Meditation and Inspiration

[Phill4]

As i have been thinking about all of this, meditation with seed seems appropiate for certain purposes, but that is not to be confused with starting meditation thinking it has not seed.

Meditation with no seed

Disciplining the mind to remain silent is a bit harder, it is a discipline.
This deals with the question what is the mechanism of thinking loops, daydreaming, and inner talk, in general?
I ask bacuase that has been the case in the past and so it may be to some extend or another simmilar to other people.

There are times where it is much easier to remain focused, and even during EE we can really reach down, and other times where stress seem to overwhelm us and we find it impossible to focus.

So lots of practice amount for achieving a state of silence. This practice i think can arrange our habitual pathways of thinking.
Practice and adding knowledge.


Meditation with seed:

I have heard somewhere that retaining an image, a color or a sound can help concentration and increase attention for the person.

I wanted to share something that was shared with me some time back in 7th grade, after reading Guille's experience, it reminded me of a friend who shared a book called the "The Prayer of the Frog -Anthony de Mello" he said that the way his dad explained how to read this book was to take a sentence a day and maditate over it for some time usually 10 minutes.
The book contains many quotes and tales from phylisophers and whatnot, all put together in this book for this purpose, but it is up to our own thinking to decide, with our knowledge what is best to include and best to not meditate on, It may be a good idea when it comes to meditation with seed about OBJECTIVE seeds, thoughs and phrases, things from the C's maybe, as internalizing a wrong or rotten phrace can lead to delusions and self-deception.

here is the introductory quote:

.When Brother Bruno was at prayer one night he was disturbed by the croaking of a bullfrog. All his attempts to disregard the sound were unsuccessful so he shouted from his window, “Quiet! I’m at my prayers.”
Now Brother Bruno was a saint so his command was instantly obeyed. Every living creature held its voice so as to create a silence that would be favourable to prayer.
But now another sound intruded on Bruno’s worship— an inner voice that said, “Maybe God is as pleased with the croaking of that frog as with the chanting of your psalms.” “What can please the ears of God in the croak of a frog?” was Bruno’s scornful rejoinder. But the voice refused to give up: “Why would you think God invented the sound?”
Bruno decided to find out why. He leaned out of his window and gave the order, “Sing!” The bullfrog’s measured croaking filled the air to the ludicrous accompaniment of all the frogs in the vicinity. And as Bruno attended to the sound, their voices ceased to jar for he discovered that, if he stopped resisting them, they actually enriched the silence of the night.
With that discovery Bruno’s heart became harmonious with the universe and, for the first time in his life he understood what it means to pray.

This story is very very interesting and inspirational, The frog starts off as an annoyance in his mind, why is it distrubing my meditation, it can be translated to the people outside the Work, those who we meet daily that are just unbearable, but what he came to see is that that was the way the frog prays.

I think is it a good idea each and every person extrapolates what they make out of this story from their current perspective,
I thought i'd share.

 

[Temperance]

As i have been thinking about all of this, meditation with seed seems appropiate for certain purposes, but that is not to be confused with starting meditation thinking it has not seed.

Meditation with no seed

Disciplining the mind to remain silent is a bit harder, it is a discipline.
This deals with the question what is the mechanism of thinking loops, daydreaming, and inner talk, in general?
I ask bacuase that has been the case in the past and so it may be to some extend or another simmilar to other people.

There are times where it is much easier to remain focused, and even during EE we can really reach down, and other times where stress seem to overwhelm us and we find it impossible to focus.

So lots of practice amount for achieving a state of silence. This practice i think can arrange our habitual pathways of thinking.
Practice and adding knowledge.


Meditation with seed:

I have heard somewhere that retaining an image, a color or a sound can help concentration and increase attention for the person.

I wanted to share something that was shared with me some time back in 7th grade, after reading Guille's experience, it reminded me of a friend who shared a book called the "The Prayer of the Frog -Anthony de Mello" he said that the way his dad explained how to read this book was to take a sentence a day and maditate over it for some time usually 10 minutes.
The book contains many quotes and tales from phylisophers and whatnot, all put together in this book for this purpose, but it is up to our own thinking to decide, with our knowledge what is best to include and best to not meditate on, It may be a good idea when it comes to meditation with seed about OBJECTIVE seeds, thoughs and phrases, things from the C's maybe, as internalizing a wrong or rotten phrace can lead to delusions and self-deception.

here is the introductory quote:

.When Brother Bruno was at prayer one night he was disturbed by the croaking of a bullfrog. All his attempts to disregard the sound were unsuccessful so he shouted from his window, “Quiet! I’m at my prayers.”
Now Brother Bruno was a saint so his command was instantly obeyed. Every living creature held its voice so as to create a silence that would be favourable to prayer.
But now another sound intruded on Bruno’s worship— an inner voice that said, “Maybe God is as pleased with the croaking of that frog as with the chanting of your psalms.” “What can please the ears of God in the croak of a frog?” was Bruno’s scornful rejoinder. But the voice refused to give up: “Why would you think God invented the sound?”
Bruno decided to find out why. He leaned out of his window and gave the order, “Sing!” The bullfrog’s measured croaking filled the air to the ludicrous accompaniment of all the frogs in the vicinity. And as Bruno attended to the sound, their voices ceased to jar for he discovered that, if he stopped resisting them, they actually enriched the silence of the night.
With that discovery Bruno’s heart became harmonious with the universe and, for the first time in his life he understood what it means to pray.

This story is very very interesting and inspirational, The frog starts off as an annoyance, why is it distrubing my meditation, it can be translated to the people outside the work, those who we meet daily that are just unbearable, but what he came to see is that that was the way the frog prays.

I think is it a good idea each and every person extrapolates what they make out of this story from their current perspective,
I thought i'd share.

Indeed, trying to maintain the mind quiet is a difficult task. A method I have used in the past is of tying knots on a string(or using beads), let's say like 20 or something like that. Set an alarm for 10 minutes. Then you hold the string on one hand at the beginning of it, and try to hold your mind completely silent. Every time a thought or image pops up, you pass one knot from one hand to the other, then try to bring your focus back to silence. At the end of the 10 minutes, you can count the knots, thus the thoughts that interrupted the silence. This practice is a tangible way to track the improvement of your ability to hold silence. Perhaps some pipe breaths for a couple of minutes before this can help "warm up" or prime the silent state. Just something to experiment with.

I also agree about being meticulous about the seed we choose, and seeking something objective. I suppose this is where our conscious search for knowledge helps us.

Regarding the quote from "The Prayer of the Frog", what I get from it is that Brother Bruno wasn't seeing divinity in everything, but rather just in his own ritual practice of reciting the prayers. From what I understand about the double-attention discussed in Gnosis, we should focus on the external surroundings as well as our internal state, looking to harmonize the two, like said in the end of the quote. This could also be a metaphor for the approach of the Fourth Way, which is immersed in the world, and not seeking to isolate ourselves from it, osit.

 

[obyvatel]

[quote author=Felipe]
As i have been thinking about all of this, meditation with seed seems appropiate for certain purposes, but that is not to be confused with starting meditation thinking it has not seed.

Meditation with no seed

Disciplining the mind to remain silent is a bit harder, it is a discipline.
This deals with the question what is the mechanism of thinking loops, daydreaming, and inner talk, in general?
I ask bacuase that has been the case in the past and so it may be to some extend or another simmilar to other people.

There are times where it is much easier to remain focused, and even during EE we can really reach down, and other times where stress seem to overwhelm us and we find it impossible to focus.

So lots of practice amount for achieving a state of silence. This practice i think can arrange our habitual pathways of thinking.
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Here is a thread where thought loops were discussed.
Battling Thought Loops by having an Aim

Meditation can be considered as a skill which is very useful in a variety of life situations. For those who wish to get better at it, using the skill model may be of some value.

IMO, discussions about the differences between seeded and unseeded meditations would perhaps be more meaningful after some level of skill building in meditation. To build skill in meditation, discussions about what one is trying to get out of meditation, the difficulties one is facing and ways about overcoming or bypassing these difficulties may be more useful.

For example, take silencing the mind. That is not what I focus on as a meditation goal. One of the things I focus on with directed meditations is to stay on task despite distractions. How I do it with EE is described in the "Thought Loops" thread.

Since the meditation topic was brought up, let me digress a bit and share my experience. I have used long memorized prayers since childhood, not knowing that this was meditation. I have observed after some practice with it, mind starts wandering. The standard advice is to bring the mind back and restart . I had added counting - as in I would keep track of how many times I am reciting the prayer in my mind and continue until I reach a target. When I did that, more mental resources were needed. If you have tried doing the EE without the audio, you can easily see what I am talking about. 12+12+6 counts 3 stage breathing; 12 counts X3 of warrior's breath; 30X3 of each of long, medium and short beatha and 7 times POTS.

A time comes when the breathing and counting and reciting can be done accurately and still there is scope for mind wandering in between. Then one can add body sensing. One sequence I use is - right leg, left leg, right arm, left arm, waist-belly, chest-back, face-head. I guess one can substitute sensing with visualization at this stage. I prefer sensing. It is possible to become more granular with sensing tasks as well.

Basically, the idea is to increase the cognitive load on the system and engaging different brain areas at the same time. This works better for me than trying to bring the mind back to a task that I can perform automatically without effort after some practice. It is possible to go as far as the mind can take on simultaneously. Not saying that this is good for everybody - just something I do and find useful. It is useful to look at meditation as a skill or tool. One has to build it up with practice over time. It does not happen overnight.

There is a reason to practice like this. Usually, when we are faced with any task, if the difficulty level of the task is far above our current skill level, it leads to anxiety and stress. In meditation terms, it would be like getting frustrated that I cannot get "my mind quiet" if that is the goal, since skill levels are not there yet. Common thing for people to do is to then give up. On the other side, if the difficulty level of the task is much lower compared to our skill level (as is likely to happen when one diligently practices something for a period of time), boredom results and then also one can just give up. To get the most out of any useful practice and sustain, it is important to tailor the practice such that the difficulty level is a little higher than the current skill level but doable with some effort. Then the "keep on keeping on" adage becomes less drudgery and more enjoyable. Also, the results are higher skills which, in the case of meditation, are quite portable in different life activities.

Other than that, I use meditation to cultivate a state of awareness which is not narrowly identified with whatever thoughts/feelings/sensations which may be ruling the roost at the moment. This can be a life saver at times when one is feeling down and despondent. Whatever feeling or thought that arises, no matter how dark or how noble, how painful or how pleasurable, we can experience that as "a feeling" or "a thought" rather than something the ego can claim possession and wallow in. My skill level on this activity is lower than the previous type of meditation, so it is very much a work in progress. Per my understanding, cultivating such awareness can be the aim of meditation without seed.


Coming back to silencing one's mind, I have my doubts whether that is a state even people who dedicate their entire lives to meditation actually achieve, given the brain imaging studies that have been performed on experienced meditators, and the state of the default mode network (DMN) in their brains. So, based on my current understanding, the practical goal of meditation is not to silence one's mind but

- to accept what goes on in the mind without narrowly identifying with the contents of the mind
- to develop the "muscle" to stay on task despite distractions and increase the size of working memory

 

[Phill4]

There is a reason to practice like this. Usually, when we are faced with any task, if the difficulty level of the task is far above our current skill level, it leads to anxiety and stress. In meditation terms, it would be like getting frustrated that I cannot get "my mind quiet" if that is the goal, since skill levels are not there yet. Common thing for people to do is to then give up. On the other side, if the difficulty level of the task is much lower compared to our skill level (as is likely to happen when one diligently practices something for a period of time), boredom results and then also one can just give up. To get the most out of any useful practice and sustain, it is important to tailor the practice such that the difficulty level is a little higher than the current skill level but doable with some effort. Then the "keep on keeping on" adage becomes less drudgery and more enjoyable. Also, the results are higher skills which, in the case of meditation, are quite portable in different life activities.

Other than that, I use meditation to cultivate a state of awareness which is not narrowly identified with whatever thoughts/feelings/sensations which may be ruling the roost at the moment. This can be a life saver at times when one is feeling down and despondent. Whatever feeling or thought that arises, no matter how dark or how noble, how painful or how pleasurable, we can experience that as "a feeling" or "a thought" rather than something the ego can claim possession and wallow in. My skill level on this activity is lower than the previous type of meditation, so it is very much a work in progress. Per my understanding, cultivating such awareness can be the aim of meditation without seed.


Coming back to silencing one's mind, I have my doubts whether that is a state even people who dedicate their entire lives to meditation actually achieve, given the brain imaging studies that have been performed on experienced meditators, and the state of the default mode network (DMN) in their brains. So, based on my current understanding, the practical goal of meditation is not to silence one's mind but

- to accept what goes on in the mind without narrowly identifying with the contents of the mind
- to develop the "muscle" to stay on task despite distractions and increase the size of working memory

Very interesting thanks for sharing.


I have been thinking about the whole idea of the root of the mind, the structure of the personality, programs triggered from reactions and the silencing of the mind and the essence.

Silencing the mind completely is not possible, (octave of impressions and DO 48)
i think though, it reffers to the noise we create through our inner talking and how the intellectual center has its biases from our life experiences which form the inner argument, conflict etc, as a result of a reaction.
It also depends on the personality type, naturally i feel my interpretation in general tend to be intellectual naturally , so alot of these observations come from the personality i am observing (mine) though some may apply.

I mean our thinking patterns which prevents us from listening or observing, and how our attention splits.

Just listening to how our thoughts happen, since we may get involved with them and stop observing, so pulling oneself out of them by remembering the meditation and then coming back to the meditation is part of this practice. It just breaks the loop.


It may not be connected all to the subeject of meditation but i have been thinking the way we consciously and unconsciously split our attention is a key element to the idea of the constitution of conflicting programs, and seemingly irrational or out of place reactions.

Also, i was thinking the other day, you know when people speak about remembering, i forgot a key so i had to go back to get it, as i went back i asked myself how do we forget? If we are litteraly looking at something how can we forget it? It is a form of dissociation. Which is a way the mind splits attention between different internal processes taking place.
Those triggered from external stimuly
Those that are further triggered internaly from internal factors, programs and the kind

Our attention is, while "awake" split and divided so much it is easy to forget things.

Silencing i guess reffers to a state where certain programs or functions of the intellectual center which take up most our our attention, or thinking faculties that take care of calculting, projecting and assuming to be slowed down, so that we are in attention in the present moment.
Thos thinking faculties are useful for planing and all, but it is not being in the present but using attention to dissociate in a world of probabilities, calculations, projections, imagination.

The part of the intellect that needs to remain active , i think , during silence is recalling, remmembering and observation.

I think this form of silencing puts our thinking reactions in a pasive mode and allow our attention and observation active and to be in the present, which is always vibrating and exisiting all the time, we can sense things without anticipation of the result.

I think in summary i think it reffers to a form of non anticipatory attention and to feed this "parhway" through practice.

Some thoughts

 

[bozadi]

I’ve kept contemplating on various aspects of this topic and I think I’m gradually getting more capable of drawing a holistic and coherent picture of such various aspects and I feel greatly indebted to the existence of this forum in this regard.

The C’s said something about the benefit of looking at the Sun while it is rising or setting. You know, the Sun is the Source/God of the physical life on Earth. The material, vegetative, animal and human life on Earth is absolutely dependent on the Sun; literally, they couldn’t have existed and can’t in any moment exist without it. Although we can and do have some problems about extreme solar radiation or extreme deficiency of it, I haven’t come across anyone say “I wish the Sun didn’t exist”, which statement would already sound very paradoxical.

We know and/or believe that our physical self or body is not our real self, that our souls are our true selves, although our physical beings also seem to be an essential tool or part of our true selves in our current local reality/school. Our physical beings are like an indicator or a symbol of our spiritual beings. And just like that, it appears that our physical Sun is an indicator or a symbol of a spiritual Sun, which is probably what we people call 7D. And just like the physical Sun is the source and the indispensable enabler of our physical being and life on Earth, the spiritual Sun is probably the source and the indispensable enabler of our spiritual being and life on Earth and anywhere maybe.

You know, ego is generally defined as the false self. This is like the falsehood of taking our physical beings as our true beings (or physicality as truth) despite the apparently natural and important relation between spirit and matter. Probably an extent of ego is very natural in our local level of reality but serious problems arise when its extent gets too high involving a significant level of negativity. When we experience too much negativity not as a relatively transient and/or justifiable reaction to some perceived evil condition but as a more generalized negativity potentially adopted as representing reality, it appears that this is where the extent of ego is very problematic. When we significantly lack an existential awareness that provides us with vital confidence and joy which are not, at least at a certain critical threshold, necessarily dependent on the specific conditions of life/experience, then we probably have been identified with or assimilated by ego at an extreme level.

Ego / false self seems to be closely related to physicality, or abuse of physicality. You know, the puppeteers of the psychopathic world order, who are also known to be the lords of disinformation/falsehood, utilize the control they have somehow gained on some very critical material resources of our social life in order to purposefully instill stress, anxiety and fear in us in numerous explicit and implicit ways. And when we are identified with our local physical reality too much and, as N. Maharaj describes, when we get caught in the egotistical vicious circle of “fear and desire”, then our awareness of our spiritual/true identity is weakened and this also constricts our channel of existential vitality, confidence, joy, etc. And apparently, one main benefit of meditation is to create an opportunity to diminish our mind’s possible tendency to run based on the mutual cycling of desire and fear, the ego, the false self. I think the problematic aspect of desire is that about a denial of truth, that, in our true/spiritual mode of being or awareness, we have already free access to the most vital, most priceless, most beautiful existential energies; these are probably the natural emissions of true being. As regards “free access to positivity”, of course this is not that simple in our very egotistical/STS reality. I think access to such natural STO energies can only be maintained by avoiding getting deeper in the ego path and also by keeping a strong awareness of one’s true universal/central/existential identity. And this is not really easy considering the conditions of our collective life conditions. And I suspect that this is also related to what the C’s described as All who have fallen must learn "the hard way." I think the “hard way” is, in part, the “individual way”. Because an egotistical society cannot really help us get rid of our individual share of ego. The society in general will not work on us to heal us, we must work on ourselves to heal ourselves, if we really want to do this. To heal, we must sufficiently be aware that we are not healthy but our relatively healthy tendency to identify with society, which is not really aware of its ego illness, has some serious assimilative influences which makes it even harder for us to get aware of our pathological false self that constricts our channel of true vital positivity. But working alone is potentially problematic in itself because positivity is intrinsically about the Service to Others. It tends to grow in familial networks. The society in general offer a mixture of some positive and also negative potentials. A network such as this forum is most precious because it makes the “hard way” much easier, potentially, although I haven’t been sufficiently involved in it, partly in connection with my own egotistical blockages, and preferred to follow at a certain distance.

In my individual quest, with the help of the guidelines such as provided here, I have tended to question and find about the source of existence, vitality, positivity, etc. This tendency has a serious potential of going new-agey but, again with the help of various guidelines especially including this one, I also try to question this potential for a significant egotistical deviation.

These days, based on the above ideas, I feel that I should test my awareness of and/or belief in an intrinsically positive/STO nature of existence as physically exemplified by the Sun, and spiritually by 7D, the Spiritual/Eternal Sun, as I currently perceive it.

In my meditations or contemplations on this topic, when I get some healing and reassuring results by practicing this belief, I don’t necessarily have a desire to escape our ordinary world reality and take refuge in an artificial and transient balloon of positivity. I don’t have a desire of running elsewhere or getting isolated from people or society in general. I don’t ignore the dominant psychopathological status quo. When I try to enquire myself about what do I need to do, I naturally answer myself that I should continue practicing the belief in and awareness of the essentially unshakeable positive/STO nature of existence and in my complete identification with it so that my ego will gradually fade away, blockages will gradually be healed, and I’ll be able to interact with others in a gradually more healing way.

But it is not really easy to tune into and interact with the simple eternal truth at whatever extent possible when we can’t really escape being continuously bombarded with the crushing STS pressures of our status quo as well as our own ego.

 

[Phill4]

Hi bozadi, the idea of the sun as our material god and thus there being an ethereal or spiritual god reminded me of the idea that Don Juan explained of the eagle, and also the idea G. Mentioned as the vibrations from the absolute.

The way i see this complex issue is that as much as we see and perceive things we do, we must realize ti what extend has the world impacted us, like the constant bombardment of negative influences.
And these we got from our years of formation.

I think of the idea of layers and levels.

Our being is composed of many structures with many layers and levels.
And because of the programming we experienced while growing and all of it we carry to some degree these influences.

So we could bring the idea of the inner and outer worked.
The inner world has many layers, but on our current state because programming, we function with our three centers in disorder one doing the thing is not supposed to and then the next minute anothercenter is doing something else.
There is an intertwined relationship between them but we can say that our body, emotions and thinking are different densities of the same expression acting in different levels of the being.

Our programs and issues, seems to be a great limitation to see anythingmore than our current awareness.

The reason, is because as i see it, a program for example is how our centers are arranged "improperly" and out of balance and sync, that we spend time and what results form this arrangement as a number of thinking, emotional and physical programs issues and loops.

But all three centers act in their own level at the same time together.


The outter world, can be analogically described the same, where there are levels of density in matter, and different structures and different layers andlevels. A level of it can be the physical world while another level can be the social construct.
This social construct being heavily influenced by negativity coming from a higher level of density.


But there is an important connection: when the C's said "the battle is through Us", meaning that those who can resonate (because of theway they are internally structured and their FRV) with STS forces consciously or more commonly unconsciously, through these very programs the circuit is completed so to speak.

A person who has a particular tendency to argue because and a tendency to drink is more prone to act in accordance with certain forces through or while the program or tendency is activated.

Emotions are at the core of a program, sometimes these emotions are blockages which are crystallized

If the war is fought through us, and the person has way to many programs, attachments, and/or lacks a magnetic center, any number of things can come through as a result, good and bad, that is why awareness is so important, because then one is aware that our many splits can become an opening for things which belong to a negative aspect of a different order translated into our density.



So i think to begin with it is important to bring G.comments that study of the machine and its functions is key.
And that the study of the Self must run parallel to the study of the World.
To understand the divisions in ourselves how our centers work
And learn , identify our programs.

 

[bozadi]

Hi Felipe4

If the war is fought through us, and the person has way to many programs, attachments, and/or lacks a magnetic center, any number of things can come through as a result, good and bad, that is why awareness is so important, because then one is aware that our many splits can become an opening for things which belong to a negative aspect of a different order translated into our density.

So i think to begin with it is important to bring G.comments that study of the machine and its functions is key.
And that the study of the Self must run parallel to the study of the World.
To understand the divisions in ourselves how our centers work
And learn , identify our programs.

As you describe, we have all these various and numerous problems in us and those that we are severely subjected thanks to the dominant STS status quo. The STS forces have filled humanity's life scene with extreme dread and misery. So, if we essentially were being determined by our immeditate external environment and conditions, then, I suppose, we couldn't resist being profoundly assimilated by the STS forces. I wonder where we essentially find the power to significantly resist against being completely assimilated by such overwhelmingly high levels of pressure by the STS status quo? I think it is primarily our very being/existence that we draw strength from, because being/existence is primarily a function of STO, although it is freewill to opt for being or non-being, eventually. And it seems that our purposefully engineered STS life conditions manage to significantly feed our false self, ego, which casts a significant shadow over our awareness of our identification with the universal, central, unified nature of being/existence.

Yes, I believe that the relation between the Planet Earth and the Sun is like a symbolization of the relation between 3D and 7D. Physical life on Earth cannot occur independently of the Sun and just like that, it follows, no life can occur in any density or dimension of reality independently of 7D.

Q: (L) The "Arcturians" talk about the path to the Great Central Sun. What is the Great Central Sun, and what does this mean, "The path to the Great Central Sun?"

A: 7th level.

It seems that the concept of religion is based on an awareness of the relation between our local reality and a higher one(s). If I remember it accurately enough, the C's said something like "The source of everything in your realm is a higher realm". I think that our very beings are also included in this. I mean, it seems that "any Being whatsoever" is a part of the Great Central Being, so to say. By the same token, I suppose that an STO being will say, "I am a part and very self of the Great Central Being". An STS being will probably reject this idea and have a great resistance against identification with it. I think that they, at least some of them, are aware of it but instead of identification, they want to "get" and control it personally. And according to the C's, STS beings hate the "light" and essentially want to turn it off completely. I think the C's said something like "this is not completely impossible but very improbable", again, if I remember sufficiently accurately.

Now, it currently appears to me that what we call an ego is an STS being potentiality that we all have. STS forces cannot control and assimilate STO beings (4D STO and above) and thus some of them try to control and assimilate 3D populations. Probably STO forces carefully look after 3D civilizations but it is all free will, eventually. This seems to be related to the "war fought through us".

But I don't suppose that this means that we must always dedicate all our attention to 7D and our identification with it. You know, we cannot even directly stare at a noon Sun without injuring our eyes, even if temporarily. This might also be a sign that we are not supposed to give all our attention to 7D. We are not in or on the Sun, we are here on Earth. We are in the world, this is our place as terran humanity. And our experiences here is what really counts. Hence, "All of us have a long way to go, but getting there is half the fun." This must also be related to the explanation "STO flows outward and touches all including point of origin, STS flows inward and touches only origin point." You know, I previously related this statement to a symbol of the Sun. STS beings, wherever they are, singularly aim to have an "absolute" control of everyone and everything based on personal desire. STO groups don't seek such control of each other or others or their environment, they are just happy by being in service of each other, others, and their environment. Maybe this is also about the problem with so-called "new-age" approach. It is often focused on personal gratification rather than truly being in service of humanity. "New-agers" tend to sell/buy a formula of absolute self-gratification and, as such, a solution against human misery without wholeheartedly acknowledging the presence of (and therefore the vitally critical necessity of collectively counteracting against) an octopus-like psychopathological world order in almost all areas of global human life including government, military, religion, economy, culture, education, etc. especially by empowering and exploiting what we call human ego, which actually desentisizes and weakens people in the face of their extreme misery and dread.

I can't deny that suggestions I make such as under this topic can easily be associated with new-age deception. The idea of accessing vitality/positivity as directly as possible by developing an awareness and/or belief based on a certain cosmological reality, even if it is pictured by the C's, can be deceptive or misleading if such idea tends to take one away from acknowledging and counteracting the above mentioned reality of human ego and the blood-chillingly dominant psychopathological order.

I believe that there must be a balance between consolidating a certain belief in, and utilizing, a profound existential positivity/vitality based on a certain cosmological perspective on the one side and doing whatever we can against the terror of the situation on the other.

I want to attract attention to the fact all of us occasionally experience a profound and non-egotistical confidence, joy, peace, etc. inspiring a sincere urge to be of service to others. Such positivity is not necessarily derived from a pool fed by others around us. Or, lets say you see or hear something for which you make a very positive reaction although you were depressed seconds ago and although you know you will not receive any concrete benefit in connection with what you see or hear. So it is a reaction. Either concrete or not, things happen to "trigger" high and low morale in us. So this means we have in us a source or a channel or window of access to high and low morale. Even now, you might feel in your chest the potentiality of high and low morale waiting to be triggered. Of course, this is not always the case. There will be things, developments, happenings which we expect or not and which we know, when it happens, will naturally and concretely influence our life experience in some positive or negative ways. But we know or can feel that it is generally us ourselves who allow the triggering or high or low morale inside us in a certain situation, although our reactions to simple onetime situations are naturally related to our longterm base of experiences and our objective or subjective conclusions based on them.

So, although this will not apply all the times, we can feel that we are able to attract, receive or stimulate positivity and negativity independently of our immediate conditions. But, surely, our life conditions very significantly influence our such ability, generally towards the negative, perhaps. And our ego will surely lead us to the negative in the longterm, probably despite a very positive outlook in the shortterm. And the very bad looking situation of the world and humanity also most significantly influence our ability to independently stimulate high morale for ourselves (one willing to be shared, of course.) So I think this is why having a strong belief in a positively/STO based absolute reality including our very being is important. I think this can help us with our ability to make, at any moment, an awareness/belief based interaction with life or central/unified being that stimulates high morale.

I think that what most scares or depresses us is not really what happens or what will or can happen in our life with the current prospects of the world, but in what kind of an inner state we will get caught in it. Awareness and belief is most critical in this sense, I think. Even in consideration of very bad possibilities, it is our deepest and most profound awareness and/or belief that counts for us rather than the apparent unbearability of a situation or condition.

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An example of what I tried to explain in the last paragraph of my above post:

Q: (L) In the reference cited, Joan of Arc is described as feeling ecstatic while burning at the stake. Is that what you mean?

A: Sort of, but you need not burn at the stake.

But this doesn't really need to be about ways of death. Anything.

 

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Accordingly, when we look at the Sun (a rising or setting Sun, as the C's suggest), we are probably looking at the most central physical manifestation of STO in our local reality.

 

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"STO flows outward and touches all including point of origin, STS flows inward and touches only origin point." You know, I previously related this statement to a symbol of the Sun. STS beings, wherever they are, singularly aim to have an "absolute" control of everyone and everything based on personal desire. STO groups don't seek such control of each other or others or their environment, they are just happy by being in service of each other, others, and their environment. Maybe this is also about the problem with so-called "new-age" approach. It is often focused on personal gratification rather than truly being in service of humanity. "New-agers" tend to sell/buy a formula of absolute self-gratification and, as such, a solution against human misery without wholeheartedly acknowledging the presence of (and therefore the vitally critical necessity of collectively counteracting against) an octopus-like psychopathological world order in almost all areas of global human life including government, military, religion, economy, culture, education, etc. especially by empowering and exploiting what we call human ego, which actually desentisizes and weakens people in the face of their extreme misery and dread.

While I was discussing with friends about sexuality yesterday, I noticed a certain parallelism between sexual or orgasmic drive and the subject matter of the above quote. Like many of the ideas I shared previously, it is most likely that this has also been addressed by others in the forum in explicit and implicit ways but I want to tell anyway.

The Ra explains that the "pre-veil" (or "pre-fall", although the two concepts might differ in certain aspects) humanity, which was STO by default, experienced a serious difficulty in graduating from 3D to 4D. In the freely granted STO conditions, they had no fear at all, they had anything they needed and thus they had become lazy and insentient and thus they lacked the enthusiasm or urge to advance towards a higher level, which probably meant a serious learning work.

Questioner: Then even though, from our point of view, there was great evolutionary experience it was deemed at some point by the evolving Logos that an experiment to create a greater experience was appropriate. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and may benefit from comment. The Logos is aware of the nature of the third-density requirement for what you have called graduation. All the previous, if you would use this term, experiments, although resulting in many experiences, lacked what was considered the crucial ingredient; that is, polarization. There was little enough tendency for experience to polarize entities that entities repeated habitually the third-density cycles many times over. It was desired that the potential for polarization be made more available.

Questioner: Then since the only possibility at this particular time, as I see it, was a polarization for service to others, I must assume from what you said that even though all were aware of this service-to-others necessity they were unable to achieve it. What was the configuration of mind of the mind/body/spirit complexes at that time? Were they aware of the necessity for the polarization or unaware of it? And if so, why did they have such a difficult time serving others to the extent necessary for graduation since this was the only polarity possible?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, the tendency of those who are divinely happy, as you call this distortion, to have little urge to alter or better their condition. Such is the result of the mind/body/spirit which is not complex. There is the possibility of love of other-selves and service to other-selves, but there is the overwhelming awareness of the Creator in the self. The connection with the Creator is that of the umbilical cord. The security is total. Therefore, no love is terribly important; no pain terribly frightening; no effort, therefore, is made to serve for love or to benefit from fear.

Questioner: It seems that you might make an analogy in our present illusion of those who are born into extreme wealth and security. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. Within the strict bounds of the simile, you are perceptive.

(...)

Questioner: You stated in a much earlier session that it is necessary to polarize anything more than 50% service to self to be harvestable fourth-density positive. Was this condition the same at the time before the veil? The same percentage polarization?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working.

The query is not answered easily, for the concept of service to self did not hold sway previous to what we have been calling the veiling process. The necessity for graduation to fourth density is an ability to use, welcome, and enjoy a certain intensity of the white light of the One Infinite Creator. In your own terms at your space/time nexus this ability may be measured by your previously stated percentages of service.

Prior to the veiling process the measurement would be that of an entity walking up a set of your stairs, each of which was imbued with a certain quality of light. The stair upon which an entity stopped would be either third-density light or fourth-density light. Between the two stairs lies the threshold. To cross that threshold is difficult. There is resistance at the edge, shall we say, of each density. The faculty of faith or will needs to be understood, nourished, and developed in order to have an entity which seeks past the boundary of third density. Those entities which do not do their homework, be they ever so amiable, shall not cross. It was this situation which faced the Logoi prior to the veiling process being introduced into the experiential continuum of third density.

Then, there is the discussion in the C's sessions about the fall:

Q: (L) What was the Fruit of the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that was supposedly eaten by Eve and then offered to Adam?

A: Knowledge restriction. Encoding.

(...)

Q: (L) In what sense would the fruit of the tree of life be limiting?

A: Believing that one source contains all knowledge is contradicting reality.

Q: I have this book, this Marcia Schafer thing: "Confessions of an Intergalactic Anthropologist," and its a bunch of channelled stuff; one thing she says: "the snake is associated with the sign of wisdom and higher learning, and is often regarded quite highly in mystical circles." She had an interaction with a rattlesnake, for which she felt sympathy, and she also has sympathetic interactions with Lizzies. I would like to have a comment on the idea of the snake as a "sign of wisdom and higher learning." Does this, in fact, represent what the snake symbolizes?

A: Snake is/was reported in context of the viewpoint of the observer.

Q: Are you saying that when the observer's viewpoint is that the snake is a symbol of higher learning, maybe...

A: Maybe the observer was just "blown away" by the experience.

Q: Clarify, please.

A: If you were living in the desert, or jungle, about 7,000 years ago, as you measure time, would you not be impressed if these Reptoid "dudes" came down from the heavens in silvery objects and demonstrated techno-wonders from thousands of years in the future, and taught you calculus, geometry and astrophysics to boot?!?

Q: Is that, in fact, what happened?

A: Yup.

Q: Well, this is one of the problems I am dealing with in trying to write this history of mankind. As I understand it, or as I am trying to figure it out from the literature, prior to the 'Fall in Eden,' mankind lived in a 4th density state. Is that correct?

A: Semi/sort of.

Q: Please be more specific.

A: 4th density in another realm, such as time/space continuum, etc.

Q: Okay, so this realm changed, as a part of the cycle; various choices were made: the human race went through the door after the 'gold,' so to speak, and became aligned with the Lizzies after the 'female energy' consorted with the wrong side, so to speak. This is what you have said. This resulted in a number of effects: the breaking up of the DNA, the burning off of the first ten factors of DNA, the separation of the hemispheres of the brain...

A: Only reason for this: you play in the dirt, you're gonna get dirty.

Q: What was the motivating factor for playing in the dirt? What essential thing occurred? You said once that it was 'desire based imbalance.' What was it a desire for?

A: Increased physicality.

Q: What was the objective sought for in this desire for increased physicality?

A: Sensate.

Q: How was sensate experienced so that these beings had an idea that they could get more if they increased their physicality?

A: Not experienced, demonstrated.

Q: Demonstrated how, by who?

A: Do you not know?

Q: It was demonstrated by the Lizzies?

A: Basically.

Q: Demonstrated in what way? Did they say: 'here, try this!' Or did they demonstrate by showing or doing?

A: Closer to the latter.

Q: They were doing, experimenting, playing, and saying: 'look, we are doing this, it's so great, come here and try it?'

A: Not really. More like: "you could have this."

Q: What seemed to be so desirable about this increased physicality when they said 'you can have this?'

A: Use your imagination!

(...)

Okay, we had these guys; they fell from Eden, but they were still fairly close to the original concepts, in some terms. Once they jumped into the physical bodies, as you put it, what was their level of conceptualization regarding the universe? Did they still retain some understanding at that point?

A: Kind of like the understanding one has after severe head trauma, vis a vis your normal understanding in your current state.

Q: So, they were traumatized; they may have had bits and pieces of ideas and memories, but they may also have lost a great deal altogether. There may have even been a sort of "coma" state of mankind for many millennia. But, after they woke up, with the bits and pieces floating around in their heads, they may have begun to attempt to piece it all together. So, they started putting it all back together. What was the first thing they put together regarding the cosmos around them?

A: Sex.

Q: What did they decide about sex? I mean, sex was there. They were having sex. Is that it? Or, did they understand the cosmos as sex?

A: More like the former. After all, that is what got you guys in this mess in the first place! Just imagine the sales job if you can: "Look how much fun this is! Want to try it?!? Oops, sorry, we forgot to tell you, you cannot go back!"

Q: I really fail to understand - and I know it is a big issue that has been hinted at and alluded to, and outright claims have been made regarding sex in all religions and mythologies - but I fail to understand the mechanics of how this can be the engineering of a 'fall.' What, precisely, are the mechanics of it? What energy is generated? How is it generated? What is the conceptualization of the misuse of this energy, or the use of the energy?

A: It is simply the introduction of the concept of self-gratification of a physical sort.

In fact, the Ra Material also includes some explanations about sex experiences before and after the veiling but I've not read them in detail.

So, the students knew that they were supposed to continue learning and advancing towards ever more wisdom but because of their corruption, they lacked the urge and faced serious problems.

So, within the context of the "Prodigal Son" story, it seems that the STS option had to be introduced so that the students might understand the value of STO, work for it, and get rid of their inertia. But meanwhile the Wise Snake or the Lizzies made their offer. It seems to me that they offered a shortcut to the highest knowledge by sex/orgasm because I think orgasmic rupture, if this would be an appropriate term, has some certain associations with 7D. It probably makes one feel omnicient and omnipotent, just like in the pre-veil days, which somehow resulted in a very serious corruption.

STO flows outward and touches all including point of origin, STS flows inward and touches only origin point.

So, I think there is a parallelism between, on the one hand, the quick path to the absolute knowledge/power that people seek by orgasm or by other similar orgasmic drives so that they will not have to work to attain contextual knowledge regarding their life and act responsibly and, on the other side, the absolute knowledge/power that actual STS beings seek to have an absolute control of everything in their environment. The two parties seem to have the same egotistical tendency in common.

When thinking about these issues, I tend to question myself if, then, I will be seeking the same shortcut to absolute knowledge/power by my current strong interest in my identification with 7D. Although I feel that this is potentially the case, I also conclude that, no, not necessarily. I think there is a balance issue that needs to be addressed here. I think there is nothing necessarily wrong in self-identification with the 7D of the Ra-Cassiopaea cosmology. The problem arises when one significantly avoids facing the now-and-here reality including one's own and those of fellow human beings and act consciously, conscientiously. But this is not so simple. We have fallen after all and we are currently STS. And this fall into STS is closely related with adopting a basically false self and/or a false perception of reality. This seems to be related to the answer to be provided for the question, "Who/what really am I?" I think that joy, confidence, etc. are a natural and automatic result of an STO-wise knowledge/belief/awareness in connection with the answer. Probably all of us occasionally have intuitions or STO-bleedthroughs regarding the simple absolute truth but the dominant false self / false perception of reality as adopted collectively makes it very complicated to address the problem. And I think there is no chance for us to suspend our lives until we completely resolve the false identity issue. It needs to be done in the usual process somehow.