Mass Shootings

The vehicle didn't have a scratch on it, and wasn't the kind of vehicle that could house eighteen (the two other victims were allegedly standing in the way of the run away vehicle). Also: the chances of every single person being killed in such an unlikely accident (on a fairly quiet, country thoroughfare) is virtually nil. But, as usual, with no real investigation, the public consumed the story as just another tragic occurrence, and moved on, paying little attention to the fact that the owner of the limo company this operation was obviously targeting was a Pakistani informant for the FBI.
The limo involved in the Schoharie crash was mangled:

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There has since been an investigation into the accident. It looks like the brakes failed as it came to an intersection at the foot of a hill. Granted, the owner of the limo company being at one point an FBI terror informant is a strange detail:

The owner, Pakistani immigrant Shahad Hussein, is no stranger to legal trouble. When he was working for the DMV in the 1990s, Hussein ran a scam where he would take bribes from prospective drivers to ensure they passed their driving tests. The FBI arrested Hussein for the scam in 2002, but took him on as a confidential informant instead of charging him. Hussein first recorded corruption at the DMV, then infiltrated local mosques. The FBI paid Hussein a handsome salary for his work, which led to the arrests of four men planning on bombing a New York City synagogue and Jewish center.

Also, one wonders what politics lie behind the spat between the NTSB and the local DA/State Police over granting the federal agency permission to inspect the vehicle:

The continuing criminal investigation created tensions over access to the vehicle, with the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which investigates transportation accidents in order to determine their cause and recommend safety improvements, having complained that the state police did not allow NTSB staff to examine the wrecked vehicle for several months.

The manslaughter trial against Hussein is ongoing although, like everything else, it's currently on hold due to Corona1984.
 
The limo involved in the Schoharie crash was mangled:

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There has since been an investigation into the accident. It looks like the brakes failed as it came to an intersection at the foot of a hill. Granted, the owner of the limo company being at one point an FBI terror informant is a strange detail:



Also, one wonders what politics lie behind the spat between the NTSB and the local DA/State Police over granting the federal agency permission to inspect the vehicle:



The manslaughter trial against Hussein is ongoing although, like everything else, it's currently on hold due to Corona1984.

Only problem is, that is NOT the vehicle. Not even close. It's the image they are using NOW. (So, yeah, there could be some problems with the proper agencies inspecting the vehicle!)

Also, even if it were a "terrible" accident -- and, at the time, the photos (there were several, none of them the same vehicle even! -- the chances of twenty people ALL being killed is -- well, just think about it. No survivors AT ALL?? Not to mention the fact that the vehicle described at the time was not able to house the eighteen passengers, who were described as a wedding party -- I mean, it's not like they were smuggling illegal aliens and cramming them in!

Also: just as we're seeing with this Coronavirus situation, there was a problem with the bodies and the hospitals; witness accounts that there were no bodies, and no activity at the nearby hospitals. With this large number of bodies (for one accident) one might expect a hospital to be involved, since sending bodies on to funeral homes, etc., takes some coordination, with the families involved, etc. Also: no emergency triage situation was set up at the scene of the accident -- even if just to confirm death. It was as if a very vital stage -- that of recovering bodies, laying them out, using emergency vehicles to get the bodies where they needed to go -- was entirely missing.

Of course, I'm sure you can NOW find information "explaining" that away too. Still, maybe you're beginning to understand my basic point: look into these events close to the time of the incident, take specific notes, and try to update your links, or you will see it all disappear, and the entire event made to seem "investigated" etc. Don't forget what the virtual community did with the Pentagon re: 9/11. I even knew a D.P. on a film crew who was down there within two weeks of the event, and guess what he saw first hand? There was absolutely no evidence that a plane was involved. I don't recall what the film project was -- he was working for hire -- but there was a lot of footage of that site taken at the time with no one in the media asking some very obvious questions such as: where the hell are the engines, the landing gear, wings, any kind of airplane debris? The only debris in evidence had to do with the building itself. With Schoharie, a favorite image repeatedly used by the media was an old tire by the creek where the vehicle allegedly had landed -- a tire that looked like it had been there for ages, and had nothing to do with the "recent crash." That's how lazy and inept the media are: and yet they get away with this crap since there is no real oversight -- just some very frustrated Youtube researchers!

I will try to hunt down the links I used for Schoharie (several year ago now) once I get my other computer cleaned and working. Hopefully, I can still trace some of that material, especially that of one researcher whose information you would find not only helpful, but intriguing, since the "tentacles" on this one lead in some very strange directions. But without the researcher's name, I can't find his thread on Twitter. "Schoharie limo crash" is not a specific enough search to find it unfortunately (and for obvious reasons).
 
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The only debris in evidence had to do with the building itself.

Actually (again, concerning the Pentagon and 9/11), I recall some plane part was "added" to the debris field at some point (too much rumbling on the matter, I guess).
 
Oh, something else suspicious about this whole event is how the officials knew straight away that one assailant did all these shootings. It seems premature of them to state this with such certainty. And yet, similar to what happened on 9/ll when CNN was reporting that day that Osama Bin Laden was responsible, these officials seem to know the entire story in advance. So, it's a pattern with these operations, this impossible disclosing of the facts of the case instantaneously.

Also: there's this automatic move to the mourning/memorializing phase -- before any vital questions are answered, or any real investigation pursued.

So, that's where my mind went to as I tried to sort things out immediately after hearing about the incident. Time may tell where I might be right, and where I'm missing something, or where I've gotten it entirely wrong. If anyone here would like to add to what I've got here, or suggest an alternative version, etc., we could piece it together more as more comes out on all this.

I think it's interesting that a shooting should happen in the midst of the Coronavirus lock down. I mean, it would start to seem strange if what the public considers "random" shootings were to suddenly stop just because our countries are in lock down. After all, that would be to suggest that these "crazy" shooters were taking a break for a while, sticking to their homes, and practicing social distancing (!).

Heather, the above summation you created is really good. Those are pretty much the same questions about the details and timelines provided by the CBC and RC's that I have.

A couple of other things I noticed that are really unusual about this case that might be of some value:

Where I live (Winnipeg - same size as Halifax), we've had three police shootings in the past two weeks with two fatalities (one being a teenage girl). I can never remember that aggressive of police action here over such a tight time span. We tend to be known as the "murder capital of Canada", but police killings of civilians are unusual. Especially strange is that none of the people shot were particularly hardened, well-known criminals.

If as the C's say - that the virus can enhance both positive, empathic tendencies in certain people and enhance the exact opposite in the petty tyrants, then police farther down the authoritarian scale may be snapping at a greater rate right now (never mind the tense social conditions).

Another aspect of the Nova Scotia shooting that doesn't add up. Decalling an entire cruiser with the proper multi-colour decals and then applying them is an expensive, time-consuming job that requires pro equipment and an installer. No company would do this. The point of decalling the car to match a cruiser would instantly draw suspicion that someone would be up to something illegal. It would be easily traced to the exact shop by an analysis of the stock/inventory and inks used.

The killer's forensic counter-measures (intense, immediate destruction of evidence through arson) and perceived randomness of targets over an almost 18 hour period to avoid capture are on a level that no one has previously been able to accomplish in Canadian crime history. The silence from the authorities while this extended chase was going on is suspicious - usually the more dramatic the chase - the more info. The 3 hours between announcing "suspect apprehended" and "shooter is dead" is perhaps the strangest of the details.

IMO a 51 year-old denturist unknown to police for his whole life with no apparent motive - is not a likely subject to execute a crime on this level. Wouldn't the whole narrative make much more sense without a "fake" car and a "fake" uniform? I was watching an old "Police Story" episode from the 70's last week where the fictional L.A. cops had one of their own go rogue and no one on the force could tell the public of the threat until the lead actor in the story could take him out. One of the rogue cop's victims became the "lone wolf" perp and the cop who suffered the psychotic break became a hero/victim.

Imagine a scenario where the government (in the middle of a tense lock down/largest economic decline in the nation's history) had to deal with a rogue police shooting spree like the one portrayed in Police Story. The public would lose complete faith in authority if it ever came out. Hopefully, I'm completely wrong, but all the run of local shootings recently here locally, made the speculation seem a lot more plausible then it would have been a month ago.
 
Heather, the above summation you created is really good. Those are pretty much the same questions about the details and timelines provided by the CBC and RC's that I have.

A couple of other things I noticed that are really unusual about this case that might be of some value:

Where I live (Winnipeg - same size as Halifax), we've had three police shootings in the past two weeks with two fatalities (one being a teenage girl). I can never remember that aggressive of police action here over such a tight time span. We tend to be known as the "murder capital of Canada", but police killings of civilians are unusual. Especially strange is that none of the people shot were particularly hardened, well-known criminals.

If as the C's say - that the virus can enhance both positive, empathic tendencies in certain people and enhance the exact opposite in the petty tyrants, then police farther down the authoritarian scale may be snapping at a greater rate right now (never mind the tense social conditions).

Another aspect of the Nova Scotia shooting that doesn't add up. Decalling an entire cruiser with the proper multi-colour decals and then applying them is an expensive, time-consuming job that requires pro equipment and an installer. No company would do this. The point of decalling the car to match a cruiser would instantly draw suspicion that someone would be up to something illegal. It would be easily traced to the exact shop by an analysis of the stock/inventory and inks used.

The killer's forensic counter-measures (intense, immediate destruction of evidence through arson) and perceived randomness of targets over an almost 18 hour period to avoid capture are on a level that no one has previously been able to accomplish in Canadian crime history. The silence from the authorities while this extended chase was going on is suspicious - usually the more dramatic the chase - the more info. The 3 hours between announcing "suspect apprehended" and "shooter is dead" is perhaps the strangest of the details.

IMO a 51 year-old denturist unknown to police for his whole life with no apparent motive - is not a likely subject to execute a crime on this level. Wouldn't the whole narrative make much more sense without a "fake" car and a "fake" uniform? I was watching an old "Police Story" episode from the 70's last week where the fictional L.A. cops had one of their own go rogue and no one on the force could tell the public of the threat until the lead actor in the story could take him out. One of the rogue cop's victims became the "lone wolf" perp and the cop who suffered the psychotic break became a hero/victim.

Imagine a scenario where the government (in the middle of a tense lock down/largest economic decline in the nation's history) had to deal with a rogue police shooting spree like the one portrayed in Police Story. The public would lose complete faith in authority if it ever came out. Hopefully, I'm completely wrong, but all the run of local shootings recently here locally, made the speculation seem a lot more plausible then it would have been a month ago.

Hi. Jtucker.

I guess it's to put one's speculations on one side of the board, so to speak; and to put what you believe to be "facts" (although that's not always easy to determine) on the other side. As you move along, it's to see where the two sides might actually link up.

I think one thing to keep in mind is that all these mass shootings are very likely to betray the same hand -- the same mindset, in other words -- germane to one overall program, no matter how many intelligence agencies and/or police departments (who by now have intelligence operatives imbedded in them) may be involved.

For those who have researched MKULTRA, for example, you see how the CIA mind control operation (1953-64) was working with figures such as Ewen Cameron, out of McGill University, along with the Allan Memorial Institute, both in Montreal. In other words, these secret programs often transcend national borders, with MKULTRA having at that time been in full swing up in Canada.

For those of you who listened to Joe Rogan's recent interview with Tim O'Neill regarding his book: "Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties," you may have noticed O'Neill's stating that for the CIA to operate domestically was entirely illegal to begin with -- of course, that's precisely what they were doing. But with that in mind, it just occurred to me that perhaps one of the reasons they were up in Canada with MKULTRA had to do with just such technicality. Not that they weren't also working that program in the U.S., but perhaps there was less red tape involved outside the country.

In any case, to get back to what I was saying, as you do this kind of research you start to recognize the "mind" behind it. That's why I suggested with Nova Scotia that, as is typical with these operations, there are professional operatives involved along with the usual patsy/assailant, who may or may not have been triggered, and who may or may not have actually killed anyone. Nevertheless, this particular patsy (Gabriel Wortman) was, for some reason, in their sights: that's key. Intelligence people seem to choose people to mess with who are in their sights. So, maybe some further research into just who this Wortman person was, what precisely he did with his time, who he might have come in contact with, could possibly yield something of interest to this case. This then could also indicate where to dig further.

Right now I am bogged down in a lot of other projects (including working with my husband on our never ending "fixer upper" of a house!), so I'm not sure I want to go much further with this particular incident as far as in depth research goes. Still, as I've been writing these posts I've been thinking that maybe my attempting to share here how one might go about this kind of research might be useful to some of you, since I've done quite a bit of it in the past -- sometimes in relation to the fiction writing I'm doing, as well as other art related projects.

Of course, what's great here (as opposed to so much of the internet) is to have this open minded forum where these things can be discussed with even handedness, and intelligence.
 
So, maybe some further research into just who this Wortman person was, what precisely he did with his time, who he might have come in contact with, could possibly yield something of interest to this case. This then could also indicate where to dig further.
As I re-read my last post -- particularly what I've quoted above -- it had me wondering just how one would go about getting such detailed information about Wortman (!). Certainly a detective could, but how would one do that online with the basic, search engine tools at our disposal? I'm afraid I may have been a little too ambitious with that! Although, I suppose you could look for clues by reading lots of seemingly similar accounts, since sometimes little details crop up that way.
 
Only problem is, that is NOT the vehicle. Not even close. It's the image they are using NOW. (So, yeah, there could be some problems with the proper agencies inspecting the vehicle!)
You might have seen a photo of the other vehicle, the silver SUV, which the Ford Excursion limo hit in the parking lot before it ended up in the creek beyond that.

The main discrepancy I see is that images of the limo being pulled out of the creek show more of the (right-side) doors 'intact', while the above photo of the wreck shows just the last three intact. However, it's likely they cut away a number of doors afterwards, especially considering their description of the engine having ended up in the middle of the vehicle.

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The news in Canada is about as managed and skinny as it gets, and so are the details. A lot of horrible things went down in a most bizarre way with evidence being held close and headlines mostly echoing each other and hardly a full picture has emerged.

This reminded me of another shooting in Ottawa half a dozen years ago - read here. Later, a book was produced about it that looked into the initial reports prior to the narratives being adjusted. That book was by Prof. Graeme MacQueen who had also authored a book about the Anthrax Deception (see interview on SoTT.net here) with his book on the Ottawa Shooting here (it was a very surprising read) and an article about it by Barrie Zwicker.

What do we have with this guy, the denturist, with a mocked up cop car and carnage on his mind. What did he shoot with, had he had psychiatric care - not much to know yet.

Last summer in Canada we had the two BC boys who went on a rampage that no one really new what was going on.

All very strange stuff.
 
Among the incidents in Nova Scotia last Saturday was this:

Evacuation centre peppered with bullets morning of Nova Scotia mass shooting
Graeme Benjamin, Global News, 22 April 2020

Nova Scotia’s police watchdog is investigating why two uniformed officers were shooting in the direction of a fire hall in Onslow being used as a place of refuge the morning of the shooting rampage.

In a statement to Global News, Nova Scotia Serious Incident Response Team (SiRT) interim director Pat Curran said the team is investigating the discharge of firearms by two RCMP officers near the Onslow-Belmont Fire Hall about 10:30 a.m. on Sunday morning.

“At this point we don’t what they were shooting at,” Curran said. “We do know that the shooter was not in that area at that time.”

The Onslow Belmont Fire Hall is located about 25 kilometres east of Portapique, N.S., where a gunman began his deadly rampage that spanned over 12 hours and killed at least 22 people this past weekend.

In a Facebook post Wednesday morning, the Onslow Belmont Fire Brigade confirmed its building sustained “considerable damage” as a result of the situation.

It also took one of the fire station’s trucks out of service
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“The hall was used to provide a place where residents could come take a break, register and get hotel and Red Cross information,” the fire brigade said in the post.

The brigade said there was an RCMP officer and cruiser staged on its property to assist with evacuation registration.

They said multiple people were at the fire hall when the shots rang out.

“Our video surveillance does not capture the shooters but does show two people resembling RCMP officers enter our property, one to the front and one to the rear,” the Facebook post said.

“One of these people enters our hall at the front but no one sheltered inside the hall spoke with the people, person resembling the RCMP officer so we cannot confirm why they were there.”

The statement, which has since been deleted, added that no one identified themselves as RCMP officers.

“They left our property shortly after the gunfire,” the post concluded. “We have since been contacted by SiRT and are cooperating with their ongoing investigation.

“Fortunately, no one was physically injured.”

The Onslow Belmont Fire Brigade says it deleted the post because it “never intended to instigate conspiracy theories or confirm anything about a shooter still at large.”

“The comments posted on our site were not where we had hoped the discussions would go so we have removed the post,” the second post reads.

I bet they weren't.

Vi O’Riley, who lives down the road from the fire hall, says she heard a loud bang Sunday morning.

“I went into the living room to look out the window and there was two policemen running across the street with some big guns,” she said. “One went toward the fire hall and one sort of sat in the ditch.”

O’Riley says they left a short time later. She says the disturbing part was that she didn’t receive any sort of alert as to what was happening.

“If there was someone out here shooting, we weren’t told. There was no alarm, which they usually have one,” she said.

“I was shaken up.”

During the manhunt for the shooter, Nova Scotia RCMP were providing updates on the search through their Twitter account. An emergency alert was not sent out to residents.

Premier Stephen McNeil said Tuesday that the province was notified of the situation at around midnight Sunday. He said the province had its Emergency Management Office staff on hand but did not receive a request from the RCMP to issue an alert.

The SiRT investigation into the two RCMP officers allegedly discharging their firearms is separate from their other investigation, which involves the killing of the suspect outside a gas station in Enfield.

Looks like another coordinated multi-site terror attack then.
 
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More info on the victime in this article.


The RCMP are defending a decision not to send out a public alert until late in a gunman’s 12-hour rampage through rural Nova Scotia, in what has become the deadliest mass shooting in Canadian history.

On Wednesday, provincial RCMP Chief Supt. Chris Leather said police were in the process of crafting an alert for the province’s emergency notification system when the killer – who The Globe and Mail has learned had drawn up a list of names of people to target – was gunned down Sunday.

The decision to finally issue an alert came many hours after the province activated its Emergency Management Office (EMO), which had contacted police multiple times about sending an alert but never received a request from the RCMP to do so.



Chief Supt. Leather said delays within the chain of command slowed their ability to get an urgent message out.

“You can appreciate that a series of phone calls had to be made to find the officer in charge that evening and to speak to the serious incident commander to have the conversation about the issuing of a message,” he said. “A lot of the delay was based on communications between the EMO and the various officers – and then a discussion about how the message would be constructed and what it would say.”



The RCMP initially chose to spread the information via Twitter, instead of a system that would have sent warnings out to cellphones across the province. It’s not clear why the RCMP changed their approach and decided to plan to use the provincial alert network.

(THIS MAKE NO SENSE)


Families of some victims have wondered aloud whether some of the 22 people killed over the weekend may have been spared if more people had known a gunman was on the loose.

(OBVIOUSLY)

The Chief Superintendent, however, said he was “very satisfied” with the messaging that went out to officers and to the public on Twitter, and reiterated that those involved in the response were processing information that was changing very quickly.

(FIRE THAT GUY)

“Twitter allowed our information to be shared, followed and broadcast by local, provincial and national news outlets,” Chief Supt. Leather said. “From that initial call, our response was dynamic and fluid, with members using their training to assess what was going on while encountering the unimaginable."

While Nova Scotians found out a killer was on the loose through social media or phone calls from friends, the U.S. Consulate in Halifax sent e-mail alerts to its citizens warning of the danger.


The Globe learned Wednesday that the gunman had gathered a list of people to target, according to one of his would-be victims.

Refusing to name the Nova Scotia mass shooter avoids one problem – but creates another

Will the rampage in Nova Scotia prove to be a pivotal moment in Canadian gun control?

‘Completely heartbroken’: Nova Scotian athletes reflect on the shooting that struck their home province

Nathan Staples, a man from Glenholme, N.S., who lives about 15 minutes from where the killing began Saturday night, said investigators told him Tuesday that they found his name on a list obtained when the RCMP searched the Portapique property of the shooter, a 51-year-old denturist.

Mr. Staples believes this is why a heavily armed tactical officer appeared at his home after midnight Saturday, while the killer was still on the loose, having evaded police while driving a look-alike RCMP cruiser and wearing an officer’s uniform. His neighbours did not have a similar visit, he said.

“The investigator said I was seventh or eighth on the list. I didn’t know what to think,” Mr. Staples said. “He came to apologize. He said ‘we’re sorry we couldn’t have been there quicker.’ That’s when I got angry.”

He and the shooter once shared an interest in old police cars, but Mr Staples says he can’t guess why gunman Gabriel Wortman would have had him on a list – other than a few months earlier, he had declined to sell a used police car to him. The RCMP said they couldn’t discuss any specifics of their investigation.

There are growing questions around others areas of the Mounties’ manhunt – including how the killer managed to evade police for as long as he did, escaping a perimeter around the initial shootings.



How was this allowed to happen?” Mr. Staples said. “How could they not stop it? How could this go on for more than 12 hours, when this guy was still out there, shooting people? This was a royal screw-up.”

Police have determined that the gunman acted alone. But investigators are still trying to learn whether anyone assisted him leading up to the incident, and declined to reveal the type of guns used by the shooter.

At times during the chaotic hours after the shootings began, it wasn’t always clear who police were chasing. At one point during the manhunt, two Mounties shot bullets into a fire hall in Lower Onslow, N.S. The hall was being used as a Red Cross registration centre for evacuees from the Portapique area
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(OBVIOUSLY HE HAD ASSISTANCE)

While no one was injured, that incident is now under investigation by the civilian oversight agency for police in Nova Scotia.

“We don’t know what they were shooting at,” said Pat Curran, interim director of the Serious Incident Response Team (SIRT), an independent body that investigates police actions. “We just know that the suspect was not in the area at that time.”

Four people, including one evacuee from Portapique Beach Road and Onslow Belmont Fire Brigade Chief Greg Muise, were inside the fire hall when gunfire exploded into the building Sunday at 10:30 a.m.



The RCMP has declined to answer questions about what happened. For the past two days, calls from the public have lit up Mr. Muise’s phone.

(THEY NEED TIME TO BUID UP A STORY LINE)

“I shouldn’t be the one getting calls,” Mr. Muise said. “[RCMP] should be the ones putting it out and letting people know what happened and they seem to be lagging on it.”

A streak of more than a dozen bullet holes perforate the white vinyl siding near the front entrance of the hall, where flags flew at half-mast. The east side of the building was also hit, and bullets shattered the front windshield of a fire truck.

Mr. Muise said the gunman was caught on video travelling past the fire hall, which is 28 kilometres east of Portapique, before the shootout.

“All I know is our building was shot up and I was never told who did the firing,” he said.

SIRT is also asking RCMP for clarification on injuries to a civilian during the initial shootings and arson when the killings started around Mr. Wortman’s rural home in Portapique.



One man who drove to the scene to help Saturday night had his vehicle fired upon – causing injuries that sent him to hospital. He was treated and released, but declined to talk about what happened.

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RCMP officers maintain a checkpoint on a road Portapique, N.S. on Wednesday, April 22, 2021.

Andrew Vaughan/The Canadian Press


Family of volunteer firefighter Corrie Ellison, who was among those killed Saturday night, wondered whether an emergency alert could have saved lives. They’re still looking for answers.

“We don’t really know a whole lot about what happened,” said Ellison’s aunt, Doris Ellison. “This has been an awful shock to the family.”

Police, meanwhile, are trying to piece together the connection between the victims, some of whom knew the killer, and some who appeared to have no connection at all. Among the victims are Lisa McCully, a school teacher, who rented a cottage from him on an adjacent property in Portapique. She was one of 13 neighbours killed in the area immediately surrounding the gunman’s home, as he lit houses on fire and shot people outside.

In some cases, the gunman drove significant distances to find his victims. Shawn McLeod, a former hunting buddy, was killed along with his wife, Alanna Jenkins, at their house in Wentworth, more than 50 kilometres from the killer’s home in Portapique. Their neighbour, Tom Bagley, was killed when he ran over to help Sunday morning.

Gina Goulet, a fellow denturist, was killed at her bungalow in the countryside outside Shubenacadie, more than 75 kms away from Portapique. It was also in Shubenacadie that the killer was in a shootout with the RCMP – a violent exchange that left Constable Heidi Stevenson dead and another Mountie injured. He wasn’t stopped until he reached Enfield, about half an hour north of Halifax, where two officers shot him dead.



Other shootings appeared to be completely random, including Lillian Hyslop, shot while walking her dog, a father named Joey Webber, out Sunday morning to get some furnace oil, and three people pulled over at the side of the road.

Cyndi Starratt is one of the few people who live on Portapique Beach Road who survived. She was in Truro at her daughter’s house that night, and said she’s lucky to be alive.

“I’d like to think he wouldn’t have hurt us,” she said. “But I can’t put myself inside his head. They were all good folks that he killed.”

With a report from The Canadian Press

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You might have seen a photo of the other vehicle, the silver SUV, which the Ford Excursion limo hit in the parking lot before it ended up in the creek beyond that.

The main discrepancy I see is that images of the limo being pulled out of the creek show more of the (right-side) doors 'intact', while the above photo of the wreck shows just the last three intact. However, it's likely they cut away a number of doors afterwards, especially considering their description of the engine having ended up in the middle of the vehicle.

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The problem here is veracity of photo. This photo you're showing here was not the favored photo at the time. Actually, you're jogging my memory now. I believe this photo eventually did show up, and it cracked me up since it didn't look anything like the two initial photos used for the "crash" (and, as you see, they themselves don't even match each other):

Photo Number 1:

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Photo Number 2:

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On top of that, to advertise the "official" videos on Youtube talking about the accident, there were tiny thumbnail photos of horrific looking accidents that didn't even bear any resemblance to the conditions of the "crash" -- one showing a devastating limo crash that took place in the middle of a major highway -- and when you went to look at the video in order to see more about the crash itself, you just saw pictures of the deceased and their families: the usual mourning/memorial stuff. No images of the crash at all.

Also: the first image you showed me of the mangled limo truck: I noticed not long ago on the news, since one of the families was suing the limo company and so the Schoharie "crash" came up once again, but I noticed they tried a new tactic as far as photos go: they took the mangled limo truck photo you showed me and "flashed" it across the screen during the news report so that you only saw it for -- I don't know, a few seconds? It was as if the image couldn't bear too much scrutiny, especially since, to those familiar with the case, it's a brand new photo never used before.

It's just like what's going on with the Coronavirus and hospitals. If the news HAD the kind of documentation that would scare the bejesus out of people -- hospitals filled with dying patients, bodies being carted away, even overflowing onto the streets where they await transport -- they of course would use this material. But the "planners" learned something very interesting along the way about propaganda: you don't even need the images. If you tell people a million times over there's a plague, and you have official looking people showing you all these charts, and having them talking about "mitigating" and "granular" such 'n such, and "flattening the curve" -- oh, and notice how they've inserted the word "surveillance" in such a way that we are meant to like the idea of surveillance now, since it's protecting us from this hideous virus -- then add to those things the sad "human interest" stories about people affected by the whole situation... so, yeah, if you have all that, they realized that's all you really need. You don't need "real" documentation!

But God help you if you hear of this "horrific" accident (that was the word they liked to use over and over again with Schoharie, which is interesting given the town itself sounds rather like "scary") and you say to yourself: 20 people killed in one automobile accident?? THIS I gotta see. Only, you don't ever "see" it. No matter how much you look into it, there's no real documentation, and the fake documentation they do provide doesn't add up.

I believe this is the "lone tire" shot they liked to use at the time. Or, news wise, you'd have a newscaster standing by the creek where the crash allegedly happened, with a cutaway shot that showed this lone tire. And, honestly, with an unprecedented crash in which twenty people are killed, this is all you really need:


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What could be the reason to dress the killer in a police uniform at this time, when most are already overlaoded with fear from the corona1984. Do we need now to fear police officer or who they represent, our governing elite. Was this a shock to induce fear of people dress in uniform, fear of the autority.
 
Yes, that one's the silver SUV the limo crashed into on its way through the parking lot. The SUV was hit so hard, it instantly knocked dead two passers-by.


That's the limo. The back of it's on the left. Looks the same as the one I posted showing the vehicle being winched out of there.

On top of that, to advertise the "official" videos on Youtube talking about the accident, there were tiny thumbnail photos of horrific looking accidents that didn't even bear any resemblance to the conditions of the "crash" -- one showing a devastating limo crash that took place in the middle of a major highway --

That's normal. When you search for photos of this particular limo now, all sorts of images of crashed limos turn up.

It's just like what's going on with the Coronavirus and hospitals.

No it's not. In the case of hospitals without patients, we can agree that we both notice what's missing: lots of sick and dying people in hospitals. In the case of the Schoharie limo crash, I don't see your interpretation of the details.
 
What could be the reason to dress the killer in a police uniform at this time, when most are already overlaoded with fear from the corona1984. Do we need now to fear police officer or who they represent, our governing elite. Was this a shock to induce fear of people dress in uniform, fear of the autority.
I don't know, Laurentien2. But if you accept that we live under a form of govt that 'fits' with Lobaczewski's description of 'pathocracy', then a number of motivations are possible:

  • it was motivated by the fun of terrorizing people
  • it was motivated by opportunity to 'practice'
  • it was motivated for some 'socio-psychological' effect in the population

I had the thought that, perhaps, rural populations are likely to be less hystericized by COVID-19, so this is a means of 'corralling them'.

The problem with assessing motivation in these matters is that it's like looking into the mind of a psychopath to understand why he really does what he does; you'll turn mad yourself.
 

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