NeuroFeedback, NeurOptimal and Electroencephalography
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Nancy2feathers
The Living Force
We keep a blanket to cover up in when doing NO. I find it comforting and able to relax when doing NO when my body is warm.
This is great news for both of you! Hopefully this will continue! :)
I still find my awareness sharpened and my sleep has deepened, sleeping a straight 8hrs. I'm really amazed how NO has especially helped with my sleep!
Corvus
Dagobah Resident
When it comes to shaking of hands or head, it probably is more of a psychological issue, stress, anxiety and trauma related, not so much a pure neurological issue, that is why NO had beneficial results, because if it was some sort of neurological damage I doubt results would be so beneficial.
These are very heartening results for many people.
I have not started yet, I have been researching various rentals in my area, only 3 in the city, and a few outside that are not easily available to me.
Once I have rented a NO device, I will start experimenting. One thing I would like to try is doing a NO session, then a break for a day, then another NO session, followed the next day by a sensory deprivation float tank, and then another NO session the next day. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29394251 and this study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29386356 was funny as the sensory deprivation was trimming mouse whiskers! and brain plasticity https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19935836
I want to do the NO sessions normally as others here have done them, and then try them with a float tank in between to see if I notice a difference.
Or I may rather do as many NO sessions as needed until I feel/see less change between pre and post baselines, before I do a float tank sensory deprivation.
I am interested in the float tank experience as it is reported that it is very good for relaxation, anxiety reduction, stress, etc. I am thinking that having my brain alone with itself after a NO session may give it a break, a relaxation period, perhaps especially worthwhile if I am faced with a contraction phase.
Any thoughts?
I have not started yet, I have been researching various rentals in my area, only 3 in the city, and a few outside that are not easily available to me.
Once I have rented a NO device, I will start experimenting. One thing I would like to try is doing a NO session, then a break for a day, then another NO session, followed the next day by a sensory deprivation float tank, and then another NO session the next day. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29394251 and this study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29386356 was funny as the sensory deprivation was trimming mouse whiskers! and brain plasticity https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19935836
I want to do the NO sessions normally as others here have done them, and then try them with a float tank in between to see if I notice a difference.
Or I may rather do as many NO sessions as needed until I feel/see less change between pre and post baselines, before I do a float tank sensory deprivation.
I am interested in the float tank experience as it is reported that it is very good for relaxation, anxiety reduction, stress, etc. I am thinking that having my brain alone with itself after a NO session may give it a break, a relaxation period, perhaps especially worthwhile if I am faced with a contraction phase.
Any thoughts?
I completed my first session today. I cant say that I feel in any way different but considering I slept less then 6 h last night I feel pretty energetic and positive.
I was impressed with the proficiency of administrator, she is highly qualified neuroscientist and it is obvious she is very dedicated and passionate about neurofeedback. She took a great length to explain the whole process and the science behind it. She is very much into quantum physics so it was fascinating to listen to her. She works mostly with audio and she explained in great detail why she thinks visual stimulation is inferior to auditory, at the time it made perfect sense but I am afraid i am not able to reproduce nuts and bolts of this theory now.
During the session I was at first irritated with sound stimuli but then I gradually relaxed and was in almost meditative state as these stimuli diminished.
Afterwards she explained the chart and I could clearly this.
She remarked that she rarely ever gets such a good response during the first session and that in these cases all is needed is maximum 4-5 sessions.
My alpha activity suggests that I am slightly "emotionally flat" as she put it and also have tendency to procrastinate - which is very true. On the other hand according to my Theta activity according to her I am blessed with extraordinary creative potential and ability to process information, albeit I am lacking in focus. She also remarked that I am highly intuitive person.
She suggested that we book another 4 sessions for now and then we see how it goes. She said if the training is completed during this time we can continue with guided meditation if I wish.
I was impressed with the proficiency of administrator, she is highly qualified neuroscientist and it is obvious she is very dedicated and passionate about neurofeedback. She took a great length to explain the whole process and the science behind it. She is very much into quantum physics so it was fascinating to listen to her. She works mostly with audio and she explained in great detail why she thinks visual stimulation is inferior to auditory, at the time it made perfect sense but I am afraid i am not able to reproduce nuts and bolts of this theory now.
During the session I was at first irritated with sound stimuli but then I gradually relaxed and was in almost meditative state as these stimuli diminished.
Afterwards she explained the chart and I could clearly this.
She remarked that she rarely ever gets such a good response during the first session and that in these cases all is needed is maximum 4-5 sessions.
My alpha activity suggests that I am slightly "emotionally flat" as she put it and also have tendency to procrastinate - which is very true. On the other hand according to my Theta activity according to her I am blessed with extraordinary creative potential and ability to process information, albeit I am lacking in focus. She also remarked that I am highly intuitive person.
She suggested that we book another 4 sessions for now and then we see how it goes. She said if the training is completed during this time we can continue with guided meditation if I wish.
seek10 said:
Yesterday I asked the lady from whom I rented NeurOptimal device about usefulness of video sessions and she didn't recommend it for adults. She said that it's mostly for children and that it's less effective than audio because "the optical signal is slower and our eyes are more sluggish". Besides due to absence of sound in some scenes there would be missing audio feedback.
Altair said:
That makes sense. Another thing I thought about was that hearing is one of the first senses to come 'online' when waking and one of the last to go when sleeping. It seems to have a quicker response in terms of how we interact with our environment. Although, I am curious to try a video session, since I tend towards learning through seeing more than hearing.
I have completed 8 NO sessions, the first five with baseline measurements and the last three without. I haven't noticed any changes. Sleep habits remained the same. Anxiety levels were the same. My tinnitus hasn't changed.
When I had baseline measurements, the second reading was always lower than the first. I experimented with keeping my eyes open during the whole session or keeping them closed but didn't see a measurable difference to the baseline measurements.
It was an interesting experiment. However I am not seeing a need for more sessions.
I am happy that it seems to help some people and wish them great success.
When I had baseline measurements, the second reading was always lower than the first. I experimented with keeping my eyes open during the whole session or keeping them closed but didn't see a measurable difference to the baseline measurements.
It was an interesting experiment. However I am not seeing a need for more sessions.
I am happy that it seems to help some people and wish them great success.
On the day of my first session I went to the gym first, so my mind was already a little worked out by the time that rolled around. My therapist preferred to use audio since it is less distracting for some people. I heard the clicks periodically, and they would increase when my mind began to wander or become less organized. About two thirds through I actually started gulping spontaneously, but then stopped abruptly. After the first session by baseline divergence went from 19 to 15. I felt immensely calm afterward. The night after I had a somewhat upsetting dream about my mother dying soon, so I needed to speak with her more. It feels like this could be past-life related, since I'm pretty sure I carry some grief over losing my parents during a past life. The day after I drove for the first time in a long time, and althought I was nervous my thinking brain was actually quite suprised at how calm my unconscious mind was, and how little anxiety my conscious mind had to regulate during driving.
The next session (a week later) there were very few clicks in the music, and when I started reading the number increased drastically, although there were times I had to put it down and just close my eyes. I ended with a higher baseline than the one I stated with, which according to the therapist meant that this was more of a clearing session. On the neurofeedback maps it was also apparent my higher brain was less active than before the session (the opposite of the relaxing sessions). My aggression level immediately after and over the next few days was much higher, with me listening to a ton of loud music and exercising more.
I had to wait 2 weeks for my next appointment. This was another relaxing session, with baseline divergence going down from 35ish to 13. My music listening dwindled down to almost nothing for the 48 hour window. For some reason halfway through the session my mind kept drifting to an online argument I was having with someone at the time. I've been feeling a little emotional over the last few days as well. Some emotions I thought I made peace with (or at least tricked into leaving?) came up again; mostly related to inadequacy. I'm not sure if it's related to the NO therapy or if it's due to having won a few hurdles and needing to psych myself up to overcome others. We'll see I guess.
The next session (a week later) there were very few clicks in the music, and when I started reading the number increased drastically, although there were times I had to put it down and just close my eyes. I ended with a higher baseline than the one I stated with, which according to the therapist meant that this was more of a clearing session. On the neurofeedback maps it was also apparent my higher brain was less active than before the session (the opposite of the relaxing sessions). My aggression level immediately after and over the next few days was much higher, with me listening to a ton of loud music and exercising more.
I had to wait 2 weeks for my next appointment. This was another relaxing session, with baseline divergence going down from 35ish to 13. My music listening dwindled down to almost nothing for the 48 hour window. For some reason halfway through the session my mind kept drifting to an online argument I was having with someone at the time. I've been feeling a little emotional over the last few days as well. Some emotions I thought I made peace with (or at least tricked into leaving?) came up again; mostly related to inadequacy. I'm not sure if it's related to the NO therapy or if it's due to having won a few hurdles and needing to psych myself up to overcome others. We'll see I guess.
Corvinus said:
When it comes to damage I think Laura's point was that the session answers given by the C's caution us about the effects of "sensory depravation".
Why would you want to subject yourself to sensory depravation thinking of it as a way to relax or calm yourself when actually you might open yourself to negative influences by shutting down your natural defenses.
The idea that this is just a way to clear yourself or give you a clean slate to evaluate NO results may not be such a good idea if you think about it with an "open mind".
