Mother of all gushers - BP Oil Disaster in Gulf of Mexico

He issued a follow up video that was a little (only a little) calmer, suggesting it was a nuke. He now thinks the robot arm was actually bracing itself, not digging or otherwise being involved in what happened.

For frame of reference, I used the camera and the robot, both of which remained in position relative to each other.

It seemed clear to me the sea floor swelled and then dropped. I thought that seemed pretty obvious, but if others don't see it the same way, I will assume my mind was playing tricks on me, perhaps affected by the overly zealous narrator. I don't think we are looking at video trickery though, just over assumptions made by an overly eager citizen reporter at best and intentional fear mongering from a manipulator at worst.

However, I can only speculate as to the cause, since there is no direct data to support anything beyond conjecture. The earthquake in the region might not even be directly related.

Was anyone able to read a date/time stamp on the video?

Thanks,
Gonzo
 
Hi Seraphina,

If I am getting nitpicky, please correct me. I am in a lot of pain today and might not be as objective as I think I am, but...

Seraphina said:
It is the rover moving and stirring up the dust.
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Are you sure about that or was that a speculative guess? Your wording led me to believe you were stating a fact, as you didn't prefix it with "It appears to me that" or "I think", etc.

If you notice when the rover first raises half of itself up to position its arm onto the sea floor, it doesn't seem to kick up much dust. I didn't really notice any other significant movement, but I might have missed something.

What movement do you think it did to kick up so much debris?

Thanks,
Gonzo
 
Posté par: Gonzo
Was anyone able to read a date/time stamp on the video?
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By playing forward and backward I read 020810, at the lower right of the picture.


Mod's note: Edited to fix the quotation boxes
 
Gonzo said:
It seemed clear to me the sea floor swelled and then dropped. I thought that seemed pretty obvious, but if others don't see it the same way, I will assume my mind was playing tricks on me, perhaps affected by the overly zealous narrator.
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Well, I'm just saying that I can't really tell one way or another from the video, so don't feel like the lone ranger. You could be correct.
 
I agree that it is hard if not impossible to discern eitherway

Gonzo said:
What movement do you think it did to kick up so much debris?
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haven't seen any footage of these ROV's moving around before and noticing their fineness of maneuvrability, but:

newsweek said:
ROVs range in size depending on their intended use, but a really large one could be the size of a UPS truck, says Cameron Wallace, director of marketing and investor relations at Helix Energy Solutions Group, one of the companies currently operating ROVs for BP’s spill response efforts.
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the clouding could be methane or a motor whirling up the seafloor?
 
If you look at the top of the picture you see the compass doesn't move until the ground start moving, it point to the south all the time except of some fluctuation east and west during the rising and cave in. As well, if you look at the ground coordinate, upper left, it doesn't show any movement until the arm rise at the end, after the motion of the see floor as set and sediment are lifted. That show that someone moved the rover and it is showed on the coordinate that start changing til the end of the video.

By the way I checked the coordinate from this video and the coordinate on this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMqHldEHL64&feature=player_embedded#! posted by Laurentiu. They are very close here they are;

this one: E 1202826.03
N 10431469.21

Laurentiu: E 1202799.01
N10431610.00
 
Salut, Laurentien.

Are those coordinates from the geolocation service used by the camera?

Thanks,
Gonzo
 
Laurentien said:
If you look at the top of the picture you see the compass doesn't move until the ground start moving, it point to the south all the time except of some fluctuation east and west during the rising and cave in. As well, if you look at the ground coordinate, upper left, it doesn't show any movement until the arm rise at the end, after the motion of the see floor as set and sediment are lifted. That show that someone moved the rover and it is showed on the coordinate that start changing til the end of the video.

By the way I checked the coordinate from this video and the coordinate on this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMqHldEHL64&feature=player_embedded#! posted by Laurentiu. They are very close here they are;

this one: E 1202826.03
N 10431469.21

Laurebtiu: E 1202799.01
N10431610.00
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the compass doesn't move much until after the ground moves up and down, but the DPT (depth) and ALT (altimeter) do, then the compass is fluctuating S to SW to S to SE back to S a bit then moves a lot to E....just seems to me that the force exerted to move the seafloor would have produced enough shockwave to send the rover reeling, if it was in fact the seafloor moving and not the rover itself. As the rover scrapes along the floor it stirs up the sediment and whirls around in the turbulence from the rover and its propulsion.

Here's a video of a rover in action...they don't show it moving up and down, but they do explain how it's done at the end. If I can find another example, I'll post it.
 
Seraphina said:
the compass doesn't move much until after the ground moves up and down, but the DPT (depth) and ALT (altimeter) do, then the compass is fluctuating S to SW to S to SE back to S a bit then moves a lot to E....just seems to me that the force exerted to move the seafloor would have produced enough shockwave to send the rover reeling, if it was in fact the seafloor moving and not the rover itself. As the rover scrapes along the floor it stirs up the sediment and whirls around in the turbulence from the rover and its propulsion.

Here's a video of a rover in action...they don't show it moving up and down, but they do explain how it's done at the end. If I can find another example, I'll post it.
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The DPT variation can be the effect of the swell at the surface, it vary around 1525 plus or minus .5 meter corresponding to swell of no more than 1 meter at the surface. The altimeter is stable until the rising of the sea bed then it goes weird. I am no expert but that is what the data on the screen show. I'm not defending that video, as far that I know it could have been filmed on the other side of the globe and the data manipulated to show in the gulf near the drilling site. There are a lot of weirdo out there who want there 2 minutes of fame.
 
Merci, Laurentian,
For your efforts in trying to read the screen and get the data. My poor, 44-year-old eyes took one look and told me they would have a better chance of reading the ingredients on the side of my mutli-vitamin bottle in poor lighting than to try and decipher what was on the screen.

Thanks and bravo.

Gonzo
 
The latest spin from Associated Press: "Looking for The Oil? NOAA Says It's Mostly Gone"

_http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_spill_gone

From article said:
WASHINGTON – With a startling report that some researchers call more spin than science, the government said Wednesday that the mess made by the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico is mostly gone already...

...Nevertheless, Wednesday was a day of cautious celebration by a White House that has had little to cheer about from the oil spill.
"I think it is fairly safe to say ... that many of the doomsday scenarios that we talked about and repeated a lot have not and will not come to fruition," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said at a briefing with NOAA's top scientist.

Much of the reasoning behind the disappearing oil has to do with the natural resilience of the Gulf, which is teeming with microbes that eat oil. On top of that is the natural tendency of oil in seawater to evaporate and dissolve to half its volume in about a week — something even critics acknowledge.

The federal calculations are based on direct measurements for only 18 million gallons of the oil spilled — the stuff burned and skimmed. The other numbers are "educated scientific guesses," said NOAA emergency response senior scientist Bill Lehr, an author of the report. That is because it is impossible to measure oil that is dispersed, he said.
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What a crock!!! Dead fish and turtles are washing ashore! An independent lab has found poisons in the water. People living near the Gulf are reporting troubling respiratory symptoms and illnesses...many are breaking out with sores on their skin! Rain is pouring down and wilting vegetation. And Obama and his PTB puppet masters are rallying their media satiation-professionals and scientist yes-men with this garbage. Argghhh!
 
Have a look here:
http://deniselngbch.blogspot.com/2010/08/dead-fish-washing-up-in-biloxi.html

and then here:
http://deniselngbch.blogspot.com/2010/08/this-is-so-wrong-follow-up-to-last.html
 
Goebbels himself couldn't came up with better excuse! Torn fish net, ha, ha! It would be funny if it wasn't such a disaster! This excuse came right out of the mouth of true psychopath! :O
 
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