Mass Shootings
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Joe said:
When I was browsing through YouTube the other day to see what witnesses are saying, I saw a few videos pass by as I scrolled down with titles including things like ''actor present at scene'', ''worse actors ever'' or something like that. It seems they come up with this stuff every time there is a shooting.
duyunne
Jedi Council Member
Orlando can't seem to catch a break:
https://www.rt.com/usa/346667-orlando-fire-disney-smoke/
"A massive fire has erupted in Orlando, Florida – a city still rattled by Sunday’s mass shooting at a gay nightclub.
Construction materials caught fire on International Drive, just north of Walt Disney World, reported Orlando’s My News 13, citing the Orlando fire department."
"The fire was thought to have broken out at Wet ‘n Wild, the longest-operating water park in the US that has been an Orlando fixture for over 25 years."
https://www.rt.com/usa/346667-orlando-fire-disney-smoke/
"A massive fire has erupted in Orlando, Florida – a city still rattled by Sunday’s mass shooting at a gay nightclub.
Construction materials caught fire on International Drive, just north of Walt Disney World, reported Orlando’s My News 13, citing the Orlando fire department."
"The fire was thought to have broken out at Wet ‘n Wild, the longest-operating water park in the US that has been an Orlando fixture for over 25 years."
United Gnosis
Jedi Council Member
This clip is quite interesting too: a witness saying "They're shooting" implying myltiple gunmen, the audio clip of gunfire sounding like 2 semi-autos (shooting rate might sound like it's a single automatic, except that at the end when a first rifle runs out of bullets, you can hear the other one still shooting for a second - implying the rapid rate of fire was actually 2 semi-autos overlapping), and also a man yelling "Clear" at the end of his clip as if he had tactical training - of a higher level than I'd expect for a G4S rent-a-cop...
_https://www.intellihub.com/audio-clip-orlando-terror-attack/
_https://www.intellihub.com/audio-clip-orlando-terror-attack/
angelburst29
The Living Force
The website Cryptogon has pieced together some interesting facts, and a quite odd “coincidence.” I’m bolstering their work. ( Jon Rappoport )
Orlando Shooter: Deeper Hidden Ties to the FBI?
http://www.activistpost.com/2016/06/orlando-shooter-ties-to-the-fbi.html
First of all, the Orlando shooter, Omar Mateen, changed his name in 2006. As NBC News notes: “Records also show that he had filed a petition for a name change in 2006 from Omar Mir Seddique to Omar Mir Seddique Mateen.”
Why is that important? Why is his original last name, Seddique, also spelled Siddiqui, significant? Because of a previous terrorism case in Florida, in which the FBI informant’s name was Siddiqui. And because that previous case may have been one of those FBI prop-jobs, where the informant was used to falsely accuse a suspect of a terrorist act. The New Yorker (cited above) has details:
This is not the first time that the F.B.I. has attracted criticism from national-security experts and civil-liberties groups for generating terrorism cases through sting operations and confidential informants. In ‘The Imam’s Curse,’ published in September, I reported on a Florida family that was accused of providing ‘material support’ to terrorists. In that case, a father, Hafiz Khan, and two of his sons were arrested. The charges against the sons were eventually dropped, but Hafiz Khan was convicted and sentenced to twenty-five years in prison. At Khan’s trial, his lawyer, Khurrum Wahid, questioned the reliability of the key [FBI] informant in the case, David Mahmood Siddiqui. Wahid accused Siddiqui, who’d had periods of unemployment, of lying to authorities because his work as a confidential informant was lucrative. For his role in the case, Siddiqui had received a hundred and twenty-six thousand dollars, plus expenses. But in a subsequent interview with the Associated Press, Siddiqui stood by his testimony and motives: ‘I did it for the love of my country, not for money.’
The website Cryptogon, which pieced this whole story together, comments:
What are the odds that an FBI informant in a [previous] Florida terrorist case shares the same last name as the perpetrator of the worst mass shooting in U.S. history—also in Florida—[Omar Mateen] a lone wolf cop poser with multiple acknowledged contacts with the FBI, who was formerly listed on the terrorist watch list and associated with a suicide bomber… while holding a valid security guard license?
Indeed.
And in case you think Siddiqui is a common last name, here is a statement from Mooseroots:
Siddiqui is an uncommon surname in the United States. When the United States Census was taken in 2000, there were about 4,994 individuals with the last name “Siddiqui,” ranking it number 6,281 for all surnames. Historically, the name has been most prevalent in the Southwest, though the name is actually most common in Hawaii. Siddiqui is least common in the southeastern states.
If for some reason the name Siddiqui throws you off, suppose the last name was, let me make something up, Graposco? A few years ago, an FBI informant in Florida, Graposco, appeared to have falsely accused a man of terrorist acts—and in 2016, another Graposco, who changed that last name to something else, killed 50 people in a Florida nightclub shooting—after having been investigated twice by the FBI? Might that coincidence grab your attention?
Again—the 2016 Orlando shooter had extensive contact with the FBI in 2013 and 2014. The FBI investigated him twice and dropped the investigations. The FBI used an informant in a previous Florida case, and that informant had the same last name as the Orlando shooter. It’s quite possible the previous informant was told to give a false statement which incriminated a man for terrorist acts.
You can say this is a coincidence. Maybe it is. But it seems more than odd. Are the two Siddiqui men connected?
Was the Orlando shooter involved in some kind of FBI plan to mount a terror op that was supposed to be stopped before it went ahead, but wasn’t? Was the Orlando shooter “helped” over the edge from having “radical ideas” to committing mass murder?
Orlando Shooter: Deeper Hidden Ties to the FBI?
http://www.activistpost.com/2016/06/orlando-shooter-ties-to-the-fbi.html
First of all, the Orlando shooter, Omar Mateen, changed his name in 2006. As NBC News notes: “Records also show that he had filed a petition for a name change in 2006 from Omar Mir Seddique to Omar Mir Seddique Mateen.”
Why is that important? Why is his original last name, Seddique, also spelled Siddiqui, significant? Because of a previous terrorism case in Florida, in which the FBI informant’s name was Siddiqui. And because that previous case may have been one of those FBI prop-jobs, where the informant was used to falsely accuse a suspect of a terrorist act. The New Yorker (cited above) has details:
This is not the first time that the F.B.I. has attracted criticism from national-security experts and civil-liberties groups for generating terrorism cases through sting operations and confidential informants. In ‘The Imam’s Curse,’ published in September, I reported on a Florida family that was accused of providing ‘material support’ to terrorists. In that case, a father, Hafiz Khan, and two of his sons were arrested. The charges against the sons were eventually dropped, but Hafiz Khan was convicted and sentenced to twenty-five years in prison. At Khan’s trial, his lawyer, Khurrum Wahid, questioned the reliability of the key [FBI] informant in the case, David Mahmood Siddiqui. Wahid accused Siddiqui, who’d had periods of unemployment, of lying to authorities because his work as a confidential informant was lucrative. For his role in the case, Siddiqui had received a hundred and twenty-six thousand dollars, plus expenses. But in a subsequent interview with the Associated Press, Siddiqui stood by his testimony and motives: ‘I did it for the love of my country, not for money.’
The website Cryptogon, which pieced this whole story together, comments:
What are the odds that an FBI informant in a [previous] Florida terrorist case shares the same last name as the perpetrator of the worst mass shooting in U.S. history—also in Florida—[Omar Mateen] a lone wolf cop poser with multiple acknowledged contacts with the FBI, who was formerly listed on the terrorist watch list and associated with a suicide bomber… while holding a valid security guard license?
Indeed.
And in case you think Siddiqui is a common last name, here is a statement from Mooseroots:
Siddiqui is an uncommon surname in the United States. When the United States Census was taken in 2000, there were about 4,994 individuals with the last name “Siddiqui,” ranking it number 6,281 for all surnames. Historically, the name has been most prevalent in the Southwest, though the name is actually most common in Hawaii. Siddiqui is least common in the southeastern states.
If for some reason the name Siddiqui throws you off, suppose the last name was, let me make something up, Graposco? A few years ago, an FBI informant in Florida, Graposco, appeared to have falsely accused a man of terrorist acts—and in 2016, another Graposco, who changed that last name to something else, killed 50 people in a Florida nightclub shooting—after having been investigated twice by the FBI? Might that coincidence grab your attention?
Again—the 2016 Orlando shooter had extensive contact with the FBI in 2013 and 2014. The FBI investigated him twice and dropped the investigations. The FBI used an informant in a previous Florida case, and that informant had the same last name as the Orlando shooter. It’s quite possible the previous informant was told to give a false statement which incriminated a man for terrorist acts.
You can say this is a coincidence. Maybe it is. But it seems more than odd. Are the two Siddiqui men connected?
Was the Orlando shooter involved in some kind of FBI plan to mount a terror op that was supposed to be stopped before it went ahead, but wasn’t? Was the Orlando shooter “helped” over the edge from having “radical ideas” to committing mass murder?
I wanted to add my 2 cents.
I added a comment to the article on sott.net because something doesn't add up about this guy firing 1000 rounds of .223 ammo.
I'm just applying some common sense to the problem and it seems to me there is some sort of logistical and practical problem with this story.
I added a comment to the article on sott.net because something doesn't add up about this guy firing 1000 rounds of .223 ammo.
I'm just applying some common sense to the problem and it seems to me there is some sort of logistical and practical problem with this story.
Joe said:
Teen girl killed in downtown Oakland shooting, 3 others hurt
By Brittany Brown, KRON and Vince Cestone, KRON Published: June 14, 2016, 6:41 pm Updated: June 14, 2016, 11:09 p
http://kron4.com/2016/06/14/double-shooting-in-downtown-oakland/
NEWS
Teenage girl among four shot in downtown Oakland dies
http://abc7news.com/news/man-woman-injured-in-downtown-oakland-shooting-/1386024/
OAKLAND (KRON) — A teen was killed, and three other people were injured after a shooting in downtown Oakland on Tuesday evening.
A 16-year-old girl has died in the shooting and three others are in stable condition.
The incident was reported at 5:41 p.m. at Franklin and 13th streets.
The victims of the shooting are males and females, ages ranging from mid-teens to early 20s.
Police arrived at the scene and gathered additional information, learning that a vigil was being held in the area of 14th Street and Broadway in connection with a drowning that occurred in Salinas this past year.
The shooting happened near the Golden Lotus Vegetarian Restaurant, located at 1301 Franklin Steet.
The Oakland Police Department is on the scene.
Stay with KRON4 News on this developing story, online and in our newscasts.
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Oakland Girl Shot at Franklin and 13th Street
Published on Jun 14, 2016
TMZ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMZ
TMZ's managing editor is Harvey Levin, a lawyer-turned-journalist who was previously a legal expert for the Los Angeles television station KCBS-TV.[5] The site claims that it does not pay for stories or interviews; however, Levin has admitted that TMZ does "sometimes pay sources for leads on stories".[6][7][8] Levin has stated that "everything is researched and vetted for accuracy."[9] A companion television series, TMZ on TV, debuted on September 10, 2007.
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I can say that the 2 locations are close but, 14th at Broadway and 13th at Franklin are a long way for bullets to travel and would have had to make turns. That is unless the Vigil was marching near 14th and Franklin and got caught in ensuing mayhem.
14@ Broadway
https://www.google.fr/maps/place/Downtown+Oakland,+Oakland,+Californie+94612,+%C3%89tats-Unis/@37.8043242,-122.273357,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x808f80b15fa057c7:0x8f396b8aae467d2f!8m2!3d37.8043242!4d-122.2711683
13@ Franklin (13th is one way at the foot of Broadway going south)
https://www.google.fr/maps/place/Franklin+St+%26+13th+St,+Oakland,+CA+94612,+%C3%89tats-Unis/@37.8031538,-122.2725729,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x808f80b405f0731b:0x3455eec5972fb89b!8m2!3d37.8031538!4d-122.2703842
Just some food for thought?
Added: By he way this area is a louche pit at best. With a lot of potential for criminal activity at night. Prostitution, lots bars and seedy hotels. A very dangerous for the naive that lack the street smarts.
angelburst29
The Living Force
zin said:Orlando can't seem to catch a break:
https://www.rt.com/usa/346667-orlando-fire-disney-smoke/
"A massive fire has erupted in Orlando, Florida – a city still rattled by Sunday’s mass shooting at a gay nightclub.
Construction materials caught fire on International Drive, just north of Walt Disney World, reported Orlando’s My News 13, citing the Orlando fire department."
"The fire was thought to have broken out at Wet ‘n Wild, the longest-operating water park in the US that has been an Orlando fixture for over 25 years."
The fire near Disney and now an alligator grabbed a 2 year old in the water at the Disney Resort and a search is under way. The Father of the child did wrestle with the Alligator but was unable to free the toddler.
Toddler Dragged by Alligator Into Lake at Disney Resort in Florida, Search Underway
https://gma.yahoo.com/child-dragged-gator-lake-near-disney-resort-florida-104853646--abc-news-topstories.html#
