Mass Migration - a plan, or just a consequence of some other plan

[luke wilson]

I don't know if there is any way of finding this out but I wonder if the current illegal migrant nightmare camped out at the border, ready to invade civilization is mostly orchestrated by higher agendas and the media which is concentrating on pushing one theme about this situation I.e. Ignoring how it came to be in the first place.

I think they've always been illegal migrants from black Africa looking to enter europe illegally through various means. Most of sub Saharan continent is ravaged through imperialism. I don't think much has changed recently on that front so I don't see why there would be more people from that region looking to do this now than before.

Most probably there have been an increase from countries like Syria and Libya as millions flee. I wonder what manipulations in perception the media is playing. I remember when some eastern European countries were joining the eu and the UK media was on overdrive about the soon to come invasion from that region. Looking at the UK now, I would hardly say the polish invaded the UK. I hear more Spanish people on the streets than polish people yet from the media you'd hardly know that a whole bunch of young Spanish people now call the UK home.

I'm pretty sure there is manipulation in perception emanating from the high towers of mainstream media on this subject.

 

[Joe]

This seems like a good answer. I know that migrants do not come only from the war zone, but the war itself can explain the sudden mass appearance of migrants. Without the war, it seems to be some kind of organization and promotion of migration. This makes things more suspect. It is like someone taking all these people out of war and non-war zones, to send them to the EU. Not in the United States, who is the main cause for their condition. This creates some new (un)predictable possibilities on European soil.

Indeed, a nice little problem for the EU, to keep them occupied and dependent on the USA. While the US is certainly the major cause of this migrant 'crisis', Europe certainly had a bit part to play, so I don't think they can feel hard done by in that respect. As for your main question, I think this is one example of the general chaos among human life on earth that eventually results when psychopaths in power are allowed to give free expression to their pathological greed and desire to exploit and destroy.

As for the provenance of the migrants, while some do come from non-war zones, I think the reason it is a real problem today is because of the wars ignited by the West. The normal inflow of migrants never made the news because it was low, but with Syria and Libya in particular, the numbers have increased dramatically. Note also that there are many from other African nations further South than Libya. Covert low intensity wars fueled by the West have been ongoing there for many years.

But as I understand it, Libya was one sparsely populated and relatively wealthy and welcoming country into which migrants from further South could come, while Gaddafi was the Libyan leader. Since NATO murdered him and destroyed Libyan society and installed a cabal of idiots, migrants are no longer welcome there, so they move further north into Italy and Europe.

 

[Nević Nenad]

I think that the EU are not yet aware of the size of the problem they will have. Their media is still concentrated on the Africa and Libya migrants going by the sea and across the Italy, while in the same time on the "Syria, Turkey, Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Hungary" route there are hundred times more people. When you count official statistics from those countries you get some 100.000 people on the road at this very minute and increasing. Plus, people who stlil awaits in Greece. They are saying that they are on the road for month and a half or so, and that they was among the firsts to start the journey, so the numbers will increase exponentially.

I live in Serbia so the picture here already looks very "biblical". Tens and hundreds of people are going west and north following roads and railways, they are in every park. The same is Macedonia. And that is something that you wont see on the western media.

There are hints that the EU and the quisling government of Serbia will try to detain them in Serbia and Macedonia, but fortunately, migrants don't want that. Their goals are Germany, France and Britain.

Couple of videos to show how that looks. And it is not about one time events, it is like that the whole day, everyday.

People try to get to the trains in little town of Gevgelija on the Greece-Macedonian border. In order to continue journey north, to Serbia, Hungary and then western Europe. (it is happening every day, not just one time occasion):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU5Bq4iE_78
http://hr.sott.net/article/2708-Velika-guzva-medu-migrantima-u-vozu-za-Srbiju


Belgrade, Serbia. Migrants in every park in the city. They stay here for a couple of days and then continue their journey to Europe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b75A3AdN46E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLAEcdUEmF0

Notice the dates on the videos, and it gets worse by the day.


add: it is worth to say that the only one who gave some real help to Serbia in this crisis so far are Russia. Through Russian-Serbian humanitarian center in Serbian town of Nis they gave material and financial help, and their people are constantly on the terrain.

 

[PERLOU]

Sur sott.net France, voici un article très nteressant et qui confirme que les Etats Unis sont bien derrière ce cahos, un de plus... Poutine avait vu juste une fois de plus...
http://fr.sott.net/article/26208-Les-Etats-Unis-directement-responsables-des-flux-migratoires-vers-l-Europe#comments

On sott.net France, here is a very interessant article which confirms that the United States are well behind this chaos, one more ... Putin was right again ...
http://fr.sott.net/article/26208-Les-Etats-Unis-directement-responsables-des-flux-migratoires-vers-l-Europe#comments

 

[Joe]

People try to get to the trains in little town of Gevgelija on the Greece-Macedonian border. In order to continue journey north, to Serbia, Hungary and then western Europe. (it is happening every day, not just one time occasion):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU5Bq4iE_78
http://hr.sott.net/article/2708-Velika-guzva-medu-migrantima-u-vozu-za-Srbiju

That's pretty horrific. Poor children! It's definitely a 'time bomb' waiting to go off.

 

[Jeremy F Kreuz]

Belgrade, Serbia. Migrants in every park in the city. They stay here for a couple of days and then continue their journey to Europe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b75A3AdN46E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLAEcdUEmF0

indeed precarious situations - sanitation seems to be the measure issue - where are those people going to the bathroom - this is a recipe for outbreak of communal diseases (when was the last outbreak of Cholera in europe?)

On the other hand, situation is still relatively good, comparing with other refugee crisises in Africa - for reference, the first minutes of this youtube clip of the refugee crisis in DRC in 1995.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwxvrL_FfBk

 

[Joe]

On the other hand, situation is still relatively good, comparing with other refugee crisises in Africa - for reference, the first minutes of this youtube clip of the refugee crisis in DRC in 1995.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwxvrL_FfBk

That video is indescribably depressing, and it's from 20 years ago and things have only gotten worse since then! That so many innocent people and children could have been forced to suffer in that way is just beyond imagination. And to realise that the Rwandan slaughter was facilitated by Western governments really speaks to the horrific nature of life for so many under the rule of psychopaths.

 

[loreta]

This situation is really chaotic, what the ptb like but wait, maybe this is too much. Maybe it is a bomb that will explode but what are they doing to help or cure the situation? Nothing. Bla bla bla, and they do absolutely nothing. It is as if they love to see all this people coming, putting them in a sort of prison, without no water or food, in very unsanitary conditions. They seem to love this, and show us this, through images in their mainstream news. They seem to tell us: look, look how many people are coming here, look how desperate they are, how poor, and they come here to take out your job, because the job we have for you, with minimal revenue, a job that is just exploitation, if you don't wanted it we have people that can do it for less than that. And we are doing nothing to help the situation, look how mean and bad we are...


That creates a situation of fear, insecurity. With more hard measures, control, etc. A situation of desperation, also a situation that will demand, from the natives of the EU countries, that their politicians act with a hard hand to control the situation. And maybe the message, the subtle message from the psychopaths is this: we treated the immigrants like this because it is the only way to make them stop to come in our country. So people, the majority, accept this treatment for immigrants as something necessary. And here comes the division, they people and I. The absence of compassion. Racism. And ignorance. And how easy is to control people that are racists, without compassion and ignorant!

 

[Nević Nenad]

Belgrade, Serbia. Migrants in every park in the city. They stay here for a couple of days and then continue their journey to Europe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b75A3AdN46E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLAEcdUEmF0

indeed precarious situations - sanitation seems to be the measure issue - where are those people going to the bathroom - this is a recipe for outbreak of communal diseases (when was the last outbreak of Cholera in europe?)

On the other hand, situation is still relatively good, comparing with other refugee crisises in Africa - for reference, the first minutes of this youtube clip of the refugee crisis in DRC in 1995.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwxvrL_FfBk

They have movable chemical toilets, water cisterns (trucks), medical volunteers and the red cross people at the disposal. As the doctors (mostly red cross and the army doctors, some NGO) say there are cases of diarrhea and respiratory infections among children, but most of them, and adults are in good health condition, except exhaustion.

There are refuge camps built for Croatian Serbs when they fled Croatia 20 years ago, in which the conditions are decent, but the problem is that the majority of the migrants are staying just a 2-3 days in Serbia and then move on to the west. So, the most of the camps are to far for them because the camps are mostly outside the cities. Plus, many of them have fears that those are detainment camps such as in Greece. (they are not, anyone can came and go as wish). They can also apply for official asylum in Serbia. Which, according to the officials around 60.000 people did so far in the 2015. The asylum request bears no legal responsibility so migrants still can go out of the country as they wish, which majority of them does.

Text on the mater, from few days ago. Translated by Google so it is not so good, but you can get gist of it:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blic.rs%2FVesti%2FBeograd%2F582801%2FMIGRANTI-U-STRAHU-OD-KRNJACE-Centar-za-izbeglice-moze-da-ih-primi-ali-oni-su-previse-uplaseni&edit-text=&act=url

On the other hand seems that there are also another kind of the migrants. Much smaller in numbers, but with the money:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmondo.rs%2Fa821812%2FInfo%2FDru%C5%A1tvo%2FLuksuz-u-Beogradu-Kako-%C5%BEive-bogate-izbeglice-iz-Sirije.html&edit-text=&act=url

 

[Persej]

This wire on Hungarian border doesn't seem to be too big problem for migrants: _http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Svet/585517/HOP-Evo-sta-mali-migranti-rade-kad-se-nadju-pred-madjarskom-ogradom

It acts more like a tool for channeling the flow of migrants, but not as something that can stop them.

 

[SummerLite]

I've wondered what is going on with this in the USA for years. It does seem to have many uses and reasons as described by others here.

Maybe 20 years ago, Spanish labels began appearing on all goods along with the English which was a sign for me something was a foot. As the years pass we see this open boarder to the south that's such a big problem now. I thought for years the influx of Mexican people was and is a way to flood the market with cheap labor for the ptb. This thought lined up well with Pres. Reagan closing down parts of the meat packing industry, throwing thousands out of work, all union member I might add. He sent buses to Mexico, filling them with workers and brought them back to work in the meat packing factories. This was at the same time US immigration laws where being trashed. My learning of this incident was a good 12 years ago or more, so maybe I have some details incorrect with this, how many people etc. edit: Perhaps this was just one factory as I think of it more.

I also consider the "slave profile" of the Mexican people. I am sorry to say that, it sounds harsh, but I mean it with all compassion. Mexican people have been so worn down. They do work very hard for little pay and their used to not having any rights, perfect slaves. There is this nonsense circling the nation, the Democratic party want the Mexicans here since they mainly vote democratic. Such a farce like the vote actually works here.

I read a comment here on the forum recently, and believe it was in the Greece discussion concerning their immigrant problem. . But, the idea was that the New World Order plans to eliminate all boarders and sovereign countries. So this added to my understanding of what may be happening here and in Europe.

A few more recent observations:

I have a friend who receives assistance from the government, Social Security benefits, Medicare etc. as she is of the age to receive these benefits and is partially disabled. Since loosing her home her benefits have been cut since she doesn't pay rent. Anyway, much hassle and they have her jumping threw unreasonable hoops, making it complicated and difficult. On the other hand we have these stories of illegals receiving all manner of benefits from the government putting them on easy street, more or less. So receiving these benefits from the gov. becomes increasingly difficult for citizens but for illegals no problem. This is second hand information I share, hearsay in a way, so not backed by the facts. She tells me this and I consider, at some time these benefits for illegals will stop, then what happens to them?

Wal Mart is very much into the plan whatever that is. They have special sections in the food departments especially catering to the traditional Mexican diet. The foods they would buy in Mexico, same brands etc. (I used to live in Mexico) I don't know how long they've been doing this as I've just started shopping for food at Wal Mart being a "professional buyer" (that sounds better).

Here is what inspired me to write here. My 5 year old grandson started kindergarten today, he is so excited and sooo cute. And he will be learning Spanish as part of his curriculum! I do like that in some ways, he is part Mexican himself. BUT another part of the hidden plan?

 

[Persej]

Here is what inspired me to write here. My 5 year old grandson started kindergarten today, he is so excited and sooo cute. And he will be learning Spanish as part of his curriculum! I do like that in some ways, he is part Mexican himself. BUT another part of the hidden plan?

Well, if the new Ice Age is coming, many Americans will have to move to the south, i.e. Mexico, so knowing Spanish might be a useful skill in the future.

 

[PERLOU]

Voici deux liens de sott.net France que je partage avec vous...
http://fr.sott.net/article/26262-Migrations-organisees-par-les-Etats-Unis
http://fr.sott.net/article/26260-Migrations-causes-consequences-chauvinisme-de-la-prosperite-des-riches

Here are two links sott.net France that I share with you ...
http://fr.sott.net/article/26262-Migrations-organisees-par-les-Etats-Unis
http://fr.sott.net/article/26260-Migrations-causes-consequences-chauvinisme-de-la-prosperite-des-riches

 

[Persej]

There was an incident in camp for immigrants in Hungary yesterday. Immigrants tried to escape from the camp because they didn't want to be registered because by the "Dublin 3" agreement all immigrants in the EU can be returned to the country where they were first registered. And immigrants do not want to be in the future returned from richer countries, like Germany or Sweden, into Hungary.

But what is interesting about this is that the Hungary is not the first EU country that they entered because they already passed through the Greece! But it seems that the Greece is not registering them.

Serbia also have the agreement with the EU about remission of immigrants, so if the EU decides to return all the immigrants into Hungary, the Hungary can then decide to return all the immigrants into Serbia.

 

[Dirgni]

There was a truck found with about 20 to 50 dead persons in it in Austria. They say they maybe suffocated. They were found because the death juices from the bodies were running out of the back door. The German Chancellor Merkel and other European politicians are making big words because of this.

And another boat full of fugitives sank before the coast off Libya. Too many deaths connected with refugees today. A modern migration period.

http://www.rt.com/news/313603-migrants-dead-austria-lorry/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/27/us-europe-grants-eu-austria-idUSKCN0QW19H20150827