Microwaved Water - See What It Does To Plants

It just strikes me that we're basically irradiating our food and the idea of it being bad just doesn't occur naturally... I stopped using the microwave when i could tell the difference in the food heated in it. It just didn't taste right, the texture was wrong, i flat our didn't like it. Then after studying Biochem is college i discovered the why and stopped using it altogether. It's amazing what people refuse to see or believe.
 
I haven't tossed out our Microwave. Yet, I have NOT been using the microwave function to heat food for more than five years. It was a Combi and we only used it to heat in a classic way. Half a year ago, I had the opportunity to receive a classic oven. The combi microwave oven then received a difficult to reach storage place in our garage. I could toss it out or give it to friends who don't object of course, but we envisaged to use it's classical heating function in case we were plagued with a heat wave (so that the garage and not the kitchen would receive the extra heat), or when a second oven is handy in case we invite a lot of people. In my wild fantasies though, I also imagined I'd carry the heavy microwave box in front of my belly, hanging around my neck with an attached belt. After bypassing the door safety, and changing the faraday cage into a sort of canon, I could bring down black heli's and Ufo's and such, while making those typical beep beep beep sounds that usual come with a microwave. :lol:

Serious now. A friend who does a PhD in chemistry, says he's using his microwave for two purposes, and two purposes only :
1) to heat the water in a cup of tea, BEFORE adding the tea.
2) As a convenient container to better PRESERVE his bread.

In his laboratory, they are using microwaves to shorten certain chemical reactions from 30 hours and longer to a meagre four hours. This is NOT a temperature effect.

These microwaves are distributed unevenly. Therefore, the induced vibrations can become soo high locally that it almost must result to some phenomena that are not seen with heating due to physical contact with something that is warmer. Here are some of these phenomena:

Killing of cells and microorganisms,

but not to the point that all are killed. So it can not be used to sterilise except when microwaving to the point that one boils the sample, as in classic heating. This phenomenon explains the deadly accident wherein blood was heated to 37 degrees C with microwaves.

Denatures antibodies and other factors that are important in breast milk,

to the point that they have lost their functionality. This does not happen when you warm the breast milk in a bain-marie.


Racemisation of amino acids,

wherein the L-forms, which are the building blocks for proteins, are transformed to their mirror like D- forms and vice versa.
The natural L-proline which is most sensitive to such racemisation, flips over to its mirror like molecule, D-proline, which is a direct neurotoxic. Also, ANY D-amino acid will still be recognised by our protein synthesis machinery (ribosomes and such). Proteins are nothing but a long sequence of consecutive amino acids connected between the carboxyl of the first and the amine of the second amino acid. Thermodynamics determines the 3D conformation that a protein will adopt as it is being build. Thus, whenever a mirror-like D-proline is build into a protein where there should be an L-proline, the protein as a whole will become distorted beyond recognition. What will the symptoms be like ?
Proline is very abundant in collagen, which is mainly a repetition of Glycine - Proline - Proline.
It is also highly abundant in casein, the main protein in milk. Therefore mothers ...

Homolytic cleavages and free radical production.

One could speculate that the pinpoint concentration of high vibratory energy could also result in certain homolytic cleavages of molecules. This is contrary to the usual hydrolytic cleavages (which are heterolytic) that are due to chemical reaction with water, sped up due to classic temperature increase and which result in natural building blocks. Homolytic cleavages are more random, and always result in two building blocks that are usually not occuring in nature. Both of such building blocks will always carry a free radical, which will want to react with any other molecule it encounters resulting in further unnatural compounds. There's also the problem of the free radicals that are unable to react because they are protected from the environment as they were formed in cryptic pockets within macromolecules such as proteins.

These homolytic cleavages are usually ascribed to ionising radiation (UV and beyond such as X-ray, gamma ray, cosmic rays). This is what makes FOOD IRRADIATION in order to sterilise totally irresponsible in my view. In one breath, it is usually said that microwaves, being non- ionizing radiation, can not result in free-radical formation, and random homolytic cleavage of covalent bonds as the energy of single photons is not high enough to break such covalent bond.

I am not so sure though. Think about all the waves on the oceans. By chance, now and then a massive killer wave can form that has sunk several big ships. For long, they were only hear say, but now it is known that they do happen. Now, go back to the food sample that you want to microwave. Food has exceptional long molecules in it. Is it not conceivable that due to shearing forces, and pull and push, local energies are high enough that a covalent bond has to give in? What happens when you tear a plastic foil? You will see that long stretches of the plastic polymers will slide over each other, and that now and then, you will break a covalent bond with formation of a free radical. What happens when you make a whip crack by lashing it?

So I figuratively tossed out the microwave.

To put it on a scale, I still think that food irradiation is way more toxic.

Also, when I have to refresh the water of my aquarium during winter time (have to do it about four times a year), I heated the water with the microwave oven. I knew that this killed a lot of organisms in the rainwater that I use for this. The effect on the fish is that they become much more lively, strutting their colours even more as they always do when they receive new water, microwaved or not. By now, they even procreated to the point that it became visible, or that, in other words, they didn't eat all of their descendants.
 
anart said:
Perhaps one of you could toss some colloidal silver in one of the plant's water as well - larger experiment, but might be interesting considering the recent push by the FDA.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=4306
That is a very interesting article Anart. One that I missed entirely. :(

With what I have learned, the article discloses even more. Something (that evidently has sufficient power) tries to stamp out the use of Silver, no matter what and at every turn.

When I refer to the "use of Silver" I'm NOT talking about those brown Silver nitrate solutions that were poured down the nostrils to treat chronic colds or allergies and what have you. Even the amounts used in such drastic treatments did not lead to argyria. When I say "use of silver", I am referring to the so-called colloidal silver preparations that if done properly result in mixtures of very small particles of metallic silver to mostly ionic silver. The ionic silver is then not present in an ionic bond that would result in precipitation (clorine anions for instance are not present). The concentrations involved are around 20 ppm (parts per million) which is very very low. Healthy food from a healthy ecosystem could very well have this amount of silver recycling again and again.

You see, the arguments of that thing aren't even worth to be called arguments. And when it realizes it has to change tactiques now and then... pfff. How sad. How pathetic even.

Well, same old same old. It is like that thing is not thinking.

How it would love if all else stopped thinking.
 
I'd think to do a real experiment on this, you'd need to do it to more than one plant, to account for variations in individual plants, soil, etc. You'd want a control population as well, and you'd have to think about how to set that up properly (ie. how to make sure the only thing that's statistically varying is the water). Then you'd need to think about what to measure (plant height, fruit yield, etc), and then run the experiment.

This would make a great high school science fair project.
 
John Chang said:
This would make a great high school science fair project.
Yes it would! And I hope that if any teachers on the forum read this thread they will be interested in suggesting it to their students.
 
The Cassiopaeans weighed in on the subject:

May 26, 1995

Q: (L) Is microwaved food harmful to the person who
consumes it?
A: Not much.

For what its worth, when this story "broke" on the alt internet, several months ago, it was discussed at length on another forum that I visit. Two posters there are professional, working farmers. They both commented that the pictures of the sorry state of the plants watered with the microwaved water demonstrated the classic symptoms of over watering.

From what I have been able to learn about microwaved foods, the biggest danger seems to lie in heating the food in plastic containers or bags. Fresh vegetables are said to lose some nutrients in the MW process also, but for reheating foods like spaghetti or boiling water, the process seems rather benign.

I will be doing my indoor seedling starts for the garden in a month. I will set aside one or two pots of a variety of seed and photograph their comparative progress, with and without MW water. I will take care to make sure that both samples get equal quantities of water.

anart states: Perhaps one of you could toss some colloidal silver in one of the plant's water as well - larger experiment, but might be interesting considering the recent push by the FDA.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=4306

Yes I think that a third sample group, using only CS in the sprouting process might be good addition to my observations.

In last year's garden I had a row of potatoes that developed blight in the soil. In mid-summer I removed potato the crop, tilled and re-composted the soil, soaked the infected soil with a quantity of homemade colloidal silver, then planted lettuce seedlings in the row. The lettuce seed germinated and sprouted in less than 48 hours. I found this unusual, as the earlier spring lettuce planting took over a week to germinate, but this might have been due to the cooler soil temps, earlier in the season. The addition of the CS did eliminate the blight in short order. The uptake of the silver into the plants is probably not a bad thing either.
 
I finally ran a water test but am unsure of my results regarding the pH. I used an YSI 556 MPS meter to run the samples, (I'm told) the pH probe compensates for temperature but I want to run it again to be sure - I didn't let the water cool to room temp. before testing.
RESULTS: nuked water
temp - 49 deg. celsius
dissolved solids - .371 g/L
dissolved oxygen - 9.7%
pH - 8.48
RESULTS: tap water
temp - 12.05 deg. celsius
dissolved solids - .329 g/L
dissolved oxygen - 11.4%
pH - 3.97
 
OK, rechecked sample at a similar temperature - also asked the boss when the last time this meter was calibrated, it's overdue. I don't think the tap water here is as acidic as orange juice but the readings are relative (before/after). Maybe I'll do this again after it has been properly calibrated.
NEW RESULTS: nuked water
temp - 12.86 deg. celsius
dissolved solids - .347 g/L
dissolved oxygen - 14.1%
pH - 4.63
vs.
RESULTS: tap water
temp - 12.05 deg. celsius
dissolved solids - .329 g/L
dissolved oxygen - 11.4%
pH - 3.97
 
That's odd. It looks like 'nuking' the water, turns tap water from acid (pH 4.63) to alkaline (pH 8.48). Its quite a big difference, and opposite to what was suggested previously?
 
Ruth said:
That's odd. It looks like 'nuking' the water, turns tap water from acid (pH 4.63) to alkaline (pH 8.48). Its quite a big difference, and opposite to what was suggested previously?
Read carefully, I think that result (pH 8.48 @ 49 deg.) was from the temperature effecting the instrument. It supposedly compensates for temperature but the data shows otherwise. Only thing I see is a slight increase in pH (maybe - calibration issues) and a change in the dissolved oxygen.
 
Slightly different but still water. I have tried the experiment with rain water collected in a but and tap water. No prizes to guessing the more healthy plant!!! Can't imagine taking a swig of the rain water though, It's normally filled with bits!!
 
I want to present to you preliminary results of flower experiment with boiled and microwaved water. The experiment is 2 weeks old.

Plant of choice: Cultivated cyclamen (two varieties).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclamen

The reason: I decided to use it because it also has flowers, which are much more sensitive to any change. Also this is a "local" plant and used to Israel's environment and weather, therefore, will not manifest any problems because of "adaptation".

Number of plants: 4. Two watered with boiled water, two with microwaved.
The reason: To lessen the chance of "fake result" due to specific/ prior condition of the plant.

Tools: I used black finjan (the one on the right) to boil and cool the water for "boiled" plants. I used glassed cup to boil water in microwave (with one toothpick to avoid "explosive" effect) and cooled it in a silver finjan (the one on the left).

exp_tools.jpg


Watering rate: Once in 3 days. In the picture you can see the amount of water for every plant (in the miniature wine glass). I don't know the exact amount in milliliters, so I've placed matches in order to show the relative size of the glass.

I didn't do anything with the plants after I've got them from hothouse, so if you notice some strange grey marks on all of them, it's actually dust, because I didn't bother to clean them ;). All of them manifested natural phenomena, like yellowish/dry leafs, if you wish to take a closer look – there is a high rez version for all pictures.

Temporary results: all the plans are in the same, generally healthy condition. With no apparent changes. I will continue with this experiment for another month and a half, in order to see if any long term changes will manifest.

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Plants before the experiment (221206):

Before_micro1
before_micro1_221206.jpg


Before_micro2
before_micro2_221206.jpg


Before_boiled1
before_boiled1_221206.jpg


Before_boiled2
before_boiled2_221206.jpg


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High rez "before" pictures:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/pale_valsharess/flower_experiment_high_rez/before_micro1_221206.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/pale_valsharess/flower_experiment_high_rez/before_micro2_221206.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/pale_valsharess/flower_experiment_high_rez/before_boiled1_221206.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/pale_valsharess/flower_experiment_high_rez/before_boiled2_221206.jpg

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Plants after 10 days of the experiment:

Central picture:
10_days_020107_cental.jpg


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High rez "10 days after" pictures of all plants:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/pale_valsharess/flower_experiment_high_rez/10_days_020107_cental.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/pale_valsharess/flower_experiment_high_rez/10_days_micro1.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/pale_valsharess/flower_experiment_high_rez/10_days_micro2.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/pale_valsharess/flower_experiment_high_rez/10_days_boiled1.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/pale_valsharess/flower_experiment_high_rez/10_days_boiled2.jpg

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Plants after 2 weeks of experiment (050107):

2weeks_central:
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2weeks_micro1
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2weeks_micro2:
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2weeks_boiled1:
2weeks_050107_boiled1.jpg


2weeks_boiled2:
2weeks_050107_boiled2.jpg


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High rez "2 weeks after" pictures of all plants

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/pale_valsharess/flower_experiment_high_rez/2weeks_050107_central.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/pale_valsharess/flower_experiment_high_rez/2weeks_050107_micro1.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/pale_valsharess/flower_experiment_high_rez/2weeks_050107_micro2.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/pale_valsharess/flower_experiment_high_rez/2weeks_050107_boiled1.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/pale_valsharess/flower_experiment_high_rez/2weeks_050107_boiled2.jpg

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Hmmm...

Question: What IS "good" water anyway? Does anyone have a clue?


1) Rain water:
a. Directly caught from the air. Does rain water aborb particulates harmful or good? Acid rain?
2) Water from streams
a. From Melted snow: The closest to mountain is better and gets worst (or better?) depending
on where the water meets the ground and it's immediate surroundings? Example: Hanford
might have leached radioactive waste into groundwater table? What about sites with dumping
of chemicals? You can extrapolate from the source to where water is drawn for consumption.
b. Runoffs:
a: Water runoff, ie meets the ground/soil acts as a filter and picks up "minerals" good or bad for health?
c. Rivers
a: same as b. above but added polution from waste of all kinds?

3) Distilled water: How is water distilled? From copper cooling coils? Glass enveloped cooling coils?
There must be a myriad ways to distill water

4) Filtered water: Omosis, reverse osmosis, chemical, ... ?

5) Microwaved water?

6) Anything else?

Does 100% pure water exist? If such were to exists, would it be harmful or good?

Seems there are more questions than answers?
 
The EPA considers silver a water contaminant
...and fluoride in water is nutritious, right?!


"Consider this," said Adams. "Out of all the countless nanotechnology particles used in sun lotion, clothing and cookware, the EPA has decided to regulate only one -- colloidal silver, which is a naturally-occurring mineral. In doing so, the EPA ignores all the synthetic nanoparticles introduced into the environment through consumer products made by Big Business"
"Each year the U.S. EPA reviews an average of 1,700 new compounds that industry is seeking to introduce. Yet the the 1976 Toxic Substances Control Act requires that they be tested for any ill effects before the approval only if evidence of pentential harm [already] exists--which is seldom the case. The agency approves about 90 percent of the new coumpounds without restrictions. Only a quarter of the 82,000 chemicals in use in the U.S. have ever been tested for toxicity." -- National Geographic, "The Pollution Within," October 2006


"All appearances are that the EPA has been succumbing to corporate pressure of vested interests that do not want to see the word get out that silver has these benefits," Newman said. "I remain optimistic that the EPA will have the ethics and responsibility to let science prevail and that this will go away as quickly as it emerged."
...and I remain pessimistic that Newman et al will keep talking in their sleep.
 
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