Melatonin

I have started taking 2mg of Source Naturals sublingual melatonin nightly and it definitely makes me comfortably drowsy and I am able to fall asleep easily. I haven't noticed any difference in dreams so far, I still do not have very clear dream recall. I like it and plan to continue taking it along with my other supplements.
 
I have started to take a daily supplement of 3 mg of mélatonine before sleep.

It has been a few months now and it helps (or so it seems). Here is what changed as far as I can see:

- Dreams are more vivid/intense
- I sometimes wake up half-way and find myself discussing with my own self (in my head) about metaphysics and other subjects found here (this happens a lot)
- My mind seem clearer and I can absorb/understand some concept more easily
- I feel less tired in the morning and am of better humor

Also, quite recently (last few weeks) I have started to have very vivid erotic dreams and even had an orgasm while dreaming (which never happens usually). The C's had discussed this possibility (erotic dreams).

So I can only say that melatonin helps a lot so far. Seems like I have a better 'connection' with my inner self and am less affected by all the 'noise' around me. Also, discussing with my own self and resolving issues (anwsering my own questionning about some things), all that while sleeping is nothing short of impressive. I don't know if you understand what I mean though. Pardon my English.

Peace.
 
Here is an article saying that :

But that is only because melatonin is a stress hormone. It is produced in response to the stress of your body exposed to darkness, without exposure to natural light. Darkness is actually highly stressful to the body, and the body’s response is to sleep, which is anti-stress.

Let me clarify that—melatonin does not promote sleep, it simply turns on around the time that your body needs to sleep, in response to the stress of darkness.

[...]
If you take just one thing away from this post, please let it be this: when you take melatonin supplements, you are ingesting a synthetic hormone and therefore disrupting your body’s own natural hormonal balance.[...]

Increases heart rate and perpetuates the stress cycle. Melatonin stimulates increased adrenaline, cortisol, and aldosterone—three of the primary stress hormones. It slows the metabolism, and causes the release of free fatty acids into the bloodstream, which further stimulate the stress response.[...]

Synthetic melatonin supplementation inhibits your body’s metabolic rate. When the metabolism goes down, adrenaline goes up in direct response. And when adrenaline goes up, so does melatonin, which further slows the metabolism. This perpetuates the stress response of the sympathetic nervous system, which worsens your sleep quality.

_http://butterbeliever.com/the-melatonin-scam/

I didn't knew that darkness was inducing stress ?! It's the first time I read that melatonin "stimulates increased adrenaline, cortisol, and aldosterone".
TS Wiley explains melatonin comes before prolactin, which has very beneficial effects.
But Nora Gedgaudas does not recommend melatonin supplementation, for the same reasons (interference with the pineal gland).
 
jsf said:
I didn't knew that darkness was inducing stress ?! It's the first time I read that melatonin "stimulates increased adrenaline, cortisol, and aldosterone".
TS Wiley explains melatonin comes before prolactin, which has very beneficial effects.
But Nora Gedgaudas does not recommend melatonin supplementation, for the same reasons (interference with the pineal gland).

Over the years I had stumbled with those arguments, but I think it is more of an exaggerated "erring on the safe side". It seems to me that people are cautious against melatonin because taking hormonal supplements disrupts the natural balance, or it is not the natural thing to do. I think it is by far the most safe thing to take in case of need, especially if you compare it with pharmaceuticals.

The odds are against us considering all the environmental factors: toxicity, EMF, stress, xenoestrogens, etc. So some people might need these kind of supplements even if temporarily to help them find a balance: low dose progesterone cream, melatonin, vitamin D. All three are hormones and they had helped a lot of people.

Here are a few results by searching "melatonin stress hormone":

Melatonin improves memory acquisition under stress independent of stress hormone release.

_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18853147

RESULTS:

Melatonin specifically enhanced recognition memory accuracy of objects encoded under stress (p < 0.001). In contrast, 15 min after stress, when cortisol levels were highest, retrieval of memories acquired the day before was not influenced by melatonin. Moreover, melatonin did not influence stress-induced elevation of catecholamine and cortisol levels which in turn did not correlate with the effects of melatonin on memory.

CONCLUSIONS:

The findings point to a primary action of melatonin on central nervous stimulus processing under conditions of stress and possibly on memory consolidation and exclude any substantial suppressive action of the substance on hormonal stress responses.

Melatonin: a principal neuroimmunoregulatory and anti-stress hormone: its anti-aging effects.

_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3327818

Major environmental variables such as daily and seasonal changes of light and temperature regulate the daily circadian variations of synthesis and release of the pineal neurohormone N-acetyl-5-methoxytryptamine (melatonin). Melatonin has now been shown to be a potent immunoregulatory agent, and to be able to antagonize the immunosuppressive effects of acute anxiety stress in mice, as measured by antibody production, by thymus weight, and by the capacity of stressed- and evening-melatonin-treated mice to react against a lethal virus. Both psychogenic factors and infectious agents such as viruses can act as "stressors" and induce an immunosuppression. Their combination is a determinant for the course of infectious diseases and, perhaps, cancer. Circadian (evening) melatonin possesses thus the singular ability to up-regulate the immunosuppression of stressed mice. This effect of melatonin is not exerted directly on immunocompetent cells, but mediated via the endogenous opioid system upon antigen-activation of T cells. Melatonin being a short-lived hormone with negligible side-effects which is rapidly degraded and eliminated by the body, the use of melatonin offers a new approach to the physiological control of stress and stress-related infectious diseases. In addition, melatonin could be used for the potentiation of primary immunization (vaccination) against antigens of the most varied nature which do not evoke a robust or longlasting secondary (memory) response. The regulatory function of pineal melatonin is discussed also in relation to hematopoiesis, to its oncostatic effects, and to its possible dual role in reproduction physiology and generation of immunocompetence and tolerance during ontogeny.

So it is actually considered an anti-stress hormone among other things. It is one thing that has been studied widely in several conditions including cancer. It is not a surprise that it got banned in several countries when it was actually considered so safe that you could get it in the supermarket.

It makes sense to attempt do things the natural way: daily light exposure, sleeping in total darkness, resistance training, the diet. But I think some people might need the extra help, even if temporarily.

My 2 cents!
 
I've started taking 3mg recently and the dreams seem to get more vivid most of the nights. It also seems to help
with my sleep paralysis. Haven't noticed any side effect.
 
I've been taking 3mg of NCB Technology Corp. brand of melatonin on and off for awhile now and have noticed better dream recall.

On the negative side, it has left me drowsy in the daytime and in need of going to sleep earlier in the night. It also seems to make me more irritable than when I do not take it, although this could be for other reasons and not related to the melatonin.

I think I will try halving the dosage and see what happens.
 
Hi , friends!
I have question:whether caused in somebody melatonin headaches in a frontal lobe? pressing feeling after a dream, for example.
i'm take an 3 mg pills with B-6(Pyridoxine HCL) from Now Foods, and sometimes i have those effect, in case less than 5 hours sleep
gluten-sugar-hi-carbs free diet/
Also, five years ago to me made the diagnosis fronthit(фронтит), an inflammation of frontal bosoms which as a result pressed on a skull/brain? it was cured by means of 2 week courses of antibiotics...
these pains, after reception, are a little similar to what I had during that disease.
Pains from melatonin (or can be not from it) vanish after 3-4 hours of wakefulness.
 
Hi everyone,

does anybody have an idea where to buy melatonin in Germany/EU? I managed to do this once on the ebay. But now I don't find this article any more. Is that realistic to buy it from USA (amazon.com)?

Thanks and Greets

Altair
 
Altair said:
Hi everyone,

does anybody have an idea where to buy melatonin in Germany/EU? I managed to do this once on the ebay. But now I don't find this article any more. Is that realistic to buy it from USA (amazon.com)?

Thanks and Greets

Altair

Hi, Altair!
I'm use and order this product from online-shop iHerb ,there are some products has lowest prices and good quality.

Also you can see shops for purchase vitamins there http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=15510.0
 
Altair said:
Hi everyone,

does anybody have an idea where to buy melatonin in Germany/EU? I managed to do this once on the ebay. But now I don't find this article any more. Is that realistic to buy it from USA (amazon.com)?

Thanks and Greets

Altair

Did you check your local pharmacy, I'm from Croatia and they have them, so I'm
guessing Germany does too?
 
s-kur said:
Altair said:
Hi everyone,

does anybody have an idea where to buy melatonin in Germany/EU? I managed to do this once on the ebay. But now I don't find this article any more. Is that realistic to buy it from USA (amazon.com)?

Thanks and Greets

Altair

Hi, Altair!
I'm use and order this product from online-shop iHerb ,there are some products has lowest prices and good quality.

Also you can see shops for purchase vitamins there http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=15510.0
Thanks s-kur,

iHerb looks promising :). I'll check it.

Greets

Altair
 
I always thought that Melantonin is not available in Germany, except if you have a prescription. This seems to have changed. Here is a German store that sells it, if you don't want to order in the EU:
http://www.biovea.com/de/results.aspx?KW=melantonin

I ordered with this store while being in Germany (not Melantonin, but other stuff) and liked it.

Apparently it's even available in German pharmacies now, but prices are higher.

M.T.
 
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