Could they be doing this to use against the public and not Russia (or not only Russia)?
The answer to the question is complex:
I will begin with Russia, then move to Germany, the role of refugeeism, the intentions, or at least past intentions of the US, though for all practical purposes I'm not yet convinced much has changed. Then follows comments on Christianity and Islam, elections that help to get pathological types into power, the issues with many of the modern left, and many of the right, the green agendas, depopulation, destruction of lives, and promotion of social unrest, and the role of the undergrounders. Near the end, there is an excerpt that ends with: "
So, what can we do, if anything? - Help others to be ready", which of course goes way beyond a discussion of migration.
About Russia, there was:
Session 22 October 2022
(Ze Germans) What is the true origin of Russophobia? Is there a hyperdimensional aspect to it?
A: Absolutely!!!
If one looks at the
losses in WWII, there were other nations, apart from the Soviet Union that lost more than 10 % of their population, most was Poland, with 18 % followed by the Soviet Union with about 13 %, and Germany with 11 %. Usually, of course, Germany is held out as the villain, Poland as the innocent victim and that may be true to some extent, but does not exclude that from a hyperdimensional perspective the situation was a little different and that it might have been an opportunity to reduce also the German and Polish populations.
About Germany, there was a quoted somewhere earlier, probably, when the topic of refugees was brought up:
Germany is a direct target in case you haven't noticed.
Session 10 October 2015
(Data) People in the West are waking up to the fact that we have basically mass migration of people from Syria and the Middle East. We have 4 million people displaced, and 180,000 went to Germany. A section of that stayed in other countries. I read in the news that some people in the West think this is suspicious. Why do they all want to go to Germany? Were they informed in some way by the government, or is this truly a grassroots movement where they just wanted to go to Germany?
A: Partly desperation and partly engineered. Let us say that the very real and desperate plight of refugees has been cynically utilized by nefarious agents.
Q: (Perceval) So the engineered part is to destabilize or put pressure on European governments?
A: Yes and more than that: to insert agents that will act against the various governments in the future.
Q: (L) I would like to know what is the percentage of real refugees to agents?
A: 94
Q: (L) 94 percent?
A: Yes
Q: (L) 94 percent are real refugees, but the rest are agents that are being sent in with them. And so who are the nefarious agents that have cynically utilized this refugee crisis to plant agents within European countries?
A: USA and allies of consortium.
Q: (Perceval) So America and its Saudi friends...
(L) And the bankers...
(Perceval) So all this talk of ISIS in the refugees is kinda true?
(L) To a certain extent.
(Perceval) But ISIS is controlled, so you know what that means.
(L) But ISIS was created by the USA?
A: Yes
Q: (L) So... Next question?
(Alana) They're sending the refugees to Germany, is that to destabilize the central powers of Europe?
(Perceval) Yeah, Germany is the economic powerhouse.
A: Germany is a direct target in case you haven't noticed.
Q: (L) So they want to destabilize Germany and put a total puppet government in charge?
A: Close.
Q: (L) So, Madame Merkel is not quite subservient enough?
A: Yes
Q: (L) She still harbors...
(Galatea) Opinions. [laughter]
A: Yes
Q: (Perceval) Germany is the center of European power, decision-making, etc.
(L) So, if the USA were to control Germany completely, they'd own Europe.
Do not forget the cause of refugeeism: the aggression of the imperial ambitions of the Israeli-American alliance
Session 6 February 2016
(L) Okay, are we done with this topic? I want to go back to our refugee problem. I was reading an article where it was said that this guy Erdogan is deliberately pushing refugees into Europe as a way of holding European leaders hostage more or less. The idea is that EU leaders are put on the spot to show their "Christian charity" so to speak to look after the downtrodden. Also, he's using it to insert terrorists into Europe. I think we've already established that there are a certain number of terrorists that ARE being inserted into Europe via the refugee stream. Is it also true that Erdogan is deliberately pushing this stream as a way of creating chaos in Europe?
A: Yes. But do not forget the cause of refugeeism: the aggression of the imperial ambitions of the Israeli-American alliance.
Q: (Joe) Thing is, I would wonder about the extent to which Erdogan decides very much in Turkey at all.
(L) That's what they just said I think: that AIPAC is the driver, or something similar.
(Joe) But even inside Turkey, they've been infiltrated by these NATO stay-behind networks for a long time. There are people inside the Turkish military and intelligence establishments that are kind of autonomous nodes there. They can basically do what they want out of the oversight of the official government. They would probably be working under the control of NATO and the American-Israeli interests.
(L) And I guess their controllers want just absolute chaos?
A: Yes
Q: (Joe) Geopolitically, this is ultimately part of their fight against Russia. They figure that to prevent any rapprochement between Russia and Europe, they'll engineer the downfall of Europe. Divide and conquer. Then they can keep Russia out of Western Europe and stop Russia from expanding and taking its rightful place. They're willing to destroy everything to stop that.
A: Remember Plato's tale of Atlantis: The global ambitions of that empire brought its total destruction.
Q: (Joe) In a previous reference to Atlantis, you said that they ended up causing their own destruction because of their greed for energy. Like an energetic hunger, energy weapons, or whatever... But that probably precipitated geological destruction as well. The two are linked.
A: Similarities abound. Money equals energy.
Q: (Joe) You said that previously, as well. Does that suggest that at least initially, a financial crisis first...
(L) The PTB could be having financial motives, but those motives lead to the use and expenditures of energies in ways that are supposed to protect or enhance or promote their financial ambitions but which are ultimately extremely destructive and hard to contain once let loose.
A: Yes
Q: (Joe) I was thinking that overtly, the first blow to the empire this time may come in the form of...
(L) Economic collapse.
A: Yes
Q: (L) And then that can lead to just rampant militarism. That is the usual solution to economic problems. Go to war and steal other people’s stuff. Okay, next?
A: Keep in mind that it all is part of the cleansing process.
The last point; "
Keep in mind that it all is part of the cleansing process." is probably no less relevant today.
Regarding the above "imperial ambitions of the American-Israel alliance", which might be even more visible today, than then. there was also:
US wishes to destabilize EU similar to Syria so that they can come in and "fix" things. i.e. rule and control resources and trade the "American way". Everyone will speak English!
I don't know, how far that has come, but Europe certainly has a more Syria-like situation than back in 2017and with the US having several bilateral agreements with European NATO countries, that allows US law to override national laws. Several of the agreements are even such that they can not be cancelled for ten years. The context is:
Session 13 May 2017
Q: (Pierre) Well, so it's that. People got scared. That's a documented thing. The first leaks from Macron's servers was those documents from a NATO/CIA-sponsored foundation in France that was pushing for a lot of migration and a lot of mosques and stuff. I was wondering if his main mission is to bring in migrants and stir things up to lead towards a civil war?
A: US wishes to destabilize EU similar to Syria so that they can come in and "fix" things. i.e. rule and control resources and trade the "American way". Everyone will speak English!
Q: [laughter] (Pierre) They sure have a sense of humor, but I'm not sure that will be the only consequence...
(L) So basically, some kind of cabal in the deep state of the US is at the bottom of some kind of One World Order plan to really basically bit by bit take the entire planet under its control. Is that it either overtly or covertly?
A: Covertly at present, but overtly eventually.
Q: (Joe) That's been the goal for a long time.
Germany has had a mix of Protestantism and Catholicism, in fact significant research on the Bible has come out of Germany without which, I think, some piece would have been missing allowing Laura to write from Paul to Mark. With regard to Christianity there was, following he burning of Notre Dame in Paris, but also about Islam, which is up and coming in Germany with demands from some quarters in more recent times to legalize of introduce Sharia laws. Not that it will happen, but there is not less tension on this account:
But when you look at history with a lot of distance, the feeling I get is that the most fundamental dynamic is that: the destruction of Christianity. And all we see today is... - How do you propose that they could make it possible to destroy Christianity? - It was the plan all along. Beware! It is coming to fruition and only those who stay awake and aware can navigate. The STS forces are determined to quash awareness and the possibility of seeding a new reality.
Session 18 May 2019
(Pierre) I wanted to ask about Notre Dame de Paris. Was it an accident?
A: No
Q: (Pierre) Now, a lot of conspiracy theories are about this massive real estate project, making money, etc. What was the fundamental motive of this arson at Notre Dame?
A: Destruction of symbol: Our Lady Mother, i.e. Earth.
Q: (Pierre) I noticed often in those false flag operations they have prepared in advance a conspiracy theory for the mass audience. Here the conspiracy theory is money. It's about getting oil, getting fancy buildings. But really, behind that, the real perpetrators are working on deeper things like symbols, ideologies, feelings.
(L) Symbols are so important. It's like the movie V for Vendetta. He was talking about Parliament as a symbol.
(Chu) It's the collective unconscious. And how did they do it? Was it thermite or what?
A: Normal fire elements. It didn't take more than that.
Q: (L) Accelerant of some sort. And then it's in such a place that it's hard to get any firefighters in there, and there were delays. So, is it possible that STS forces were controlling the minds and hearts of the people involved setting the fire and dealing with the fire?
A: Yes!!
Q: (L) Okay, any other questions?
(Pierre) But it was not a normal citizen thinking...
(L) No, it was controlled individuals.
(Pierre) Isolated individuals, or intelligence group organized?
(L) I would say it's probably what we call the crypto-geographic thing working on a lot of people.
(Pierre) Not Mossad?
(L) I don't think it has to be Mossad all the time.
(Pierre) It feels very cabalistic here. Christianity is the old time enemy.
(Joe) If it's social engineering, if it's an attempt to affect the mass mind by destroying one of the symbols, that would play into the...
(Pierre) Let's ask: Who did it?
A: Not one entity. Fire was set by manipulated Muslim group.
Q: (L) And who was manipulating the group?
A: Your favorite STS intel agency.
Q: (Joe) Mossad?
A: Yes
Q: (Pierre) Yeah.
(Joe) It was basically a terror attack.
A: Yes
Q: (Joe) It's the same modus operandi: a bunch of manipulated Muslims.
(Pierre) But this time, unlike similar scenarios, the media didn't point the finger immediately to some Muslim terrorists. It would have been a perfect opportunity to further demonize the Muslims and push up the clash of civilizations. Why didn't they offer to the public audience a Muslim patsy?
(L) Well, in case you haven't noticed, they haven't been doing that so much lately After the last couple of Muslim incidents like the Charlie Hebdo and Muhammed Merah, everything got turned around! Now Muslims are the oppressed! They are a protected species!
(Joe) The agenda over the past number of years has been to create in the minds of Western Christians the idea that Muslims are evil terrorists. And then whenever the programmed people rise up and say, "Muslims are evil! We don't want them here!" the manipulators tell them that they're evil racists and they should shut up. So, people have already kind of assumed that it was Muslims...
(L) They put them in this situation because it's cognitive dissonance.
(Pierre) So they are so programmed into thinking these thought patterns that you don't have to give the patsy.
(Joe) There were so many other events around the ND fire about other Christian churches with fires or attacks. There was a lot of suggestion that Muslims were doing it.
(L) They have manipulated things around now to the point where Christianity can be basically demonized and destroyed after they'd already manipulated Christians to think that Muslims are terrorists. So now, they're the bad guys for thinking what they've been manipulated to think. They've essentially put themselves in the position of being subject to destruction.
(Chu) It's like a super-evil way of gaslighting people.
(L) It's insidious. As far as I can see, Islam and Judaism as they are practiced today based on what Israel Shahak wrote, those are the closest things to materialistic Satanism that I've ever seen. And I'm not whitewashing Christianity either, but there are some foundational things about it that were truly good and benevolent.
A: Yes
Q: (L) If people could get back to the original Paleochristianity then the world would be a different place. But you're certainly not going to get there by materialistic Darwinism.
(Pierre) But when you look at history with a lot of distance, the feeling I get is that the most fundamental dynamic is that: the destruction of Christianity. And all we see today is...
A: How do you propose that they could make it possible to destroy Christianity?
Q: (L) Well, exactly what they're doing. Set up an opposition and then defend the opponent as a downtrodden minority.
(Joe) The point is that... I mean, you have in your head that there's going to be some kind of clash of civilizations, but that doesn't seem to be the point. If you look at social media today, they've gotten to the point where Christians are denounced as basically atavistic racist backward nutjobs. When they...
(Artemis) I think they want to speak...
A: It was the plan all along. Beware! It is coming to fruition and only those who stay awake and aware can navigate. The STS forces are determined to quash awareness and the possibility of seeding a new reality.
Q: (L) So you're saying that - and I guess you've said it before - that the importance of tuning the antennae of a group of people, the importance of staying awake and aware, is because you then become a receiver for creative energies?
A: Yes yes yes!!!
Q: (Joe) Is it that people who have a certain awareness which is equivalent to information or ideas or conception of the world in their mind, that this contributes building blocks for a new reality?
A: It is not that those who endure to the end will be saved, but that those who endure to the end shall save others. It is your choice to be among those who choose to be a part of the vanguard of the new reality!!!
Goodbye.
(L) So that is basically being addressed to anybody who reads this session.
(Andromeda) It's not just surviving or enduring that's the point.
(L) It's to survive and serve others!
END OF SESSION
Going further back, there was about an election in the UK, but have we not seen similar tendencies in other European countries including Germany and France?
About the UK, are they trying a coup to replace the government in the UK? - Just getting the pathological types in.
Session 9 June 2009
Q: [...] (Craig) About the UK, are they trying a coup to replace the government in the UK?
A: Just getting the pathological types in.
Q: (J) That's what we suspected, ya know? Vin was saying it seemed like a cleaning, like they were getting rid of people with this scandal. [..]
A recent example:
Did the AfD really come second in the general election that took place in Germany last week? - No.
Session 1 March 2025
(Niall) I don't know exactly how to ask it. Did the AfD really come second in the general election that took place in Germany last week?
A: No.
Q: (Joe) Did they get most votes?
A: Yes.
Q: (Niall) It was rigged.
(Joe) Surprise, surprise...
(Niall) So that's interesting. That gives us an idea that the vox populi in Europe is the same, roughly, as in the US.
(Joe) Right. I think it's just being expressed.
(Andromeda) Yeah.
(Niall) So they're still rigging. Oh, Gaby, you mentioned this to me today. How come...? Well, do you want to ask it?
(Gaby) Well, how come that in the US abridging of free will is very dangerous, so the election cannot really be rigged, but in Europe it's fair game, with Le Pen, and now the AfD won, and they rig the election every time? Why?
(Niall) Well, they rigged it in the US but the abridging of free will was the assassination of Trump.
(Gaby) That's true.
(Joe) Yeah, rigging is allowed, you know? If they can get away with it, then...
In the case of Germany, the AfD may have some points that are true, but in general regarding the left vs right dichotomy, one has to be careful and take it case by case and step by step. For instance the Trump admin has said something that was true and to me reasonable, but on others, is he better than Biden or Obama? I don't think so. There was:
Do not get misled by labels because the right has similar tendencies
Session 9 June 2018
Q: (L) Well, is it accurate or correct to derive from this Jungian business some of the philosophical or psychological foundations of the current American liberal postmodern movement?
A: Indeed!
Q: (L) So some of Jung's ideas of the anima and animus and the hermaphroditic nature of the soul and so forth were foundational to the current liberal paradigm of sexual fluidity?
A: Yes. And notice well that this conflicts directly with objective reality.
Q: (L) Well, according to the postmodernists, there is no objective reality. They say that everything people think is completely culturally conditioned, and one truth is no more true than another truth or whatever.
A: That will backfire tragically. Think "Tower of Babel."
Q: (L) So, in other words, this whole postmodernist conception of there being no objective truth is similar to the attempt to build a Tower of Babel?
A: Yes.
Q: (Joe) The Tower of Babel was to be unable to speak the same language.
(Andromeda) It was to reach heaven.
(L) They were joining together to build this tower in order to reach heaven, and then God made them all speak different languages and scattered them all over. So the “unification of the masses” under the umbrella of Postmodernism has its own seeds of destruction of society contained within?
A: Right. Think of the strong fascist trend of the modern left.
Q: (L) Like the anti-smoking thing and trying to force vegetarianism, and “cultural diversity” and so forth. They have decided that they will arbitrate what people shall and shall not do under the guise of accepting all and anything that people might or might not do. It’s utterly bizarre. I'm trying to get through this Detmer book I'm reading about it but it’s difficult to imagine people coming up with things that are so retarded; I think it’s safe to say they are schizoid psychopaths because the thinking style is so characteristic. And they miss the big flaw: If everything is culturally conditioned or if there is no objective truth, then what a leftist says is equally culturally conditioned and as subject to the same conditions that what they say is not true either...
(Andromeda) Right. It should be...
(Pierre) The similarity with the Tower of Babel is that those people got together to become gods. It's the same as what the left is doing because they deny nature and the objective nature of the universe. And then they create “their” truth, and what they say is the truth, so they replace god.
(L) So in other words, this whole left attempt to take over our world is sort of what 2nd Thessalonians referred to as man attempting to take the seat of god in the temple, so to speak?
A: Yes. The Beast.
Q: (L) Okay, well that's pretty interesting; there’s a lot of beastliness in our world today. I was reminded when I was thinking about all of this postmodernism and this Jungian business about something that was said in a session back in 2002 or 2001 or whenever; it was about frequency resonance vibration. And then there were mentions in the transcripts about frequency resonance robots and frequency resonance pied pipers. Basically, then it was said that the plan was to get bodies to resonate in such a way that 4D STS could download directly - if only temporarily - into this reality. So, is that what is happening with a lot of these groups of leftists and postmodernists inspired by Jung and the postmodernist philosophers and sociologists?
A: Indeed. But do not get misled by labels because the right has similar tendencies.
A destructive influence in Germany has been the push for the Green agenda, which in also Ursula von der Leyen and the EU is promoting, though they recently appear to have have shifted gear to rearmament. What is the purpose, one may ask?
Destruction of lives.
Session 30 October 2021
Q: (Joe) What is driving global governments to officially pursue a transformation to green energy, dropping fossil fuels, and investing in renewables?
A: Destruction of lives.
We know about the Nord Stream bombing which served very nicely for the US and was cordially accepted as nothing of concern by the European vassals. It may connect also to the following comment about the East Palestine train accident, though this case was from the US:
If you are going for terror, depopulation, and general mayhem, you gotta start somewhere.
Session 25 February 2023
(Joe) Just a follow-up on the East Palestine train accident: Was the reason that train was derailed on purpose to cause a toxic spill, was that in order to further left-right divisions in America?
A: Yes
Q: (Joe) That was the primary goal?
A: Not necessarily. If you are going for terror, depopulation, and general mayhem, you gotta start somewhere.
Q: (Joe) It had Biden not going there or paying any attention, but Trump went though. It's a Republican area, so commentators were saying, "Well, you voted Republican, so you don't get any help from the government."
(Pierre) You know the difference between the 94% and roughly the same number implemented by nature is the "triple-bad day". They're gonna be included amongst the casualties...
A: Yes Yes Yes
Q: (Pierre) Well, it was obvious to you, but not to me.
(L) Well, it's like in any kind of confrontational warfare-type situation: If there's a traitor who sells out his side to the other side, the side that he sells out to is never gonna trust him. They see he's been a traitor once. So, those elites who have sold out humanity to the hyperdimensional overlords or whatever, they can't be trusted. That's just my point of view, but maybe people who are like that by nature see it differently. I dunno.
Regarding terror, depopulation, and general mayhem, there was three years before Ukraine went to pieces:
Global revolution is desired by them exactly as Reed described. - Douglas Reed? As in “The Controversy of Zion”? - Yes.
Session 13 February 2011
(L) What's next? (Andromeda) Were the protests in Egypt orchestrated by the US and Israel?
A: No, but once started they certainly put their team in position. Global revolution is desired by them exactly as Reed described.
Q: (L) Douglas Reed? As in “The Controversy of Zion”?
A: Yes.
Q: (Andromeda) So that leads to the next question: How close are the Zionists to fulfilling their biblical end time scenario?
A: They expect things to ripen within two years.
Q: (Perceval) Is it possible that it's a preparation for a war of some description in the Middle East with Israel vs. the Arabs?
A: Possible but not likely as you imagine it.
So far more people have died in Ukraine than in the Middle East.
Some of the policies are pushed from "below". About the work of undergrounders, when on the surface:
Usually acting as "handlers" or agents provocateur - Is part of their mission or agenda to prepare the global population for revelation of aliens? - Partly, but also involved with depopulation agenda.
Session 29 July 2023
(Ze Germans) How many humans/humanoids from the underground civilization are on the surface of the Earth at the moment?
(L) Who asked this question?
(Chu) The Germans.
(L) Germans. They ask weird stuff like that. How many humans/humanoids from the underground? So, how many?
A: Varies with circumstances, but average is about 2 to 2.5 million.
Q: (Andromeda) Walking around up top.
(Joe) And do these people know who they are? I mean...
A: Of course!
Q: (Joe) Okay. And do they have a mission that they're aware of? Do they know why they're walking around?
A: Indeed. Usually acting as "handlers" or agents provocateur.
Q: (Joe) So from our perspective, their mission, it would be nefarious?
A: Yes
Q: (L) Are there any of them running that show over there in Ukraine?
A: Yes
Q: (L) Are there any of them handling members of the US government?
A: Yes
Q: (L) Handling high-level members of other governments?
A: Yes
Q: (L) Handling leaders of different types of, like, media or whatever, like influencers and such?
A: Yes yes yes
Q: (Joe) Are any of them on YouTube?
A: Yes
Q: (Joe) With large-follower channels?
A: Yes
Q: (Joe) Give us one name. [laughter]
A: No
Q: (Joe) Please. [laughter] Is part of their mission or agenda to prepare the global population for revelation of aliens?
A: Partly, but also involved with depopulation agenda.
Q: (Joe) So these people were born underground?
A: Yes
Q: (Andromeda) And raised underground?
A: Yes
Q: (Joe) And then appeared as adults on the surface, got a job...
A: Yes
Q: (Joe) And who made them?
A: Lizards in cahoots with STS Orions.
Q: (Joe) So these are human beings. They're functionally the same, as human as other human beings? Like biologically the same as other human beings, or not?
A: Some genetic tweaks. Most were harvested from human mothers and incubated.
Q: (Gaby) So this is part of the hybridization program that some experiencers or abductees recall?
A: Yes
Q: (Possibility of Being) Do they know good and evil the same way as we would understand it?
A: No
Q: (Joe) Are they - from our perspective - very much like mind-controlled beings in that sense? They don't have much free will?
A: Yes. And much like very efficient psychopaths.
Q: (L) Well.
(Joe) 2.5 million. They pop up and down.
(L) That's friendly.
(Joe) Where do they live normally when they're not on the surface? Where did they grow up and stuff?
A: Underground bases.
Q: (L) And they've described those.
(Ursus Minor) Who or what is making Netanyahu push Israel to the brink?
(L) I think we have that answer! [laughter] Already answered there! Is that something along the line of what these underground handlers would be doing?
A: Yes and also mind manipulation.
Q: (L) Well, some of these people, I swear, you know, I mean, I listen to some of these people, these crazy lefties or these governments, like the Schwab and Trudeau and Al Gore and John Kerry and all of these other people, you know, talking... And if they believe what they're saying, then they don't have enough intelligence to come in out of the rain. If they know that what they're saying is bullshit, then they are super, super evil.
(Andromeda) They're either super evil and lying, or super stupid and mind controlled.
(Joe) How long have these underground psychos been interfering with human affairs in this way?
A: Thousands of years.
Q: (L) That reminds me, remember when I asked the question about Sargon of Akkad? And they called him a deep level punctuator. Is that what a deep level punctuator is? Somebody who comes up and does stuff?
A: Yes
Q: (L) Well, I mean, 'does stuff' is pretty vague, but you... [laughter]
(Joe) Makes an impact.
(L) Yeah. Makes an impact on human society stuff.
(Niall) Did someone like him, Sargon of Akkad, thousands of years ago, emerge from a high-tech base and play a consciously evil role on the surface where he pretended to be an ancient?
A: They would be educated and trained in congruence with the society of the time. Memory wipe before implantation of mission. However, in earlier times the tech was not adequate so that the outcome was not always certain.
Q: (L) So you're saying that when they would take people and they would have them in underground bases or whatever, they would behave and dress and converse and everything, and the environment was matched to the environment on the surface more or less?
A: Yes
Q: (L) And before they would send somebody out and in some situations they would wipe their memories or, I mean... Are we talking about something that they would do when they were children and then send them to be raised in some way?
A: Some
Q: (L) And then you say that the outcome wasn't always certain because the tech wasn't adequate. You mean the manipulation tech, the hybridization tech?
A: Yes
Q: (L) The controlling of them kind of tech?
A: Yes
Q: (Joe) Why was that tech not adequate? I suppose maybe you had to have a certain infrastructure on the planet of technology in order to control them on the planet...
A: Yes
Q: (L) Okay. And then there's the other thing... Was it also partly because the bloodline had not been purified enough?
A: Yes
Q: (L) And you say the outcome wasn't certain. What do you mean by the outcome of their plan? What do you mean that it wasn't always certain?
A: Some of the subjects were not sufficiently "evil".
Q: (L) So in other words, they would maybe turn good and turn on their creators and masters?
A: Yes
Q: (Joe) Influenced by normal human society.
(L) Maybe they fell in love. [laughter] Romance novel!
(Niall) The vampire really was saved! [laughter]
(L) Oh, it could have happened, right?
(Joe) "Seven nights in a humanoid's bed." [laughter]
(Niall) So you're saying there's a chance... [laughter]
(L) Okay, next question:
Another perspective on the social turmoil promoted or brewing is that it is part of the cleansing process:
First there must be a cleansing
Session 30 December 2023
(L) But anyway, it has been one hell of a year, and I think we all know that, as I have said on many occasions, it can't go on forever. I mean, it just keeps getting worse and worse, but it can't go on forever. Andromeda wants to know when it's gonna come to a head?
A: First there must be a cleansing.
Q: (L) And what exactly is a cleansing?
A: Wait and see.
Q: (L) Will this cleansing occur in 2024?
A: In spaces.
Q: (L) "In spaces"... You mean like in some places and not others?
A: Yes
Q: (L) Okay, so it'll be spotty at the beginning?
A: Yes
About Douglas Reed there was also the following, which also addresses the elite push for control of the populations. It may be disheartening, but there is at the end:
So, what can we do, if anything? - Help others to be ready.
Session 21 November 2015
Q: (L) So I guess people want to ask some questions about this Paris deal. I would like to ask a general question about this. Well, they had this Paris bombing terrorist attack, and now all of a sudden it's being used to institute tighter controls over people and society in general in France. They're also warning that there are going to be more terror attacks. I hear that Anonymous is saying there are eight places that are possibly going to have terror attacks soon.
A: Some certainly will! But be aware that this is what we warned you about some time ago.
Q: (L) I guess that refers to the sessions that discussed mind programming and shooters going off all over the place at once. In other words, this is being done not so much by pure terrorists, but by the powers that be more or less? I mean, that they are ultimately behind the activity and it's being done with the intention of being able to institute tighter controls over the population?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So basically, it's a gigantic freaking false flag attack?
A: Somewhat. Though be aware that there are "real" terrorists.
Q: (L) So there are real terrorists, but I imagine the reason there are real terrorists is because they've been made to become terrorists by this long drawn-out social destabilization operation that's been going on for god knows how long to completely muck up the whole freaking world. I mean, Douglas Reed was right!
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Yes, everybody ought to read “Controversy of Zion” and understand that it’s not just about Zionism, it’s about psychopaths. Alright then. Anybody have any questions about that?
A: We told you that Nazi Germany was a "practice run".
Q: (L) Yes, you did. But we couldn’t even conceive of what that meant or how it would play out. You also told us about mass control by cops with stun guns and more. Everybody is being herded into finer and finer orders of control, and it just doesn't look very... it doesn't look very hopeful from any angle.
(Pierre) And there's a demonized population as well.
(L) Yeah, just like there was in Nazi Germany. Back then it was Jews, and now it's other Semites, i.e. Arabs and Muslims. They got rid of the Semitic Jews during the holocaust and most of what is left are the Khazarian Jews. Now, they are going after the Semitic Arabs.
(Chu) And they want to make "Retention Camps", or concentration camps.
(L) Yeah, now they're talking about building camps...
(Data) They don't call them concentration camps. They call them "hot spots".
(L) It's Nazi Germany all over again, only it's freakin' global!
(Andromeda) That's pretty depressing.
A: Yes. It will pass when the big changes come.
Q: (L) And I'm assuming you mean cosmic changes like Earth changes?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And we notice that the weather... I mean, you said that all of this stuff was going to manifest as weather first, and it certainly is manifesting as weather first. Just about everything that was said back in many of the early sessions is happening now. It took 20 years to get there, but it's here. It's now.
(Perceval) Does that mean that terrorism and terrorists will be the last thing on the authorities' minds?
A: Naturally so. But be aware that they have been misled too!
Q: (L) So even the PTB are running their operations based on wishful thinking; they think that they're setting things up to create their global empire, and they don't even know that earth changes or serious climate changes are going to happen that will knock their global empire off its foundation. Is that it?
A: Yes
Q: (L) I mean, what else can you think when they built something like that seed bank in Svalbard, Norway? They actually think they're going to have access to it? Where are the firing neurons on that one?!
(Pierre) It means they see something coming if they made that seed bank. But obviously, they don't have the global picture; they don’t see what is REALLY coming.
(L) They don't have the whole picture.
A: Exactly.
Q: (L) So, what can we do, if anything?
A: Help others to be ready.
"Help others to be ready"
The following excerpt is from one of the early sessions and is a discussion of crop circles, I don't think the project ever matured as discussed, you can read the context in the session, if interested, but the point here is that there should be millions who want to know the answers on the eve of the Grand Cycle Transformation. Some of them could be migrants, some could be residents of their native countries, but they are here on this planet.
Session 30 November 1996
A: We are compiling an almanac as well as a manual for the entire Terran population there. The reason we are doing this, is that there are millions who want to know the answers on the eve of the Grand Cycle Transformation. However, there are precious few that have chosen to try this form of communication, thus opening up a conduit.
Back to initial question
Could they be doing this to use against the public and not Russia (or not only Russia)?
The short answer: Yes they could, - for many of the reasons given in this post.
Here are the first images taken in France of the fireball that crossed the south of the country on March 24, 2025 at 5:53 a.m.
: Vision-Environment, via YouTube.
https://ice.csic.es/news/citizen-s
