Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 Crashes in Ukraine
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c.a. said:
Interesting choice of words from Obama there...
Obama said:
Isn't it interesting that Obama is not using the well known rhetoric "was shut down, what a discusting act, those responsible will/should be held accountable in any way necessary (aka. military, bombing, war... whatever)."
So why did "he" not choose this route this time?? Because he/they are sane and don't want to risk a escalation with russia? I doubt it...
Maybe something went terribly wrong "with that plan" (if it was one) and it would be to risky for them to continue as planned because "the man behind the curtain" could be revealed?
I dunno... I just find the reaction quite interesting...
Minas Tirith
Jedi Council Member
c.a. said:
I saw these passports on CNN and they were not only undamaged, but looked like coming straight out of the printing press. This is all very weird. Malaysian Airlines - 777 - Might it be that the missing plane had reappeared?
M.T.
I don't think it's the missing Malaysian flight. This was a plane that was being guided by air traffic control. It was on radar up to a few minutes before crashing. We have a list of the nationalities of all people on board. This wasn't a plane that no one knew where it came from. Even if it was the missing plane, there'd still be bodies, right? It wouldn't be an empty plane.
Ocean
The Living Force
I found this :-
_http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/separatists-admit-downing-a-civilian-plane-in-tapped-conversation-full-transcript-356545.html
SBU intercepts phone conversations of separatists admitting downing a civilian plane (FULL TRANSCRIPT; VIDEO)
Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200 flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was allegedly shot down by a group of Russian-backed Cossack militants near the village of Chornukhine, Luhansk Oblast, some 80 kilometers north-west of Donetsk, according to recordings of intercepted phone calls between Russian military intelligence officers and members of terrorist groups, released by the country’s security agency (SBU).
One phone call apparently was made at 4:40 p.m. Kyiv time, or 20 minutes after the plane crash, by Igor Bezler, who the SBU says is a Russian military intelligence officer and leading commander of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic. He reports to a person identified by Ukraine’s SBU as a colonel in the main intelligence department of the general headquarters of the armed forces of the Russian Federation Vasili Geranin regarding the shot down plane, which is about to be examined by the militants.
The second intercepted conversation released by the Security Service of Ukraine was apparently between militants nicknamed “Major” and “Greek” immediately upon inspection of the crash site.
“It’s 100 percent a passenger (civilian) aircraft,” Major is recorded as saying, as he admitted to seeing no weapons on site. “Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper.”
In the third part of conversation Cossack commander Nikolay Kozitsin talking to an unidentified militant cynically suggests that the Malaysia Airlines airplane could've been carrying spies, as, otherwise, it would have no business flying in that area.
Read the full transcript of an intercepted phone call below:
Igor Bezler: We have just shot down a plane. Group Minera. It fell down beyond Yenakievo (Donetsk Oblast).
Vasili Geranin: Pilots. Where are the pilots?
IB: Gone to search for and photograph the plane. Its smoking.
VG: How many minutes ago?
IB: About 30 minutes ago.
SBU comment: After examining the site of the plane the terrorists come to the conclusion that they have shot down a civilian plane. The next part of the conversation took place about 40 minutes later.
“Major”: These are Chernukhin folks who shot down the plane. From the Chernukhin check point. Those cossacks who are based in Chernukhino.
“Grek”: Yes, Major.
"Major": The plane fell apart in the air. In the area of Petropavlovskaya mine. The first “200” (code word for dead person). We have found the first “200”. A Civilian.
“Greek”: Well, what do you have there?
“Major”: In short, it was 100 percent a passenger (civilian) aircraft.
“Greek”: Are many people there?
“Major”: Holy sh__t! The debris fell right into the yards (of homes).
“Greek”: What kind of aircraft?
“Major”: I haven’t ascertained this. I haven’t been to the main sight. I am only surveying the scene where the first bodies fell. There are the remains of internal brackets, seats and bodies.
“Greek”: Is there anything left of the weapon?
“Major”: Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper.
“Greek”: Are there documents?
“Major”: Yes, of one Indonesian student. From a university in Thompson.
Militant: Regarding the plane shot down in the area of Snizhne-Torez. It’s a civilian one. Fell down near Grabove. There are lots of corpses of women and children. The Cossacks are out there looking at all this.
They say on TV it’s AN-26 transport plane, but they say it’s written Malaysia Airlines on the plane. What was it doing on Ukraine’s territory?
Nikolay Kozitsin: That means they were carrying spies. They shouldn’t be f…cking flying. There is a war going on.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/V5E8kDo2n6g
_http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/separatists-admit-downing-a-civilian-plane-in-tapped-conversation-full-transcript-356545.html
SBU intercepts phone conversations of separatists admitting downing a civilian plane (FULL TRANSCRIPT; VIDEO)
Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200 flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was allegedly shot down by a group of Russian-backed Cossack militants near the village of Chornukhine, Luhansk Oblast, some 80 kilometers north-west of Donetsk, according to recordings of intercepted phone calls between Russian military intelligence officers and members of terrorist groups, released by the country’s security agency (SBU).
One phone call apparently was made at 4:40 p.m. Kyiv time, or 20 minutes after the plane crash, by Igor Bezler, who the SBU says is a Russian military intelligence officer and leading commander of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic. He reports to a person identified by Ukraine’s SBU as a colonel in the main intelligence department of the general headquarters of the armed forces of the Russian Federation Vasili Geranin regarding the shot down plane, which is about to be examined by the militants.
The second intercepted conversation released by the Security Service of Ukraine was apparently between militants nicknamed “Major” and “Greek” immediately upon inspection of the crash site.
“It’s 100 percent a passenger (civilian) aircraft,” Major is recorded as saying, as he admitted to seeing no weapons on site. “Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper.”
In the third part of conversation Cossack commander Nikolay Kozitsin talking to an unidentified militant cynically suggests that the Malaysia Airlines airplane could've been carrying spies, as, otherwise, it would have no business flying in that area.
Read the full transcript of an intercepted phone call below:
Igor Bezler: We have just shot down a plane. Group Minera. It fell down beyond Yenakievo (Donetsk Oblast).
Vasili Geranin: Pilots. Where are the pilots?
IB: Gone to search for and photograph the plane. Its smoking.
VG: How many minutes ago?
IB: About 30 minutes ago.
SBU comment: After examining the site of the plane the terrorists come to the conclusion that they have shot down a civilian plane. The next part of the conversation took place about 40 minutes later.
“Major”: These are Chernukhin folks who shot down the plane. From the Chernukhin check point. Those cossacks who are based in Chernukhino.
“Grek”: Yes, Major.
"Major": The plane fell apart in the air. In the area of Petropavlovskaya mine. The first “200” (code word for dead person). We have found the first “200”. A Civilian.
“Greek”: Well, what do you have there?
“Major”: In short, it was 100 percent a passenger (civilian) aircraft.
“Greek”: Are many people there?
“Major”: Holy sh__t! The debris fell right into the yards (of homes).
“Greek”: What kind of aircraft?
“Major”: I haven’t ascertained this. I haven’t been to the main sight. I am only surveying the scene where the first bodies fell. There are the remains of internal brackets, seats and bodies.
“Greek”: Is there anything left of the weapon?
“Major”: Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper.
“Greek”: Are there documents?
“Major”: Yes, of one Indonesian student. From a university in Thompson.
Militant: Regarding the plane shot down in the area of Snizhne-Torez. It’s a civilian one. Fell down near Grabove. There are lots of corpses of women and children. The Cossacks are out there looking at all this.
They say on TV it’s AN-26 transport plane, but they say it’s written Malaysia Airlines on the plane. What was it doing on Ukraine’s territory?
Nikolay Kozitsin: That means they were carrying spies. They shouldn’t be f…cking flying. There is a war going on.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/V5E8kDo2n6g
Couldn't see the video, it has been annulled by the owner, so it says.c.a. said:
Regarding victims, they are blurred/pixelated, this time for respect? ... in other times, news sites do not seem to respect much?
Found one image with a victim, the picture with the firefighter at right side, in RT _http://rt.com/news/173644-photos-plane-malaysia-crash/, another couple more: _http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/malaysia-airlines-plane-crash-boeing-jet-carrying-295-people-crashes-in-ukraine-9612882.html, non pixelated, but "an apparent victim"?? says the footnote: _http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/805151-malaysia-airlines-mh17-photos-pictures-purportedly-of-plane-that-was-shot-down-over-ukraine/
Atomas
Jedi
Minas Tirith said:
The video was removed.
If the jet was shot down at 10km altitude and this is why according to reports bodies and the debris are scattered across an area up to about 15 km in diameter, I don't think that everything, including passengers passports, must have been destroyed instantly at the time the rocket hit the jet. Or am I missing something here?
The Mechanic
Jedi Council Member
Dutch msm is having a night long tv broadcast, slowly moving, blaming Russian separatist forces, no proof but "everything points towards" them.
Interestingly on the topic of those BUK air-defence systems, on http://rt.com/news/173636-buk-malaysian-plane-crash/ it states this:
(bold emphasis mine)
Interestingly on the topic of those BUK air-defence systems, on http://rt.com/news/173636-buk-malaysian-plane-crash/ it states this:
(bold emphasis mine)
Everyone is aware of the months-long anti-Russian propaganda campaign by the US and EU governments. The latest effort in that campaign can be seen in this headline, which is one of many on the same theme coming out of the Western media:
"Britain calls for UN Security Council meeting over Flight MH17 as pressure mounts on Putin over 'arming rebels' in Ukraine"
Am I saying that agents of Western governments are responsible for the deliberate shooting down of Flight MH17 as part of their 'asymmetric warfare' against Russia and its reemergence as a major power on the world stage in opposition to the American Empire and its puppets?
Damn right I am. That's how the psychopaths roll. It's pathetic, they are getting extremely desperate to pull off a horrible stunt like this.
"Britain calls for UN Security Council meeting over Flight MH17 as pressure mounts on Putin over 'arming rebels' in Ukraine"
Am I saying that agents of Western governments are responsible for the deliberate shooting down of Flight MH17 as part of their 'asymmetric warfare' against Russia and its reemergence as a major power on the world stage in opposition to the American Empire and its puppets?
Damn right I am. That's how the psychopaths roll. It's pathetic, they are getting extremely desperate to pull off a horrible stunt like this.
I do find this latest plane incident very suspicious especially considering that it happened exactly at the same time of Israel's offensive on the Gaza strip following the extremely controversial bombings that have been taking place during the last week. It could of course just be coincidence and more symbolical in nature but it does make one wonder if there is an attempt to divert the attention from the atrocities happening in Palestine and possibly also bringing back the pressure on Russia to keep them from intervening in any way over the latest developments in the Middle East.
