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Fyi, the video was uploaded onto YouTube 3 years ago.
Near-Earth objects and close calls
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Dave_P
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Yes, there are many similar videos from previous years where these types of rocket phenomena are appreciated. by this, i do not mean that absolutely all events of this type are from the same source.
Impact flash on Jupiter captured on video by amateur astronomers
SOMETHING JUST HIT JUPITER Last night, German astronomer Harald Paleske was watching the shadow of Io create a solar eclipse in the atmosphere of Jupiter when something unexpected happened. "A bright flash of light surprised me," he says. "It...
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SOMETHING JUST HIT JUPITER: Last night, Sept. 13-14, German astronomer Harald Paleske was watching the shadow of Io create a solar eclipse in the atmosphere of Jupiter when something unexpected happened. "A bright flash of light surprised me," he says. "It could only be an impact." Follow the arrows to the fireball:
Paleske video-recorded the event. Reviewing the frames, he quickly ruled out objects such as airplanes and satellites, which might be crossing Jupiter at the time of his observation. The fireball was fixed in Jupiter's atmosphere. It first appeared at 22:39:27 UT on Sept. 13th and remained visible for a full two seconds.
The most likely explanation is a small asteroid or comet striking the giant planet; an asteroid in the 100m size range would do the trick.
This isn't the first time astronomers have seen things hitting Jupiter. The most famous example is Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 (SL9), which struck Jupiter in July 1994. At the time, most astronomers thought such collisions were rare, happening every hundred years or so. Since SL9, however, amateur astronomers using improved low-light cameras have observed more than a dozen impact flashes in Jupiter's cloudtops. The Solar System is more dangerous than we thought.
Paleske pinpoints the fireball at Jovian latitude 106.9° (CM1), longitude +3.8°. Other observers are encouraged to monitor the location for debris. Previous impacts have sometimes created inky clouds -- probably the remains of the impactor itself mixed with aerosols formed by shock-chemistry during the explosion.
The event was also recorded in Brazil.
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Jupiter just got smacked by a space rock and an amateur astronomer caught it on camera
The giant planet gets pummeled on a fairly regular basis.
How do you reliably avoid confusing incoming space junk with a fireball?
In the past, I have been wondering if some of the observed fireballs were actually incoming space junk colliding with the atmosphere.
The speed of a satellite in low orbits is around 16,000 miles/hour or /25,000km/hour or 7 km/s and rather slow for a meteoroid, since the Wiki claims speeds "typically in excess of 20 km/s"
When one studies the NASA Bolide data, the slowest of those that are calculated is just below 10 km/s (9.8 km/s), thus significantly higher than 7 km/s. But apart from burning up or meeting resistance from the atmosphere, some may still accelerate, so the 7 km/s may not be trustworthy either. This page Impact Cratering Mechanics, claims that the limit for an object from space is 11.2 km/s which is the escape velocity in the gravity field of the Earth, but does that hold for space junk too? How can one distinguish?
In the past, I have been wondering if some of the observed fireballs were actually incoming space junk colliding with the atmosphere.
The speed of a satellite in low orbits is around 16,000 miles/hour or /25,000km/hour or 7 km/s and rather slow for a meteoroid, since the Wiki claims speeds "typically in excess of 20 km/s"
When one studies the NASA Bolide data, the slowest of those that are calculated is just below 10 km/s (9.8 km/s), thus significantly higher than 7 km/s. But apart from burning up or meeting resistance from the atmosphere, some may still accelerate, so the 7 km/s may not be trustworthy either. This page Impact Cratering Mechanics, claims that the limit for an object from space is 11.2 km/s which is the escape velocity in the gravity field of the Earth, but does that hold for space junk too? How can one distinguish?
Meteor network cameras can be a little off, sometimes
I did a post about the 3600-year cluster in Session 3 August 1996 if anyone has interest. It came about after I read news of a meteor captured on the local network that indicated an initial speed of 74 km/s and an eccentricity of the orbit >2 meaning no orbit at all. After noticing an article from 2020: The challenge of identifying interstellar meteors. I asked the meteor group admin on FB about the high speed. He answered this morning that one camera had been installed in a temporary location and was a little off. It had now been corrected, and the data recalculated, leading to a less surprising speed, but still fast. The speed is now 64 km/s and the meteor has been estimated to belong to the September Epsilon Perseids.
The problems raised by the article on interstellar dust goes beyond this instance. Some meteor streams are very fast, and their orbits are very eccentric. While a camera may be good for recording the optical event, the computer program analyzing the data might give one more apparent accuracy than the physical set up can really justify. What helps a network is when there are several observations, then they between themselves can check who and what might be off. In this case there were three cameras, but for the speed only two. Sometimes there are four or five cameras on one meteor, and if the cameras are well-adjusted, that should give more reliable calculations.
I did a post about the 3600-year cluster in Session 3 August 1996 if anyone has interest. It came about after I read news of a meteor captured on the local network that indicated an initial speed of 74 km/s and an eccentricity of the orbit >2 meaning no orbit at all. After noticing an article from 2020: The challenge of identifying interstellar meteors. I asked the meteor group admin on FB about the high speed. He answered this morning that one camera had been installed in a temporary location and was a little off. It had now been corrected, and the data recalculated, leading to a less surprising speed, but still fast. The speed is now 64 km/s and the meteor has been estimated to belong to the September Epsilon Perseids.
The problems raised by the article on interstellar dust goes beyond this instance. Some meteor streams are very fast, and their orbits are very eccentric. While a camera may be good for recording the optical event, the computer program analyzing the data might give one more apparent accuracy than the physical set up can really justify. What helps a network is when there are several observations, then they between themselves can check who and what might be off. In this case there were three cameras, but for the speed only two. Sometimes there are four or five cameras on one meteor, and if the cameras are well-adjusted, that should give more reliable calculations.
@c.a. Regarding your post with the recent impact on Jupiter which included a Tweet:
This page, Impact Cratering Mechanics has considered the average impact velocities on other planets. First the image for the inner solar system where the Earth is located:
The impact velocities for Mercury, and to a less extent Venus are affected by the mass of the Sun while that of the Moon is affected by that of the Earth. On Earth the escape velocity is 11.1 km/s and the average impact velocity is around 18 km/s. Knowing these makes it easier to imagine what the situation on Jupiter is.
For the outer planets the average impact velocities are considered for the impact of dust particles, which are easier to work mathematically, with when knowing the escape velocities. Here one finds, that on Jupiter the escape velocity is 59.4 km/s, about 5 times the escape velocity on Earth or alternatively a little more than three times the average impact velocity on Earth.
And the text below the images explains:
According to Impact Cratering Mechanic 53 km/s is the average speed of long-period comets with a period of 200-1000 years. If we make a guess that near-hyperbolic comets with periods of more than a 1000 do not have much less velocity on average, then impacts of a comet from the Oort cloud could impact the Earth with close to as much power as the recent hit on Jupiter, if it had the same physical properties. Isn't that sobering?
Below are comments on why an object hits so hard when impacting Jupiter and what we may be able to learn from it.
This page, Impact Cratering Mechanics has considered the average impact velocities on other planets. First the image for the inner solar system where the Earth is located:
The impact velocities for Mercury, and to a less extent Venus are affected by the mass of the Sun while that of the Moon is affected by that of the Earth. On Earth the escape velocity is 11.1 km/s and the average impact velocity is around 18 km/s. Knowing these makes it easier to imagine what the situation on Jupiter is.
For the outer planets the average impact velocities are considered for the impact of dust particles, which are easier to work mathematically, with when knowing the escape velocities. Here one finds, that on Jupiter the escape velocity is 59.4 km/s, about 5 times the escape velocity on Earth or alternatively a little more than three times the average impact velocity on Earth.
And the text below the images explains:
If the object that recently impacted Jupiter had the same velocity as its own escape velocity, the same as Shoemaker-Levy, then it would have an impact energy that is approximately 10 times that of the average impact on Earth for the same physical properties in terms of mass and size.
According to Impact Cratering Mechanic 53 km/s is the average speed of long-period comets with a period of 200-1000 years. If we make a guess that near-hyperbolic comets with periods of more than a 1000 do not have much less velocity on average, then impacts of a comet from the Oort cloud could impact the Earth with close to as much power as the recent hit on Jupiter, if it had the same physical properties. Isn't that sobering?
NASA says the ‘boom’ and shaking Friday morning a fireball
Numerous reports came in all across the area Friday morning of a ‘boom’ and ground shaking. NASA says it was a fireball
7:46 PM · Sep 14, 2021·The Astronomer's Telegram
(NEW) ATel 14917: Apparent Outburst of Comet C/2014 UN271 (Bernardinelli-Bernstein.
.. https://astronomerstelegram.org/?read=14917
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The Living Force
When the discussed rainfall of satellites starts, we'll have ample material to compare regular meteorite impacts and burnt satellite metal junk remaining intact enough to smash house roofs.
A huge asteroid will fly past Earth on September 20, 2021.
sputniknews.com
By Andrei Dergalin - 4 hours ago
More here.
Just Another Day in Space: Massive Asteroid to Approach Earth
The asteroid is reportedly expected to whizz past Earth at around 10:30 pm GMT.
sputniknews.com
More here.
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This morning, I was able to catch the lunar collision flash for the first time in a long time! This is a telescope shot of the lunar collision flash that occurred at 4:33:10 on October 3, 2021 from my home in Hiratsuka. Since there is no atmosphere on the moon, craters are generated instead of becoming meteors, and the light that shines at that moment is called the lunar collision flash.
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This was taken with another telescope at the same time. Since there were no satellites in the catalog that glowed over multiple frames and passed through the lunar surface, there is a high possibility of a lunar collision flash
This morning, I was able to catch the lunar collision flash for the first time in a long time! This is a telescope shot of the lunar collision flash that occurred at 4:33:10 on October 3, 2021 from my home in Hiratsuka. Since there is no atmosphere on the moon, craters are generated instead of becoming meteors, and the light that shines at that moment is called the lunar collision flash.
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This was taken with another telescope at the same time. Since there were no satellites in the catalog that glowed over multiple frames and passed through the lunar surface, there is a high possibility of a lunar collision flash
