Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 Crashes in Ukraine

Anthony said:
5. The working hypothesis therefore is that the junta's forces shot the airliner down. There will now be an
investigation which ought to be run by the Malaysians. Apparently the NAF is cooperating fully with them and is
doing what it can to retrieve and hand over the flight recorder and black box. Hopefully we should have some
clarity about this incident soon enough.

I'm not holding my breath - mainly because the expert panel investigating the incident will most likely be heavily western. There is usually at least one guy from the FAA (or NTSB), one or more from the manufacturer (Boeing), some from ICAO (whatever nationality they are, but western based) and maybe, but just maybe, someone from the Russian side. The investigation will most probably "find out" that it was either the Russians or the "separatists", more so, if it was a deliberate attack.

Apparently the black box has been handed over to the Russians (which I think is unconfirmed), but if that is true, the West will cry foul and demand that the black box is handed over to them.
 
Alana said:
I am reading the Guardian updates. Both the Ukrainian military and the pro-Russian freedom fighters deny shooting down the plane.

And a third fraction - NATO's provocations via the Kiev regime

In Reply #37 by Mabar :

Quote from: _http://www.eturbonews.com/48079/ukraine-air-traffic-controller-suggests-kiev-military-shot-down-

UKRAINIAN MILLITARY ESCORTED B777 UNTIL 3 MINUTES BEFORE DISAPPEARING
Ukraine air traffic controller suggests Kiev military shot down passenger plane

Jul 17, 2014
ETN received information from an air traffic controller in Kiev on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.

This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board.

The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down.

Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.

Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar.

Radar screen shots also show an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian Boeing. The change of course took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine conflict region.


According to other rumors, the black box for this crashed Malaysian Airlines flight was taken by Donetsk separatists. A spokesperson for the rebel group said this black box would be sent to the Interstate Aviation Committee headquartered in Moscow.

The First Deputy Prime Minister of the self-proclaimed People's Republic of Donetsk, Andrew Purgin, stated that the flight recorders of the crashed aircraft will be transferred to Moscow for examination. (End quote).



Could it be assumed - that the Kiev/NATO junta organized the circumstances which brought this Malaysian flight down, sacrificing 295 lives by the Kiev/NATO military moving its BUK missile systems into the area surrounding Donetsk on Wednesday, one day before the Malaysian flight was shot down? The two Ukrainian fighter jets that escorted the Malaysian Airlines - were used to take over control of the plane - steering it over Eastern Ukraine in a No Flight Zone - where the BUK missile system was already set up to shoot it down - in a desperate move to blame and provoke Putin?

6 Reasons To Question the Official Story of the Malaysian Flight Over Ukraine
_http://www.activistpost.com/2014/07/6-reasons-to-question-official-story-of.html#!bg8Ncm

With the recent shooting down of a Malaysian Boeing 777 over Ukraine, the Western media is aflame with fingerpointing at Russia and Ukrainian separatists. However, while NATO and its media mouthpieces attempt to rekindle the Cold War and ignite a confrontation with Russia, there exists a number of fundamental questions surrounding the events that have taken place in Eastern Ukraine.

Although not a detailed list, below are six reasons why one should question the official story of the Malaysian flight shot down over Ukraine.


1.) The Ukrainian separatists do not have the military hardware capable of shooting down an airplane at the height at which the Malaysian Boeing 777 was flying.

Ukrainian separatists are equipped with shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles which are capable of bringing down an airplane. This much is true. However, the systems believed to be possessed by the separatists are those such as the Igla missile system, which is incapable of hitting planes at the altitudes at which the Malaysian flight was flying. 33,000 feet is simply too high an altitude to be reached with the shoulder-fired missile delivery systems with which the Ukrainian separatists are currently outfitted.

There is no evidence to suggest that the separatists possess the BUK missile systems. At the time of the writing, this writer is not aware of any reports suggesting that separatists commandeered BUK missile launching systems from the Kiev fascist government forces; the only way they could have acquired them unless given the BUK by Russia, which itself is highly unlikely given Russian strategic concerns.

2.) The Kiev forces do have the BUK missile launching system.

While separatist forces are not known to possess missile systems as advanced as the BUK system, the Kiev forces most certainly do.

The BUK system, which requires transportation and mounting on a tracked vehicle or large truck, is not likely to be in the hands of rebels surviving on Russian small arms and other basic forms of military and tactical aid. BUK is much more the type of system that would be property of a national government.

If the Malaysian plane was shot down using the BUK system, it is the Kiev military forces that should immediately be investigated.

3.) Kiev moved its BUK system to the Donetsk area the day before

Reports emerging from Russian news agencies like ITAR-TASS suggest that the Kiev military moved its BUK missile systems into the area surrounding Donetsk on Wednesday, one day before the Malaysian flight was shot down allegedly using that very missile launching system.

The fact that the type of missiles allegedly used to shoot down the Malaysian flight were not only possessed by the Ukrainian military but moved to the very region and area where the shootdown occurred implicates the Kiev forces vastly more than it does the Russians or the Ukrainian separatists.

4.) The questions surrounding why the Malaysian flight was flying over the area to begin with.

As reported by The Atlantic, the Federal Aviation Administration placed an order prohibiting “American pilots, airlines, charter carriers, and everyone else over whom the FAA has direct jurisdiction, from flying over parts of Ukraine” nearly three months ago.

This flight prohibition clearly demonstrates that aviation authorities fully understood that this particular flight path was over a dangerous area. So why was the Malaysian flight flying over this area to begin with?

5.) The timing of the event.

The shooting down of the Malaysian flight conveniently comes only a day after claims by the Ukrainian military that Russia shot down a Ukrainian jet fighter over Ukrainian territory.

It also comes only days after the Western media seized on reports suggesting that the Russian government was considering targeted strikes inside Ukraine in order to protect the Ukrainian people, ethnic Russians, and Russian interests.

Lastly, it comes only hours after the United States issues a statement announcing yet another round of sanctions against Russia.

6.) ANOTHER Malaysian 777.

The fact that the flight shot down over Ukraine is the same type of flight that went missing over the Indian ocean only months before is a highly questionable coincidence. Such a coincidence is almost too big to be believed.

Given the track record of the United States, NATO, and governments in general throughout history, one must at least wonder whether or not the recent shootdown of the Malaysian flight over Ukraine was not simply a false flag designed to drum up national fervor and a new Cold War ultimately leading to a confrontation with Russia.

It is important for the Western public and the rest of the world to become more streetwise regarding incidents such as the Malaysian flight and that they immediately cease to accept an entirely discredited government and media’s explanations as truth.
 
zh said:
This is really shocking news. I wonder what is the symbolic message behind this. Just a week ago our exPM released a book "TPPA: Malaysia not for sale".Also Malaysia is quite vocal in supporting the Palestine.

That would be a good reason for Kolomoisky, the Ukrainian oligarch, who is a staunch supporter of Israel and who has been very vocal in wanting to exterminate the resistance movement in the S.E of UKraine, to "kill " at least four birds in one go:

1) to create a call for a ceasefire, which Kiev badly needs to reorganize after having suffered big time in the Southern Cauldron of Ukraine
2) to blame Russia once again and isolate it.
3) to overshadow the onslaught and ground assualt in Gaza
4) to create a hot war with western involvement, something the US badly needs to rescue the economy.

Did the Ukrainian fighter jets guide the Malaysian plane over the war zone, so it could reasonably be blamed on the resistance fighters and by proxy Russia?
 
What is really, really strange is that this airplane is from air Malaysia . This is really amazing. :huh: Is it the same type of plane that the one that disappeared? Same model?
 
loreta said:
What is really, really strange is that this airplane is from air Malaysia . This is really amazing. :huh: Is it the same type of plane that the one that disappeared? Same model?
Yes, both planes were Boeing 777-200ER.
 
Tomek said:
loreta said:
What is really, really strange is that this airplane is from air Malaysia . This is really amazing. :huh: Is it the same type of plane that the one that disappeared? Same model?
Yes, both planes were Boeing 777-200ER.

Thanks Tomek. So now this is strange... So if I was a detective my nose would start to smell an interesting clue.
 
loreta said:
What is really, really strange is that this airplane is from air Malaysia . This is really amazing. :huh: Is it the same type of plane that the one that disappeared? Same model?

Same model - Boeing 777-200ER:
Tail number of MH370: 9M-MRO
Tail number of MH17: 9M-MRD

Aircraft details for MH370 (from Wikipedia):
Flight 370 was operated with a Boeing 777-2H6ER,[e] serial number 28420, registration 9M-MRO. The 404th Boeing 777 produced,[197] it first flew on 14 May 2002, and was delivered new to Malaysia Airlines on 31 May 2002. The aircraft was powered by two Rolls-Royce Trent 892 engines,[197] and configured to carry 282 passengers.[198] 9M-MRO had accumulated 53,460 hours and 7,525 cycles in service,[199] and had not previously been involved in any major incidents,[200] though a minor incident while taxiing at Shanghai Pudong International Airport in August 2012 resulted in a broken wingtip.[201][202] Its last maintenance 'A' check was carried out on 23 February 2014.[199]

Aircraft details for MH17 (from airfleets.net):
Serial number 28411 LN:84
Type 777-2H6ER
First flight date 17/07/1997
Plane age 17 years
Seat configuration C35 Y247
Engines 2 x RR Trent 892

I don't see how the two crashes could be related, even though it is the exact same model and type (MH17 was five years older).
 
A piece.

_http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/mh17.html

"MH17 filed a flight plan requesting to fly at 35,000ft throughout Ukrainian airspace. This is close to the ‘optimum’ altitude.

However, an aircraft’s altitude in flight is determined by air traffic control on the ground. Upon entering Ukrainian airspace, MH17 was instructed by Ukrainian air traffic control to fly at 33,000ft."
 
nicklebleu said:
I don't see how the two crashes could be related, even though it is the exact same model and type (MH17 was five years older).
On a symbolic point of view, I don't see how the two crashes could NOT be related.
 
Aeneas said:
zh said:
This is really shocking news. I wonder what is the symbolic message behind this. Just a week ago our exPM released a book "TPPA: Malaysia not for sale".Also Malaysia is quite vocal in supporting the Palestine.

That would be a good reason for Kolomoisky, the Ukrainian oligarch, who is a staunch supporter of Israel and who has been very vocal in wanting to exterminate the resistance movement in the S.E of UKraine, to "kill " at least four birds in one go:

1) to create a call for a ceasefire, which Kiev badly needs to reorganize after having suffered big time in the Southern Cauldron of Ukraine
2) to blame Russia once again and isolate it.
3) to overshadow the onslaught and ground assualt in Gaza
4) to create a hot war with western involvement, something the US badly needs to rescue the economy.

Did the Ukrainian fighter jets guide the Malaysian plane over the war zone, so it could reasonably be blamed on the resistance fighters and by proxy Russia?

Those are my thoughts exactly, after spending the better part of my reading on this today. Still too soon to get all the data, but it sure stinks to high heaven. The Ukie Nazis were really taking a pounding the last couple of days from the Resistance, and now this - I'm hoping they won't be able to change the momentum of the the Nazis fleeing the area along the border in panic. And yeah, the symbolism is very interesting too.
 
nicklebleu said:
loreta said:
What is really, really strange is that this airplane is from air Malaysia . This is really amazing. :huh: Is it the same type of plane that the one that disappeared? Same model?

Same model - Boeing 777-200ER:
Tail number of MH370: 9M-MRO
Tail number of MH17: 9M-MRD

Aircraft details for MH370 (from Wikipedia):
Flight 370 was operated with a Boeing 777-2H6ER,[e] serial number 28420, registration 9M-MRO. The 404th Boeing 777 produced,[197] it first flew on 14 May 2002, and was delivered new to Malaysia Airlines on 31 May 2002. The aircraft was powered by two Rolls-Royce Trent 892 engines,[197] and configured to carry 282 passengers.[198] 9M-MRO had accumulated 53,460 hours and 7,525 cycles in service,[199] and had not previously been involved in any major incidents,[200] though a minor incident while taxiing at Shanghai Pudong International Airport in August 2012 resulted in a broken wingtip.[201][202] Its last maintenance 'A' check was carried out on 23 February 2014.[199]

Aircraft details for MH17 (from airfleets.net):
Serial number 28411 LN:84
Type 777-2H6ER
First flight date 17/07/1997
Plane age 17 years
Seat configuration C35 Y247
Engines 2 x RR Trent 892

I don't see how the two crashes could be related, even though it is the exact same model and type (MH17 was five years older).

Tomek said:
nicklebleu said:
I don't see how the two crashes could be related, even though it is the exact same model and type (MH17 was five years older).
On a symbolic point of view, I don't see how the two crashes could NOT be related.

Pretty agree with this, because as noticed above in the nicklebleu comment, all these "17" are highly symbolic to me, even if I do not have clues or ideas to explain it.

Tail Number: MH17
First flight: 17/07/1997
Last flight: 17/07/2014
Plane age: 17
2014= 17

Without forget that the time of the crash was around 17:30 pm

Just a thought...

edit: Bolded part
edit2: Added Time of crash
 
Right now there is a live broadcast on RT from the security council meeting about what ever happened in Ukraine. And UK is definitely making its case, that it's Russia behind it, not to mention US. Here's the link:
_http://rt.com/on-air/un-ukraine-malaysia-crash/

Before that, I also listened to one of the economic analysts on Russia 24, and he said, that it's clear that it was a deliberate setup by the US, in order to destabilize the situation even further, and finally isolate Europe from Russia, since it didn't work through sanctions and politics. What was interesting, that the analyst also mentioned Israel and its attack on Gaza, and how in Israel's case there are always double standards applied, and how they can "accidentally" kill children without any repercussions.

Added: After listening to more countries speaking, except for China (so far) they are all supporting "the separatists did it" theory. Wonder what Russia will have to say. Also wonder if Israel is going to speak, and if it will have the audacity to criticize Russia. The security council is probably going to bury Russia. Fools. :mad:
 
Video hosting provider YouTube captures a time when video is being uploaded onto site in American time. The difference between Kyiv and US time is from 7 to 11 (All times Alaska). In regards to uploaded file by SBU the difference is 21 hours between file upload and jet crash. It turns out that the file was uploaded to the video hosting not less than half a day before the tragedy.

-http://rusvesna.su/news/1405689523

I'm wonderring how they are going to react to that.
 
MK Scarlett said:
nicklebleu said:
loreta said:
What is really, really strange is that this airplane is from air Malaysia . This is really amazing. :huh: Is it the same type of plane that the one that disappeared? Same model?

Same model - Boeing 777-200ER:
Tail number of MH370: 9M-MRO
Tail number of MH17: 9M-MRD

Aircraft details for MH370 (from Wikipedia):
Flight 370 was operated with a Boeing 777-2H6ER,[e] serial number 28420, registration 9M-MRO. The 404th Boeing 777 produced,[197] it first flew on 14 May 2002, and was delivered new to Malaysia Airlines on 31 May 2002. The aircraft was powered by two Rolls-Royce Trent 892 engines,[197] and configured to carry 282 passengers.[198] 9M-MRO had accumulated 53,460 hours and 7,525 cycles in service,[199] and had not previously been involved in any major incidents,[200] though a minor incident while taxiing at Shanghai Pudong International Airport in August 2012 resulted in a broken wingtip.[201][202] Its last maintenance 'A' check was carried out on 23 February 2014.[199]

Aircraft details for MH17 (from airfleets.net):
Serial number 28411 LN:84
Type 777-2H6ER
First flight date 17/07/1997
Plane age 17 years
Seat configuration C35 Y247
Engines 2 x RR Trent 892

I don't see how the two crashes could be related, even though it is the exact same model and type (MH17 was five years older).

Tomek said:
nicklebleu said:
I don't see how the two crashes could be related, even though it is the exact same model and type (MH17 was five years older).
On a symbolic point of view, I don't see how the two crashes could NOT be related.

Pretty agree with this, because as noticed above in the nicklebleu comment, all these "17" are highly symbolic to me, even if I do not have clues or ideas to explain it.

Tail Number: MH17
First flight: 17/07/1997
Last flight: 17/07/2014
Plane age: 17
2014= 17

Without forget that the time of the crash was around 17:30 pm

Just a thought...

edit: Bolded part
edit2: Added Time of crash

I am wondering if there are certain "frequency windows" of opportunity. This could apply if the events in the Ukraine is attracting some kind of cosmic reaction. But the reaction may have a resonance profile that matches with the that type of plane. From a logical perspective I know it sounds weird but energetically speaking it may not be so weird. I guess the same could be said if it was the result of density bleed through as was the case with the original Malaysia Airways plane that crossed densities. For some reason there's something about Malaysia or Malaysian Airlines that makes it resonate with frequency profile of the interference.

It might also be the situation that there's also a war going on at higher densities where the STS forces would like nothing more than to eliminate Putin from the world scene and the STO forces would like to keep him. So if the STS forces set some kind of attack in motion maybe all the STO forces could do was to transfer that attack to the Malaysian Airlines plane. I do realise that it seems harsh to sacrifice innocent civilians but in a global balancing perspective it may still be better than losing Putin as a counter weight to the psychopathic regimes of the west.

Just some thoughts.
 
The US Prez is spewing his bs now. "We don't have time for games." - Obama :headbash:


_http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/cvptve/cvpstream1.html
 

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