergoing?
 

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Approaching Infinity said:
Keit said:
RT's breaking news in Russian claims, that according to Interfax report, Ukrainian rocket was intended for the Russian "air force one" (Putin coming back from Brazil)
_http://russian.rt.com/article/41332

And now there was another breaking news from Russia 24 TV, that apparently another flight - Russian Aeroflot flight had the same flight path as the Malaysian airlines. That maybe it is connected somehow.

What's for sure, there are going to be myriad of all kind of theories and speculations!
The first thing I thought when my roommate let us know the news was that the Ukrainians mistook this plane for a Russian plane and shot it down...
If so, then you just got to love the symbol of having shot down a Malaysia Airlines plane instead!
 

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Approaching Infinity said:
The first thing I thought when my roommate let us know the news was that the Ukrainians mistook this plane for a Russian plane and shot it down...
Now the article on Russian RT has more details (nothing on English RT yet). It says, that Interfax's source is someone in Rosaviation. They say that Putin's plane and Malaysia's one were intersecting in the same spot and on the the same echelon. It was near Warsaw on 330 m echelon and height 10100 m. Air force one was there at 16:21 Moscow time, and Malaysia plane at 15:44 Moscow time.

According to the source, the overall shape of the plane is similar, and the coloring from a far is also very similar or practically identical.

If so, another crazy idea, that these weren't Ukrainians, but someone else with inside knowledge and enough ability, and there was "a mistake in identity". And coincidentally, it was another Malaysian Airlines plane, which is indeed highly symbolic in itself! If they indeed "assassinated the wrong guy", then the universe is definitely sending a message.
 

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President Putin's plane might have been the target for Ukrainian missile

Malaysian Airlines MH17 plane was travelling almost the same route as Russia’s President Vladimir Putin’s jet shortly before the crash that killed 295, Interfax news agency reports citing sources.

“I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon. That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters. The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft - 15:44 Moscow time,” a source told the news agency on condition of anonymity.

"The contours of the aircrafts are similar, linear dimensions are also very similar, as for the coloring, at a quite remote distance they are almost identical", the source added.

Flight MH17 crashed in Ukraine on a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpar, and was carrying 295 people.

The passenger plane was expected to enter Russian airspace at 5:20pm local time, but never did, a Russian aviation industry source was cited by Reuters.

“The plane crashed 60km away from the border, the plane had an emergency beacon,” ITAR-TASS cited its source.
_http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/
 

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The Wall Street Journal's report is more or less objective, imo. Although, they provide the Kiev's version first..

Btw, The WSJ also reminds of another commercial plane which was mistakenly shot down by the Ukrainian military in 2001 en route from Israel to Siberia:

In 2001, the Ukrainian military mistakenly shot down a commercial passenger jet that was en route from Tel Aviv to Novosibirsk with a land-to-air missile that was fired during a military exercise. All the 66 passengers and 12 crew members on board the plane were killed in the blast.
 

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Keit said:
Approaching Infinity said:
The first thing I thought when my roommate let us know the news was that the Ukrainians mistook this plane for a Russian plane and shot it down...
Now the article on Russian RT has more details (nothing on English RT yet). It says, that Interfax's source is someone in Rosaviation. They say that Putin's plane and Malaysia's one were intersecting in the same spot and on the the same echelon. It was near Warsaw on 330 m echelon and height 10100 m. Air force one was there at 16:21 Moscow time, and Malaysia plane at 15:44 Moscow time.

According to the source, the overall shape of the plane is similar, and the coloring from a far is also very similar or practically identical.

If so, another crazy idea, that these weren't Ukrainians, but someone else with inside knowledge and enough ability, and there was "a mistake in identity". And coincidentally, it was another Malaysian Airlines plane, which is indeed highly symbolic in itself! If they indeed "assassinated the wrong guy", then the universe is definitely sending a message.
So this would make 2 airplanes flying over a no-fly zone? That just doesn't make sense, and Putin's plane would fly over that zone? Seems highly unlikely.
Will be interesting to see what facts will come out in the next few days.
 

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It seems that the Ukrainian government had this little toy sent to the region just yesterday.

Ukraine’s anti-aircraft missile system dispatched to Donetsk Wednesday

The aircraft at an altitude of over 10,000 meters could be shot down only with the weapons of the S-300 or Buk (Beech) missile systems

MOSCOW, July 17. /ITAR-TASS/. Ukraine’s armed forces dispatched the Buk anti-aircraft missile system battalion to the area of the city of Donetsk on Wednesday, a well-informed source said referring to the data recording system.

Another battalion of the same weapons is said to be in the process of embarkation in the city of Kharkiv, northwest of Donetsk, the source said adding that the aircraft at an altitude of over 10,000 meters could be shot down only with the weapons of the S-300 or Buk (Beech) missile systems.

In the meantime, militias of the self-proclaimed republics of Donetsk and Luhansk have said they do not possess armament systems of this class.

Militias of the self-proclaimed republics in Ukraine's east are not armed with the Buk anti-aircraft missile systems, the press service of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic said in comments on the Ukrainian authorities' statements about a possible involvement of the Donetsk and Luhansk militias to the downing of the Malaysian plane
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741173

From 2001 and later officially admitted years after the event.

Ukraine admits missile may have downed Russian plane in 2001

The Guardian
Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:24 CDT

A Ukrainian official today admitted that his country's military may have mistakenly shot down a Russian commercial airliner over the Black sea last week, killing all 78 people on board.

The announcement by Yevhen Marchuk, the head of the Ukrainian security council and a member of the commission investigating the tragedy, marks the first time that the country has conceded it may be responsible.

"The reason for the crash could be an unintentional hit by an S-200 missile during the Ukrainian air defence exercises," Mr Marchuk told a press conference today, adding that investigators would make their final conclusions after further, complex research.

The Russian chief of the investigative commission, Vladimir Rushailo, said today that the aircraft had been hit by an anti-aircraft missile, the Interfax news agency reported.

Mr Rushailo said: "The Tu-154 flying from Tel Aviv to Novosibirsk crashed because it was hit by the warhead of an anti-aircraft missile." He added that investigators were continuing to examine fragments of the downed plane.

The Russian Tu-154 airliner crashed October 4 off the Black Sea coast, near the Russian city of Sochi, after an explosion on board. All 78 crew and passengers, most of them recent Russian immigrants to Israel, were killed.

Hours after the crash, US officials said that the tragedy had been caused by an S-200 missile fired mistakenly by Ukrainian forces during military exercises on the Crimean peninsula, which juts into the Black sea.

Pressure has been mounting on Ukraine's leadership to take responsibility for the crash. Ukrainian military officials have heatedly denied they were at fault, but the Ukrainian president, Leonid Kuchma, said yesterday that the defence minister, Oleksandr Kuzmuk, had submitted his resignation immediately after the tragedy. The resignation was rejected.

Mr Kuchma today ordered the creation of a Ukrainian commission to look into the causes of the tragedy, together with Russia.

Russian investigators had initially focused on the possibility of a terrorist attack, but officials signalled over the weekend that they were considering the Ukrainian missile theory ever more likely.

On Tuesday, a top investigator, former Soviet air force chief Yevgeny Shaposhnikov, said experts had found fragments resembling the missile's payload at the Black sea crash site.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/12/russia.israel
 

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A very suspicious event!! :O

Keit said:
If so, another crazy idea, that these weren't Ukrainians, but someone else with inside knowledge and enough ability, and there was "a mistake in identity". And coincidentally, it was another Malaysian Airlines plane, which is indeed highly symbolic in itself! If they indeed "assassinated the wrong guy", then the universe is definitely sending a message.
Just speculating here but this quote automatically sparked in my mind the remark made by the C's a long time ago:

A: The situation looks bleak indeed. But remember the Achilles heel of STS: Wishful Thinking.
Q: In this case, how is wishful thinking going to help?
A: There will be a big miscalculation made. It will reveal the "Man behind the curtain."
 

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IncenDiary said:
So is this some sub-plot to distract from the global outcry over the Palestinian massacre currently undergoing?
Oh, good observation, that could very well be.

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Interesting as the flight is being reported as departing from Schiphol airport in Amsterdam which was mentioned numerous times in SOTT talk radio number 73 as being connected with many a faux terror operation including the 'Underwear Bomber', it's security being run by Israeli company ICTS.

Looks like yet another very deep rabbit-hole about to open up....
Interesting indeed, this opens up the possibility of the plane being blown up over that area with a explosive put on board beforehand at the airport.
 

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If it is indeed an assassination attempt on Putin, it's an act of war, which would be a logical continuation of NATO's provocations via the Kiev regime. The timing is interesting because the first world war started a hundred years ago this month.
 

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Here's a video that claims to show the moment of impact:


https://youtu.be/aE9ccsPEkN8

The Guardian has a timeline up here:
_http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/17/malaysia-airlines-plane-crashes-ukraine-live

Where there are a few quotes like:

"Everything rained down in bits and pieces", journalist Noah Sneider tells CNN, quoting a witness who says the plane exploded in mid-air.

"Locals say everything exploded in the air, fell in pieces, both bodies and plane itself. Ppl thought they were being bombed." (a tweet from Noah Sneider)
While you can't see the plane come down, I would think if there was an explosion in the sky as mentioned then there would have been more of a smoke trail or something in the video.
 
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