Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 Crashes in Ukraine

[Palinurus]

Source: _http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/10/07/report-buk-missile-fragments-found-in-bodies-of-mh17-victims/

Report: BUK missile fragments found in bodies of MH17 victims

Posted on Oct 7, 2015 by Zack Newmark

MH17 wreckage at Gilze-Rijen airbase (Picture: Twitter/@theRohitBansal)

Shrapnel from a Buk missile was found in the bodies of victims from the Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 crash, according to a Ukrainian investigator that was formerly part of the international team researching the cause of the disaster. The revelation comes just one week before the Dutch Safety Board releases their final report on the July 2014 Boeing 777 crash in eastern Ukraine.

Vasyl Vovk worked on the case for nearly a year, up to June 19, the Joint Investigative Team confirmed to broadcaster NOS, but it criticized Vovk for not exercising caution with his statements.

He was among Dutch, Australian and Ukrainian experts that pulled apart multiple samples of Buk missiles to determine if the forensic evidence found with the plane wreckage and in the bodies matched the material used to make the weapons.

Vovk said the fragments were consistent with a match, and that they were handed over to specialised experts for comparative analysis.

“Nobody disputes that the Malaysia Airlines plane was shot down by a Buk missile from a Buk system, which was delivered from Russian Federation territory. And then after the crime, in that same territory, there was a block with the help of terrorist fighters,” he said, referring to the Ukrainian separatists.

Vovk did not directly say who shot the plane down, but he did say that he finds it hard to believe that soldiers would have launched the missile without any orders from higher authorities.

“The Russian Minister of Defense must have known about it,” he added.

The JIT does not deny the volume of evidence seemingly indicating that a Buk missile brought down the plane. “But however much is pointing in one direction, we can not exclude [researching] other scenarios,” the JIT wrote in a statement.

The Dutch Public Prosecutor previously revealed that there was evidence the plane was brought down by a Buk missile strike, and called on people in the Ukraine to come forward with any testimony or evidence about the launch.

Hundreds of people responded to the prosecutor’s request, the office said in April.

The plane was carrying 283 passengers and 15 crew members when it left Amsterdam on July 17. It was flying over a conflict zone in Ukraine when it fell from the sky on its way to Kuala Lumpur, killing everyone on the aircraft.

Similar coverage at:

_http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/610533/MH17-Russian-shrapnel-separatists
_http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11916781/Missile-fragments-found-in-MH17-bodies.html
_https://charter97.org/en/news/2015/10/7/172238/

 

[Palinurus]

The latest on SOTT from RT source:

http://www.sott.net/article/303638-3-Dutch-media-companies-sue-government-demanding-full-release-of-info-on-MH17-crash

Three Dutch media companies have filed a joint lawsuit against the country's Security and Justice Ministry, demanding that it disclose more documents relating to the MH17 catastrophe investigation after the ministry's refusal to release the information.

The Netherlands Broadcasting Foundation (NOS); the Dutch subsidiary of the European TV, radio and production company RTL Group; and the Dutch daily Volkskrant have joined forces to appeal the Netherlands Security and Justice Ministry's refusal to make public "many documents" concerning the Malaysian Airlines MH17 crash in Eastern Ukraine last year, NOS said in a press release.

The three media companies had previously appealed to the ministry separately, asking it to disclose MH17 investigation data based on the Freedom of Information Law (WOB). The aim of the companies was to bring to light the details of the tragedy, as well as to reconstruct the actions of Dutch officials after the catastrophe.

The three media companies asked for the reports of ministerial and other official committees that were involved in the MH17 investigation to be released. In response to the media outlets' request, the ministry reportedly released about 575 documents related to the MH17 case, including the correspondence of the members of the national crisis group that was formed immediately after the tragedy.

However, the media companies called the result of their requests "disappointing" in statements published on their websites. They said the ministry refused to release many of the MH17-related documents and rendered lots of other documents unreadable by blurring large pieces in them.

Peter Klein, deputy senior editor of Dutch RTL News, said he was "frustrated" with the government's attempts to blur over the truth with the "black marker policy."

"It seems to me that [such actions] are unworthy of an open, democratic society," he said in the RTL press release.

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[Palinurus]

The Russian side has filed protest and appeal with UN Aviation Agency against the upcoming DSB final report due out on 13 October:

http://www.sott.net/article/303771-Moscow-appeals-to-the-UN-aviation-agency-to-intervene-into-MH17-probe-after-final-report-leaked

Similar story here: _http://www.nst.com.my/news/2015/10/russians-angered-dutch-probe

 

[Oxajil]

Dutch readers who are interested, a liveblog/news report on MH17 can be viewed here: _http://www.bnr.nl/nieuws/vliegtuigcrashoekraine/388345-1510/liveblog-mh17 Be on the outlook for disinfo when listening. (They're currently talking in English)

Family members of MH17 victims were given a presentation on what happened. One of them was just interviewed and said something along the lines of "They showed an animation of what happened to the plane, and it's certain it was a Buk-missile". They say the Buk-missile hit the left side of the plane.

They're also discussing a tribunal... they've mentioned Lockerbie a couple of times. Discussed here as well:

http://www.sott.net/article/303247-Sott-Exclusive-Dutch-government-pursuing-Lockerbie-style-tribunal-to-prosecute-Russia-for-MH17

 

[Oxajil]

More info here: https://www.rt.com/news/318457-mh17-report-plane-crash/

Dutch Safety Board MH17 report can be found here: http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/report-mh17-crash-en.pdf

Dutch PM said that the results from the report (i.e. it was a Buk-missile fired from an area (they're uncertain about the exact location) in East Ukraine) will be used as a "building block" for prosecuting the perpetrators. The process of the prosecution might take some time, some have said a year, others have said it will take place at the end of the year or at the start of 2016. There were some hints here and there in the TV news report about how Russia is responsible. There was also much focus on Ukraine being at fault for not closing the airspace.

It's just mind-boggling to me that they went with the Buk-missile theory and pretty much ignored the research Russia has presented to them. At the same time, it's no surprise, the aim all along was to put Russia in a bad light.

 

[bjorb]

Interesting info from the press invitation for the presentation given today

See: https://www.perssupport.nl/persbericht/94214/persuitnodiging-presentatie-rapporten-mh17

De presentatie van voorzitter Joustra duurt naar verwachting circa dertig minuten, waarna hij de luchtmachtbasis verlaat om zijn programma te vervolgen. Er is dan ook geen gelegenheid tot het stellen van vragen aan de voorzitter of het geven van een-op-een interviews.

The Presentation of chairman Joustra will be expected to take around 30 min, after his presentation he will leave the air-force base to resume his program. There will no occasion to ask questions nor to give interviews.

 

[Palinurus]

Although coverage about the DSB final report undoubtedly will be world wide, here are the press reports available from Holland:

_http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/10/13/mh17-shot-missile-airspace-closed/
_http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/10/13/safety-board-on-mh17-airspace-above-ukraine-should-have-been-closed/
_http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/10/13/mh17-missile-launch-site-not-determined/

_http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/10/13/pm-rutte-mh17-report-a-penetrating-and-confrontational-story/
_http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/10/13/prosecutor-mh17-report-in-line-with-current-criminal-investigation-findings/

_http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/10/13/report-pro-russian-rebels-shot-down-mh17-russia-denies/
_http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/10/13/russian-missile-maker-mh17-shot-down-by-old-ukrainian-missile/

_http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2015/10/buk-missile-brought-down-mh17-airspace-should-have-been-closed/

_http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/

 

[Ca.]

FWIW Much of this information may have been covered already from previous post. Those post (as well as from the sessions and SOTT) may have provided a much more clearer interpretation of what is happening with the recent release from the Dutch of Flight MH-17
So my apologies to those whom have done a much more thorough and accurate job of connecting the Dots. Separating fact from fiction.

I guess what ever flies with the Dutch flies with all the other perpetrators which fits there bill to demonize Russia.
But Russia knows all to well who is behind this, and may have advanced satellite imagery that proves other wise of this victimization.

The Ace in the hole is Truth, and President Putin carries it well. With Integrity, maturity, experience, and knowledge.
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.fr/2014/08/analysis-of-satellite-imagery-released.html

Published on Oct 13, 2015
MH17 Crash

Video about the Dutch Safety Board’s investigation into the causes of the crash of flight MH17 on 17 July 2014 in the eastern part of Ukraine and the Board’s investigation into flying over conflict zones. The video was based on the Dutch Safety Board’s investigation reports, which were published on 13 October 2015.

The wrong versio.............Opps' i mean the long version
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDiLEyT9spI

Airplane disruption animation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5naaWe3nLI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxgo-8kaQVY

S-8 rocket
S-8S Flechette 1.612 m 13 kg 4.3 kg 1.2 to 3.5 km 2,000 flechettes in 5 bundles
_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-8_rocket

The S-8 is a rocket weapon developed by the Soviet Air Force for use by military aircraft. It remains in service with the Russian Air Force and various export customers.
Developed in the 1970s, the S-8 is an 80 mm (3.1 in) rocket used by fighter bombers and helicopters. The system entered service in 1984 and is produced in a variety of subtypes with different warheads, including HEAT anti-armor, high-explosive fragmentation, smoke, and incendiary, as well as the specialized S-8BM runway-destroying munition and the S-8DM fuel-air explosive variants. Each rocket is between 1.5 meters (4 ft 11 in) and 1.7 meters (5 ft 7 in) long and weighs between 11.3 kg (25 lb) and 15.2 kg (33.5 lb), depending on warhead and fuse. Range is 2 to 4 kilometers (1.3 to 2.6 mi).
The S-8 is generally carried in the B series of rocket pods, carrying either seven or 20 rockets.

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Let me start by stating that this is a hot and still developing story. I received the photos with a claim that they show a victim of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 that crashed near border between Ukraine in Russia. I don’t know whether the photos are authentic, so for now let’s just think of them as illustration photos to go with the article.

Now let me get to the real issue here – does anyone else think it’s strangely convenient that such major event with such massive life loss happens just when Israel desperately needed any such event to take place in order for the public to stop focusing so much on their indiscriminate massacre of the Palestinians, and premeditated murder of 4 childrenthat people were spending too much time talking about?

It’s even more convenient if you consider that the ZOG was itching for a proper false flag event to happen in Ukraine in order to get public support for deployment of troops and heavy military weaponry in the region now that they got it this far, but things were not progressing as they would have wished? It’s like hitting two birds with one stone.

Russia rejects official result of MH17 investigation
http://mashable.com/2015/10/13/russia-reaction-mh17-report/#nYNPfH3ItGqs

The report is the first full, independent and official account of what happened.

But Russia rejected its conclusions on Tuesday.

What Russia says

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said on Tuesday that there had been "an obvious attempt to draw a biased conclusion, and carry out political orders," according to Russian news agencies.

A wealth of evidence points the finger at Russian soldiers or Russian-backed militants as the ones who shot down the airliner with an advanced Russian air defense system. But in the 15 months since the tragedy, Moscow has poured a huge amount of resources into disproving that conclusion.

Moscow's state-run media has vigorously denied blame, and instead attempted to discredit investigators and journalists. Russian officials have suggested that perhaps a Ukrainian jet fighter shot down the plane or an Israeli missile.

Maria Antonova @mashant-2:23 PM - 13 Oct 2015
https://twitter.com/mashant?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
The butterfly/bow tie shrapnel is the divergent issue in Dutch and Rus MH17 theories. Russia says it was not there.

According to the Dutch report, however, "the shape and form of the parts recovered is consistent with a 9M38 series surface-to-air missile." In other words, it was a Russian Buk missile, and not the one Almaz Antey claims was used.

Russia has also tried to prove that the missile launch site was near a town controlled by Ukrainian forces on July 17, 2014. Except, it wasn't. Locals have told journalists there was no Buk missile system in the area, and, in fact, separatists controlled the town at the time. Ukrainian situation maps show the same.
What the West says

As news of the Dutch's findings came out on Tuesday, the White House put out a statement, describing the report as an "important milestone in effort to hold accountable those responsible." The statement also said that White House "assessment is unchanged — MH17 was shot down by a surface-to-air missile fired from separatist-controlled territory."

More @ the link.

MH17 crash' test simulation video: Il-86 plane cockpit hit with BUK missile
Published on Oct 13, 2015
The BUK system’s manufacturer Almaz-Antey releases its report on last year’s MH17 crash over eastern Ukraine and is shows a video of simulated BUK missile explosion right next to a pilot's cockpit

http://<iframe width="560" height="...Yk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Conjecture Below.

 

[Sol Logos]

An Australian report that came out recently, its all about blaming Russia but without any conclusive evidence of course. Then the Australian foreign minister talks "tough" about Russia not going to stop them seeking "justice": http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/mh17-report-2015-victims-final-moments-revealed-as-report-finds-russian-made-missile-responsible/story-fniztvnh-1227568150463?sv=291f5a902d3980fab2e80c6fe211d9da

 

[Palinurus]

The RT article published on SOTT:

http://www.sott.net/article/303937-Its-our-belief-Mush-for-brains-insists-rebels-downed-MH17-with-BUK-missile-ignores-Dutch-report

The abcNEWS version:

_http://abcnews.go.com/International/breaking-mh17-crash-reports-findings/story?id=34441015

PBS coverage:

_http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/dutch-investigators-traced-mh17-missile-back-source/

 

[Ca.]

The RT article published on SOTT:

http://www.sott.net/article/303937-Its-our-belief-Mush-for-brains-insists-rebels-downed-MH17-with-BUK-missile-ignores-Dutch-report

The abcNEWS version:

_http://abcnews.go.com/International/breaking-mh17-crash-reports-findings/story?id=34441015

PBS coverage:

_http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/dutch-investigators-traced-mh17-missile-back-source/

Add to your excellent reference's the latest from Rt.

RT Documentaries The real story about MH17 -not Dutch LIES
Oct 14, 2015
https://youtu.be/Vb8vx0ok_Tk

 

[Palinurus]

And here's yet another analysis from RT as published on SOTT:

http://www.sott.net/article/303955-8-things-learned-from-the-Dutch-MH17-report

 

[Altair]

But Russia knows all to well who is behind this, and may have advanced satellite imagery that proves other wise of this victimization.

And probably waits for the right moment.

 

[Palinurus]

An RT summation of Russian criticisms published on SOTT today:

http://www.sott.net/article/303989-Dutch-safety-board-report-on-MH17-found-unsatisfactory-and-slanted-by-Russian-Transport-Agency

Meanwhile, the Ukrainian ambassador to the Netherlands has stated his views also:

_http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/10/15/ukraine-no-reason-to-close-airspace-before-mh17/

 

[Palinurus]

Nice analysis of the propaganda backgrounds in and by Western media around this issue:

http://www.sott.net/article/303971-MH17-Syria-and-Ukraine-The-lies-eventually-catch-up