Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 Crashes in Ukraine

Keit said:
Before that, I also listened to one of the economic analysts on Russia 24, and he said, that it's clear that it was a deliberate setup by the US, in order to destabilize the situation even further, and finally isolate Europe from Russia, since it didn't work through sanctions and politics. What was interesting, that the analyst also mentioned Israel and its attack on Gaza, and how in Israel's case there are always double standards applied, and how they can "accidentally" kill children without any repercussions.

Yes, I also watched it. Aleksandr Kareyevsky (the analyst), right? He is among the best Russia 24 experts, always very reasonable.

Another Russia 24's expert has also just explained why the SE resistance couldn't use such weapons as S-300 or Buk (they simply are unfamiliar with such complex system and do not have special teams to utilize it, and they don't need such weapons, men-portable air defence is enough for them).

Also, not sure if it has been mentioned, but it seems that even Kiev officials admit that the resistance didn't have those weapons:

MOSCOW, July 18 (RIA Novosti) – Independence supporters in the southeast of Ukraine have not captured Ukrainian anti-aircraft missiles, Ukrainian Prosecutor General Vitaly Yarema said Friday.

"After the passenger plane was shot down, the military reported to the president that the terrorists don’t have our missile systems Buk and S-300. Nobody captured these weapons," Yarema said in an interview to Ukrayinska Pravda online newspaper.

http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20140718/191008356/Independence-Supporters-Dont-Have-Ukrainian-Anti-Aircraft.html
 
This morning I learned that a male acquaintance from my parents was on board of the plane. They met in Bali where both the man and my parent have a house (we are Dutch but with an Indonesian background) I met the man in 2006 when he spent some time In the Netherlands.

It's just kind of bizarre to know that a person I've met is now killed of this cr*ap in the world caused by psychopaths.
 
Siberia said:
Yes, I also watched it. Aleksandr Kareyevsky (the analyst), right? He is among the best Russia 24 experts, always very reasonable.

Yeah, that's him. And I agree, very reasonable. Don't know if you saw that one, but later they talked with another expert, where they showed pictures of the wreckage and talked how the holes look like holes that were made by "air-to-air" missiles, and not "surface-to-air" ones. They also mentioned whitnesses, that supposedly saw other planes following the Malaysia Ailines. On the other hand, this expert said, that at this height (over 10 km) it's not possible to see anything more than plane's contrail, so witnesses account is questionable.
 
From globalresearch, more from Carlos twitts, at the end there is an image in the website with three twitts from Carlos, same that I saw in the first site in spanish.


_http://www.globalresearch.ca/spanish-air-controller-kiev-borispol-airport-ukraine-military-shot-down-boeing-mh17/5391888 said:
Spanish Air Controller @ Kiev Borispol Airport: Ukraine Military Shot Down Boeing MH#17

By Global Research News
Global Research, July 18, 2014
slavyangrad.wordpress.com

The Boeing-777 of the Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur “disappeared from the radars and crashed on Thursday evening near Grabovo in Ukraine’s Donetsk oblast

We bring to the attention of GR readers, the following timeline Tweets by the Spanish Air controller at Kiev Borisopol Airport.

This report has yet to be fully corroborated and should be read with caution. We have highlighted relevant sections.

There was an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian MH17 flight which took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine warzone.

The Spanish air controller confirms a conflict between the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of the Interior intimating that the order concerning the downing of the aircraft came from the Ministry of the Interior, which is dominated by Svoboda and Right Sector.

He also said that the MH17 flight was escorted by Ukrainian fighter jets minutes before it was downed. It is worth noting that the presence of the Ukraine fighter jets reported by the Spanish air traffic controller was confirmed by eyewitness reports in the Donetsk region:

“eyewitnesses in the Donetsk region saw Ukrainian warplanes near the passenger jet. They say they heard sounds of powerful blasts and saw a Ukraine warplane shortly before the crash. (ITAR Tass)

(M.Ch. Global Research Editor)

UPDATE:

We are informed that the twitter account of the Spanish air controller has been closed down. Following his statements, he and is family have been threatened by the Kiev regime.

He has been deported from Ukraine. He is a man of courage and determination committed to the truth.

See his TV interview on RT Spanish

_http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/127516-amenazar-controlador-espanol-ucrania-crisis

Forward this article far and wide.

Translated from Spanish by Luis Lopez
Source: Tweets by Spanish Air Controller - @spainbuca

10:21 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Autoridades de kiev, intentan hacer que pueda parecer un ataque de los pro-rusos

“Kiev Authorities, trying to make it look like an attack by pro-Russians”

10:24 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Ojo! Que puede ser un derribo B777 Malaysia Airlines en ukraine, 280 pasajeros

“warning! It can be a downing, Malaysia Airlines B777 in ukraine, 280 passengers”

10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuidado! Kiev tiene lo que buscaba

“Warning! Kiev have what they wanted”

10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Vuelven a tomar la torre de control en Kiev

“[Miitary] has taken control of ATC in Kiev”

10:27 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B777 de Malaysia Airlines desapareció del radar, no hubo comunicación de ninguna anomalia, confirmado

“The Malaysia Airlines B777 plane disappeared from the radar, there was no communication of any anomaly, confirmed”

10:30 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Avión derribado, derribados, derribado no accidente

“Plane shot down, shot down, shot down, no accident”

10:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Kiev, tiene lo que buscaba, lo dije en los primeros tw, kiev es responsable @ActualidadRT

“Kiev have what they wanted, I said in the first tw [Tweets], Kiev is responsible @ ActualidadRT”

10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Un accidente muy normal no es, no están amenazando en la misma torre del aeropuerto de kiev,

“An accident that is not quite normal, they are threatening us in the same tower of Kiev airport”

10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nos van a quitar, nuestros tlf y demás de un momento a otro

“they will take from our phones and others stuff at any moment”

]10:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Antes de que me quiten el tlf o me rompan la cabeza, derribado por Kiev

“Before They remove my phone or they break my head, shot down by Kiev”

11:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nosotros tenemos la confirmación. Avión derribado, la autoridad de kiev, ya tiene la información, derribado, estamos tranquilos ahora

“We have confirmation. Plane downed, Kiev authorities already have the information, downed, we are calm now”

11:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Que hace personal extranjero con autoridades de kiev en la torre? Recopilando toda la información

“What are doing foreigners with kiev authorities in the tower? Gathering all the information”

11:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuando sea posible sigo escribiendo

“When possible I´ll keep writing”

11:48 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares,

The B777 plane flew escorted by Ukraine jet fighter until 2 minutes before disappearing from the radar,

11:54 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Sí las autoridades de kiev, quieren decir la verdad, esta recogido 2 cazas volaron muy cerca minutos antes , no lo derribo un caza

“If kiev authorities want to tell the truth, It´s gathered, 2 jet fighters flew very close minutes before, wasn’t downed by a fighter”

12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nada más desaparecer el avión B 777 de Malaysia Airlines la autoridad militar de kiev nos informo del derribo, como lo sabían?

“Malaysia Airlines B777 plane just disappeared and Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, How they knew?”

12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 A los 7:00 minutos se notificó el derribo, más tarde se tomó la torre nuestra con personal extranjero q siguen aquí

“7:00 minutes after [plane disappeared], the downing was notified, later our tower was taken with foreigner staff, they still here ”

12:01 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también

“all this is gathered in radars, to the unbelieving, shot down by kiev, here we know it and military air traffic control also”

13:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Aquí los mandos militares manejan y admiten que militares a otras órdenes, pudieron ser, pero no, los pro-rusos

“Here the military commanders are in control and admit that the military could be following other orders , but no, the pro-Russian”

13:29 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El ministro del interior si conocía que, hacían los cazas en la zona, el ministro de defensa no, .

“Interior Minister knew what the fighters were doing in the area, the defense minister didn’t.”

13:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden

“Military confirm It was Ukraine, but still does not know where the order came from”

13:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Hace dias lo dije aquí, militares de kiev querían alzarse contra el actual presidente, esto puede ser una forma, a las órdenes de timoshenko

“Days ago I said here, kiev military wanted to rise against the current president, this may be a way, ordered by timoshenko [following timishenko orders]”

13:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los cazas volaron cerca del 777, hasta 3 minutos antes de desaparecer de los radares, solo 3 minutos

“The fighters flew close to 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes”

13:43 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo

“Airspace closed”

13:45 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo, por miedo a más derribos

“Airspace is closed, more downings feared”

15:17 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Control militar entrega ahora mismo de forma oficial que el avión fue derribado por misil

“military control now officially [say] the plane was shot down by missile”

15:23 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El informe oficial firmado por las autoridades militares de control de kiev ya lo tiene el gobierno,,,, , derribado

“Government has the official report signed by the control military authorities in Kiev,,,, [plane] shot down”

15:26 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En el informe se indica de donde abría salido el misil, y se especifica que no proviene de las autodefensa en las zonas rebeldes

“The report indicates where the missile had come out [from], and specified is not from the selfdefence in rebel areas”

15:34 – 17 de jul. de 2014Los radares militares si recogieron los datos del misil lanzado al avión, los radares civiles no

“Military radar collected data from missile fired to the plane, civilian radars didn’t”

15:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los altos mandos militares no ordenaron el lanzamiento del misil, ,,alguien se le fue la mano en nombre de ukraine

“military high command did not gave the order to fire the missile, someone screw it ine the name of ukraine”

15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Para el que no lo sepa, digamos así, hay militares a las órdenes del ministro de defensa y militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior

“For those who do not know, Let’s say, there are military under the orders of the defense minister and military under the orders of Interior Minister”

15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior conocían en cada momento lo que sucedió, .

“The military under the orders of Interior Minister knew what happened all the time .”

16:06 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares aquí (ATC) torre de control, confirman que el misil es del ejercito de ukraine,

“Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the ukranian army,”

16:07 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares que si lo sabían y otros mandos que no,

“military commanders that knew it and others didn´t ,”

16:08 – 17 de jul. de 2014 290 personas inocentes muertas, . Por una guerra inútil, donde el patriotismo se compra con dinero

“290 dead innocent people. What a useless war, where patriotism is bought with money”

16:09 – 17 de jul. de 2014 La forma de tomar la torre de control minutos después sabiendo todo los detalles, rápido nos hizo pensar que habían sido ellos

“The way the control tower was taken minutes after & knowing all the details, made us think that they [made it]”

16:10 – 17 de jul. de 2014 La cara de los militares que llegaron más tarde diciendo pero que habéis echo, no dejo dudas

“The face of the soldiers who came later saying [what you just did], no chance for doubts”

16:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Es tal la decadencia que los militares acompañados de extranjeros que llegaron primero nos llegaron a pedir que dijéramos su versión

“Such is the decline that military who came first accompanied by foreigners came to us asking us to tell their version”

16:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nuestra respuesta, fue, estos radares no recogen el lanzamiento de misiles, los militares si, ya no quedaban dudas

“Our response was, these radars do not collect the launching of missiles, the military ones does, there were no doubts”

I think this might be consider as an Aquiles heel.
 
Renaissance said:
While you can't see the plane come down, I would think if there was an explosion in the sky as mentioned then there would have been more of a smoke trail or something in the video.

This is also what I wondered about, why there was no smoke and at least not on this video, though maybe there was or is just a movie interpretation. However it came down it will be used against Russia.

At least I heard two or three days ago on the radio that now people also have the possibility to hack planes.
 
Eric said:
This morning I learned that a male acquaintance from my parents was on board of the plane. They met in Bali where both the man and my parent have a house (we are Dutch but with an Indonesian background) I met the man in 2006 when he spent some time In the Netherlands.
It's just kind of bizarre to know that a person I've met is now killed of this cr*ap in the world caused by psychopaths.
I can so relate to this feeling, Eric. There are 11 Indonesians aboard that plane, and 3 of whom I have associations with. Two young men whom are high school friends with my own sons. Holland is closely tied to many Indonesians and more often than not, there are acquaintance or friend of a frend aboard any flight coming in from Holland to this part of the globe (Indonesia). Sad indeed. Malaysia may have done something cosmically wrong to deserve this, or Mahathir went against the US Dollar had something to do with it ?? :huh: Paulus.
 
friends, I want to share with all of you the facts and evidence gathered on the Russian-speaking Internet still yesterday, I sat all last evening with companions and discussed this incident, we literally found each 5 minutes everything new and new proofs, and having put them all, the conclusion is obvious that it was Ukrainian provocation.


see:
- State Department quieted as a mouse Psaki says they do not know who shot down. whereas before they just did that shit scattered on fan on every occasion.
- In the Netherlands, where it departed Boeing, the user puts his photo with the caption "in case he lost."
- July 13 "Inside" about Kolomoiskiy's surprise for Poroshenko associated with the planes.
- Exactly one month ago "Inside" from the "Communist Party".
- A statement of the Spaniards from Boryspil.
- Statements of the junta that they will shoot down any aircraft that violated the restricted flight zone over Novorussia.
- Stuffing a half hour before the crash of a militia in "beech".
- Ukrainian air traffic controllers purposefully led Boeing through this zone, although before they flew south.


conclusions?


I will list all the details below
 
Thursday, July 17, 2014 13:28
Poland enters the war in Ukraine

In the port of Odessa arrived powerful artillery, staff buses and trucks to be sent to the Donbass

Last night (between 3 and 5 am) in the port of Odessa in an atmosphere of high secrecy was made from a barge unloading twelve supposedly self-propelled wheeled guns - 152mm gun-howitzer vz. 77 "Dana" Czech production, the armament of the Polish Armed Forces, as well as two staff buses and trucks. After unloading the artillery battalion (perhaps from the Mazury First Artillery Brigade), a fully stocked Polish soldiers, followed its course to the railway station Separate loading platforms.

Military experts familiar with the situation suggest that this is the "unpleasant surprise for the militia", which said Poroshenko.


With the entry into open civil war in Ukraine regular army of a foreign country - a member of NATO, the military-political situation changed radically. And fully unleashes the Russian Federation and its allies hands for an adequate response

http://centerkor-ua.org/novosti/item/1251-polsha-vstupaet-v-vojnu-na-ukraine.html (in russian)

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Half an hour before the crash NSDC "threw" in the media information about the presence of air defense militia have:

"We have information that on the territory of Ukraine got settings that can shoot down planes at high altitudes. Among them was the installation "Beech" (БУК - read as 'BOOK'), - said the representative of the National Security Council of Ukraine Andriy Lysenko. His words were quoted in many Ukrainian online publications.

http://russian.rt.com/article/41301#ixzz37kGsEwYS

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17.07.2014. Statement to the press service of the People's Republic of Luhansk.

"Malaysian airliner was shot down by Ukrainian stormtrooper
Airspace over the Luhansk and Donetsk Republic closed the Ukrainian government.
Violation Malaysian airliner could happen for two reasons: 1) provocation by Ukraine; 2) air traffic controller mistake.

Any vessel on regulations to be knocked down PVO whose airspace it violated.

Witnesses who watched the flight passenger aircraft Boeing 777, watched him gunship attack on the Ukrainian Air Force. After that passenger plane split in two in the air and fell on the territory of the DNI. After the attack, Ukrainian bomber was shot down and fell on the territory near the village of Krasny Luch. At the moment we are searching for a downed aircraft."

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzcKcyHG_CY
 
BrightLight11 said:
The US Prez is spewing his bs now. "We don't have time for games." - Obama :headbash:


_http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/cvptve/cvpstream1.html

It is strange or have I one Déja vu with this sentence with Mr. Obama?
 
Malaysian Boeing:
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Russian President aircraft:
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"Inside" of the "Communist Party" - the text in the screenshot:
"Soon over the Ruin (so called Ukraine) will be brought down an airliner fully loaded innocent euro-tourists. It will be an occasion for an official invitation to the NATO invasion. So I can see."
look at the date of "inside" - exactly one month ago, the evening of June 17
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The U.S. State Department considers it premature to call the perpetrators of the crash of Boeing
"I do not want to speculate on this subject, for obvious reasons," - said Psaki. Answering the question whether Washington believes that the type of missile used that militias could get from Russia, State Department spokesman said that "there is no evidence that this is the cause of the crash."


yesterday's roundup of on Boeing:
http://ria.ru/incidents/20140717/1016429277.html
 
Flight MH17 crash: Was the cure for AIDS lost along with 100 top researchers?

_http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/Flight-MH17-crash-Was-the-cure-for-AIDS-lost-along-with-100-top-researchers/articleshow/38622521.cms?intenttarget=no

"There were some really prominent researchers that have been doing this
for a very long time and we're getting close to vaccines and people are talking about cures and the end of AIDS.

"These people were the best and the brightest, the ones who had dedicated their whole
careers to fighting this terrible virus."

It makes you wonder, especially with what Robert wrote a few days ago.
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,32575.msg506365.html#msg506365
 
Rajawang said:
Eric said:
This morning I learned that a male acquaintance from my parents was on board of the plane. They met in Bali where both the man and my parent have a house (we are Dutch but with an Indonesian background) I met the man in 2006 when he spent some time In the Netherlands.
It's just kind of bizarre to know that a person I've met is now killed of this cr*ap in the world caused by psychopaths.
I can so relate to this feeling, Eric. There are 11 Indonesians aboard that plane, and 3 of whom I have associations with. Two young men whom are high school friends with my own sons. Holland is closely tied to many Indonesians and more often than not, there are acquaintance or friend of a frend aboard any flight coming in from Holland to this part of the globe (Indonesia). Sad indeed. Malaysia may have done something cosmically wrong to deserve this, or Mahathir went against the US Dollar had something to do with it ?? :huh: Paulus.

I also can relate with you. When the Air India fly exploded due to a bomb in 1985 (Montreal Bombay) I knew some people from this fly, they were teachers from Concordia University where I was studying and also clients of the cafeteria when I was working (the cafeteria was just in front of the University so every day these teachers came to take their breakfast in it. I always remember this fly with a lot of sadness. And I always remember this fly every time there is an aircraft accident.
 
On account of the Spanish control services at the airport Borispol(https://twitter.com/spainbuca)

Translation: "radar recorded all the required information, unbelievers plane shot down Kiev, we can also track the movement of military aircraft."

hispana.jpg


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here "Inside" of 13 July (a few days before the collapse of Boeing). text:
Kolomoysky going to surprise Poroshenko. Something to do with the aircraft.
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Vladimir Putin has accused the Ukrainian authorities in the accident Boeing 777 airline Malaysia Airlines

According to Russian President Vladimir Putin, the responsibility for the collapse of the Boeing 777 passenger airlines Malaysia Airlines under Donetsk, which occurred July 17, assumes Ukraine. The Russian leader is sure that if Kiev does not resumed military operation in the east of the country, the tragedy could have been avoided.

"Certainly, the State over whose territory it happened, is responsible for this terrible tragedy, - said Putin. - This tragedy would not have happened if on this earth was the world would not have been renewed fighting in the south-east of Ukraine. "

The President also ordered the government to take all necessary to establish an objective picture of the disaster, according to ITAR-TASS.

"I ask the Russian government through the available opportunities civilian agencies to do everything for a thorough investigation of the event - said Vladimir Putin. - We must do all that we can to an objective picture of what happened and became the property of our community, and the public in Ukraine and the world. "

"This is absolutely unacceptable things and nobody has the right to pass this without the appropriate conclusions and without that we have an objective information about the incident," - said the Russian president.

http://russian.rt.com/article/41370#ixzz37lOrRL5A

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and from there:

"In the Ukrainian region of Donetsk deployed battalions with 27 launchers complex" Buk-M1. "They are capable of hitting targets at an altitude of 30 kilometers. On this, as reported by RIA Novosti, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

In addition, the Defense Ministry said that Russian air defense on July 17 did not work in the border areas with Ukraine. Russian Air Force planes flying to this day there is also not performed.

"In connection with the emerging all sorts of insinuations concerning the operations of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the border regions of Ukraine, responsibly declare that: July 17th air defense of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the area did not work. Aircraft of the Air Forces in Russian regions bordering the Donetsk region, July 17 this year, flights are not fulfilled, "- said in a statement.

The ministry added that this information is fully confirmed by means of objective control."

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Alexander Zhilin (I've highlighted in red the main essence, translation below):
"Russian satellites detected, where he was launch and already know the names of performers."
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