Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 Crashes in Ukraine

Alejo

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I actually have a feeling that this is somehow related to the new development in BRICS.

Literally founding a brand new global bank of development is a slap in the face to the IMF, Russia deciding to re create ties with Latin America... I don't know but I feel this is more of a..slap on the hand to russia, just my two cents but it might be a tantrum of sorts.
 

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mkrnhr said:
If it is indeed an assassination attempt on Putin, it's an act of war, which would be a logical continuation of NATO's provocations via the Kiev regime. The timing is interesting because the first world war started a hundred years ago this month.
If it is, then it is an extremely 'bold' (more like whacko) move. It means they want war with Russia at all costs. Ukraine cannot possibly do that alone, so they must be counting on NATO's involvement, in which case all bets are open.

In other news, with impeccable timing Netanyahu has just launched a ground operation on Gaza:

http://rt.com/news/173700-netanyuahu-ground-operation-gaza/

:(
 

mabar

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The Mechanic said:
IncenDiary said:
So is this some sub-plot to distract from the global outcry over the Palestinian massacre currently undergoing?
Oh, good observation, that could very well be
Just in RT: Netanyahu orders military to start ground operation in Gaza
_http://rt.com/news/173700-netanyuahu-ground-operation-gaza/ said:
Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has ordered the military to start a ground operation in Gaza, his office has announced.

"The prime minister and defence minister have instructed the IDF to begin a ground operation tonight in order to hit the terror tunnels from Gaza into Israel," the statement said as cited by Reuters.
Added: Sorry Windmill knight did not saw yours
 

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Yes, this incident is really strange. If it may was a warning for Putin there is also this recent happening in Moscow, where the Metro derailed:

http://www.sott.net/article/281944-Another-fatal-derailment-15-killed-over-160-injured-as-Moscow-Metro-carriages-derail-in-rush-hour

Windmill knight said:
mkrnhr said:
If it is indeed an assassination attempt on Putin, it's an act of war, which would be a logical continuation of NATO's provocations via the Kiev regime. The timing is interesting because the first world war started a hundred years ago this month.
If it is, then it is an extremely 'bold' (more like whacko) move. It means they want war with Russia at all costs. Ukraine cannot possibly do that alone, so they must be counting on NATO's involvement, in which case all bets are open.

In other news, with impeccable timing Netanyahu has just launched a ground operation on Gaza:

http://rt.com/news/173700-netanyuahu-ground-operation-gaza/

:(
This is really an impeccable timing :(
 

Rauno

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Sorry.

But RT just lies here about the BUK system.

I already posted a link that says that separatist have that system.

_http://www.pravda.ru/news/world/formerussr/ukraine/29-06-2014/1213991-byk-0/

Why is it not taken down, i wonder, like Donetsk Republic tweet was.

_http://g3.nh.ee/images/pix/file69376075_screen_shot_2014_07_17_at_90710_pm.png

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It seems to me that it was accidental shot-down from separatist side. Why should Ukraine army have air-defence in the region? Why should Ukraine Army shoot any plane that moves from west to east? Did separatist have any planes? Did Ukraine had any planes? Do Ukraine planes move from west to east in the BUK radar screen?

I phoned to my aviation expert friend, who works in the ministery and he said that this area wasn't no-fly zone. Only Crimea was.
 

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Another symbolic coincidence is that today is the anniversary of the 'crash' of TWA Flight 800, which was apparently shot down:

_http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/twa.php
 

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Windmill knight said:
In other news, with impeccable timing Netanyahu has just launched a ground operation on Gaza:

http://rt.com/news/173700-netanyuahu-ground-operation-gaza/

:(
Amazing how it's always the same scenario.

Regarding the 2001 plane, I don't remember exactly since it was so long ago, and the search on SOTT didn't bring anything in particular, but I remember that back then, when Ukraine supposedly shot down the plane that flew from Israel to Novosibirsk we speculated, that maybe there is something to it, something that has to do with bio weapons, or something similar (ethnic weapons maybe?), since on board there were couple of Russian scientists that flew to one of the labs there, etc.
 

mabar

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_http://www.eturbonews.com/48079/ukraine-air-traffic-controller-suggests-kiev-military-shot-down- said:
UKRAINIAN MILLITARY ESCORTED B777 UNTIL 3 MINUTES BEFORE DISAPPEARING
Ukraine air traffic controller suggests Kiev military shot down passenger plane

Jul 17, 2014
ETN received information from an air traffic controller in Kiev on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.

This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board.

The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down.

Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.

Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar.

Radar screen shots also show an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian Boeing. The change of course took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine conflict region.

Some tweets received suggest this may have been a secret military uprising against the current Ukrainian president under the direction of formerly-jailed Prime Minister Timoshenko.

According to other rumors, the black box for this crashed Malaysian Airlines flight was taken by Donetsk separatists. A spokesperson for the rebel group said this black box would be sent to the Interstate Aviation Committee headquartered in Moscow.

The First Deputy Prime Minister of the self-proclaimed People's Republic of Donetsk, Andrew Purgin, stated that the flight recorders of the crashed aircraft will be transferred to Moscow for examination.

Sources say the Rebel group leadership hopes this would confirm the Ukrainian military actually shot down this aircraft. This was reported by the news agency Interfax-Ukraine.

ETN statement: The information in this article is independently confirmed and based on the statement of one airline controller and other tweets received.
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Atomas

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Flight operator in Spain who had led the plane for a period of time before he crashed posted message on his twitter account that he noticed two Ukrainian fight jets near the plane 3 minutes before it crashed.

_twitter.com/spainbuca
 

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Peche said:
A very suspicious event!! :O

Keit said:
If so, another crazy idea, that these weren't Ukrainians, but someone else with inside knowledge and enough ability, and there was "a mistake in identity". And coincidentally, it was another Malaysian Airlines plane, which is indeed highly symbolic in itself! If they indeed "assassinated the wrong guy", then the universe is definitely sending a message.
Just speculating here but this quote automatically sparked in my mind the remark made by the C's a long time ago:

A: The situation looks bleak indeed. But remember the Achilles heel of STS: Wishful Thinking.
Q: In this case, how is wishful thinking going to help?
A: There will be a big miscalculation made. It will reveal the "Man behind the curtain."
Yeah. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

I just got a news alert that Israel has picked this moment to launch a ground invasion into Gaza. Coincidence?
 

c.a.

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Windmill knight said:
mkrnhr said:
If it is indeed an assassination attempt on Putin, it's an act of war, which would be a logical continuation of NATO's provocations via the Kiev regime. The timing is interesting because the first world war started a hundred years ago this month.
If it is, then it is an extremely 'bold' (more like whacko) move. It means they want war with Russia at all costs. Ukraine cannot possibly do that alone, so they must be counting on NATO's involvement, in which case all bets are open.

In other news, with impeccable timing Netanyahu has just launched a ground operation on Gaza:

http://rt.com/news/173700-netanyuahu-ground-operation-gaza/

:(
Yeah timing is everything.

Speculation:
I would think that if it had been sabotaged, that the airport would be the prefect place to loaded a device.

Or if Russian President Putins plane was the intended target (like others have shown) it may have been that Malaysian Airlines MH17 had unitedly picked up signature of a heat seeking missile. Perhaps from the Ukrainian Nazis military jet fighter. They can launch a missile from a jet many miles away without even seeing there target.

Or perhaps a high altitude drone which are capable of operating at heights of 6500 ft., and beyond the thresholds of space.
Brought to you by the rouge elements of the shadow government.

There stating that it had very large debris field, if true that (like others have mentioned) there would have been a smoke streak all the way down the ground.
Ussa CBS's : version
WATCH: Undamaged passports from MH17 burning wreckage
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHG5p2Y0Q4g

Schizoid never misses an opportunity to stir the pot.
P-O Addresses Malaysian Plane Crash 7/17/2014
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2oa0U0A5_w

I would think that this aircraft would be outfitted with the most advanced defensive equipment to denture any possible attacks upon it.
But there is no information, and would think that would be top secret.
Vladimir Putin Air Force One Russia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzoX7wX4-c4

It's all just one big hair ball.

(edit word placement)
 

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Atomas

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Security Services of Ukraine uploaded a "call recording" of "terrorists" from Southeastern Ukraine with an aim to prove that the plane was shot down by separatists:
_youtube.com/watch?v=V5E8kDo2n6g
I guess we will know soon whether the call recording is authentic...

Also, 30 Min before the crash Ukrainian President did hold a meeting of National Security Council after which he reported that terrorists have advanced weapons which allow shooting down planes at high altitudes. Coincidence?
 

Rauno

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Atomas said:
Flight operator in Spain who had led the plane for a period of time before he crashed posted message on his twitter account that he noticed two Ukrainian fight jets near the plane 3 minutes before it crashed.

_twitter.com/spainbuca
I would change my mind and conclude that it was an attempt from Ukrainian / "Western" side to blame separatists, if this spanish ATC were right, with his information. Good piece indeed! Thanks.

Only this doesn't erase the fact that separatist leaders were informing about shot-down plane, just at the moment the 777 was gone. Now their tweets are gone.

http://g3.nh.ee/images/pix/file69376139_imakn3h_1.jpg

Of course, this is significant information only for russian speakers.

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And now we have a video from Ukrainian side, about vinavat or whom to blame. Doesn't of course prove anything. But information war is about side-choosing and saturating yourself with an information that confirms your already chosen side.

:)
 

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CorpusCallosum said:
Only this doesn't erase the fact that separatist leaders were informing about shot-down plane, just at the moment the 777 was gone. Now their tweets are gone.

http://g3.nh.ee/images/pix/file69376139_imakn3h_1.jpg

Of course, this is significant information only for russian speakers.
The rebels allegedly shot down a jet: http://www.sott.net/article/282107-More-chaos-in-the-skies-Ukraine-Air-Force-jet-allegedly-shot-down-by-Russian-plane

Could this be the plane to which they were referring?
 
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