Members who have passed on to 5D

Fluffy

The Living Force
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I was just scrolling through an older thread and noticed again a member’s name in purple. It was Jar whom I know from C’s sessions that they had passed on. Then I came across Pierre, also in purple. I didn’t know them at all on a personal level but my eyes welled with tears.

So it occurs to me that there may be many members who have suddenly become silent on the forum, without a word of why, that have actually left because they’ve departed from 3D and no one of their family or friends knew to notify anybody here.

I’m going to talk to a few of my family members about this later on, show them my profile and ask that in the event of me making a hasty hotfoot out of my body that you guys will be notified of that.

I wouldn’t want anyone to think the wrong thing and I’d also like y’all to know I’d be watching over and helping from the other side.

I’d also like to know if a member has passed on so I can include them in my thoughts and prayers.
 
I was thinking, isn't one aspect of us already supposed to be in 5D ? And that somehow we have already gone to 5D ? But the rule is not to remember ?

Fwiw, I'd like to send my anger issues, phobias, feelings of inadequacy as well as delusions of grandeur all to 5D, but so far the only traits that have left without even saying goodbye are my idealism, agreeableness and my hopes for a better tomorrow.
 
D'après mes connaissances nous sommes tous des Esprits Immortels, Incarnés ou Désincarnés...
Nous pouvons "PRIER" pour eux cela ne peut leur faire que du bien...

As far as I know, we are all Immortal Spirits, Incarnate or Disembodied...
We can "PRAY" for them, it can only do them good...
 
I was thinking, isn't one aspect of us already supposed to be in 5D ? And that somehow we have already gone to 5D ? But the rule is not to remember ?
That's an interesting point, from our perspective at some point in the past we went through our 1D lessons, 2D lessons and now made it to 3D. But ultimately if there is no time, then would it all be happening simultaneously, hence the idea of a fractal consciousness Joe mentioned in the session below and also when the C's say to Laura "we are you in the future".

A: Yes. His 5D self called him home.

Q: (Joe) Does everybody have a 5D self?

A: Yes. Those with souls.

Q: (Joe) Do people with souls have 2D selves?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) And 1D selves?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) So is it kind of like fractal consciousness?

A: Yes

Maybe the transcripts below can offer more information:

Q: (irjO) In the book "Many Lives, Many Masters" by Brian Weiss, basically describes the journey of how he, being a moderate psychiatrist, discovered the process of reincarnation through patients under hypnosis. In the "between" life moments, patient's voices changed, and he no longer was in communication with the patient, but some beings called "The masters" who were giving him some universal knowledge. Who are the "masters" he communicated with when a patient under hypnosis went to the "between lives" moment?

A: The 5D self.

Q: (Joe) Do you merge with your fifth density yourself when you go to 5D?

A: Eventually or partially depending on your plan or destiny.

Q: (SV) I want to ask one question: If there is no time, there is no past and no future; there are no past lives and no future lives, there is no such thing as reincarnation, then how can you be us...

A: Yes, there is reincarnation. You are getting ahead of yourself there. We never said there is no reincarnation.

Q: (SV) But, if there is no time? (J) It is our perception of it. (L) It is all happening simultaneously. We are having all of these lifetimes at once. (SV) Is there a way that we can connect ourselves with all our other selves?

A: Picture it this way: we will access some of your memory banks and give you another reference which, interestingly enough, fits very closely with the perpendicular reality wheel that we described earlier. You know what a slide projector looks like? To give you some feeling of what this expanded nature of reality really is, picture yourself watching a big slide presentation with a big slide wheel on the projector. At any given point along the way you are watching one particular slide. But, all the rest of the slides are present on the wheel, are they not? And, of course, this fits in with the perpendicular reality, which fits in with the circles within circles and cycles within cycles, which also fits in the Grand Cycle, which also fits in with what we have told you before: All there is is lessons. That's all there is and we ask that you enjoy them as you are watching the slide presentation...

Q: (J) In that analogy, the light that shines through the slide, as it projects it upon the screen, is our perception?

A: And, if you look back at the center of the projector, you see the origin and essence of all creation itself, which, is level seven where you are in union with the One.

A: There is no time as you know it; its all just lessons for the collective consciousness.
 
That's an interesting point, from our perspective at some point in the past we went through our 1D lessons, 2D lessons and now made it to 3D.

I recently reread a session about this. Apparently, it’s not that linear. It’s more like when the group soul decided to switch to the short wave cycle of physical existence, part of the group went into 1st, some into 2nd, some into 3rd. So it wouldn’t really be correct to assume that I, as an individual for example, have had existences through 1st and 2nd, before I got to 3rd, but that I as part of a larger collective soul, am experiencing all aspects of physicality at the same time.
 
I recently reread a session about this. Apparently, it’s not that linear. It’s more like when the group soul decided to switch to the short wave cycle of physical existence, part of the group went into 1st, some into 2nd, some into 3rd. So it wouldn’t really be correct to assume that I, as an individual for example, have had existences through 1st and 2nd, before I got to 3rd, but that I as part of a larger collective soul, am experiencing all aspects of physicality at the same time.

Yeah, that's the way I've thought about it. "In the beginning was the word, and the word was made flesh", or rather, in the beginning was pure coalesced consciousness, which then disbursed itself into myriad soul groups and then consciousness units to populate all of creation, creating creation in the process.

All densities and dimensions were vivified in this way, all at once. We're all a part of that process, apparently having taken our "places" in 3D and lived out many lifetimes therein. That's where we "fit" as the Cs have said, based on the "quality" of the consciousness we represent, with that "quality" or 'frequency resonance vibration" being 'reduced' by existence in 3D.

So it's not that there is any difference or reduction in the 'level' or 'quality' of our consciousness compared to 4D or 5D or 6D or 7D, it's just that that pure consciousness was 'stuffed' into a limited and limiting vehicle that restricts its ability to know itself fully.

The task we're involved in is to "grow" that consciousness or increase the 'frequency' of it (via knowledge input) beyond the constraints of the vehicle, possibly transforming the vehicle somewhat in the process, so that we can 'merge' with those consciousness units in 4D (or 5D) that are part of our particular soul grouping.

Well, that's the theory as I understand it anyway.
 
The task we're involved in is to "grow" that consciousness or increase the 'frequency' of it (via knowledge input) beyond the constraints of the vehicle, possibly transforming the vehicle somewhat in the process, so that we can 'merge' with those consciousness units in 4D (or 5D) that are part of our particular soul grouping.

Well, that's the theory as I understand it anyway.
This is how I understand it too.

When we return to 5D, it is at the same level of awareness and knowledge you’ve gained in your just ceased incarnation.

So this would mean if you have a life of gaining nothing useful for your spiritual growth and the lessons you sought to learn were unlearned that you can actually go backwards or devolve and possibly even return to 2D or 1D consciousness.
 
So this would mean if you have a life of gaining nothing useful for your spiritual growth and the lessons you sought to learn were unlearned that you can actually go backwards or devolve and possibly even return to 2D or 1D consciousness.

I don’t think it necessarily means that we can go backwards to 1D or 2D when we get to 3D (although the Cs have said it can happen in a Soul smashing event)
Because once we get to 3rd density it’s because we already graduated from 2D and learned what we needed to learn there.
I think the key here is what we are experiencing and perceiving in the moment, yes, there is no time, so at this moment there are other selves living past and future in different realities. I think the called soul group can be composed by multiple selves that we can “hang” or meet at 5D and we perhaps see each other as separated individuals or perceived each other as separated beings but being part of the same group, the. all these “soul groups” merges little by little when learning enough lessons to advance to the next stage.
See, the funny thing is that in the Brian Weiss book, the author talks to his 5D self and it turns to be a group of beings, he called them the masters.
So, 5D self is a composition of different beings, that’s where the popular concept of spirit guides or your angels or whatever might come from. We are not an individual consciousness but part of a fractal consciousness, living multiple lives at the same time everywhere at any “time”
The more we learn and grow the more we will merge with other beings from the same fractal unit. So merging with 5D self is not making us a sole super being but part of a group from the same consciousness who already learned all the lessons. Then in level 6 we could retain some individualisms still but so perfectly integrated with a way bigger consciousness group that can act as one mind, so at the end, that “mega mind” can help the rest of its fractal units to get where they are to move to the completion of the integration of all souls or the so called “union with the one”.
I hope I made sense because even I can have issues understanding what my mind is trying to portrait on this subject. But in general that’s how I understand it.
 
I don’t think it necessarily means that we can go backwards to 1D or 2D when we get to 3D (although the Cs have said it can happen in a Soul smashing event)
Because once we get to 3rd density it’s because we already graduated from 2D and learned what we needed to learn there.
I think the key here is what we are experiencing and perceiving in the moment, yes, there is no time, so at this moment there are other selves living past and future in different realities. I think the called soul group can be composed by multiple selves that we can “hang” or meet at 5D and we perhaps see each other as separated individuals or perceived each other as separated beings but being part of the same group, the. all these “soul groups” merges little by little when learning enough lessons to advance to the next stage.
See, the funny thing is that in the Brian Weiss book, the author talks to his 5D self and it turns to be a group of beings, he called them the masters.
So, 5D self is a composition of different beings, that’s where the popular concept of spirit guides or your angels or whatever might come from. We are not an individual consciousness but part of a fractal consciousness, living multiple lives at the same time everywhere at any “time”
The more we learn and grow the more we will merge with other beings from the same fractal unit. So merging with 5D self is not making us a sole super being but part of a group from the same consciousness who already learned all the lessons. Then in level 6 we could retain some individualisms still but so perfectly integrated with a way bigger consciousness group that can act as one mind, so at the end, that “mega mind” can help the rest of its fractal units to get where they are to move to the completion of the integration of all souls or the so called “union with the one”.
I hope I made sense because even I can have issues understanding what my mind is trying to portrait on this subject. But in general that’s how I understand it.
Yeah it made perfect sense. Observing how beings of likeness flock together in our 3D perspective we can see how this would trend upward into higher densities.

It would be interesting to know if there is any merit to the idea of devolution. Can a 3rd density being screw up so badly that they have to relearn some lessons from 2D?

I only made assumptions using limited understanding, for example, if you missed some of the basic concepts of biology 101, I’ll call that first grade, but by some occurrence you made it to second grade but you didn’t understand enough so you had to go back and learn more about biology 101 to understand biology 2.0
 
I only made assumptions using limited understanding, for example, if you missed some of the basic concepts of biology 101, I’ll call that first grade, but by some occurrence you made it to second grade but you didn’t understand enough so you had to go back and learn more about biology 101 to understand biology 2.0
So following that analogy if you didn’t understand a lesson in 2D then you can’t graduate to 3D naturally. So, I don’t think you need to go back to previous densities to understand something you couldn’t learn in there. You are here in 3D because you current learning level got you here, unless the wave can smash your soul if you in your current life are affected by different circumstances, such as emotional state that doesn’t match the frequency of the wave, or something like that, I mean, it has to be really bad for that to happen.

Now like I mentioned before, you are “you” right now, you already learned 1D and 2D lessons but right now, there are other beings who also are learning lessons in those densities, beings that are part of you as a bing consciousness unit. And you have a 4D selves already living in 4D and maybe when “you” are in 4D and then you pass away and go to 5D you could meet your other self or selves already who are already living and reincarnating in 4D, and communicate with your 5D selves also while in 5D, you might see them like other people but they could be also you, like another version of you, the same for your 6th density selves etc.

I just hope to be a bit close to the truth with this, because it’s been a long time since I’ve tried to understand this concept Lol

I think the most difficult thing about all this, since we have a linear mind, is to know, how it all started or “when”?? Or perhaps; why did the universe divided itself in fractal consciousness when it was already one?

Btw this could be more clear in a sense to you,(about the lessons) if you read all the volumes of The Wave. Assuming you haven’t done so of course, you might have.
 
So following that analogy if you didn’t understand a lesson in 2D then you can’t graduate to 3D naturally. So, I don’t think you need to go back to previous densities to understand something you couldn’t learn in there. You are here in 3D because you current learning level got you here, unless the wave can smash your soul if you in your current life are affected by different circumstances, such as emotional state that doesn’t match the frequency of the wave, or something like that, I mean, it has to be really bad for that to happen.

Now like I mentioned before, you are “you” right now, you already learned 1D and 2D lessons but right now, there are other beings who also are learning lessons in those densities, beings that are part of you as a bing consciousness unit. And you have a 4D selves already living in 4D and maybe when “you” are in 4D and then you pass away and go to 5D you could meet your other self or selves already who are already living and reincarnating in 4D, and communicate with your 5D selves also while in 5D, you might see them like other people but they could be also you, like another version of you, the same for your 6th density selves etc.

I just hope to be a bit close to the truth with this, because it’s been a long time since I’ve tried to understand this concept Lol

I think the most difficult thing about all this, since we have a linear mind, is to know, how it all started or “when”?? Or perhaps; why did the universe divided itself in fractal consciousness when it was already one?

Btw this could be more clear in a sense to you,(about the lessons) if you read all the volumes of The Wave. Assuming you haven’t done so of course, you might have.
I’ve read the wave several times, every few years I have a refresher as life is full with young children and other mundane things that are quite distracting. Remembering is difficult at best for me.

I am aware the C’s say we are here because this is our level of understanding, we have graduated from 2D and we wear a triple veil of forgetfulness in 3D to magnify the the learning experiences.

Why did the universe separate its consciousness will always be a wonder, and if anything is possible then going backwards, soul smashing or otherwise might also be potential. The Buddhist idea is the universe wishes to know itself and we are merely the experiencer of that desire to know. I think I could be that and more.
I really dunno, I’m just having fun with the idea of going backwards.
I’ve often heard people say ‘in my next life I’m coming back as a cat, or a giraffe’ … may be they are???

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I’ve read the wave several times, every few years I have a refresher as life is full with young children and other mundane things that are quite distracting. Remembering is difficult at best for me.

I am aware the C’s say we are here because this is our level of understanding, we have graduated from 2D and we wear a triple veil of forgetfulness in 3D to magnify the the learning experiences.

Why did the universe separate its consciousness will always be a wonder, and if anything is possible then going backwards, soul smashing or otherwise might also be potential. The Buddhist idea is the universe wishes to know itself and we are merely the experiencer of that desire to know. I think I could be that and more.
I really dunno, I’m just having fun with the idea of going backwards.
I’ve often heard people say ‘in my next life I’m coming back as a cat, or a giraffe’ … may be they are???

Edit- removed irrelevant comment
I am with you on the Wave refresher aspect. I definitely need to go into it again. There are areas where it is really difficult to understand and needs time for absorption purposes. I am very interested in the concept of why there was a separation of consciousness in the beginning. Perhaps the Universe decided that it would be fun for us all to learn again. The C's have always insisted that the learning and aquisition of knowledge is the most important aspect, albeit connected intrinsically with light and love. I must admit I find it comforting to know that we are all aspects of a soul group, and all knowledge gained presumably goes on to aid the group as a whole. I got the impression that the soul smashing was the end result for the really evil people.
 
I don’t think it necessarily means that we can go backwards to 1D or 2D when we get to 3D (although the Cs have said it can happen in a Soul smashing event)
Because once we get to 3rd density it’s because we already graduated from 2D and learned what we needed to learn there.
I think the key here is what we are experiencing and perceiving in the moment, yes, there is no time, so at this moment there are other selves living past and future in different realities. I think the called soul group can be composed by multiple selves that we can “hang” or meet at 5D and we perhaps see each other as separated individuals or perceived each other as separated beings but being part of the same group, the. all these “soul groups” merges little by little when learning enough lessons to advance to the next stage.
See, the funny thing is that in the Brian Weiss book, the author talks to his 5D self and it turns to be a group of beings, he called them the masters.
So, 5D self is a composition of different beings, that’s where the popular concept of spirit guides or your angels or whatever might come from. We are not an individual consciousness but part of a fractal consciousness, living multiple lives at the same time everywhere at any “time”
The more we learn and grow the more we will merge with other beings from the same fractal unit. So merging with 5D self is not making us a sole super being but part of a group from the same consciousness who already learned all the lessons. Then in level 6 we could retain some individualisms still but so perfectly integrated with a way bigger consciousness group that can act as one mind, so at the end, that “mega mind” can help the rest of its fractal units to get where they are to move to the completion of the integration of all souls or the so called “union with the one”.
I hope I made sense because even I can have issues understanding what my mind is trying to portrait on this subject. But in general that’s how I understand it.
The next is from de Ra material:

Session 10 January 27, 1981

RA: I am Ra. I receive you in the love and light of the infinite Creator. I communicate with you.
QUESTIONER: I think it would help us to clarify some things if we went back to the moment before the transfer of souls from Maldek, to see how the Law of One operated with respect to that transfer, and why it was necessary. What happened to the population of Maldek that caused them to lose their planet? How long ago did this event occur?
RA: I'm Ra. The civilization of the people of Maldek was in some ways similar to that of the social complex that you know as Atlantis, in the sense that they had obtained great technological information that they used without worrying about the conservation of their sphere, following, to a large extent, the complex of thoughts, ideas, and actions that you can relate to your so-called negative polarity, or service to the self. However, for the most part it was expressed in a structure of sincere belief/thought that the mind/body complexes of that sphere perceived as positive and of service to others. The devastation that destroyed its biosphere and caused its disintegration was the result of what you call war.
Climbing reached the maximum technological level available to this social complex in its present space/time at that moment, which was approximately 705,000 of your years ago. The cycles had begun much, much earlier upon this sphere due to its relative capacity to support first dimensional life forms at an earlier time in the space/time continuum of your solar system. These entities were so traumatized by this event that they found themselves in what you could call an inextricable knot or situation of fear. A period of your time passed. No one could reach them; There was no one who could help them.
Approximately 600,000 of your years ago, the then members of the Confederacy were able to develop a social memory complex and undo the knot of fear. The entities were then able to remember that they were conscious. That awareness took them to a point that you could call the lower astral planes, where they could receive the necessary care until each mind/body/spirit complex was finally able to recover from that trauma, and each entity could examine the distortions it had experienced. in the previous life/illusion complex.
After that learning/teaching experience, the group's decision was to establish on itself what you could call a palliation of karma. For that reason they incarnated in your planetary sphere in what were not viable human forms. That is what they have been experiencing, until the distortions of destruction are replaced by distortions towards the desire for a less distorted vision of service to others. Since this was the conscious decision of the vast majority of those beings of the Maldek experience, the transition to this planet began approximately 500,000 of your years ago and employed the type of body complex available at that time.
QUESTIONER: Is the body complex available at that moment to which we are referring the body of the ape?
RA: I'm Ra. That's how it is.
 
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