Matter and Spirit - The Experimental Evidence

[3DStudent]

I've managed to get the book and read it this weekend.

Wow, I'm a slow poke at reading. :P

My book is the same edition as you have (1992 - from Amazon), and I did noticed the spelling errors as well. I think it just may be human errors, but doesn't take one completely away from the information as conveyed, osit.

Yeah, I was just being a little too worried about it and wondering how much different the other versions are.

 

[Thomas Alan]

I've been reading the book over the past week of so. I got this copy from a vendor through Amazon. Copy write 1972. Signature by the author dated
dated 1979.

The research sited in the introduction is fascinating. Limitless thinking, all things interconnected regardless of time and space, all creation alive on some level.

I question whether Elwood is really channeling the spirits of these famous people. It would be easy for 4D STS entities to mimic these personalities. The conversations sound like someone playing Lincoln or Einstein like an actor would. At one point one of the entities, Cole, if I remember right challenges Hapgood on this. He asks Hapgood why he is focusing on these personalities rather than reaching for something higher.

At one point Hapgood talks about experimenting with dissolving clouds by thinking that they disappear. I tried this twice and by golly it seems to work. In both cases I selected a cloud that was near to another of about the same size. I looked at it intently thinking "dissolve" "dissipate" . When it began to thin I thought "completely". And by George each time it vanished in no more than two minutes leaving the nearby "control cloud" nearly the same as it was. Perhaps a coincidence? If one can really dissolve clouds by thinking than our thoughts indeed can be powerful. And what of the "butterfly effect"?

Another great book selection, thanks, Laura. :)

Mac

 

[3DStudent]

At one point Hapgood talks about experimenting with dissolving clouds by thinking that they disappear. I tried this twice and by golly it seems to work. In both cases I selected a cloud that was near to another of about the same size. I looked at it intently thinking "dissolve" "dissipate" . When it began to thin I thought "completely". And by George each time it vanished in no more than two minutes leaving the nearby "control cloud" nearly the same as it was.

Oh cool, someone who has tried this. I haven't myself and I thought it would be kind of childish to ask if anyone has tried it. I think I might give it a try. And how about them rain dances too? ;)

 

[Thomas Alan]

At one point Hapgood talks about experimenting with dissolving clouds by thinking that they disappear. I tried this twice and by golly it seems to work. In both cases I selected a cloud that was near to another of about the same size. I looked at it intently thinking "dissolve" "dissipate" . When it began to thin I thought "completely". And by George each time it vanished in no more than two minutes leaving the nearby "control cloud" nearly the same as it was.

Oh cool, someone who has tried this. I haven't myself and I thought it would be kind of childish to ask if anyone has tried it. I think I might give it a try. And how about them rain dances too? ;)

Yes, it is an interesting experiment. I will probably try it one more time in accordance with the neutralizing effect of the Law of 3s.
But I am hesitant to mess with the weather until I know more about it. The Butterfly Effect of loosing a cloud might adversely effect the weather elsewhere. We must be thoughtful in what we choose to influence. Or it seems to me right now.

In reading a little further Hapgood's conversation with the Archangel Michael may indeed be a contact with a higher entity than the personalities of well-known people he mostly focuses on. I'm thinking that beings of this level are who we want to look to for guidance. Those above the positives and negatives of the lower realms.

Much to think about, many more experiments to do.

Mac

 

[3DStudent]

But I am hesitant to mess with the weather until I know more about it. The Butterfly Effect of loosing a cloud might adversely effect the weather elsewhere. We must be thoughtful in what we choose to influence. Or it seems to me right now.

Yeah that was my initial concern about trying to "kill a cloud", which seems kinda STS. Aren't the water droplets First Density and if you separate them, you're essentially maiming it? And what is the purpose and effects of doing this?

 

[Iron]

IMHO, dispersing a cloud just to check if you can do it, in other words, dispersing a cloud just for the heck of it seems to me pure STS. However, I can be totally wrong.

Another thing that occured to me is that 4D STS can perhaps "confirm" those kind of things for you in order to distract you from the chosen path. In other words, staging coincidences to make one believe he has the power?

 

[RyanX]

At one point Hapgood talks about experimenting with dissolving clouds by thinking that they disappear. I tried this twice and by golly it seems to work. In both cases I selected a cloud that was near to another of about the same size. I looked at it intently thinking "dissolve" "dissipate" . When it began to thin I thought "completely". And by George each time it vanished in no more than two minutes leaving the nearby "control cloud" nearly the same as it was. Perhaps a coincidence? If one can really dissolve clouds by thinking than our thoughts indeed can be powerful. And what of the "butterfly effect"?

Mac,

I've done this before and yes, it does appear to work with smaller clouds that are at lower altitudes. I had originally read about this years ago on this webpage:

_http://educate-yourself.org/cn/visualrayrevisited03apr07.shtml

However, from the experiments I did, I had to conclude that it had nothing to do about my intent to dissolve the cloud other than the fact that I intended to stare at it for a long time. It appeared that however this works, it has more to do with focused gazing than it had to do with any sort of mind over matter effect. Something to do with the eyes perhaps? I'm not sure.

 

[sid]

Another link for the book, pretty cheap, starting from $4.25
http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?index=books&linkCode=qs&keywords=1881343006
Ordered a copy just now.

 

[Thomas Alan]

IMHO, dispersing a cloud just to check if you can do it, in other words, dispersing a cloud just for the heck of it seems to me pure STS. However, I can be totally wrong.

Another thing that occured to me is that 4D STS can perhaps "confirm" those kind of things for you in order to distract you from the chosen path. In other words, staging coincidences to make one believe he has the power?

Thanks, Iron:

I've not thought of it that way. Perhaps there was a bit of "see if I can do it" in the experiment. And it could be that I didn't do it as you suggest but was aided by the bad guys. Or maybe the results were just a coincidence. Clouds can change their form rapidly for many reasons.

In any case it was a one time experiment. The book moved many things in me and this was just a small part.

Mac

 

[3DStudent]

The book moved many things in me and this was just a small part.

Yeah this and the part about Native American rain dances were interesting. I was thinking of us in the forum doing a "rain dance", but to alter the weather and people's perceptions of reality. Kind of like what is being spoken of in this thread: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=18442.0. Basically us creating a "wave" of our own of consciousness and awakening through spreading the EE program. I'm not a dancer, but I'd dance to that idea.

 

[Gertrudes]

I finally managed to read this very interesting book excerpt. This paragraph caught my eye:

Russell points out that a field is not dependent upon the material it organizes. A magnet may attract iron filings and form them into a pattern. If the filings are then thrown out and new filings substituted, the magnet organized them into the same pattern. The L-field of the body, in the same way, might survive the body and organize other bodies. The T-field may exist indefinitely, as long as the force that created them exists. And what force can this be but the ultimate creative force?

If a field is not dependent upon the material it organizes, then it really leaves space for all sorts of possibilities...

I was also thinking about something related to when you return to a recently visited place. Like at work when I enter a room, I will have a memory pop into my head of the thoughts I had last time in there. I wonder if it's just the associative aspect of memory, or is it picking up thoughts stored in the "air".

Perhaps a combination of both. I'm thinking of the studies of TC Lethbridge, in his book "The power of the pendulum", amongst other things he explores the subject of memories and how they seemed to be stored in a supposedly non living organism such as stones or water. From his experiments, it was very possible for an individual to pick up on these stored memories/energies.

 

[Green_Manalishi]

Hi.

The aspect of all living things and non-living, sharing some kind of communication through this fields and remembering something i read years ago in a book by Jeremy Narby, where he talked about the fact that cells in our body needed to communicate in a yet unknown fashion in order for all the complex actions of our body to be made, makes a statement of Mouravieff, in one of the Gnosis books, very real, and i will quote it from memory: "when our cells look up what they see is a sky full of stars ..."

Indeed, reality is by far stranger and more beautiful then fiction.

 

[kenlee]

Hapgood's book Voices Of Spirit just came in and I'm reading it now. One of the first things that I read after initially browsing through the book was in the epilogue section. Imo, it was so good that I posted an excerpt below:

We all stand on the thresholds of mysteries beyond mysteries, of infinite realities beyond the capacity of any of us, in or out of the body, to conceive. We must and do stand in awe of the presence of these mysteries. We can advance only a little way, an inch at a time into the face of these mysteries, and with every step we take we move from some certainty into the unknown. What faith this requires! Don’t you think that it required faith for Columbus to leave Palos on a voyage shrouded with darkness and terrors? He risked all he had, forsaking the firm ground of Spain and the firm ground of accepted beliefs on the quest of knowledge. Indeed he had great faith.

So, first of all, for this communication we need great faith. We must adventure hazardous possibilities, risk perhaps our reputations, our friends, our livelihoods, for this truth. We must be determined to press on, to discover the truth, no matter what befalls.

Attentiveness, too, is needed. There must be attention paid to every slightest sign, every piece of evidence, no matter how small, how apparently insignificant. Remember that this is merely the procedure of science. Do you think that with the discovery of evolution or of atomic power that the critical evidences pointing in the direction of discovery were obvious from the start? If they had been the discoveries would have been made earlier. The clues on the path of discovery are very hard to see, not because we or anybody makes them so, but by the simple law, which is practically mathematical probability, that what is perfectly obvious is likely to be discovered earlier then the truth that is deeper and more difficult for our understandings to grasp.

Now let me consider: you have asked me to give you pointers that may assist communication. So we have said there is required in the first place an act of faith, and in the second attentiveness to the bits of evidence that float down in the atmosphere of your earth, mentally speaking. Now, thirdly, I must ask you to remember that in your world there is a hostility, not merely an ignorance, but venomous hostility to the truths of communication between what you call different worlds, really between your part of the world and the world as a whole. This hostility has its rise in the material interests of people, and in their fear of being deprived in some way of their positions of advantage.

The spiritual world, the greater world of the spirit, is a threat, let me tell you Charles, to all the sinecures, all the worldly advantages, all the pride of place and power, that themselves combine to lay a pall of darkness, of conflict (sometimes bloody, sometimes not) on the civilizations of the planet Earth. Not that there are other planets with civilizations better then yours, for those planets, too, enshrouded or limited by the conditions of existence in physical matter, all have similar problems, no matter where that are, scattered in or beyond the galaxy.

 

[Gateway]

These same contents and investigations of Backster and others can be found in The Secret Life of Plants by Peter Tomkis, Christopher Bird. So this is other source of this same material for whom is looking for it. I did read this book when a was a kid, a impressive reading I thought upon that occasion. And it still is unfortunately... cause at that time I believed naively that humanity was profoundly changing for better along the following years. Other times, other world that.

 

[gnosisxsophia]

But I am hesitant to mess with the weather until I know more about it. The Butterfly Effect of loosing a cloud might adversely effect the weather elsewhere. We must be thoughtful in what we choose to influence. Or it seems to me right now.

Yeah that was my initial concern about trying to "kill a cloud", which seems kinda STS. Aren't the water droplets First Density and if you separate them, you're essentially maiming it? And what is the purpose and effects of doing this?

Hi Team,

In regard to the experiential subject of dissolving clouds / cloudbursting / cloud killing etc. as discussed above.

I find the comments re: STS a particularly interesting example and intent and perception.

As many will attest the phenomenon is easily proven yet not so quickly explained and certainly does not require the use of orgone cannons or laser beams projected from the 3rd eye...........

As to the purpose of such an experiment, in my opinion, it is a particular elegant confirmation of the reality of the illusion (the 3D waking dream) we operate in.

The intention therefore in how an individual approaches the activity is likely to be of far more interest than the phenomena itself and in my case it is rewarded by simply asking the question ''Are you really there?"

And from this realisation, piercing the glamour of the "Hologram of Deception" seems to proceed a little easier.

Cheers