Matter and Spirit - The Experimental Evidence

[Buddy]

I couldn't help but notice that this thread fits together quite nicely with another thread on the forum about the book called "The Field." For those looking for more info and ideas about L-fields and how they interact with our DNA as well as other internal and external influences, check out this thread:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=7462.0

Yeah, I noticed it too.

Considering this:

Sheldrake's theory is beautifully and simply worked out. Nevertheless, by his own admission, it doesn't explain the physics of how this might all be possible, or how all these fields might store this information.-

I wonder if the "the physics of how this might all be possible" might be explained something like this:
We know that magnetic lines of force can't be seen but they are there. Any experiment with a magnet and a bunch of iron filings that arrange themselves in a pattern represented by the poles of that magnet will demonstrate.

I was thinking that a thought form - a clear, coherent, sustained structure of thought (in the T-field) can be impressed on an L-field. The 'bits' in that L-field would begin to move in an effort to rebalance themselves in the presence of that new 'impression in the field' - sort of 'fall in' to the 'grooves' and arrange themselves in a manner corresponding to the structure of the thought form. The new L-field configuration would further impress it's activity on the next level of denser, physical field in some kind of corresponding 're-balancing' effort, which, in turn, impresses the next field and so on. From that point on, sustained pressure of effort in the T-fields and L-fields would serve as a sort of matrix, or plan for everything else in the 'system' to 'grow or flow' into, thus resulting in the full, visible matter field conforming to what was originally started as "thought".

If all the 'bits' in the matter/energy fields, arrange themselves in a configuration that was originally conceived in thought form, then 'magnetic resonance' is in play through the attraction between the levels, of corresponding, matching 'bits'.

Is that too far out to be plausible?

 

[Thomas Alan]

Considering this:

Sheldrake's theory is beautifully and simply worked out. Nevertheless, by his own admission, it doesn't explain the physics of how this might all be possible, or how all these fields might store this information.-

I wonder if the "the physics of how this might all be possible" might be explained something like this:
We know that magnetic lines of force can't be seen but they are there. Any experiment with a magnet and a bunch of iron filings that arrange themselves in a pattern represented by the poles of that magnet will demonstrate.

I was thinking that a thought form - a clear, coherent, sustained structure of thought (in the T-field) can be impressed on an L-field. The 'bits' in that L-field would begin to move in an effort to rebalance themselves in the presence of that new 'impression in the field' - sort of 'fall in' to the 'grooves' and arrange themselves in a manner corresponding to the structure of the thought form. The new L-field configuration would further impress it's activity on the next level of denser, physical field in some kind of corresponding 're-balancing' effort, which, in turn, impresses the next field and so on. From that point on, sustained pressure of effort in the T-fields and L-fields would serve as a sort of matrix, or plan for everything else in the 'system' to 'grow or flow' into, thus resulting in the full, visible matter field conforming to what was originally started as "thought".

If all the 'bits' in the matter/energy fields, arrange themselves in a configuration that was originally conceived in thought form, then 'magnetic resonance' is in play through the attraction between the levels, of corresponding, matching 'bits'.

Is that too far out to be plausible?

So, bringing Prayer of the Soul into the T fields (into our thoughts) transforms or changes polarity of the L fields. a flow that can even effect matter? The push of effort or will (like the "shock" Mourvieff talks about) is needed to do EE and the Prayer like opening a valve. Changing the flow and what is flowing.

The effort must be repeated, the T field influenced again and again the to keep the flow going. Repeated efforts influences "magnetic resonance".

Is this at least close?

Mac

 

[Bluestar]

Thank you Laura for taking the time to post this. It really put a lot of things I have pondered about over the years into perspective. Always honored inanimate objects as part of Creation. They have atoms that form into molecules. They vibrate and create a frequency. Heard a lecture about morphogenetic fields many years ago and it was very interesting.

From wikipedia

In developmental biology, a morphogenetic field is a group of cells able to respond to discrete, localized biochemical signals leading to the development of specific morphological structures or organs.[1][2] The spatial and temporal extent of the embryonic fields are dynamic, and within the field is a collection of interacting cells out of which a particular organ is formed.[3] As a group, the cells within a given morphogenetic field are constrained — i.e. cells in a limb field will become a limb tissue, those in a cardiac field will become heart tissue.[4] Importantly, however, the specific cellular programming of individual cells in a field is flexible: an individual cell in a cardiac field can be redirected via cell-to-cell signaling to replace specific damaged or missing cells.[4] Imaginal discs in insect larvae are examples of morphogenetic fields.[5]

From this I figured it related to inanimate objects as well. All vibrating on a resonant frequency. It is like an agreement of all the cells to form and vibrate at this specific frequency. With the help of gravity waves, manifests as a specific object in 3D.

On a side note, when talking with another person about these energy fields and saying to them, we have an energy fields as well. They might look at me like I was crazy. So I would do a tiny experiment with them. Asking them to hold their hands almost together with a small distance between them. And then ask to play with the distance until they felt a repelling feeling. And 99% of the time they would smile and say they felt it.

 

[3DStudent]

Wow, thank you for the thread! This stuff is really interesting to me and I feel like a little kid in a candy store when reading it :P. I ordered a copy from half.com, thanks for the mention aleana. On Borders.com you can back order it, but it takes 2-4 weeks and I don't want to wait that long.

This makes me think differently about eating, and interacting with even inanimate matter. That plants can sense from miles away is really intriguing. I was also thinking about something related to when you return to a recently visited place. Like at work when I enter a room, I will have a memory pop into my head of the thoughts I had last time in there. I wonder if it's just the associative aspect of memory, or is it picking up thoughts stored in the "air".

I think these topics are really important and have far reaching implications.

 

[Paragon]

The greatest thing I take from this is that, it corresponds very well with all the data we have collected regarding the C's , the work etc . It gives the data we have, further 'weight' as the probable objective reality which we live in!

I find it intresting that before you mentioned it was written in the 70's, some of us thought it was a recent study! It's been around for a wee bit now and its not had the recognition it deserves.

So thank you laura! :)

 

[John G]

If all the 'bits' in the matter/energy fields, arrange themselves in a configuration that was originally conceived in thought form, then 'magnetic resonance' is in play through the attraction between the levels, of corresponding, matching 'bits'.

Is that too far out to be plausible?

Matter and thought are perhaps even closer than that. As an illustration consider matter as having these bits:

000 Neutrino (no EM charge)
110 Red Up Quark (+2/3rds EM charge)
101 Green Up quark (+2/3rds EM charge)
011 Blue Up quark (+2/3rds EM charge)
001 Red Down Quark (-1/3rds EM charge)
010 Green Down Quark (-1/3rds EM charge)
100 Blue Down Quark (-1/3rds EM charge)
111 Electron (-1 EM charge)

To see a complex thought you need a bunch of bits. For example in a Penrose-Hameroff quantum consciousness model there are 2 to the 18 electrons and the position of each electron in its tubulin cage represents a qbit (quantum bit). The idea of qbit vs bit kind of hints at the idea of all the possible bits preexisting. It's more that all the information for all the possible paths in the past and future is there already and we take different paths at all the forks in the road; it's not so much that anything is being configured since it is already configured.

The really tough thing to think about is free will vs lack of free will (random or determined) for those forks in the road. It's almost like free will would be where all math for the choice disappears. Ark wrote something recently about free will in that link mentioned earlier in this thread. These living fields I think kind of represent how the paths are intertwined in the mosaic.

 

[Buddy]

There was something bugging me the last couple of days. I went back to re-read the beginning post in this thread. This kept standing out for me:


[quote author=http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=18023.msg166348#msg166348]
Laura
Re: Matter and Spirit - The Experimental Evidence
What I find interesting about these bits from "Voices of Spirit" are the implications for the truth of what the Cs have said about people "connecting their chakras" via the EE program. It makes it hard-core real that if people could get together on this, we could really do something significant.[/quote]


And within that quote, this portion: (repeat in head 50 or more times):

"...we could really do something significant."

So as this simmered in the back of my mind and I finished my posts in the Telepathy thread and that Perception post in the "More on Understanding the Machine" thread, an idea came to me that reinforces the continued dedication to the EE program.

I found myself attracted to this:

[quote author=http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12993.msg94115#msg94115]
Laura
Session 16 July 2009
Quote from: Session

(L) So basically, we can recapitulate by saying that people need to learn to breathe. Breathing can change things in their physiology. And also they need to use the breathing to get themselves into a meditative state, or a state where they can do the bioenergetic breathing, which then helps them to release karmic and current life programs and issues and get a cleansing. Once they've started to become cleansed, then they are able to - and this is supposed to be interspersed with, as I understand it - continuous input of data and information. They did say that you use this to deal with reality. This meditating and breathing is not an escape, this is a healing. Meanwhile, you're supposed to at the same time - throughout the day - you're supposed to be paying close attention to reality and not falling into illusion. Okay, so we've got that part of the program. And then once these people begin to clear out their traumas and their programs and get free of illusions and so forth, that means that they are then better able to use facing reality and thinking with a hammer to connect their chakras. And that, I assume, means connecting to their higher intellectual center and higher emotional center. Of course, you connect the emotional center first and then the intellect comes in also. So, in other words, they become kind of like connected with themselves in the future so to say. Am I on track so far?
A: Yes. But we would like to point that all "souled" individuals are members of a fragmented 6D soul/being. When they begin to connect with their future/higher centers, this implies a natural connecting with the other members of their soul group.[/quote]


...and I was attracted back to this:

[quote author=http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=17979.msg167497#msg167497]
THE NATURE OF PERCEPTION

As step 8, the whole of the output of the simple and complex cells is forwarded to MEMORY STORAGE where, apparently, the bits are compared to bits stored in memory. This process goes on until the incoming bits find a "match" in memory storage, or a "match" that is nearest to/similar to the incoming bits. When compatible bits are located and compared to the incoming bits, what is called "recognition" now begins to take place.[/quote]

...and thoughts about what the C's have said about activating DNA as a result of our Work on ourselves and then this came to me:

When dormant DNA is activated or new strands grow, open up, or whatever, there will be something extra inside us. In the context of perception, this "something extra" could very well be what allows other kinds and types of perception to occur as inner "re-cognition", in terms of that 10-step perception model: "When compatible bits are located and compared to the incoming bits, what is called "recognition" now begins to take place."

So, I thought: Wow! Ok, is that a reasonable, semi-scientific (at least) way to put these puzzle pieces together? If so, then there's all the motivation to keep up the Work together and "really do something significant."

 

[okiron]

I wonder if the book touches on the topic in the area that probagates "food for the moon". Are there further study into the L-field? I can't help but think of this L-field like "auras" around a being, you know? Also, I wonder if the research ended with the assumption that T-field = God, but than if further study into L-field could suggest otherwise, I would think, wouldn't it?
okiron

 

[3DStudent]

I have been reading this and it is such an awesome book. I'm going really slowly and the introduction touches many topics. I don't want to spoil anything, so I'll wait for people to find this rare book. You can back-order it from Borders.com it seems, but it takes 2-4 weeks.

There's so many things to talk about in it, and parallels from things we learned from the C's and related material. Lots of things to rethink about reality, as you can see in the excerpt Laura gave.

I was really excited to get the book, and it seems as good and better than I expected so far. Happy reading!

Edit: I also want to mention that I have the third edition printed in 1992 and there are a lot of spelling errors. One half a sentence was even repeated. I wonder if it's just human error, or maybe it was tampered with? Even so, it has a lot of valuable information.

 

[Laura]

...and thoughts about what the C's have said about activating DNA as a result of our Work on ourselves and then this came to me:

When dormant DNA is activated or new strands grow, open up, or whatever, there will be something extra inside us. In the context of perception, this "something extra" could very well be what allows other kinds and types of perception to occur as inner "re-cognition", in terms of that 10-step perception model: "When compatible bits are located and compared to the incoming bits, what is called "recognition" now begins to take place."

So, I thought: Wow! Ok, is that a reasonable, semi-scientific (at least) way to put these puzzle pieces together? If so, then there's all the motivation to keep up the Work together and "really do something significant."

That's what was in my head too and I'm really glad that you were paying attention and connected the dots.

There's something else to think about: changes in DNA could have actual physical manifestations. Consider that every cell in your body has an exact copy of your DNA, yet every cell knows that it is say, a muscle cell, or a nerve cell, or whatever. The cells that make up the lining of the stomach know that the lining gets replaced completely about every 8 hours. The pancreas replaces itself entirely every day or two, and so on. So there are instructions for all kinds of rates of replication and types, etc.

So, here's the thing: we have NO idea what all that "junk DNA" - which is most of our DNA - is there for. What if some of that is the DNA for some serious "super powers," so to say. (I don't mean like superman, but something a bit more esoteric). And what if some of that DNA is just waiting for the right stimulus, situation, cosmic ray environment, or whatever, to activate?

Some of the things the Cs have said now and again seemed kinda nutty to me, like after "the wave" some people might rejuvenate and live hundreds more years and so forth. But the truth is, there is no scientific reason that makes that impossible. We just don't know.

We also don't know what a large enough group of people who are "clean and clear" in regards to emotional programs and karma and so forth might be able to do on the planet itself in terms of beneficial effects. The bits and pieces of some ancient science or techno-spirituality are there for us to reassemble if we can just get over ourselves and get on with the task.

Of course, we have to survive in the meantime and continue to work and make our work available because we don't know who is out there who might be one of our soul group that needs to be "collected" and "plugged in" so to say to make the whole thing fly. And that means, of course, that we have to constantly deal with attacks because it sure is clear that doing what we are doing scares somebody - or a bunch of somebodies - to death.

And so, on we go... connecting the dots and chakras!

 

[Avi]

...and thoughts about what the C's have said about activating DNA as a result of our Work on ourselves and then this came to me:

When dormant DNA is activated or new strands grow, open up, or whatever, there will be something extra inside us. In the context of perception, this "something extra" could very well be what allows other kinds and types of perception to occur as inner "re-cognition", in terms of that 10-step perception model: "When compatible bits are located and compared to the incoming bits, what is called "recognition" now begins to take place."

So, I thought: Wow! Ok, is that a reasonable, semi-scientific (at least) way to put these puzzle pieces together? If so, then there's all the motivation to keep up the Work together and "really do something significant."

Some of the things the Cs have said now and again seemed kinda nutty to me, like after "the wave" some people might rejuvenate and live hundreds more years and so forth. But the truth is, there is no scientific reason that makes that impossible. We just don't know.

I find this fascinating in terms of possibility and find it interesting to hear you, Laura, say that some of what the C's said is "kinda nutty" to you. I realize you've always advocated healthy skepticism but that is probably what makes you stand out more than most, your unwillingness to buy anything hook line and sinker without research and validation.

For me the "nuttiest" comment from the C's, and i am paraphrasing here, was their comment that with the onset of the wave people might actually change gender, go to bed a male one night and wake up female, and vice-versa.

Of course maybe they did not imply this literally (will need to find the quote now to be clear) but instead offered this as an example of how far one needs to learn to stretch the imagination? Or maybe there was a personal message associated with that for you and your group at the time.

What I think may be the most important aspect of the overall message is the need to learn to accept the possibility of anything, without expectation.

The latter sure is the tricky part!

 

[anart]

What I think may be the most important aspect of the overall message is the need to learn to accept the possibility of anything, without expectation.

The latter sure is the tricky part!

Exactly, as the C's once said:

Q: (L) I was thinking it, but they didn't let me finish. For the
record, I was thinking that we are all part of the same soul
unit here.
A: To an extent, but you may not yet understand what
exactly a "soul unit" is in that sense. And of course, there is
more than one sense for this as well. The "trick" that 3rd
density STS life forms will learn, either prior to transition to
4th density, or at the exact juncture, is to think in absolutely
limitless terms. The first and most solid step in this process is
to not anticipate at all. This is most difficult for you. We
understand this, but this as also why we keep reiterating this
point. For example, imagine if one of your past lives is also a
future life?

To think in limitless terms, when most of us have been programmed since birth to think of nothing but limits; limits defined, provided and reinforced every day of this life. Quite the challenge, but just imagine what thinking in limitless terms might make possible.

 

[Iron]

Ever since I heard the concept of epigenetics, some years ago at a class, genes that responded to alterations in the exterior environment, being activated or repressed, or initiating a complex series of signaling, I thought to myself : "If changes in dietary cholesterol may induce gene expression... I wonder what else?"

This book starts to answer the what else.
Conecting this information, of DNA fields that may be changed by thought fields and frequences... with the information of electrons communicating with each other.
We truly are all interconnected and "vibrating along"... I dont know this just makes my head spin.
The possibilities are endless when changes on you have the possibility to affect others, not only in a philosophical sense but in a very literal one, via the sharing of frequences... up to a point perhaps, otherwise the frequencies of other densities would be affecting us directly...
Maybe the fields are somehow connected, and changes in the patterns of the upper densities are somehow reflected in the "lower" densities.
I have to think. And to read this book.

Thanks immenselly again Laura for bringing this to our attention!

 

[Buddy]

...just imagine what thinking in limitless terms might make possible.

When one considers the big picture of our Work - from self-observation to physical detox, and then combines that picture with the ideas of gravity changes that 'open things up' and the aspect of 'variable physicality within a 4th Density state, the picture is even more interesting.

If sustained effort in the T-fields and L-fields creates a magnetized type of structure that, when impressed against a malleable physicality, becomes a guide for the physical mass to structure itself, then it doesn't seem like such a stretch to imagine doing the necessary mental/spiritual/meditative work before going to bed and then waking up another gender - especially if one is, in every way, connected to the network and that is what is needed at the time to continue Work.

Working in reverse, one may even get the idea that it's ok to let go of all sense of inner, self-important self-concepts - to be 'nothing in particular', because one can be anything one needs to be (in 4D). Such thinking has led to me to being able to sense (as a thought experiment) whatever common denominator might be present in those changes - myself as existing (being) but not necessarily tied to any 'fixed' sense of self. "Shapeshifters', so-to-speak, a desired mold or pattern starting on one level and flowing into all other related levels of being until the desired mold or pattern is in place.

In fact, the whole process seems like it would quickly become quite natural and commonplace. :)

 

[Zadius Sky]

I've managed to get the book and read it this weekend. And, I have to say, it's such an intriguing read. :D

The introduction certainly brings one to think on many topic and resonate with our related materials here. I've especially enjoyed the humorous conversations with the Spirit of "Mark Twain" later in this book.

Edit: I also want to mention that I have the third edition printed in 1992 and there are a lot of spelling errors. One half a sentence was even repeated. I wonder if it's just human error, or maybe it was tampered with? Even so, it has a lot of valuable information.

My book is the same edition as you have (1992 - from Amazon), and I did noticed the spelling errors as well. I think it just may be human errors, but doesn't take one completely away from the information as conveyed, osit.