Must not be doing it right

To clarify if I was to break up with someone and they cut off contact with me I would feel bad in the sense that I would assume that they were hurt or at least inconvenienced in one way or another and I would feel remorse for causing that...regardless if it's for the greater good or not I would have affected someone in a negative way on a day that is about giving, togetherness and family. I felt and to a certaint extent still feel bad that she wants to communicate and I don't. I know it's foolish but we were very close and to cut off contact i feel like i am being a little cold even though for me I know that it will Benifit me more then if I was to contact her

I don't want anything from her at this point.

Thanks Ms Peel those are good ideas
 
Menna said:
To clarify if I was to break up with someone and they cut off contact with me I would feel bad in the sense that I would assume that they were hurt or at least inconvenienced in one way or another and I would feel remorse for causing that...regardless if it's for the greater good or not I would have affected someone in a negative way on a day that is about giving, togetherness and family. I felt and to a certaint extent still feel bad that she wants to communicate and I don't. I know it's foolish but we were very close and to cut off contact i feel like i am being a little cold even though for me I know that it will Benifit me more then if I was to contact her

I don't want anything from her at this point.

Thanks Ms Peel those are good ideas

You're welcome, and you do realize that what you are experiencing by "feeling bad" is the "be nice" program, right? It's a real hard one to shake.
 
Yes you see it too. My friends always tell me "Your too nice". It's a bad program because it spirals me down to other programs. If I overextend myself and are too nice and I feel the other person doesn't appreciate it then I feel like I am being taken advantage of and start to paint a negative picture about that person...I think the too nice program might be a defense mechanism that I use to see who will be as nice as me or if this person treats me as nice as I do them then they are special...i am also afraid to have regret so in my mind if im always nice then i wont regret doing anything wrong even though sometimes im hurting myself.

Is there any physiological literature about this "be nice program" or any suggestion on how to better handle it. I would like to develop an internal Boundry that's says "stop you are being too nice"
 
Menna said:
Is there any physiological literature about this "be nice program" or any suggestion on how to better handle it. I would like to develop an internal Boundry that's says "stop you are being too nice"

Menna,

I've spent years working on this particular program, and have made a little progress, yet it is always difficult, because it is a deeply ingrained program in those of us who struggle with it. So I feel for you when you speak of the all-consuming urge to be "nice."

As Don Juan said (loosely quoted) "Battles cannot be fought with niceties." And as you may be aware, by taking on this Work on the self, you have entered into a battle for your soul. You must be ruthless with yourself in order to succeed.

When you say "I would like to develop an internal Boundry" - then stop wishing to do so and develop it. You are the only actor of change who can bring the necessary effort to the surface. It requires constant attention on each moment and the drive to overcome self-importance. I think the boundary you're speaking of is Gurdjieff's "regulating factor" - the observer who watches from outside of the mechanical self and reminds the self (when able) of lessons learned.

One thing that helps me immensely is to be on constant watch for A influences, identify them, and make a sincere effort to be open to and cultivate higher impressions.

For example, you may have the urge to be nice, spawned from fear, in order to regulate what those around you think about you. This is entirely mechanical (A influence). Then, someday when you have a moment of seeing that your actions are mechanical and self-serving, that moment/realization is (imo) a B influence, because it has been handed down to us from conscious teachers who have come before and seeks to act on the development of a magnetic center.

But the road is perilous, and these influences can be easily misconstrued. I do it all the time. Self-importance is everywhere and in everything, even in the desire to awaken. What is at the heart of the matter is your willingness to cultivate a sensitivity for these different influences, in order to someday develop the WILL to make conscious choices about what you do or do not give your attention to. Before this process is underway you must ruthlessly and with perseverance SEE that you have been and are completely mechanical and self-serving - no matter how "nice" you see yourself as. That is the deception and the destructive path of being "the nice guy."

In my own opinion - this does not mean that you will not be cordial, or pleasant to other people. It means that you will not be cordial or pleasant with lies - beginning with those lies you tell yourself.

Here's the page from Cassiopedia about A, B, and C Influences:

[quote author=http://cassiopedia.org/glossary/A,_B_and_C_Influences]The 4th Way Work classifies the forces working on man into A, B and C influences. A influences are mechanical and random in nature, they seek to keep man occupied with the external world. They can be pictured as vectors of random magnitude and direction which all in the end add up to the zero vector. This is how A influences keep man in his place while providing a lot of random, transient motion. To take a physics analogy, this is like thermal motion of molecules. A influences are the normal realm of man and as long as man seeks no esoteric development these can be good and favorable.

A influences are influences or force vectors created within life itself. Influences such as race, nation, country, family, profession, entertainment, current ideas, customs and so on create A influences. These are the first variety of influences by which man is surrounded. These influences are distributed almost equally over all the surface of the cycle of life. Their effects are radiated outwardly and these effects are inversely proportional to the square of the distance, much like the way in which radiant energy is propagated. Any man is influenced by those influences that directly surround him. He is pulled every instant in this way or that way depending on the way they act on him at any moment within his spatial region. These A influences that surround him, all point in different directions creating a force vector nullification that is comparable to the electrical neutrality of large bodies, whereby no matter how intense the local electrostatic fields surrounding the atoms may be, there is always a space-distributed compensation that makes the whole body perfectly neutral. Those who live strictly by A influences are what Gurdjieff refers to as "nullities.' This is your "average man" in life.

B influences are vectors that are thrown into the field of A influences but these have a conscious source and a consistent direction. B influences do not cancel each other out and systematically recognizing and following these may lead man to the beginning of esoteric work.

B influences differ from A influences because they are CONSCIOUS in their origin and have been created consciously OUTSIDE life by conscious people for a definite purpose. These influences are the "soul" of any culture and they are embodied in the form of religious systems and teachings, philosophical doctrines, art, etc. They are inserted into life for a definite purpose but although these influences are conscious in their origin they begin to act mechanically when they mix within the general vortex of life. Eventually 'B' influences will be transformed into 'A' influences after they merge together within this general vortex.

In some people there is a discriminatory power within them that allows them to discriminate between these two kinds of influences and they discern from this that there are certain influences that come from a source that is outside the mainstream of life. This person remembers them and FEELS them together and they begin to form a certain whole, a certain kind of magnetic "presence" within that person. This person may not be sure exactly what this feeling is and they cannot really give themselves a clear account of what these feelings necessarily mean but the end result is that they collect within this person and they form a MAGNETIC CENTER, and if the conditions are right, this magnetic center leads them to search for someone who knows the way and is connected to the source of these 'B' influences, that is, they seek a person or teacher who is connected to an esoteric center that stands outside the general laws of life.

It is from this source that the person sets on the WAY. The moment when the person looking for the way meets someone who knows the way then this contact is called the FIRST THRESHOLD or FIRST STEP. From this first threshold the STAIRWAY begins. Between 'life' and the 'way' lies the 'stairway.'

C influences are only found within the Work and can only be received in personal interaction with a conscious being. Receiving C influences requires a certain level of personal sensitization and receptivity. Failing this, C influences work like B influences. C influences come from the SOURCE, that is, from an esoteric Center that is located outside of life. When they directly act on someone with a newly developing magnetic center THROUGH a teacher who is directly connected to the source then these influences are called C influences. From this connection the person's magnetic center will grow and will lead them to escape the dominion of the Law of chance and enter into the domain of consciousness.

The magnetic center is the organ the seeker gradually develops for discerning between A and B influences. External criteria cannot generally be used for distinguishing between A and B influences. A influences can closely mimic and parallel B influences. For example, such an influence may speak of the personal gain to be had in the Work, may preach humility while secretly priding oneself on one's great purity etc. Such influences generally involve a degree of dishonesty or deceit or service to self. The points may be arbitrarily subtle and no fixed checklist can be adequate. Discernment is a skill that eventually may become a part of one's being.[/quote]

It takes time, Menna, so give yourself some time. The experience you've just had with this woman is rich with lessons about your own fears and desires. It seems to me, from my limited perspective, that you are making good progress. Hang in there. :)
 
Yes I have some knowledge about the different influences.

For example if a pizza commercial comes on TV and then I want pizza go out and get it then I was influenced by a modern day A influence...if in the commercial there was a slogan "insert esoteric quote here" if I was to write the quote down and it influenced me then that would Be a B influence.

I joined the FOF in search of C influence and to gain a better understanding but then found out the "leader" was charged with molestation and I began to get a wierd vibe (they were pushing me to fly out to California) and then I came across information on this forum about how it is a fake 4th way group so I stopped going. For now books, the forum and my effort are what I am going with.

Recently I have been hit with the realization of how little importance I have and that self importance puts one in a illusion at least for me that's what I feel.

Thank you for taking the time in your reply
 
Menna said:
Yes you see it too. My friends always tell me "Your too nice". It's a bad program because it spirals me down to other programs. If I overextend myself and are too nice and I feel the other person doesn't appreciate it then I feel like I am being taken advantage of and start to paint a negative picture about that person...

Do you feel that you have to be "nice" always or people wont like you?
Also, consider that there are many "vampires" out there, and that people like you are usually prey of those "vampires", not to mention that once prey of someone who takes what you give (when you should not be giving in the first place), you will prey on others as well. Subconsciously of course.

Menna said:
I think the too nice program might be a defense mechanism that I use to see who will be as nice as me or if this person treats me as nice as I do them then they are special...i am also afraid to have regret so in my mind if im always nice then i wont regret doing anything wrong even though sometimes im hurting myself.

Those people that are "special" appear with frequency, or is a never ending quest of people who meet your criteria of "special"?
Why you do not regret overextending and hurting yourself? You fear regreting for not doing things for others, but what about yourself?

Menna said:
Is there any physiological literature about this "be nice program" or any suggestion on how to better handle it. I would like to develop an internal Boundry that's says "stop you are being too nice"

Actually the text I linked some posts above is exactly about this issue. People who are too nice, who feel they must be necessary to others in order to feel lovable. Its from a psychologist named Shari Schreiber. I refer to it from time to time, since I also suffer with this program.

Also, you may want to take a look at the wave, and see the chronicles of Laura's journey to get rid of this program, her realizations and all.

Reading the big Five psychology books recommended by the forum would also be a good task, for the reasons for this program usually are found on childhood.
 
Menna said:
She is the same hight as my mother and has the same hair color and style.

She used sarcasm for humor as do I.

She was forward she would lean on me or hold my hand/be the first to grab it/showed she liked me and confident. Attractive body and face

Menna

Sarcasm is veiled anger. Read carefully the Narcississm series for insight into the source, especially Trapped in the Mirror and Unholy Hungers. Your "B" influences will come as you recognize patterns influencing your false confidence
such as "care for the body". "A" influences strongly perpetuate notions of physical prowness and attractiveness as being meaningful life goals (your icon speaks loudly here). Health and fitness are important, but only as vehicles toward the development of a magnetic center through The Work. Your attachment to mother image is worth looking at. Well done in coming forward with this thread. A big step indeed.
 

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