Movie making collaboration

[neema]

Are there any others who would like to collaborate in making movies that summarizes what the research here has led us to?

Most definitely. In fact I have been working on some personal projects, that touch on research from here. I have formal training in Softimage, and have self-taught myself most of the other 3d software's out there that are relevant to 3D movie making. The most recent one is realflow which I am having lots of fun learning with.

I have helped Burma a little, but no where near the level he is doing.

I should note that there are also ongoing projects at the chateau that I could always use help on. As it stands, I'm pretty much a one-man-band when it comes to doing vids...though parallel (and a couple of other folks) has helped out with doing some 3D modeling for me. Thanks again, dude!

So maybe a good way to start would be for folks to introduce themselves and give some idea of what sort of expertise they have.

Burma, my man you are gonna burn yourself out. Just ask me what you need and ill help you out. If you need help also with AE just let me know, I actually know quite a bit, and thanks to Mr. Kramer can figure out anything else. I just prefer working with 3D packages.

Like I said before I have trained in Softimage, but that was only a part of my training. I officially graduated as a 3D Art Director. Meaning I have been trained to take a script and dissect it for concept development and storyboarding. Further developing the concept to a timing animatic for pre-editing, and from there distributing the workload efficiently for 3d animation development, post production and sfx (special effects). Over the years I have also taught myself most of the other aspects of 3d, where I can comfortably, model, animate, rig, texture, and work with node based creation, in most of the 3d packages. (with the exception of blender). But I'm always learning more. keeping updated on the relevant tutorial boards and 3d discussion boards.

As you can understand, I definitely prefer working on fully 3D projects, as opposed to live action. For one thing I have many years of training in the former, second thing is that I don't think live action productions with little or voluntary budgets achieve too good of a quality.

If there is interest in the fully 3D route, not only I can help with organizing and helping out with actual workload, but also I can help anyone learn or expand on knowledge about 3d animation. Like they say, if there is a will there is a way. And the best part is most of the big software's have learning editions that are free, and fully functional.

parallel,
I'm a graphic designer and illustrator and I'm offering whatever help I can. POB and Away With Fairies have been accepting my graphics for the Everyman Radiǿ Podcast, and whatever I can offer you, just ask.

Ammm... I could help make the drawings for the animation.

Looks like we already have a couple for the conceptual design stage. If we do go this route we will need more help especially with some voice acting.

As for ideas well I have many, but one that came to mind recently due to the discussion started by Laura, is the Iliad & the odyssey. I love those stories and have always wanted to make a good 3D animation version of them.

I just want to take the combo of the classic & marvel comic version, and turn them into a 3D movie.
Check them out if you don't know what I'm talking about.

Link1 _http://pixhost.info/avaxhome/70/a1/000ba170.jpeg

Link2 _http://www.tomheroes.com/covers/Covers/best/classics_illustrated_odyssey.htm

Link3 _http://marvel.com/comic_books/issue/17366/marvel_illustrated_the_iliad_2007_1

Link4 _http://marvel.com/comic_books/issue/22002/marvel_illustrated_the_odyssey_2008_1

Well since this would be a tremendous challenge as a project, I was thinking first we would do a trial run on something smaller. That way we can go through a whole production run with everyone that is interested.

For this I was thinking about a story Atreides wrote a couple months ago.

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,20369.0.html

With his permission of course, I think we could turn this story into a nice little animation. It has a good story, it is related to what we research here, and its plain darn funny. Also it gives me an opportunity to test out the voice-o-matic plug-in for Maya. Although I can do do this project myself, it is better to get more people involved to do a dry run for a larger project.

I also have plenty of spare time right know, and can start immediately working with anyone interested in such a project.
And if no one is interested and I have your permission Atreides, I'll go ahead and make that little clip as I think it would make a very popular YouTube video.

 

[paralleloscope]

[quote author=neema]I officially graduated as a 3D Art Director. Meaning I have been trained to take a script and dissect it for concept development and storyboarding.[/quote]

Excellent. I have had training in storyboarding/animatics but am on ground 0 in regards to script treatment.

[quote author=neema]If there is interest in the fully 3D route, not only I can help with organizing and helping out with actual workload, but also I can help anyone learn or expand on knowledge about 3d animation. Like they say, if there is a will there is a way. And the best part is most of the big software's have learning editions that are free, and fully functional.[/quote]

I realize you say fully 3d but would you be interested also in mixed projects intermixing stock footage or atleast real images as the research most probably needs some support of such? as an indication see above infographic links.

[quote author=neema]Looks like we already have a couple for the conceptual design stage. If we do go this route we will need more help especially with some voice acting.[/quote]

There is quite the graphic talent present also three audio/voice persons have said hello in this thread.

[quote author=neema]As for ideas well I have many, but one that came to mind recently due to the discussion started by Laura, is the Iliad & the odyssey. I love those stories and have always wanted to make a good 3D animation version of them.[/quote]

Although I'd love to see a graphic version of these stories, I would imagine this too big to bite down on. I have seen many animation projects (not just my own) crash and burn out on having too many dreams in relation to realistic measures in regards to production calculations. Considering the online nature of this collaboration it is harder than an in-house top down collaboration, with reference to the tremendous efforts in the open source/ online produced short stories that the blender community have been working on, with a huge community and many many man hours by a full time in-house crew.
http://www.blender.org/features-gallery/blender-open-projects/

[quote author=neema]Well since this would be a tremendous challenge as a project, I was thinking first we would do a trial run on something smaller. That way we can go through a whole production run with everyone that is interested.
For this I was thinking about a story Atreides wrote a couple months ago. [/quote]

When I read that story I also found it lent itself perfectly for 3d, I do think that could be a fun project to do.

For now I would suggest to keep ambitions realistic, atleast I have to be very careful not to dream up bigger production scenarios than is realisable. Considering the team's little experience in working together and fluctuating availabilty of the involved.

I suggest that we start off with doing a easy and small project. Pob and Away with the Fairies project 'Everyman radiǿ' needs a promo, which could be a short and sweet project to get to know each others and doable within a short scope (a week?). A 'flashy' intro/outro sequence with a 'body' template for the in between in which they themselves could insert their episode specific information.
What do you say?

 

[allen]

For inspiration here is a type of clip called infographic, various ways to illustrate a factual story.

Fluxnet: an anatomy of a virus
http://vimeo.com/25118844
Iranian bloggers
http://vimeo.com/2232226
Canadian food facts
http://vimeo.com/5477517

Love that style. All of it is classic After Effects. BTW, not to be giving a plug to videocopilot.net again, but you can learn literally every technique used in the above vids from the tutorials on their site. Some of the animation requires plugins, like VideoCopilot's SureTarget plugin. It's not expensive and definitely worth having if you want to be moving a lot of things around on the screen like that.

 

[allen]

Burma, my man you are gonna burn yourself out. Just ask me what you need and ill help you out. If you need help also with AE just let me know, I actually know quite a bit, and thanks to Mr. Kramer can figure out anything else. I just prefer working with 3D packages.

Yeah, burn out is a problem. Actually, one of my big problems is that I tend to get idea for what I want to do by playing around. By the time I've decided which way to go, I'm pretty much there.

On the other hand, I've been refining things for the next Connecting the Dots vid (which you've already helped with a bit) and will proli need your help. I can send you the C4D file and you'll see where I'm going with it.

 

[paralleloscope]

Perhaps a list of potential themes for a near future project would be of help to measure what you guys feel like doing. I won't mention Odyssey/Illiad as I see it as unrealistic to set about doing (at least for me) even if it was just excerpts, due to character and concept heaviness vs. the number of people who in all probability could become involved here.


- "How to have an unhealthy relationship" an animated short
- "Electro pollution" (EM wavelenghts, wifi, mobiles, towers) infographic
- "Climate change" infographic
- Other

the two options I put down are some of the topics I'd like to see more clear out there and inside, to learn about in the process.

...

As for the Everyman radiǿ promo perhaps we could get a look at a brief synopsis of what you guys want and have. As I understand there is a potential deadline for sunday which maybe a stretch for one guy but if we tackle it as a team it could be done without too much of a sweat.

 

[The rabbit]

As for the Everyman radiǿ promo perhaps we could get a look at a brief synopsis of what you guys want and have. As I understand there is a potential deadline for sunday which maybe a stretch for one guy but if we tackle it as a team it could be done without too much of a sweat.

We are waiting on what we call our possible first scoop , with a special guest which we dont want to go to much into at present in case it does not happen. I think it will , but just in case. Hopefully we will have an answer today and be able to get folks on board.

In regards to any voice overs , characters that may be needed for any future projects , some will probably know that i have spent many years since my early teens working in theatre as actor , teacher and occasional direction .Im a very good sight reader in case anything quick has to be done so dont hesitate to ask should you need something in that direction. Music composition is also a strong asset , though a little more time consuming , so anything in that direction i would need more time.

Are you aware of the set up at the animation workshop here in Viborg Parallel? I have a few connections in that direction and the folks there are pretty cool and open to colaberations. In fact thats what it is set up for. There are a few folks from there who will be participating out here at the house fairly soon.

Anyway If Pob and I get the green light today then expect a pm from Pob.

 

[paralleloscope]

We are waiting on what we call our possible first scoop , with a special guest which we dont want to go to much into at present in case it does not happen. I think it will , but just in case. Hopefully we will have an answer today and be able to get folks on board.

Regardless if you land your scoop or not you are in need of a promo/ visual representation for weekly use? Or that's how I understood. What I / We could do is make the body of the promo and you could add the episode specifics from week to week or month to month however you like.

Are you aware of the set up at the animation workshop here in Viborg Parallel? I have a few connections in that direction and the folks there are pretty cool and open to colaberations. In fact thats what it is set up for. There are a few folks from there who will be participating out here at the house fairly soon.

Yeah I'm aware of it. But for now I am bound to school in Copenhagen, perhaps it could be relevant if I later get an internship in Jutland. As for now I'm kind of focused on online collaboration. But do 'stick a finger in the earth' on how openminded these people are in regards to the knowledge and topics dealt with on SOTT.

 

[The rabbit]

Regardless if you land your scoop or not you are in need of a promo/ visual representation for weekly use? Or that's how I understood. What I / We could do is make the body of the promo and you could add the episode specifics from week to week or month to month however you like.

Yes that would be excellent!

Are you aware of the set up at the animation workshop here in Viborg Parallel? I have a few connections in that direction and the folks there are pretty cool and open to colaberations. In fact thats what it is set up for. There are a few folks from there who will be participating out here at the house fairly soon.

But do 'stick a finger in the earth' on how openminded these people are in regards to the knowledge and topics dealt with on SOTT.

Oh i have and especially psychopathy , and 9 11 , the animators/artists that attended functions at a small café project i had a few years back were very open to these matters and it is these I am still in contact with , and they will hopefully contribute to things out here at the house. Ive not been to the workshop for some time due to focusing on getting this house sorted out , but I do get there from time to time. A person who works on miniature furniture and such returns here next week from france and will be organizing our first exhibition with animators out here schedule for August.

 

[neema]

I realize you say fully 3d but would you be interested also in mixed projects intermixing stock footage or atleast real images as the research most probably needs some support of such? as an indication see above infographic links.

Like I said I prefer 3D, but will definitely help out in any project you guys need. :)

There is quite the graphic talent present also three audio/voice persons have said hello in this thread.

Yes, looks like we do have a variety of talent already.

Although I'd love to see a graphic version of these stories, I would imagine this too big to bite down on. I have seen many animation projects (not just my own) crash and burn out on having too many dreams in relation to realistic measures in regards to production calculations. Considering the online nature of this collaboration it is harder than an in-house top down collaboration, with reference to the tremendous efforts in the open source/ online produced short stories that the blender community have been working on, with a huge community and many many man hours by a full time in-house crew.
http://www.blender.org/features-gallery/blender-open-projects/

I somewhat agree. Now a days, due to the explosion of cheep asset content available, larger projects are much easier to accomplish. The key to any successful production is to have a very organized and dedicated director. But I do agree we should develop a team and work on some really small confidence building projects and go from there.

When I read that story I also found it lent itself perfectly for 3d, I do think that could be a fun project to do.

For now I would suggest to keep ambitions realistic, atleast I have to be very careful not to dream up bigger production scenarios than is realisable. Considering the team's little experience in working together and fluctuating availabilty of the involved.

I suggest that we start off with doing a easy and small project. Pob and Away with the Fairies project 'Everyman radiǿ' needs a promo, which could be a short and sweet project to get to know each others and doable within a short scope (a week?). A 'flashy' intro/outro sequence with a 'body' template for the in between in which they themselves could insert their episode specific information.
What do you say?

Fluctuating availabilty, ya that's a huge problem I find. In many projects where people are volunteering, they don't take it as seriously. It's very frustrating because I take any project I'm working on, regardless of pay, very seriously.
All and all, you can count on me on any projects live action or otherwise.

Yeah, burn out is a problem. Actually, one of my big problems is that I tend to get idea for what I want to do by playing around. By the time I've decided which way to go, I'm pretty much there.

Ya that's pretty much a big no no, when it comes to production. But one way to get passed that hurdle is to develop a storyboard with the complete look worked out to the exact timing. Maybe on the next project we could discuss the idea and concepts beforehand, and we do a complete storyboard and go from there.

On the other hand, I've been refining things for the next Connecting the Dots vid (which you've already helped with a bit) and will proli need your help. I can send you the C4D file and you'll see where I'm going with it.

Absolutely. And you won't have to send it to me. you can just upload it on your ftp and I can get it from there.

 

[neema]

I suggest that we start off with doing a easy and small project. Pob and Away with the Fairies project 'Everyman radiǿ' needs a promo, which could be a short and sweet project to get to know each others and doable within a short scope (a week?). A 'flashy' intro/outro sequence with a 'body' template for the in between in which they themselves could insert their episode specific information.
What do you say?

Sounds like a plan. :D
Why don't you guys fill me on what we are looking to do with this promo, and we can get started on a storyboard asap.

 

[Rich]

I suggest that we start off with doing a easy and small project. Pob and Away with the Fairies project 'Everyman radiǿ' needs a promo, which could be a short and sweet project to get to know each others and doable within a short scope (a week?). A 'flashy' intro/outro sequence with a 'body' template for the in between in which they themselves could insert their episode specific information.
What do you say?

Sounds like a plan. :D
Why don't you guys fill me on what we are looking to do with this promo, and we can get started on a storyboard asap.

Cool!

It is as simple as Parallel describes.

Each promo vid would be a youtube short (1 min or so) description of what's coming up in the next podcast. Just a way of marketing. It could also be used to frame actual podcasts that AWTF and I could put the audio and selected relevant images into. I use cyberlink powerdirector - a laymans movie maker that would make it easy for us to edit for each episode.

Looking at similar on youtube they tend to be about 15 seconds or so.

New Orleans has done some great artwork on the website which we can make available along with sound file jingles, music beds and text.

We could set up a private subforum/mailgroup or other method that you're used to working with for this type of collaboration.

 

[paralleloscope]

Yeah, burn out is a problem. Actually, one of my big problems is that I tend to get idea for what I want to do by playing around. By the time I've decided which way to go, I'm pretty much there.

Regarding the bolded I can't quite decipher if you get the project done or burn out by the time you decided what way to go?

Sounds like a plan. :D
Why don't you guys fill me on what we are looking to do with this promo, and we can get started on a storyboard asap.

Looking at similar on youtube they tend to be about 15 seconds or so.

Do you have some examples?

New Orleans has done some great artwork on the website which we can make available along with sound file jingles, music beds and text.
We could set up a private subforum/mailgroup or other method that you're used to working with for this type of collaboration.

Perhaps we could setup a space we could use for other projects aswell, I have no experience of mailgroups outside yahoo, but I find that a bit clunky. Though anything would do that has some upload space, any suggestions?

This project I assume you guys would want to do the audio/ voice over, so perhaps you have ideas for a permanent audio scheme as opposed to episode specific announcements, also a note on other permanent information (contact, adress. etc) it should contain.

EDIT

Had a look at the website
If we were to go for a feel, to carry the symbolism from the site graphics to the promo, apprarant impressions to me are:
(siamese) twins sharing same mind swimming in an audiometric noise matrix. Any thoughts on that interpretation or how to pursue?

 

[neema]

Cool!

It is as simple as Parallel describes.

Each promo vid would be a youtube short (1 min or so) description of what's coming up in the next podcast. Just a way of marketing. It could also be used to frame actual podcasts that AWTF and I could put the audio and selected relevant images into. I use cyberlink powerdirector - a laymans movie maker that would make it easy for us to edit for each episode.

Ok, how about you give me a paragraph describing your upcoming podcast as how you would visualize it, and I'll take it from there.

Perhaps we could setup a space we could use for other projects aswell, I have no experience of mailgroups outside yahoo, but I find that a bit clunky. Though anything would do that has some upload space, any suggestions?

Well we can set up an ftp account to upload and download works files from.

 

[The rabbit]

This project I assume you guys would want to do the audio/ voice over, so perhaps you have ideas for a permanent audio scheme as opposed to episode specific announcements, also a note on other permanent information (contact, adress. etc) it should contain.

Yes we have just finished talking about this and a main permanent signature theme /graphic/animation is , we feel , the way to go . for now.

So if we can give you keywords , images we have in mind , a sentence maybe this can maybe get your creative juices flowing. sosmething linking to our opening vocal. "With the time on the doomsday clock quickly approaching the hour its time to join.......at everymanradiǿ" The bells you hear undelying each podcast to date i am a sucker for so hopefully that will remain under soundbites etc. Hope this helps.

 

[Rich]

Sounds like a plan. :D
Why don't you guys fill me on what we are looking to do with this promo, and we can get started on a storyboard asap.

Looking at similar on youtube they tend to be about 15 seconds or so.

Do you have some examples?

Something like _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQR33CSUQP0&feature=related except the circle being a globe with comet{s) smashing into it?

New Orleans has done some great artwork on the website which we can make available along with sound file jingles, music beds and text.
We could set up a private subforum/mailgroup or other method that you're used to working with for this type of collaboration.

Perhaps we could setup a space we could use for other projects aswell, I have no experience of mailgroups outside yahoo, but I find that a bit clunky. Though anything would do that has some upload space, any suggestions?

Just seeking advice on this.

This project I assume you guys would want to do the audio/ voice over, so perhaps you have ideas for a permanent audio scheme as opposed to episode specific announcements, also a note on other permanent information (contact, adress. etc) it should contain.

As AWTF says, a permanent scheme for time being.

Had a look at the website
If we were to go for a feel, to carry the symbolism from the site graphics to the promo, apprarant impressions to me are:
(siamese) twins sharing same mind swimming in an audiometric noise matrix. Any thoughts on that interpretation or how to pursue?

The background could be matrixy the bodies come around to front from behind globe towards end just before comet impact and are joined by 'the banner text.

Those are just very loose ideas and in no way constraining, completely open to anything.