Narendra Modi: 'Hero of the Masses' or 'Villain', as liberal English media have portrayed him for 17 years?

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Death toll increased to 27 and there were accusations of police didn't do much. It looks BJP leaders and pro-CAA protesters who gathered made inflammatory speeches with loud speakers. In these type of events, Gangs gets involved and take advantage of the situation. Here the impressions of ThePrint journalists who covered the ground. It looks most of the Pro-CAA protesters are outside the state.
 

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Death toll increased to 27 and there were accusations of police didn't do much. It looks BJP leaders and pro-CAA protesters who gathered made inflammatory speeches with loud speakers. In these type of events, Gangs gets involved and take advantage of the situation. Here the impressions of ThePrint journalists who covered the ground. It looks most of the Pro-CAA protesters are outside the state.
That was an interesting show, seek10. Thanks for sharing it.

Interesting what each young journalist said (a couple I could not understand due to language), as it was for most their very first violent encounter, and it was traumatic enough for them.

So, was able to get a sense of what was going on between groups - being displaced across the river from Delhi earlier in time; more or less becoming ghettoized, while before they were more communal. Then the agitators spoke (and later disappeared as they usual do) and the gangs came in. The neighbors, either Hindu or Muslim, are then caught up in it all. The police did nothing. Very sad.
 

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Mean while, death toll increased to 38, even though there is no major incident in last 2 days, number increase mostly due to more dead bodies were found. Police arrested AAP party (Ruling Delhi assembly) leader Tahir hussain for murdering IB (intelligence) official and dumping in the canal during these riots. They sealed his house and found hundreds of bags of rocks, petrol bombs, sling shots etc. AAP party suspended his party membership, until he his innocent.

I was looking for more information, to make sense of what happened, finding more information.

Interviews with locals and violent scenes: Muslim and Hindu shops, religious places burnt (depending on the location), mainly on the main roads. Side lines were spared because people living in those lines blocked them from entering. Most of rioters are outside, local politicians brought them. T

Tahir Hussain's house : According to reports, around 300 people used Tahir Hussian's high raised house (relatively) to throw stones, petrol bombs etc. down, while he supervised with a stick(as per neibhors). Of course, he denies it. neighbors says, they used this house for 3 days during the riots, some days from 7AM to 9PM. ahir hussain factory and house centre point of the stones, petrol bomhs and most of the visuals.

Another area of violence : This is from Mujaffarbad where shaheen bagh located, where another AAP leader organized the riots. Onlooker say 15,000 people marched with new blue helmets , sticks in hand, burning every thing that is not marked as "No NRC" in the mile stretch of very busy area with Muslim shops or the legislature's shopping untouched. Interestingly, liberal media showed a school that is burned saying "they didn't leave the schools", but ignoring the neighboring school untouched, found the removed CCTV camera's and petrol bombs.

Interesting coincidences when US leaders comes to India ( english subtitles): Whenever US president comes, there are more protests. Day before Trump arrived there are 3 more places were blocked. Jafrabad station is one that new blockage area popped up with muslim woman in the front. Every thing is blamed on BJP leader Kapil mishra who gave 3 days ultimatum to the police to clear the road. liberal media focuses on the slogans like "Jai shriram" as a sign of instigation, keep changing their focus point to hide their misreporting, while ignoring what other side started.

There are many bizarre video's came out of the Shaheen Bagh protesters who were locked the road for more than 70 days. This shaheen Bagh crowd some days they shout "Independence from Hindu's/Modi", "No other God except Allah", "Separate India" and when exposed, flip it waving Indian flags when exposed. Liberal media including ThePrint( founder Sekhar gupta, who calls him a proud liberal, tend to be little better than hard core liberals like NDTV in confessing his mistakes).

But, Most people stayed out of it, leaving the noisy lefties make themselves exposed( as it showed in Modi 1.0 days). With Shaheen Bagh master mind's arrest ( kept anti-CAA gang went into defensive and even they became Hanuman Bhakt over night) and New Delhi election results ( BJP tried to capitalize on it, but didn't work out), it is clear that there is no political advantage of it. Thing should have gone away. Delhi elections softened hard line West bengal CM who talked about civil war and UN intervention over CAA. After 2019 elections, all opposition realized that, the more they attack Modi, he becomes more popular.
The man who had once called Modi "a coward and a psychopath" did not utter a single harsh word against the prime minister throughout the campaign.
But, the protests in Shaheen Bagh became a sour point. With BJP crowd challenging them, more seems have popped up and this violence started.

It does looks like, some body organizing to keep the fire alive over. That's why some started speculating that some body wants to turn it to "India's Maidan".

Funny, how liberandu ( i came across this word for the first time today) went with "Violence doesn't have identity or religion" narration. It is this biased narration continue to give increased popularity to "Sickularism". We know they can't stop because their fear is so high of losing the power once they enjoyed. Muslims, secularism is only a cover. Just like in US with Trump and conservatives.

Interesting what each young journalist said (a couple I could not understand due to language), as it was for most their very first violent encounter, and it was traumatic enough for them.
What I find it strange vising after 12 years is the overwhelming young generation that is every where ( airports, roads, work force etc.). I even found it bizarre, but it makes sense if we see the history. In 1940/950, couples tend to have lot of children as the infant death rates are high, by 80/90's couples limited themselves to 2 children. So Suddenly the older generation disappeared leaving large young generation ( 800 million below 35 years) at the helm of nation. In that way these young generation haven't seen the violence of the communal violence much, except Modi being accused of mastermind of 2002 riots . Any way, walking riot torn area's is traumatic enough.

While China went with 2 child policy in 70's, India went with soft approach of "family Planning" encouraging the 2 children. Whether families followed or not question of big religious controversy, confusing interpretation of numbers and focus of the writers. While Hard Hindu factions argue that Hindu's followed small family( which is true) and muslims went with large families, thus increasing their numbers. Muslim factions argue that "Our rate of growth is low " between so and so period, so Hindu factions are Islamophobic. If one spends time, even muslims are slowly reducing their family size recent decades.

So, was able to get a sense of what was going on between groups - being displaced across the river from Delhi earlier in time; more or less becoming ghettoized, while before they were more communal. Then the agitators spoke (and later disappeared as they usual do) and the gangs came in. The neighbors, either Hindu or Muslim, are then caught up in it all. The police did nothing. Very sad.
The whole CAA protests are silly in my opinion. The information, Govt. is asking is more or less similar to what they are providing to Bank account opening or drivers license. But, this information tend to be very stale ( or short term stay information) and patchy, so every country asks the little more information to give citizenship. Most of the $US 200 billion Modi Govt. spent in his 1.0 was not given just like that- strict accountability( which didn't exist before) was established through out the hierarchy, with proper documentation. This is the biggest contributor of his popularity in a country where people for generations gave up HOPE of any change mainly due to politics and money.

Govt. finally agreed to talk to the Shaheen Bagh protesters , nothing came out of it. Supreme court created mediation committee, but nothing came out of it. There are statements saying, if they leave Shaheen Bagh, they won't be able to build momentum later. So, this is about momentum behind the protest rather than whether protest is justified or not and liberal media loves to peddle "feel insecure" narration. If "feel insecure" is the justification, what should hindu's who feel insecure in muslim areas do.

White washing 1984 Sikh pograms: There is another angle is liberals don't mention ( or try to whitewash) is 1984 pogram of Sikhs ( as much as 30,000 killed, Sikhs were hanged on the streets of Delhi and decade of daily terrorism violence in Punjab) after the assassination of Indira Gandhi. Indian used to daily dose of news of violence in Punjab in 80's and Kashmir since 90's.

This 1984 pograms created lot of migration of Punjab to west, who call for Khalistan( separate Punjab Nation). Some of the prominent folks with these sympathies are in Canadian Govt. and its political system and in Washington. They tend to make news once in a while. Unfortunately, they don't have support on the ground in agriculturally rich Punjab. After 1984, Indian Govt.did some thing unique in India at that time . They suspended all political process in Punjab and gave a police officer called KPS Gill, full control to bring it to normalcy. He was credited with winning the hearts of the Punjabi's with elimination of terrorists who have sympathies across punjab (due to the pogram ) and bringing back the normalcy. So, to the disappointment of Pakistan and Khalistan supporters, Punjabi's are not in mood for any more violence.

If liberals mention 1984 riots, their narration of Modi as the monster of India will fall apart.

That's why Indians doesn't give too much credit to "democracy" as Westerners version of "Solution to all Problems". In fact, Indians don't dislike Chinese communist party's control over its people. In the name of "democracy", Indians only fought with themselves, while Chinese are doing what is needed for their country. This doesn't mean they don't like to freedom to talk, but abuse of it became so in-cohesive internal bickering that they like Modi's no nonsense tough talk and delivery. In fact, Modi made it clear that he will implement CAA. some how his talk became Nazism.
 

seek10

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More dead bodies were found in a canal, death toll increased to 40. Mean while, there were some viral video's came out showing how the arrested AAP party counsellor's involvement in accumulating stones, protestors using his house to burn it.

Here is another video which shows Tahir Hussain, who claimed innocence organizing things before the riots. Another viral video which is claimed that protesting woman at shaheen bagh getting paid.
Normally, this happens all the time during elections. Unfortunately this time, it led to riots and 40 people killed and more than 200 injured.
 

seek10

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Old bonds are snapping as India gets polarized but it’s ‘liberals’ who seem to be pulling them apart

All of us know that something changed in India in 2014 when Narendra Modi became Prime Minister. The sheer volume of books and opinion pieces trying to explain that change is overwhelming—though very often a felicity with language cloaks pure bile, and the analysis is hardly ever neutral. And this is unlikely to end anytime soon. Nowadays, writers begin their diatribes with “When we look back 20 years from now…" or “When we tell the next generation…"

Yes, India is more polarized than ever in living memory, but I don’t wish to harp on the obvious. My concerns have to do with a trait that has helped us survive and thrive physically and emotionally since the dawn of mankind—friendship.

Nearly two-and-a-half millennia ago, Aristotle defined three types of friendship. In utility friendships, people come together for instrumental benefits, like business partnerships or strategic alliances. Pleasure friendships are based on mutual enjoyment of a hobby or sport, like members of a cine club where one doesn’t care to know about others’ personal lives, or men who meet every Friday night to play bridge. Aristotle termed them “incomplete" friendships, being characterized by self-interest. Once those interests are served, the incentive for keeping up the relationship vanishes.

The third type, what the Greek philosopher called “friendship of the good", is rare and precious. It’s based upon mutual goodwill, and an unselfish desire to help the other person be her best possible self. You’re comfortable being honest and open with her and can criticize her without causing offence. She knows you’re always looking out for her best interests and will not be judged. This is “true" friendship.
In post-2014 India, many friendships that had appeared “true" are breaking up. And strangely enough, it is the so-called “liberals", the ones supposed to be more open to diverse viewpoints and less closed-minded than the “right wing", who are more likely to end these relationships. People tell me how their “liberal" friends started forgetting to return calls, kept declining dinner invitations on flimsy excuses, then stopped calling them over. Of course, it took some time for the poor sods to realize what was happening. That they were now “bhakts", “sanghis", “fascists".

The branding is quick and easy. A friend, let’s call him Siddharth, whose “sanghi-ness" and Hindu fundamentalism extends only to a deep study of the Upanishads and the Mahabharata, recounts how a decades-old friend was nonplussed when Siddharth walked in, uninvited, at his mother’s funeral. He had quietly unfriended Siddharth, and thought that the feeling was mutual—surely Siddharth too now hated him because he was “liberal"? A cousin, a long-time Bharatiya Janata Party supporter, tells me how some “liberal" friends have cut him out. “They think I’ve changed, but it’s actually them," he said. “What I’ve felt for them for years remains the same, but suddenly I’m judged on the basis of my vote." He says with a laugh, “I’m low-class now."

This is not an India-specific phenomenon
. A Pew Research Center study carried out in the US in 2017, six months after Donald Trump took over as president, found nearly half of liberal Democrats—47%—saying that if a friend supported Trump, it would put a strain on their friendship. Only 13% of Republicans said a friend’s support of Hillary Clinton would similarly affect their relationship. In fact, 68% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning voters said they found it “stressful and frustrating" to talk to people who have a different opinion of Trump. About 50% of Republican and Republican-leaning voters said the same. So who exactly are liberal and tolerant?

While the 2016 presidential campaign was on, another Pew study showed that 47% of people who planned to vote for Clinton didn’t have any close friends who were Trump supporters. The corresponding figure for Trump voters was 31%. Is there a bubble here, a seeking of homogeneity that the “right wing" is routinely accused of?
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Sandipan Deb is a former editor of ‘Financial Express’, and founder-editor of ‘Open’ and ‘Swarajya’ magazines
 

seek10

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There are reports that shaheen bagh (ground 0 of the protests) lost its steam. Most of major national english media or google, who splash shaheen bagh news on the front page, doesn't have the news about this news. There are reports that it is the same in other cities they organized, found to be few people or none in the tents for protestors. Speculation range from "ran out of money" , " What the arrested AAP legislator told police". He organized the riots from his factory/house and arrested for killing of intelligence official who lives on the same street. They imposed section 144 ( making it illegal to 4 people gather at the location).
HT learns that Indian intelligence agencies have picked up cross-country electronic chatter where people believed to be Pakistani operatives are berating their sources for not organizing enough crowds for anti-CAA protests on March 3-4 despite the funding at their disposal. In one such call, heard by HT, the handler curses his contact and adds that he has to explain the lack of crowds to his higher ups. While the context of the call is clear, HT cannot establish when it was made, or the identity of the two speakers,
There are change in the stance of few state governments that opposed CAA/NPR during the peak of protests.
Bowing to people pressure in the state Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister YS Jagan Mohan Reddy has changed his stand on the contentious National Population Register (NPR) exercise. He has now appealed to the central government to update the NPR by collecting population data in the 2010 format.

This comes close on the heels of Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar's similar assertion that the Centre should collect data for NPR.

Jagan Mohan Reddy had earlier extended support to the Citizenship Amedment Act in Parliament and also to the NPR exercise. But on Tuesday, he took to his personal handle on Twitter, to say that there are apprehensions in a section of society. He cited it as the reason why he is opposed to the NPR in the new format.

However, it is not clear yet what the state would do if the central government decided to go ahead with the NPR exercise relying on the 2020 format. The basic difference between the two formats is in collecting data of parents' place and date of birth that created apprehensions particularly among Muslims.

"Some of the questions proposed in the NPR are causing insecurities in the mind of minorities of my State. After consultations within our party, we have decided to request the central government to revert the conditions to those prevailing in 2010," he tweeted.
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As many as 15 details of identity of individual members of each household were gathered during the 2010 head count. But in 2020, the Centre wants to collect additional information pertaining to mother tongue, places and date of births of both parents even if they are not living in the same house, or even alive.
 

seek10

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Mean while, death toll increased to 38, even though there is no major incident in last 2 days, number increase mostly due to more dead bodies were found. Police arrested AAP party (Ruling Delhi assembly) leader Tahir hussain for murdering IB (intelligence) official and dumping in the canal during these riots. They sealed his house and found hundreds of bags of rocks, petrol bombs, sling shots etc. AAP party suspended his party membership, until he his innocent.
While US is going through a phase, India went through 4 months back, this news item came out.
Delhi riots case: Tahir Hussain 'prepared for riots well in advance', spent Rs 1.30 crore { $US170,000}, says chargesheet

Delhi riots: The chargesheet which runs into 1,030 pages names Tahir Hussain, his brother and 15 others as accused relying upon the testimonies of over 75 witnesses.
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The Delhi Police in its fresh chargesheet filed in the Karkardooma court in connection with the northeast Delhi riots case has claimed that suspended AAP councillor Tahir Hussain "prepared for the riots well in advance".

The chargesheet which runs into 1,030 pages names Hussain, his brother and 15 others as accused relying upon the testimonies of over 75 witnesses. The chargesheet hints that Hussain had planned the riots well in advance because all the CCTV cameras installed near his house were shut.

During the investigation, when the Crime Branch team scanned the CCTV footage, the police could not find anything. The chargesheet also states that when riots broke out in Chand Bagh on February 24 and 25 Hussain was present inside his house in Chand Bagh.

He was clearly seen on the rooftop of his Chand Bagh house on February 24 and as per the voluminous document, he was the one instigating people for the riots.

According to the chargesheet, Hussain played a major role in the violence and it is alleged that he was the "mastermind" of the riots that broke out in the Chand Bagh area.

"Investigation has revealed that there was a deep rooted conspiracy to cause riots in North East Delhi. Tahir Hussain, a politician of Aam Aadmi Party and sitting councillor in EDMC, Delhi, played a pivotal role in the incident. His younger brother, Shah Alam was also arrested," the police said in a statement.

"Recovery of crates containing glass bottles having some liquid filled in them and their necks stuffed with pieces of cloth, which were used/to be used as Molotov cocktails, large number of bricks and stone pieces and three catapults from the house of accused Tahir Hussain further point towards the conspiracy and the extent of preparation for causing riots in the area," the statement said further.

The chargesheet states that the probe revealed that Hussain had funded the violence that broke out in the area for which he spent Rs 1.30 crore.

When IANS visited Tahir's house soon after the riots, it had a number of petrol bomb bottles, acid pouches, and stones scattered on the rooftop and inside. On the second floor of the house, 10 to 15 pouches of acid were found along with same number of petrol bombs.

Even on the rooftop of the four-storey building a number of petrol bombs were found intact with a catapult that was used to launch the petrol bombs and stones on nearby houses.

The fresh chargesheet, however, states that the crime branch has not been able to ascertain the source of the said petrol bombs yet. The stones which were found were prepared in his house, the document states.

"It was interesting to find out that on 22.2.2020, Tahir got his pistol released from Police Station Khajuri Khas. This is just one day prior to the starting of riots in Delhi. He was found connected to Khalid Saifi and Umar Khalid who are part of a larger group of persons who were organising riots and protests in Delhi," the statement of the police said.

Communal violence had broken out in the parts of Delhi in February after clashes between pro- and anti-Citizenship Amendment Act agitators spiralled out of control, leaving 53 dead.
 
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