Matriarchy to Patriarchy in the Neolithic and the Y-Chromosome Bottleneck

[seek10]

The question in the session was about final deluge and destruction of Atlantis.

The deluge happening within 40 years of the comet impacts also does not seem to be connected to the crystals. Unless the crystals attracted the comets and the deluge of water from Mars. In any case, comets and deluge within 40 years is close to being a single event, though it may be enough time for some recovery before final destruction.

I don't think I have answer to your question. I had similar challenge in interpreting it for the cosmology chart. I will put my thought process here.

November 16, 1994

Q: (L) And you said that the "flood of Noah" was the story of the final deluge and destruction of Atlantis?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And that was caused by what?

A: Venus.

Q: (L) I thought you said it was caused by Martek?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, how can it be caused by Venus if it was caused by Martek?

A: Venus also "caused" Martek.

November 19, 1994

Q: (L) So, how many separate destructions did Atlantis experience?

A: Three.

Q: (L) One was caused by the close passage of Mars?

A: Yes. And comets.

Q: (L) Was Mars and the comets loosely interactive?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And the second was caused by what?

A: Venus.

Q: (L) And the third and final destruction was caused by what?

A: Crystals.

I had little challenge in interpreting the Venus.
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Q: (seek10) C's mentioned three destruction events for Atlantis. So does Edgar Cayce. 'Cayce Atlantis' book suggests three destruction event years are around 50K BCE, 28K BCE, and 10K BCE. C's already confirmed the last one is close to 8498 BCE (10 December 1994 session). Are the first two destruction years Cayce suggested, correct?

A: Close

Q: (seek10) If not, what are the approximate correct years?

A: Within 2K years of expressed date.

Q: (seek10) What is the destruction event and approximate year that made the Paranthas go extinct?

A: 50KYA War.

Q: (Joe) A war 50,000 years ago.

(seek10) When did Indian plate get connected to Eurasian plate? Is it 70K years ago or after that?

A: Close enough.

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(Ryan) You mentioned that Atlantis underwent 3 incarnations over a 100,000 year period (31/05/1997). If the "Flood of Noah" and Paranthan nuclear war were two of the three cataclysms, was the first cataclysm at the time of the Youngest Toba eruption after the destruction of Kantek?

A: Yes.

Q: (Ryan) In approximately 26.5K BCE, the Taupo supervolcano in New Zealand erupted, which is 'somewhat' close to the arrival of the STS Orion headquarters for the Sol system that you mentioned in 04/12/1999. Were both of these events related to any larger event, and if so, what was that event?

A: A cometary bombardment.

I had challenge to fit in Laura's 1994 session (30 years back) to other one's asked almost 30 year later. I interpreted as Laura's 1994 question is focused on 'cause' instead of sequence of events that happened around 10K BCE period. It is finer grain of events around 10K BCE. We know answer can depend on the context.

That is how I tried to reconcile the number 3, though I could be wrong.

 

[axj]

That is how I tried to reconcile the number 3, though I could be wrong.

The 8500 BC date is based only on Cayce? The C's said that this date needs to be adjusted by 2000 years, which puts it right around 10600 BC (2000 years later at 6500 BC seems much less likely).

The Younger Dryas cometary bombardment seems to be even scientifically confirmed now at 10600 BC.

However, the big question is this session about Atlantis recovering after the deluge (water from Mars), which itself was 40 years after the cometary bombardment:

November 19, 1994

Q: (L) You mean these crystalline structures came to life, so to speak?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And then what did they do?

A: Destroyed Atlantis.

Q: (L) But I thought that Atlantis was destroyed because of the close passage of another body of the solar system?

A: Was damaged but recovered.

Q: (L) So Atlantis was damaged by a close passage of Mars or whatever and then recovered from that damage, is that correct?

A: Part of landmass, but not all, was destroyed

This does indeed seem to suggest that at an unspecified date after the deluge, which was itself 40 years after the comet impacts around 10600 BC, the crystals somehow destroyed the remaining Atlantis landmass.

So there were basically three parts to the final destruction of Atlantis, decades or more apart:

1. comets (10600 BC)
2. deluge (40 years later)
3. crystals (unknown year, enough time for Atlantis to recover after the comets and deluge)

 

[axj]

Slightly back to the original bottleneck topic, there is also this about the Native Americans being transferred to America from Asia during a cataclysm around 5200 BC:

October 7, 1994

Q: (L) What is the source of the Native American Indians?

A: Asia.

Q: (L) Across the Bering Strait?

A: No. Rescued. Transferred.

Q: (L) By whom?

A: Grays.

Q: (L) What were they rescued out of?

A: Cataclysm.

Q: (L) When did that cataclysm occur?

A: 7200 years ago approx.

 

[Ricardo]

( side note , the first introduction of the psychopathic genetic strain was 50.000 , this seems co-related with the Paranthas war since it co-incides with the date. Ie remove one genetic group and introduce the malformed ones , as a way to further imbalance and sts conquest (?) )

Session 3 September 2008 :

(...)

Q: (L) Okay, so if it's due to a mutation, when did the original mutation occur?

A: More than one occasion, but first time was fifty thousand years ago.

(...)

 

[Mark7]

What's more, in a fourth-density society that seeks to orient itself toward service to others, the social configuration and its needs may change enough for these terms to become obsolete and inadequate.

Wishful thinking, maybe, but in 4D STO, with blinders removed and superpowers installed, people will wear X-ray glasses, enabling them to see and set boundaries and borders, and STS/STO will be much more delineated on the map of a new psychic environment.

Matriarchy/Patriarchy - we'll all be like little children, at least initially :).

 

[seek10]

The 8500 BC date is based only on Cayce?

Not really from Cayce. If I remember correctly, he doesn't mention of destruction due to crystals.
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(L) Terry! Now, Otto Muck came to the conclusion that the final breaking up of Atlantis occurred on June 5, 8498 B.C. Is this pretty close?

A: Close.

Laura wrote:

25 Remember that "close" gets no cigar. It took us awhile to learn this and to go back to questions that had been answered this way to try and pin down exactly how close we were or were not!

The Otto Muck data of the final Atlantis breakup event is 10.6K event (as per Cayce's). That leaves WHEN is the Crystal destruction event?

Reading 'Plato the prehistorian' (missing 8.5K to 4.5 BCE in records in Egypt), triggered the thought process. I need to reread and reevaluate this data point. thank you for pointing out.

 

[iamthatis]

I was reading through some of Ethical Skeptic's ECDO stuff again, and he mentions the Y-chromosome bottleneck. He chalks it up to a natural catastrophe, namely a major geophysical event, and not organized androcide. Though the two are not mutually exclusive - desperate times often create the conditions for crazy actions to become more reasonable. It's possible that around the time in question, we have two events - the Flood of Noah event, and some kind of ancient kill-the-males mind virus. Are they related? If so, how?

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Indeed, Zeng, et al. “Neolithic Y-chromosome Bottleneck” (Nat Commun, 2018) cites a 20 to 1 reduction (bottleneck) in human Y-DNA genetic diversity, sometime between 3,000 to 5,000 BCE.45 46 Despite all the pretend science, hyperbole, and wishful thinking, no disease, famine, cultural or conquest practice, war, or cosmic impact could possibly account for the ubiquitous nature of the effect outlined in Exhibit J6 below. While various circumstances could possibly explain a small subset population exhibiting such a DNA contrast, none can account for the global distribution of the phenomenon described below—save one.

Only a quasi-anticipated global inundation (or two such events from 13,000 to 4000 BCE as indicated below) could account for this DNA progression observed in the male Y chromosome.
Exhibit J6 – 19 in 20 genetic males were culled between 3,000 to 5,000 BCE (Zeng, et al.), yet this pattern does not replicate in mtDNA (female) progressions (Karmin, et al.).

There is only one plausible explanation for this as a global phenomenon: an anticipated cataclysm, during which a single male lineage preserved its household—along with a variety of female captives, servants, slaves, and concubines.47 It is important to note that the Zeng et al. study does not concur with the luxurious 10 ky decline depicted above (this would involve a solely genetic cause, as well as a set of plainly evident and confirmational allele makers), and instead attributes the majority of this drop as occurring between 3000 to 5000 BCE. We tentatively match this to our provision timeline date of 4400 BCE for the ‘Flood of Noah’.

The chart in Exhibit J6 above (brought to my attention by Ben Davidson, Founder of SpaceWeatherNews) shows the compression in human regional populations (ergo DNA as well) that occurred at this time, also indicating that the Caucus and Africa regions were spared from the total brunt of this calamitous event (due to the ‘Sub-Saharan Shield’ as shown in Exhibit J5 above), while Europe and Southeast Asia populations rebounded quickly thereafter, having not been salted by the oceanic inundation (see Exhibit J7 below).48 Couple this with the fact that the surviving ancient human genetic signatures are shared exclusively at each Euler axis and coincides, both geographically and temporally, with peaks in animal and plant genetic diversity, and you hold precisely the kind of extraordinary evidence Carl Sagan once championed.

It was interesting that he highlights two regions were somewhat less affected than the others, Africa and the Caucasus. Why?

 

[seek10]

Slightly back to the original bottleneck topic, there is also this about the Native Americans being transferred to America from Asia during a cataclysm around 5200 BC:

C's says Asia, which is a very large area. w.r.t to this study they don't have Native American or Chinese samples. In the paper, they say, they followed established protocol in sampling and they should have a reason for it as the current American population is related to recent migrations.

What this study have is Central, Siberia, S-E & E Asia (but no Chinese samples, so I thought it is more of S-E Asia) and South Asia. Out of these, which one contributed to "Native American" that is airlifting from Asia?

What is "native American" genetic type?

The term "Native American genetic type" refers to the ancestral genetic markers and lineages found among Indigenous peoples of the Americas. It’s not a single “type,” but rather a complex mosaic shaped by ancient migrations, isolation, and later admixture. Here's a breakdown:

Ancestral Origins​

• East Asian Roots: Native Americans descend from populations that migrated from Northeast Asia across the Bering Land Bridge (Beringia) roughly 15,000–20,000 years ago.
• Ancient North Eurasian Admixture: These migrants had already mixed with Paleolithic Siberian groups, contributing a West Eurasian genetic component via the so-called Ancient North Eurasians.
• Founder Effect: The initial migration involved a small group (estimated effective size ~70), leading to reduced genetic diversity compared to other continents.

Key Genetic Markers​

• Y-DNA Haplogroup Q-M242: Common among many Native American male lineages, especially in North and South America.
• mtDNA Haplogroups A, B, C, D, and X: These maternal lineages are prevalent across Indigenous populations, with regional variation.
• Autosomal DNA: Shows a distinct cluster separate from other global populations, with strongest affinities to Paleo-Siberian peoples.

Regional Variation​

• Na-Dene and Inuit Populations: These groups show evidence of later migrations from Siberia, distinct from the “First Americans”.
• Amazonian Populations: Some carry a mysterious signal of shared ancestry with Australasians, possibly from a deep East Asian lineage known as “Population Y”.

Genetic Diversity Patterns​

• North-to-South Gradient: Genetic diversity decreases with distance from the Bering Strait, reflecting the southward dispersal of early populations.
• Coastal vs Inland Routes: Genetic data suggests coastal migration routes were more heavily used, especially along the Pacific coast.

Important Caveats​

• Not a Tribal Identifier: Genetic ancestry does not determine tribal membership or cultural identity.
• Post-Colonial Admixture: Many Native American genomes today reflect admixture with European and African populations due to colonization.

Here is Overlapped diagram.

Assuming "Native American" signal is reflected in central Asian and Siberian category, both didn't have dip (or bottleneck) around 5200 BCE.

• for central Asia, it starts to dip around 3000 BCE with max. at 23000 BCE.
• for Siberia, it was a slow process started around 5200 BCE to 1000 AD.

 

[Seato]

A: Yes. Men will lose most of their drive in favor of more spiritual pursuits. It is the sex drive that is at the root of most of the historical aggression and lack of feeling on the part of the male.

I wonder whether perhaps this possible extreme targeting and extermination of males was pushed on a higher level, to compensate for the decreased innate violence amongst women that may be reflected in matriarchal societies. So, to maintain a high negative energy harvest alternate mechanisms must be employed. 4D STS might have established this extreme ideology against males to act as a mechanism to push violence, in a population where the basic drive towards violence is lacking.
We see amongst pathological patriarchies large scale warfare, genocides, sexual violence including the abuse trafficking and murder of children. I don’t really see much room for a judgement on which psychopathic society type is worse. Each just manifests the suffering in different ways. Maybe a particular instance of one may be worse than another, but it’s just choosing lesser evils until you escape from STS domination.
From a 4d STS perspective perhaps a more matriarchal society would require more direct oversight to ensure the appropriate suffering whereas an STS patriarchy might do so more independently.

Reading through the discussion and data here it seems there may be many factors contributing to this large decline in population occurring at different intervals. Given the shift to agriculture, presumably experience in this way of living would have originally been less advanced (could have been helped along by hyperdimensional forces). To say nothing of possible additional farming difficulties from possible comets and climate issues. Perhaps mass starvations may have been a contributing factor in the decline. The great famines during the industrialisation and societal restructuring of the Soviet Union and Mao’s China come to mind also. Scarcity and need to control food supply may also be another way to promote violence and warfare.
These issues could eventually be offset as agricultural technics advanced, and societies and climate became more stable. We see today how mass agriculture can support massive populations when done successfully.

With how important agriculture is now to the scarcity mentality, poisoning of society and control for psychopaths, it does look as if these events in history may represent 4D STS laying the groundwork for our own civilization. Through this lens the modern anti men movement and gender insanity appears to be just as much preparing for structuring a new civilization as it is tearing down the old.