Matter and Spirit - The Experimental Evidence

[salleles]

(...) instead of trying to gain commercial benefit from this invention, Bose made his inventions public in order to allow others to develop on his research.

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagadish_Chandra_Bose

Cool! He may have been one of the first Open Source scientists :)

 

[Buddy]

Great comments and observations, osit.

Found this thread interesting too: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=17701.0

Same here. :)

 

[David]

Tested out the L-field with a multimeter and my field was all over the place from 25 mV dc at one point and ramped up to over 400 mV dc, mind you at one point for a second I got nothing, now my multimeter may be broken or it’s just me.

What’s a healthy L-Field supposed to be for a man or woman..?

 

[JGeropoulas]

Tested out the L-field with a multimeter and my field was all over the place from 25 mV dc at one point and ramped up to over 400 mV dc, mind you at one point for a second I got nothing, now my multimeter may be broken or it’s just me.

What’s a healthy L-Field supposed to be for a man or woman..?

A few years ago, an unassuming client of mine told me of an interesting book he thought I'd like. I wondered what this uneducated (yet intelligent) man would bring me. He handed me a yellowed little paperpack copy of Dr. Harold Saxton Burr's 1972 book, "The Fields Of Life." It was quite fascinating, as the excerpts in Laura's post reveal. It's worth noting that the book was originally published with the title "Blueprint For Immortality"!

Unfortunately, it doesn't have an index, so I'll thumb through it and find the answer to your question.

 

[David]

Unfortunately, it doesn't have an index, so I'll thumb through it and find the answer to your question.

Thanks JGeropoulas

I appreciate it, hopefully my L-Field is OK

 

[JGeropoulas]

Tested out the L-field with a multimeter and my field was all over the place from 25 mV dc at one point and ramped up to over 400 mV dc, mind you at one point for a second I got nothing, now my multimeter may be broken or it’s just me.

What’s a healthy L-Field supposed to be for a man or woman..?

Unfortunately, it doesn't have an index, so I'll thumb through it and find the answer to your question.

My "index finger" is a little sore ;), but hopefully these comments will be helpful:

If there are electrical gradients—voltage gradients—in living systems, what are their essential characteristics? They must have magnitude and, since they are electrical, they must have directional properties; in other words, polar properties, a positive and a negative aspect

To learn more about these gradients one of the first things undertaken in the laboratory was-naturally enough-to measure human beings. At first sight, this could be an exceedingly complicated problem, but with the advice of Professor Leslie Nims, a very simple approach was adopted.

With our silver-silver chloride electrodes in a common physiological salt solution, the known self-potential in the electrode was reduced by selection to a minimum, usually not greater than one-half a millivolt. Then with two cups available, one electrode was introduced into the salt solution of one cup and another electrode into the salt solution of a second cup. It was a simple matter, then, to dip the finger of the hands into these cups; the index finger of the left hand into the left-hand cup, and the index finger of the right hand into the right hand cup. This completed the external circuit in the measuring device.

Immediately it was clear that there was a voltage gradient between the left finger and the right finger. This could be checked readily, for all that was necessary was to move the right-hand finger into the left-hand cup and vice versa. If the readings were valid, the magnitude should be the same in the second series of measurements as in the first. Normally, with our experiments these measurements were repeated ten times, or until we had reproducible, reliable results.

As soon as it was found that such measurements could be made readily, the question arose whether there was any, significant difference between human beings and those measurements. As a result a great many measurements were carried out in the laboratory, using the personnel of the laboratory as subjects. We found to our delight that the magnitudes of the potentials were rarely less than two millivolts and often many times higher.

The spread--or magnitude--of the measurements was so great that it was found possible to divide human beings into four categories. Individuals with low voltage gradients [presumably less than 2 millivolts] between the right and left forefinger; at the other extreme, individuals with voltage gradients between the right and left forefinger of something in the order of ten millivolts. In between, there was a third group, a low-high group, around five or six millivolts, and a fourth high-low group around two to four millivolts.

Interestingly enough, these were quite consistent during the period of measurement but, what is more remarkable, they were quite consistent with the passage of time. These experiments were carried out over many days to be sure that the results were reliable. If the electrical gradients in the living system were the result of the chemistry of the organism, the constancy which we recorded would simply not be possible.

We could not see any significant relationships between the individuals with low potential gradients and those with high potential gradients by any techniques which we were able to devise. The subjects were all males, and it was suggested that there might be an electrical difference between males and females. Hence, measurements were made on female members of the laboratory group, day after day, week after week, and month after month. [The voltage gradients of these females showed "remarkable increases" for 24-hour periods during ovulation.]
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Somatic symptoms show correlates especially with the polarity quantity, the ‘high-minus” field configurations notable also in preadolescent and aging adult groups.

In clinically diagnosed schizophrenic patients, voltage patterns range from the highest to the lowest intensities found. The greatest field strengths, states of excitation, occur, regardless of apparent duration of malfunctioning, until about middle age in the forties. Improvement is preceded by, or correlated with, sustained voltage drops of greater stability, and polarity may also be reversed. The lowest field strengths, states of exhaustion, are usually observed in chronic inert patients. The most dramatic voltage rises have preceded those rare occasions when torpid schizophrenic behaviour shifts into animated, spontaneous functioning. Since exaggerated or inhibited behaviour is found with high field intensifications and as exhausted behaviour may resemble inhibited behaviour, the field profile is necessary to indicate objectively what is going on.

In 1956, at the Annual Meeting of the American Psychiatric Association, the phylogenetic basis of behaviour disorders was presented, a construct deriving from considerations of basic behaviour changes paralleling the evolution of the nervous system. Space will not permit even a statement of this theory here. Suffice it to say, all behaviour disorders not perverted by culturally false notions of 'normal' reflect, by this construct, an imbalance in the harmonious integration of the old and new parts of the brain.

Adult human subjects, as well as other forms of life, run downhill electrically with age, undergoing polar reversals into minus polarity, depending on the electrode placement, an entirely relative matter. Field profiles of infants and preadolescent children likewise have shown predominantly minus polarity. Typical Caucasian men during adolescence and early adulthood tend to show moderately high intensities of almost uniformly plus polarity. Caucasian women, on the other hand, dip minus much earlier than men. Pilot studies suggest that, aside from the unique design of each individual; inherent racial differences may be of prime significance in determining intensity, variability, and polarity at various ages. Orientals showing more minus readings than Caucasians of the same age, Negroes exhibiting far greater field intensification of plus polarity.
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Irreducible factors in the causation of behaviour and somatic disorders have been discovered the behaviour perturbations favouring the intensity factor, the somatic disorders emphasizing the polarity vector.

Hypnosis as well as health and disease and aging have thus been measured in terms of changing intensities and directions of natural energy, an approach fusing the time-factor, or electro-cyclic phenomena, to the assessment of all living things pervading the entire phylogenetic tree.

Thus, a significant wedge has been driven into the problem of known periodicities in certain clinical conditions, as well as the obvious energy of youth, the profound and protracted disorders frequently arising in older-age groups, and the natural essence of 'hypnosis' itself.

During longitudinal studies of patients and controls several infectious diseases have been monitored inadvertently, reinforcing the importance of the field quantity as a unique property for each individual at any given time, continuously changing in accord with specific electro-cyclic periods.

It appears, therefore, as though an objective measure of those properties of protoplasmic organization which establish the essential attributes of feeling, behaviour, and thinking has emerged, based on [principles which are not] 100% deterministic and mechanical.

 

[David]

Thanks JGeropoulas for your help and Laura for posting this thread, I do hope I'm not going mad but then what's ‘normal’ in a world that seems to have always been crazy.

So just probing directly between the forehead and heart with the multimeter yielded seemingly sporadic results, before.

Tried the salt solution in two glasses and the finger dip yielded more stable measurement, one set of results averaged 29 mV dc and another 20 mV.

Took a smoke break and tested the results, my polarity was now minus and averaging –13 mV dc.

Got my mother to do the test also, she averaged out about 53 mV dc

Its interesting that a smoke seemed to cause a change in polarity and reduce the potential.

Maybe I'm malfunctioning due to high readings, I will have to get new leads or borrow a multimeter for retest and test anybody that visits the house, I guess they will think I'm crazy, wonder what the potential of those witness people average out as.

It would be interesting, if other forum members tried the test, if one has a multimeter handy.

 

[Laura]

Davida, you are kinda missing the point of this discussion. It's not here for you to zero in on one aspect and go and "test" stuff to see how YOU fit in the picture, it is for discussion, thinking, finding clues, etc. This is NOT about YOU!

 

[David]

Davida, you are kinda missing the point of this discussion. It's not here for you to zero in on one aspect and go and "test" stuff to see how YOU fit in the picture, it is for discussion, thinking, finding clues, etc. This is NOT about YOU!

Apologies Laura, got carried away, it’s just so interesting

 

[Iron]

This topic is just amazing... things like this, and reading about Tesla and others, make me think about how many times groundbreaking discoveries were made and supressed.

Everything lives, and interacts with everything else.
So, by doing detoxification of body , mind and heart, we actually are changing our "ressonance" and things around will interact with us in a different way as a result?

Maybe the woods and wind "whispering" truths to indians, and people gathering information out of rocks is more literal than it seems?

 

[Buddy]

Dr. Burr has made it clear that these fields are not related to the electrical currents measured by the cardiograph and the electroencephalograph (EEG). For one thing, the former are direct current while the latter are alternating. Burr calls the electrodynamic fields "bio-fields" or "L-Fields" (for "life fields"). He puts the difference between them thus:

These voltage measurements have nothing to do with the alternating currents which doctors find in the heart and brain. They are pure voltage potentials* which can yield only an infinitesimal amount of direct current. That is why L-fields could not be detected before the invention of the vacuum tube voltmeter, which requires virtually no current for its operation. An ordinary voltmeter needs so much current to swing the needle that it would drain away the L-field potentials and make any reading useless is not impossible. (10: 7)

Later he says:

Again it must be stressed that these electrical properties [of all living things] . . . are voltage gradients, not current movement, not changes in resistance to the passage of current. (10: 45)

Since Dr. Burr stresses voltage gradients, I thought I would offer a clarification of gradient for anyone who would be interested:

What is a Voltage gradient?

Batteries and cells both have positive and negative areas that are separated. Of course the electrons or ions "want" to move in a way that equalizes the differences, and this means there is potential energy. Once they start moving, that energy can be turned into work.

We say this potential energy is stored in the gradient.

But how much potential is there? How can we measure this gradient? When we were talking about diffusion, we measured the strength of a gradient as the difference in concentrations between the two sides -- a big difference meant a strong gradient. We'll do the same thing here and measure the difference between the "positiveness" on one side and the "negativeness" on the other side.

The strength of a battery is expressed in volts -- for example, a flashlight battery is 1.5V. This measures the electrical gradient between the two ends of the battery. And the gradients between cells can be measured in volts as well, except these gradients are tiny, so we'll measure them in millivolts, or mV (a thousandth of a volt).
Source: _http://www.mathbench.umd.edu/mod207_nernst/page04.htm

 

[Horus_Risen]

I couldn't help but notice that this thread fits together quite nicely with another thread on the forum about the book called "The Field." For those looking for more info and ideas about L-fields and how they interact with our DNA as well as other internal and external influences, check out this thread:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=7462.0

 

[Iron]

These threads gave me a new sense of buterfly wings and chaos theory!
Imagine a portion of DNA being transduced, for that to happen the DNA would have to unfold a litlle releasing light... this light would reach the far places of the universe, interacting with everything in the "path" from other molecules, to living beings, to supernovas!

Jesus... imagine a baby being influcenced in a molecular level by their parents, by their fields! A otherwise perhaps healthy baby, turned sick by being "en rapport" with the parents!

 

[3DStudent]

There's a hardcover of Voices of Spirit on ebay too with no bids: http://cgi.ebay.com/Voices-Spirit-Charles-H-Hapwood-1975-1STED-HCDJ-/300432229123?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item45f3280303.

 

[Aliana]

There are also some copies of Voices of the Spirit at half.com - some of them under $20 if you just want to buy direct.

http://product.half.ebay.com/Voices-of-the-Spirit_W0QQtgZinfoQQprZ204471