Moon Landings: Did They Happen or Not?

[Brewer]

Maybe, maybe not. Apollo going to the Moon does not mean that all footage was genuine.

Even NASA has an issue with it's most famous and iconic moon photo ever.

It cannot explain how this pad imprint got here, it knows its not meant to be there but has to acknowledge it as its so obvious. According to the official narrative the LM didn't bounce during landing, it couldn't bounce as it's struts had single use crushable honeycomb shock absorbers. The engine was cut and it dropped to the surface.
Armstrong and Aldrin said

[Armstrong - "We actually had the engine running until touchdown. Not that that was intended, necessarily. It was a very gentle touchdown. It was hard to tell when we were on."]
[Aldrin - "You wouldn't describe it as 'rock' (as in, 'dropping like a rock'). It was a sensation of settling."]
[Some of the other crews shut down 'in the air' (meaning 'prior to touchdown') and had a noticeable bump when they hit.]
[Aldrin - (Joking) "Well, they didn't want to jump so far to the ladder."]
[Armstrong, from the 1969 Technical Debrief - "The touchdown itself was relatively smooth; there was no tendency toward tipping over that I could feel. It just settled down like a helicopter on the ground, and landed."]

However there's quite a deflection there, that pad has moved and with enough force to the left for the surface sensing probe to form a ridge of regolith that spills small pills of dust over the imprint. Looks like a set dressing fail, the prop leg may have broken or needed adjusting so they moved it and forgot to dress the 'lunar regolith'. If you look at the secondary strut directly above the +Y pad you'll see a human hand sized tear to the kapton foil. Are those twin peaks in the foil caused by the middle fingers of a human hand?

Who knows but anyway NASA can't explain it, no one can. I've asked half a dozen fanboys to explain the mechanism of the imprint but they can't. I asked AI to model it but it can't either and removes all Apollo content from my account!
In other space news another lunar probe is orbiting the moon and once again, like Artemis and Polaris I cannot see one star! My cheap android can, filmed Alpha and Beta Centauri the other month with my fire truck's lights flashing in the foreground through a hazy sky and a dense atmosphere! Something NASA, Musk and others have yet to achieve!

 

[Brewer]

Interesting observations from a flerfer, not a flerfer myself but credits due. Not Apollo related but from the same agency.

It concerns shuttle missions over 6 years apart and they use exactly the same footage of the external tank separating from the shuttle.

The 1996 video is narrated as if it's really happening, nowhere does it say that it's footage from a previous mission. So far I cannot find any official explanation and haven't bothered to ask AI as I'll just get a long winded word salad that will vanish next time I shut down.

STARS FROM MARS!!!!​

As part of an eternal quest to find stars in space imagery, I hit paydirt!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1900623662157623413

Grok confirms it!!! Well, says its likely!

The image in the X post, showing the Martian night sky, was likely captured by NASA’s Curiosity rover, which has been imaging Mars since 2012, including a notable night sky photo on sol 397 in 2020, as reported by The Planetary Society.​

Still no images from the lunar surface or from cis-lunar space and Grok gives it's usual long winded 'answer'. Won't quote it here except the links it provided.

Summary of Links and Clips

• Apollo 8 TV Broadcast: NASA YouTube – 2:30 mark for star commentary (no visible stars in video).
• Apollo 17 Trans-Lunar Coast: NASA YouTube – 5:20 mark for faint stars in window shots.
• Chang’e-3 Lunar Night Sky: YouTube – 0:30 mark for stars above the lunar horizon.
• Artemis I Orion Footage: NASA YouTube – 3:40 mark for faint stars during lunar flyby.

Here's what you get!

 

[axj]

As part of an eternal quest to find stars in space imagery, I hit paydirt!

The explanations for why stars are usually not visible in videos or photos (whether on Earth or taken in space) seem to make sense. Short exposure, light pollution, camera focus on foreground objects, etc.

 

[Brewer]

The explanations for why stars are usually not visible in videos or photos (whether on Earth or taken in space) seem to make sense. Short exposure, light pollution, camera focus on foreground objects, etc.

Appears the stars on Mars have been concocted too. We get 4K video of a parachute billowing 12 clicks above Mars but no stars! No stars when a space craft is on the dark side of the Earth or moon.

According to ISS astronaut Don Petit, this is exactly what happens.

However when I watch ISS spacewalks, nothing but watching the live feed......

Stars! With a massive brightly lit object in view! I doubt we'll see them on the upcoming lunar mission. NASA has other priorities.

 

[Persej]

I've had a lot of people recently echoing claims by Bart Sibrel, that Elon Musk saying that they will need to refuel in orbit to get the Moon is apparent proof that Apollo never took humans to the Moon ... so let's debunk it!

 

[christx11]

Seems kind of silly. Both systems are completly different technologies, designed to accomplish a mission in completly different ways.
Elon's system for the HLS fully fueled weighs 220,462 lbs. The Lunar Landing module fully fueld weighed 33,500-36,200 lbs.
You would be better off just analyzing the Apollo technology and it physics calculations of what it was capable of doing. Comparing to HLS seems like nonsense as they are not comparable systems.

 

[Niall]

On the topic of this thread, I just want to add the following question and answer from a session with the Cs in September 2023:

Q: Did Neil Armstrong take man's first steps on the Moon on July 16, 1969?

A: Yes

 

[Brewer]

On the topic of this thread, I just want to add the following question and answer from a session with the Cs in September 2023:

Q: Did Neil Armstrong take man's first steps on the Moon on July 16, 1969?
A: Yes

The official date is July 20th 1969! They launched on July 16th, at least into LEO.

 

[Niall]

The official date is July 20th 1969! They launched on July 16th, at least into LEO.

So you're saying there's a chance...

If what we have here is a 'false positive'... then Schrödinger's Moon Landing lives!

 

[Beau]

On the topic of this thread, I just want to add the following question and answer from a session with the Cs in September 2023:

Good idea. There are a lot of people who believe we never went to the moon. Even Candace. I see things on X like how could they have possibly talked to Houston on the phone in 1969. Those people seem to not understand how radio waves work. Maybe it'd be worth asking a straightforward question about it to the C's, though the above session is pretty clear and I don't think it's a big deal that the C's didn't correct the date before answering.

 

[Cosmos]

I’m still of the opinion that it might be a mix of faking stuff to some extent (pictures/videos etc.) basically for making it a much more appealing show/event with lots of propaganda value for America, but ALSO, that real landings happened including those mentioned astronauts walking on the moon.

That would also explain why both camps keep thinking they must be right and why the “all faked from start to finish“ group will probably never be convinced that there was quite some real stuff going on too which includes the most important parts.

 

[Tomiro]

The Apollo missions are also discussed in an earlier session:

Q: (L) Did the Apollo missions actually go into space as we think they did?

A: Yes.

Although they don't confirm the actual landing on the moon.

I’m still of the opinion that it might be a mix of faking stuff to some extent (pictures/videos etc.) basically for making it a much more appealing show/event with lots of propaganda value for America, but ALSO, that real landings happened including those mentioned astronauts walking on the moon.

This seems plausible. I know people who otherwise don't buy into conspiracy theories, and are very pro mainstream media narrative. But still think that the moon landings were fake for some reason. Maybe it's easier to entertain the idea that something like this would be fake. Essentially a "victimless crime" in the past, that don't require you to change your worldview much, compared to accepting that we are led by pathological people who won't hesitate to sacrifice anyone or everyone if it furthers their own goals.

 

[SOTTREADER]

On the topic of this thread, I just want to add the following question and answer from a session with the Cs in September 2023:

Well well well... this is interesting.

How could he have taken man's first step on the moon if the Atlantians had bases in Mars tens of thousands of years ago...

Perhaps a better phrasing is

Q: Did Neil Armstrong take man's first steps on the Moon since the last ice age on July 16, 1969?

A: Yes

And even that... we don't know. Do undergrounders go to the moon for example? Who knows!

 

[axj]

How could he have taken man's first step on the moon if the Atlantians had bases in Mars tens of thousands of years ago...

Very good point, unless the Atlanteans somehow created structures on the Moon without ever setting foot there:

Q: (T) So, the Atlanteans had inter-planetary ability?

A: Yes. With ease. Atlantean technology makes yours look like the Neanderthal era.

Q: (T) Who created the structures on the moon that Richard Hoagland has discovered?

A: Atlanteans.

Q: (T) What did they use these structures for?

A: Energy transfer points for crystalline power/symbolism as in monuments or statuary.

Perhaps a better phrasing is

Q: Did Neil Armstrong take man's first steps on the Moon since the last ice age on July 16, 1969?

It should be July 20, 1969.

 

[Deneb]

Interesting observations from a flerfer, not a flerfer myself but credits due. Not Apollo related but from the same agency.

It concerns shuttle missions over 6 years apart and they use exactly the same footage of the external tank separating from the shuttle.
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The 1996 video is narrated as if it's really happening, nowhere does it say that it's footage from a previous mission. So far I cannot find any official explanation and haven't bothered to ask AI as I'll just get a long winded word salad that will vanish next time I shut down.

STARS FROM MARS!!!!​

As part of an eternal quest to find stars in space imagery, I hit paydirt!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1900623662157623413

Grok confirms it!!! Well, says its likely!

Still no images from the lunar surface or from cis-lunar space and Grok gives it's usual long winded 'answer'. Won't quote it here except the links it provided.

Here's what you get!
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I guess you should learn how cameras operate
night sky needs exposure in 20 seconds range, sun lit surface of the moon in fractions of one
either you have stars and overblown moon surface or moon surface and no stars, you cant have both, not even with modern camera